Players are Leaving Overwatch Forever....

[@Dfm25387]

There's a reason they deleted the game we paid for because they knew we would go back

[@dyltopher]

This is so true, re-defining the sequel to mean killing your only competition, you.

[@skiper7795]

Now if i look back at that its kinda fcking crazy. Is it even legal to do shit like that? They removed a product from 50 milion people that payed for it (sure a lot of those were smurfs with 10 accounts but still).

[@zac-1]

Jeff let the game rot for three years and now this is what you're stuck with lmao

[@firingallcylinders2949]

We went over 2 years with almost no content on hopium for OWII only for there to be no PVE, terrible balancing and we actually aren't even getting that much content right now. We get a new map what every couple months maybe? There's no getting around it OWII exists to sell the shop.

[@BearsDenOneinVain]

FACT BROTHER!!!

[@ChoiceOW]

Blizzard will most likely never go back to 6v6 as if they do that'll just show that Overwatch 2 is a complete failure

[@yesnt8314]

Overwatch classic would become an instant hit

[@firingallcylinders2949]

They can't, it would require admitting a mistake which they never do. If they brought a tank back they'd basically be admitting OWII was pointless and they should've just stayed with the first game.

[@Fantasmafamiglia]

The reaper guy...

[@virtue9846]

Overwatch will die by its pride before admitting 6v6 was objectively the better format

[@Booty9822]

tbh id respect them more for it unironically

[@mattymo841]

During overwatch 1 me and my friends would play every single day missing pretty much 0 days. Literally at school we would just be thinking "Man can I just get this shit over with and go home play overwatch with my boys". Obviously we would have shit games. Loss streaks. Tilt queue sessions and lots of "fuck this game I ain't playing this shit ever again" but next day we all hop back on. As soon as ow2 comes around we just slowly start playing less and less. There was no "I quit" moment we legit just began to not even consider playing the game subconsciously

[@tbagger5211]

Same here it is just not fun even when I win

[@mikecook6553]

Oh so true. Use to be able to play 12 hours nonstop all on loose streaks and not even bat an eye. Now i have to force myself to play for an 1 hour. This game is legit horrible now.

[@cyanpile7874]

I still play everyday, but it's different now. I have multiple Smurf accounts. I get on comp/quick play to troll and throw. I can't have fun playing the game anymore. I only have fun griefing lobbies these days ☺️

[@calcutlass]

Wow so when you were 7 years younger as a person you had enough time to just play a game and not care about wins and losses? Sounds like that's more of a you issue and not the game itself because the game mechanically is exactly the same.

[@jadonsmine1877]

Screw you ​@@cyanpile7874

[@firingallcylinders2949]

Overwatch is the only game that feels like a chore, even when you win a ranked game sometimes it felt like you lost, idk how that's even possible.

[@stazzy5858]

this is how i feel playing ow2. OW1 actually felt rewarding to play

[@spoonsVSforks]

When you win you just feel relieved not good…

[@vyg3313]

Because of modifiers. For example, your team is struggling but somehow you win - you get a expected modifier. You lost few games in a row playing solo vs stacks - you get loss streak and so on. This system is barely working

[@Kootsworth]

The only thing the new ranked system achieved is getting proper feedback after a game. Everything else is a massive downgrade, which says a lot because the previous system was a disgrace. Everything takes longer and generally feels like shit now.

[@TheRealSorav]

League is sometimes like that too

[@ducks8063]

I've played the game since launch as a kid, I officially quit after years of playing.

[@ginpachi1]

I’m too old to have been a kid 8 years ago. 👨🏻‍🦳😂 But, I still play, unfortunately. 😱😅

[@ozman5466]

I feel you. I played it since November 2016 and I quit 3 months ago.

[@ducks8063]

@@mattymo841 yup

[@RedApollo617]

Damn near the same with me been playing since season 2 of OverWatch 1 and I feel like a drug addict when I say I've been 6 months clean of OverWatch and it's done nothing but wonders for my gaming health

[@herhe1864]

I also quit because 5vs5 is just so trash

[@kjbzabrini768]

I just don't get why an overwatch classic is so out of pocket to suggest? Is the 6v6 crowd so huge that 5v5 overwatch would essentially die? If that happened then there's an even bigger case against 5v5 than we think really

[@demigurlxd5781]

If OW1 still existed I would go play it.

[@SamPho]

We got WoW Classic, so getting OW Classic isn't out of the realm of possibility.

[@jerod4036]

They know that if they release 6v6 while 5v5 is still out it's going to split the player base. They would then have to manage 2 games when they are already poorly managing the one. It would greatly increase the cost of running the games and it wouldn't bring in many new players aka it won't make them money. From a business standpoint having 6v6 and 5v5 out at the same times is a bad idea. They will have to choose 6v6 or 5v5 and it is unfortunately looking like 5v5 is here to stay. 5v5 is making gobs of money for blizzard and they probably don't want to risk going back to 6v6.

[@S3nCh4n]

@@jerod4036 they could honestly just add it as an arcade mode and people will be happy enough

[@ghoulbuster1]

​@@jerod4036blizzard got millions of dollars and they can't invest in a decent game lmao

[@axell9130]

6v6 I miss you

[@leatherhidegaming]

Just go 4v4 at this point and remove the tanks entirely.

[@ST4RSCR34M_m3]

Cry about it

[@axell9130]

@@ST4RSCR34M_m3 Jump off blizzards dick lil bro

[@its_lucky2526]

@@ST4RSCR34M_m3waaaaaaa 6v6

[@howled0]

i dont. double shield is cancer

[@KingNicku]

It’s funny how Blizzard doesn’t want to admit they messed up with 5v5 but were fine with taking the L on PVE

[@harryvpn1462]

We got a 6v6 marvel hero shooter before blizzard hinted to bringing back 6v6

[@jadedninny3212]

Shiiiit we got a 6v6 VALVE game announcement

[@incediumignis]

@@jadedninny3212 leaked not announced.

[@jadedninny3212]

@@incediumignis thanks

[@Coolguysup]

Seems like everyone knows 6v6 is better. Even the og team said they tried everything and found 6v6 worked best.

[@bui3415]

Gundam Evolution was 6v6 and it DIED. Everyone was saying OW1 was DEAD when it still had 6v6.

[@DetectivePikachu37347]

6v6 will benefit every role by mostly allowing you to play whatever hero you want unlike 5v5.

[@Damocles450]

6v6 will also cure cancer, give you a foot massage and feed your dog!

[@TSGC16]

​@Damocles450 its true tho. Even in quick play, no matter your rank. You HAVE to play counterswap. Especially as tank

[@Summonick2]

6v6 absolutely did not allow you to play whatever hero you wanted; it was extremely troll in that game; you had an extra person to counter you. Some heroes were actually impossible to play into certain comps. In 5v5 you have significantly more freedom.

[@ziggy2metalx720]

⁠​⁠@@Summonick2who told you that lie. 5v5 is garbage. Overwatch 2 has 40 heroes yet you only see about half at all. Most characters ain’t viable in 5v5

[@ryanolionheart1325]

​@ziggy2metalx720 facts they even made new off tanks while removing off tank role

[@reesyloko5741]

The 5v5 loop we're in 1-They Buff tanks for 5v5 2-Everyone focuses the strongest and most vulnerable member on the team the TANK 3-tank feels terrible 1-they buff tank again...

[@virgil7272]

You forget every 3 buffs to tank 1a) tank is OP either supp/dps feels like shit 2a) supp or dps gets buffed (whichever role didnt have thr most recent passive change) 3a) supp/dps can now focus the tank 4a) proceed to step 1

[@snoogus]

Tanks become unkillable, DPS die statistically more, they buff DPS, healing becomes irrelevant, they buff support again, tank becomes irrelevant again, repeat.

[@atari9477]

@@snoogusoh lawd that’s exactly what it is, sounds like duck duck goose from hell 💀

[@nervkindlen378]

As if the tank buffs are that meaningful lol. Staying alive like 1 second longer while heroes like Bastion/Reaper/Sombra are nerfed when it comes to shredding tanks is not a problem... For neither side.

[@atari9477]

@@nervkindlen378 bros really playing, marvel rivals fr

[@MEGAtuned]

I used to play this game with my little sister. It helped us bond during the pandemic as we both played duo tank and lost every game but had SO MUCH FUN doing so… now we can never do that because tanking now is just too stressful for a game that I just want to chill and have fun.

[@ozman5466]

I saw this video a few days ago. It's exactly why I quit the game 3 months ago. Used to be a tank player, but now I just chill out on Helldivers 2. Less stressful and more fun. IF...IF Team 4 decides to swallow their pride and change the format back to 6v6 or come out with OW Classic, I may reinstall to try it out. As of now, I can't play the hot mess of 5v5 format.

[@Noobish_Camper55]

HD2 saved me from ramming my head in the wall playing OW2. Just waiting on 6v6 fix... gonna be years but one can hope.

[@ozman5466]

@@Noobish_Camper55 probably will be. by then, i may not even care either.

[@mop-kun2381]

it's probably not even up to them devs: "uh hey boss we want to change the game back to 6v6, I need like half a dozen guys and a couple of months to do it" dipshit exec: "would that make me a lot of fucking money right away ?" devs: "No but it would make the game better and in the long run you wou..." dipshit execs: "Ah shush not interested. Go back and make me another Kiriko skin"

[@ozman5466]

@@mop-kun2381 You're probably right. Dipshit executives will never let the format go back to 6v6 because they was instant ROI. Shit management ruined the product.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

I just downloaded the HD2 501st skin mod. Running around as a clone is awesome.

[@Caulk2meBB]

I tried playing tank yesterday. Dude opposite of me insta counter swapped everytime he died. Im done with tank

[@MansterBear]

Yea I don’t play much tank, but when I play with friends I can’t be support so I just do all which gives me dps/tank. It’s got to be the most frustrating online experience. If you go Winston, they instant counter pick on tank and usually a dps goes reaper. If you go queen they’re support instantly goes Ana. It’s crazy that you get not just tank counter swaps but almost always dps and/or support swaps too.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

Not to mention the 20% dps passive. Playing tank right now you just get pounded all game. If the enemy has a hitscan you're basically permanently Discorded all game without Zen even there.

[@masift1494]

Yup, that's how my experience was last time I played. So incredibly boring and cringe

[@Caulk2meBB]

Yeah man as a doom main I legit get 1 fight before everyone counter swaps. Even if I'm not the reason we won the fight b4

[@oldsoulbiz3526]

I play whatever tank I feel like playing at the time. When I start getting hard countered, my teammates ask me to swap. I respond with "Why? To get counter-swapped again?"

[@Accuaro]

Playing OW2 makes me realise that this game has lost most of it's competitive integrity, it's either you demolish the team or get absolutely smashed. That of course is not to mention it feels like tanks can just 1v5 your team or 5v1 to actually kill a tank. So sick of it all..

[@bismuth7730]

I had a vision last night while sleeping. I saw 6v6 Overwatch in late summer. Its coming boys.

[@vape42069]

Boy get off the ayahuasca 😂

[@MetalSam25]

😔🙏

[@ExtremerBG]

amen brother

[@ProvenOW]

Let us pray

[@williamhenderson1739]

😢🙏🏾

[@eventveit4306]

The fact Overwatch STILL can provide enjoyable moments, after multiple years of patches actively reducing the gameplay experience is mind blowing. Shows how incredible the original game idea actually was. Such a shame the devs are so disconnected from the actual community they won’t even acknowledge the complaints.

[@HappyNerd55]

even in double shield, you could kill the tanks if they missplayed

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Exactly! And even then it wasn’t that bad actually I kinda of liked it made you think outside box to try find a way to get passed the enemies defenses what killed it was that stupid bap and brig immortality bullcrap 🤦‍♂️

[@HappyNerd55]

and the amount of times i've been chased by a ball or dva with their insane mobility where i cant even kill them because of their health pool, you're better off just accepting your death instead of trying to kill em, big brain game design

[@kiloknight94]

i remember during the beta or whatever it was or maybe it was the tournament and they had test servers up for people who showed up i heard a a lot of streamers defend the switch to 5v5 and now i don't even think those streamers play OW anymore or not nearly as much anymore

[@fettbub92]

Overwatch 2 is to Overwatch what Halo Infinite is to Halo.

[@TheShaheem123]

Bruh hasnt player Halo infinite. The only halo game by 343 that was actually good

[@fettbub92]

@@TheShaheem123 was shit when I played it

[@bfebenja]

@@fettbub92 Still is, dude is out of his mind on copium.

[@specimenlarry6068]

The game sucks but it is the best 343 game. #RemoveSprint

[@TheShaheem123]

@@fettbub92 customization and the monitary system is still trash. But everything about gameplay is excellent

[@sycom-]

I’m so glad xdefiant and marvel rivals are right around the corner, it’ll be so refreshing to play a game where the devs actually care about their consumers

[@eventveit4306]

I’ve been close to quitting before, but the release of this new patch was the final straw for me. I think I’ve been chasing the memory of the original game for the last 3/4 seasons (at least, probably the majority of Ow2’s lifespan), instead of genuinely enjoying the game. With the current state of the game, and the direction it seems to be headed, I genuinely can’t find a reason to play the game anymore. R.I.P. Overwatch, you will be missed - Avid tank main since Ow1 release

[@aidenmeislitzer7774]

I remember watching this on my own, it’s sad to see the way the game has gone and the balancing has failed

[@MonkeyDLuffy-lp4qz]

The most unfortunate thing is that there's so many content creators that blindly support 5v5 just bc they think "we can't go back" I genuinely think that it people were less divided about it this balance team I think would reverse it

[@stokedgrizzly4975]

Nope fewer of you than them. This KZbin channel and comment section is an echo chamber that makes it feel like you’re the majority, but you’re not.

[@commandoch12i5]

This isn’t an echo chamber. Only a small minority actually wanna take a stand and the rest of the players just bend over and take it. The American Revolution was fought by only 10-15% of the population. Let that sink in.

[@MonkeyDLuffy-lp4qz]

​@@stokedgrizzly4975I feel like you didn't really read my comment. I wasn't talking about how many people were on either side. Just that a lot of people are holding a certain opinion bc they're under the belief that "we can't go back" when we most certainly can

[@absolute-xero7502]

@stokedgrizzly4975 An echo chamber would mean we never hear any points from the outside. So far, all the pro 5v5 arguments have been thoroughly debunked. Even the one somewhat valid queue times argument loses relevance once you bring up October 2020.

[@__Jah__]

I can barely stomach a game I used to play constantly from the beta when I was in High School through my graduation of college I literally only play the game when my friends ask me to, when I used to play ranked anytime I had any free time We should literally just make our own; or pray that valve supposed new hero shooter is good, or pray valve fixes tf2 and I can just go back to playing like I did in middle school Somehow, miraculously, our salvation ends back up in the hands of Gabe Newell

[@absolute-xero7502]

Season 9 is like that Homer meme when he is skinny in the front and flabby in the back held together with pins, boogers and a dying dream. Front Side -New Competitive System Back Side -Health pools increased -Everyone can now auto heal -Larger projectile sizes -Even more role passives

[@MIURA123]

As a GM ow2 tank main who has not once touched 6v6, tanking is a miserable experience more and more each season they try to "buff" the tank role. It doesn't feel rewarding when winning and obviously feels even worse to lose. More and more does it feel like I get punished for punishing another players mistakes

[@LampDoesVideogame]

Never really thought about how Brig killed the OWL. It's completely true. No one wanted to sit through 2 years of Goats and owl died.

[@pewnit]

Many such cases. I'm a silver player and my friends are all silver/gold and we've all either left the game completely or heavily reduced our playtime. In a way I would like to thank Aaron Keller, since I just graduated and spent all day playing Overwatch instead of being an adult. Now I'm doing stuff to actually improve myself. This sounds like a joke, but I'm so deadass, it's not even funny.

[@2-MinuteWarning]

I can't for the life of me understand why they can't offer 5v5 and 6v6 game modes...

[@Cruxis_Angel]

Enough people would go into the 6v6 mode that it would create queue issues for all the modes.

[@Apocalypse754]

Because blizzard knows that 6v6 would generate so many players to play that mode and that tbey would have to admit that 5v5 was inferior

[@mariorizkallah5383]

There would be so much tank synergy now, they should bring back 6v6

[@jordanesquivel7604]

Because that would contradict the only reason of Overwatch 2 whole existence

[@sadasd-n2f]

Everyone would go to 6vs6 and leave 5vs5 like a ghost town

[@Afternoon_Milk]

I hope the development team see these videos and think really hard about the future of the game. 5v5 < 6v6

[@420skubi]

I hate that im on the outside looking in, hoping they make overwatch fun to me again. Luckily, there are great games to play in the meantime, I guess.

[@loganbeach7191]

played daily since launch of overwatch 1. Thousands of hours in overwatch 1. Hurts my heart that they deleted the game and replaced with this shitstain of a game thats really nothing more than a cash grab. 25 bucks for a skin? GTFOUTTAHERE! I uninstalled and refuse to come back. 6v6 might get me to reinstall but honestly the way they raped this game makes me never want to come back.

[@chance2326]

Don’t forget the pve they promised us and the “reason” they wanted to make a second game was because of it(oh wait, they only made it just to make a few extra bucks off the game before it officially dies). They could have done anything else with overwatch to make it better and they did the one thing that made it worse

[@WolfEyes88]

Honestly don’t go back. There are more fun games out there with more care put into them. 😊

[@sycom-]

I remember the days when I could 1v1 literally any tank as tracer, and it was actually a fair fight, I could outplay hog if they were trying to flank, and kill him as tracer, can you imagine trying to do that with hog now, it’s out of the question, it’s so miserable to play kovakks on a giant bullet sponge every game, it’s like when do I get rewarded for my good tracking and skill.

[@Jdog14200]

I love playing tank, but stuff like the DPS passive made me it feel so unfun since I either never die or explode in 2 seconds it's so miserable

[@Anubisonfire]

"BUT QUEUE TIMES!!!" they keep forgetting that the issue with queue times would be resolved with more variety of options to play in a particular role(dps still has the most variety) each time a new tank was introduced there was a noticeable difference in queue times.

[@bui3415]

Yes, the queue times. No one is playing tanks.

[@Anubisonfire]

@bui3415 I literally said why and there is data to back that up. Options to play are very minimal in the tank role. The reason you want variety is to have multiple characters be able to synergize that way a person is not forced to pick a character they do not like to play. Which is the problem with the tank role since OW1. The only reason support is played is due to it being broken in OW2 due to the 1 tank format. Otherwise support queue times were as long as tank at times.

[@ikhalid1418]

never forget blizzard reported less players in one of 2023 quarters than in the last quarter of ow1.

[@SpaceCowBoyRay]

I haven't played ranked in almost a month and now slowly not playing the game as much anymore after 8 years.........BRING BACK 6v6!

[@sinksinksink]

I played this game for 1500 hours. I started in 2017. I loved this game. And as stupid as it sounds, the best way to describe the feeling when thinking about overwatch and what it has become is complete and utter heartbreak. Watching these old clips makes me sick to the stomach. Despite 6v6... There is so much I miss... LFG, Portraits, a levelling system, Rein Zarya with my friend... hell- even fkn 2CP. I haven't really touched this game in months... but watching this all fall apart hurts. Because deep down... i know that it won't get better

[@Falloutx360a]

For content creators it makes sense why they won’t/can’t fully leave (and Overwatch “killers” will never pull it off because the audience won’t all jump over). For regular players, if you really hate the direction the game has gone in there is no need to keep coming back.

[@lawrence9713]

If content creators cannot manage to hold the click count, they maybe have the wrong job

[@MrBreakdownx]

Yea players are slowly leaving. Along with content creators saying there going variety or straight up leaving ow.

[@joshuafruth6420]

Worst thing about overwatch 2 is the player base, you get flamed in metal ranks and quick play for "not playing optimally" on a consistent basis.. the community is toxic af with absolutely no creativity or fluidity of playstyle.. it's play my way or balance my way or this game or team sucks..

[@Ennegro]

I never cared for the 5 v 5 , 6 v 6 conversation but this video changed my perspective. I’m primarily DPS high plat. And I tried Tank and felt like , oh ok… so it’s just my job to take damage for my team and be a sponge. But if I try to take offensive, it’ll leave my team vulnerable. But if I’m too defensive then I take too much resources from support. Welp…. I’ll just play Moira.

[@MarkDavis-pp1kh]

I left when did the health change. It’s insane how bad players are awarded.

[@Aquarius003]

Yesterday, I had enough of this new patch and uninstalled the game. I've played Overwatch since beta as a 12-year-old on PlayStation. I built a PC to play this game. As a ranked player, there's just not enough I can do as a DPS unless I play a hero I don't enjoy. I enjoy playing projectiles but hitscan do that but better. I am a Masters 4 Genji, yet it feels like I can't play the game anymore. I have to wait out 5-6 abilities to even ult as Genji. I also like playing tank, my favorite tanks are Zarya/Sig which are easily countered by abilities Bap/Kiri/LW can easily counter. I played a game that went on for 25 minutes and the most elims out of that game was 14. At least in the old 2CP maps, your elims would at least be 30+ for the same timeframe. Nothing dies, the most fun I have is when only OW1 characters are played. Rein V Rein with OW1 supports feels sooo much better than OW2 heroes.

[@RikanGG]

At this point we need to start rolling the consumer outrage to the point where population is so low that they are forced to bring back 6v6

[@arickhook370]

Tank Duo synergy is peak OW. I always ask the question... when/where was the outcry for the format change? I don't remember any from the community. Just 1 day Blizzard was giving an update on the development of OW2 and background gameplay was 5v5 and the dev team were like "btw as you see, OW2 will be 5v5." Hilarious, cause OW2 was just supposed to be PVE ONLY and the PVP gameplay wasn't supposed to change at all.

[@emilysmite9356]

I personally miss 6v6 because then I felt like I had a chance to play what I wanted. Now all that happens is I get counter picked and my team trash talks me because Im not play optimally I understand why listening to pro players is good when you balance a game, but I also understand that it also can kill the game. Listening to a small minority and changing the game to suit them? It isn't as good as people think

[@DillonMW]

When so many people move to Rivals once it’s done, they will re release a new version of Overwatch that goes back to 6v6

[@JumpsOw]

Man I wasn't expecting to see you react to Sprixy, but, I'm glad you did.

[@roostergaming3523]

Yeah the immortality,over tuned supports & double shield wasn't addressed but OW1 dev team stayed true to a core gameplay balance fundamental that was = skills worked the same against every hero

[@SpineBreakerZ]

The only argument I give for 6v6 is that I don't have fun playing 5v5. Ad a tank I either roll or get rolled. If there's a match going back and forth it's the worst, just who can counterswap faster.

[@SuicidalSheep]

Overwatch 2 is what the Netflix adaptation of the Witcher is to the books. Let that sink in.

[@MetalSam25]

Oof

[@emma6648]

The Witcher sucks in general

[@shyco321utube]

Yep i stopped playing almost daily last year and haven't had the urge to play, it's impossible to keep caring when it's not fun anymore.

[@erikrulez17]

just sucks knowing what I originally paid for will never come back, and there's not a damn thing anyone else can do about it..

[@bui3415]

What? Torb armor packs? No role queue? Bastion shield? Hanzo scatter?

[@technolibra]

you are my fucking spirit animal dude. i came across your channel thinking i was the only one who wanted the old format back and i found a home now lol

[@OneTrickRipper]

I miss 6v6 as well. I feel like I gave 5v5 a fair shot and it fell embarrassingly short, even with my low expectations. I really miss the tank synergy that OW1 had.

[@StrafeY]

I have quit as of today, I will return only for 6v6, I just cannot fathom how much happier I’ve been by not playing the game. I took a break for a week and it was the happiest I had been with gaming, it sucks but 6v6 is, and was so much better that it’s not even funny how delusional blizzard is rn

[@Doomed2Fail]

the thing i hate as solo tank is if im playing my doom and i'm a dive hero. how do i go in get a good pick and jump back without getting hit with any cc in the game as a giant man flies around. the one thing i cant stand is when i face a sombra and they run around holding right click and waiting for me to pop up. or a ana holding dart till i hard engage for a dive with my team. or a cass waiting for me to leap in only to get hindered and insta killed. its really hard to bait abilties when they get like 500x more value by spamming it on the tank and holding it till they do someting. its hard to play dive without a full dive comp in ow2 compared to ow1. my personal opinon tho

[@Raxus001]

I was a 5v5 supporter, but I am now against it fully. 6v6 is balance-able

[@mistersir4180]

I understand going back to 6v6 is admitting OW2 is a failure however at this point ITS ALREADY FAILING !!!!!!

[@bui3415]

It failed what it was going to deliver. PVE. That was cancelled already. The game however is doing fine. Idk where Samito is getting his statistics but its actually been growing.

[@jonathankigozi3373]

OW question, I also feel like 6v6 would help and reduce the need for the DPS passive. My question is, would the DPS passive be better or worse if rather than doing a healing reduction on targets, it did a small life steal? Reaper and Mirror watch tracer showed life steal can be good but not broken

[@jonathankigozi3373]

To go on, tanks should still receive a general cc reduction and if anything the healing reduction should apply to supports only when targeted since they can easily self heal

[@dragonmasterknight0231]

There was a game on Hollywood 3rd point where I felt the need to solo ult a hog that had 30% health, and I knew he would just heal and get out. Then I get flamed by 3 on the enemy team for solo death blossoming a low hog and still lose with a throwing mercy. Hog should not out heal reaper damage point blank as he does now.

[@meduza93]

I love how much needs to be changed via balance patches in OW2 just to come up with the same problems. Each patch we are one patch closer to them accepting the fact that 5v5 is always gonna feel shit.

[@yacooss2058]

Im a 900hr ball main with like 2000hrs in the game. I uninstalled yesterday. I saw a reddit post the other day asking how ball mains feel about the rework/buffs. My comment was something to the effect of " i play the hero want until i win a fight and then i get countered into playing a hero i dont want to"

[@eddieryan7246]

I'm one of those leaving players, Rein main (although i haven't been able to play rein in diamond for multiple seasons now.) I play with my friends for fun and now that quickplay is also just as bad as ranked I'm just finished. 6v6 is the only way I'd come back cos I miss making plays with my tank buddy

[@Ogre32890]

It's not that double shield would never be played. I think there's a good chance it would be. Especially with a tank like Sigma there. The difference is without heroes like Brig and Bap it would be punishable with dive.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Exactly

[@FatHeadDave]

I played comp yesterday (low plat) It was brain dead Maugas just stood still shooting at each other Heals spammed hard denying any kills No teamwork

[@mistersir4180]

It’s like when Sam says the first thing bad players need to admit to themselves is ADMIT YOU ARE A BAD PLAYER. Blizzard needs to admit Overwatch is a bad game now

[@davidlugo7889]

I do thank you for being the voice for us, it really is a problem and I hope you don’t stop until they do something

[@matthewbrears2129]

“Tanking feels awful, so to fix it, we’ll make everything feel awful”

[@lavy3439]

Thousands of hours, consistent GM player since OW1, quit the game in OW2 szn 8 because blizzard has destroyed all I loved.

[@AngelBloxx899]

I left in April. I stopped playing in February. Game stopped being... Overwatch

[@DynamicJon]

also right now it really feels like if your tank is having an off game, its almost a guaranteed loss versus when there was two tanks you could balance out a bad tank with a decent or good tank - its just way more pressure on tank these days since its just one and its not enoyable

[@GrantYahReacts]

Nah bruh as a Master Player on Ow1 and Diamond on ow2 5v5 been Hell to me since 5 months

[@zander2180]

Why is 6v6 not in the arcade??

[@wonderofu1603]

I left this season too, i didnt even finish the bp i bought with leftover coins. This game became too frustrating to play, i cant play ONE game without feeling annoyed. feel much better when im not playing it

[@unknownerror5926]

For me its simply the enjoyment of chatting with a team, getting them to work together to get a massive W. That is gone.. If you type or say anything at all you get suspended for chat. I dont curse, I keep chat to PG. I have had an account suspended for "please dps stop being bad." As a typed comment with some satire. Ive been playing online games for 20 years, and never have had any issue with any game chat until now with the Overwatch report system abuse. On the balance issue, the team made Mercy, the easiest hero in the game, a MUST HAVE HERO to get a win because she was so over powered. They are idiots.

[@infinitybro2277]

I used to play insane hours into the night on loss streaks still having fun when support was "broken" but it was fun. Now it's so miserable to play support so I don't even play as much any more cause support was so unique to a shooter game... it hooked me. Now i just que in the DPS role since that is the new "quarterback" role. It gets boring quick. I'm high diamond low masters.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Yup even when I lost back then I still had fun!

[@nev5817]

6v6 was fun, challenging and a team play game that allowed people to play any way they really wanted and still find a way to make it work. 5v5 is just... tiring and its sad that people dont feel like they're having fun anymore (myself included) since its literally counterwatch. Hope they change it back and take away the passives completely, and you know what bring 2cp back too fuck it

[@CesarCaballero-ui8tp]

unrelated question probably but… why tf do we have 3 rank icons?? We have a different one when u rank up , a different one when u go check where the legend is and a different one in the career profile which I think is the worst one out of all of them.. it just makes it so confusing

[@virgil7272]

The 5v5 defenders will never admit it because the 5v5 content creators do not want to risk harming their relationship with Blizz. Their fans will not admit it bcuz then theyll have to admit they listen to essentially Blizzard shills and its "not cool" to be a fan of a shill

[@emmanuelperez5741]

I can't tell u how many times I've felt like crap, like I just don't know what to do. So many times where the sec I get near the obj I just get targeted by everyone and get forced out from doing anything. Where I hit and hit and hit enemies and just feel like I'm only feeding support ults. It's so weird to be in a place where everyone unilaterally says tanks explode but also nobody dies. It's just such a weird thing to be on both ends of the spectrum ( ´_ゝ`)

[@silverpro8356]

I left just recently. DPS have become too strong with the hitbox buff and the dps passive. Also blizzard admitted to helping bad players climb up the ladder at the expense of good players so i'm out. Match maker is garbage.

[@ThePaulGomes]

I played tank only for a week in overwatch 2 and I have retired playing that role altogether coz it’s just not fun. In my opinion, with the exception of double shields 6v6 is a far better format

[@mad_samster]

I really do miss having that second tank. I liked occasionally choosing a different tank to be more cohesive with either the other tank or the team as a whole. Otherwise, I was able to do fine and have fun just playing Dva every game. If they brought back 6v6, I am pretty certain I would play a whole lot more than I currently do, which is not much at the moment.

[@MofoMan2000]

I went into OW2 5v5 with an open mind. Within six months, I had stopped queuing tank entirely and hated 5v5. I'm glad a lot of other people have hopped on this train too.

[@bui3415]

Mercy avatar lol

[@toxic_icecream]

In 5v5 Tank has to be able to sustain damage from 5 players (one of whom is the same op tank) and be killable by 4 non-tank players at the same time. How is it easier to balance?

[@enchandted-ps5226]

I know this just dropped and I haven't watched it yet, but I have been a player since the 2015 beta, peaked top 1 on support with Lúcio, so I got some experience. I just can't play the game anymore, it's been my main game for almost a decade but I can't go on when it's clearly deteriorating. It's always ''WE'RE SO BACK'' and ''IT'S SO OVER'' every season and mid season patch, and I'm tired. I want consistency, but I don't know why ow2 it's so weirdly good and bad at the same time. I prefer peak 6v6 over peak 5v5, but man 5v5 isn't easier to balance than 6v6 anymore. We've had 2 years to get a grip and understand everything from the ow2 experience, and it is tragic that activision and microsoft keeps doing layoffs so the new devs can't settle in before everyone gets kicked out again. I hate the executives man, ruined all hope we had for the game, current devs are trying so hard to fix it alone, but the executives just can't stop screwing everything up for profit. Hopefully they can magically fix everything over time... I love overwatch

[@vape42069]

I mean, it’s really not that hard to listen to a community and use that feedback to improve the game. Stop making excuses for these shit devs lol Its really not that hard to go back to 6v6 and get rid of shit like immos, cc, etc. They have no excuses anymore. The main problem with these devs is that it’s clear they do not play their own game or understand it. I understand employee turnover is a thing but at this point, they’ve had 10 seasons to do SOMETHING right and they are unable to. They are incompetent.

[@Chazza-01]

Can't blame the executives for everything about OW2. They are the reason for the monetisation, they couldn't care about the balance and formatting and whatnot. The devs have failed, they never understand what makes the game good or bad. The patches have become small and stupid. They bunker down in this 5v5 grave, change stuff that was never an issue in the previous game and add new things that were not needed in the previous game. The OW1 devs didn't understand how to balance either, and they are the reason we are here. Not understanding how to change Brig, Bap, Orisa, Sigma when they have some relatively simple changes you could do to fix them. (Bap immo lasts 1 second, so you have to time it. Orisa, headshot during fortify. Sigma, remove his grasp shield. And Brig I would have to think into). They also never understand why certain metas happened. (Double Shield because of Sustain abilities and high burst healing. And GOATS because of Brig's inspire. But no, they just see "it is called double shield so the shield MUST BE the problem" or "It has 3 tanks 3 supports so we have to FORCE 2-2-2" (which imo the role lock was a good change on a whole, but they could have also addressed the Brig situation too"

[@SnakeSkinz]

5v5 format isnt an executive issue. And people need to stop using executives as a crutch for shit decision making by the devs. Bobby Kotick is gone. The format and balancing issues was never a corporate thing to begin with. That was F2P model and monetization. Balance and format is solely on the devs

[@matoiyomi_0104]

It's crazy how when my buddy and I log in we go to open queue and we default to 2 Tank 1 DPS 2 Supports and the game felt a lot more fun with out combos and playstyle.

[@quad131215]

i stopped playing yesterday and not planning to return soon after getting a 10 minute ban for leaving 2 quickplay games within 1 month.

[@iminumst7827]

"I think that was really on the money to be honest with you" The guy was obviously a viewer and referenced your viewpoint multiple times.

[@neilmallick20]

yeah he repeated samitos points way too verbatim.

[@toons4934]

As a 6v6 pro player, your right, this guy just mimimicked samito. Which is lame but if more and more people did it. We might get 6v6 back but yea this guy was a samito pole rider, you right

[@VenomOnPC]

I always said since day dot, devoid of any 5v5 versus 6v6 big wig debates, the removal of player borders and the on fire system and medal system and even the little number that popped up next to an elimination on the HUD is borderline braindead decision making. Throw in private profiles and even fucking ranks not being shown in competitive, and you can really begin to question what was actually added to OW2 to make it a different game let alone a better one. Especially when considering how much was lost in the transition. All those cultural OW things that were staple to the game's signature that made it iconic got GUTTED for a fucking half baked battlepass and item ship ripped straight from Fortnite but implemented far more unfairly and shoddy.

[@gasch75cards4]

6v6 Marvel Rivals I am coming. I will take a long brake from ow to regenerate my mind

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Rivals can’t come fast enough and thank god it’s 6v6

[@GDKiba]

I love it when people say DPS has more agency in 5v5 when there were 6 killable targets in 6v6 and only 4 now in 5v5 💔

[@faxsnacks]

Hot take maybe another reason they took out 6v6 besides the obivous once you guys mentioned is that there are griefers and throwers in the game as well? I just thought having one tank gives accountability to the tank and if that said tank throws then we report?

[@dolanpls3330]

I used to play Orisa all the time, my favorite character in the game. Chill on the front and push the points while the off tank caused distractions. It was awesome, but I just can't play tank in OW2 because the game has just become "how fast can you focus down the singular tank and then roll over the other team?"

[@nikolasweischner3560]

Tank is my favorite role and it was unfun due to balance in ow1 and it's not fun now because of balance either lol. Just can't get it right. I seriously don't play tank anymore and commend BOTH tanks in the game unless one is toxic. God bless people who can still stand that role.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

It's actually kind of crazy how almost all the tanks are mid right now. Not sure how they even succeeded at that but I was just looking at the roster in a game yesterday and was like wait none of these tanks are that good right now wtf did Blizzard do lol

[@nikolasweischner3560]

@@firingallcylinders2949 To me they just don't look fun either

[@waluigitheprophet4406]

15:37 Coach Mills getting bodied

[@hartyewh1]

I'd say that 5v5 vs 6v6 doesn't matter. Both can be made work, but they are vastly different games to balance and rework the characters and maps for. It was a mistake to try and fix queue times and double shield with 5v5, but now that we are here it's more work to go back then to fix 5v5.

[@matthewbrears2129]

“Least impactful role in the game” THANK YOU. if your DPS are better than their DPS, you have a great day as tank because you just walk forwards while their tank gets blown up. I don’t have to do anything else, and the other tank CAN’T do anything about it