My honest reaction to the Guilty Gear Strive patch.

[@H1_R3Z]

Probably my favorite part of this patch is everybody going in to read the notes, already knowing that reversals can't be rc'd anymore, and then they get to Baiken and realize that arcsys was talking about her too. Nothing against Baiken, personally; it's just funny seeing all the reactions to her getting shot as collateral damage.

[@Kismitane]

We baiken mains are actually being abused over here they're taking her other arm next patch

[@tire_iron488]

​@@Kismitane "punished for years of perpetual downplaying"

[@Kismitane]

@@tire_iron488 let us combo and stop taking everything away from us and we'll stop

[@tire_iron488]

@@Kismitane baiken has literally been a solid character for almost all of guilty gear dude SHUSH

[@j.l4429]

Did they also remove red rc after hitting the parry ?

[@Voicelet]

All characters I play don't have meterless DP, so I see this as a win.

[@Hamdanwun]

Same

[@BibsRedBlood]

Same

[@aviebadgal]

That dp nerf isn't just a nerf... it is definitely a buff in some cases

[@krnprsd498]

@@aviebadgal If you mean a buff to characters who don't have DPs, then yeah. Otherwise, no it is a straight up nerf. You might feel it's a buff because DPs are now throw-invuln. However, because of the removal of DPRC, there is no reason to throw if you're predicting a DP. Just block and get your optimal CH combo.

[@aviebadgal]

@@krnprsd498 no, that's the issue, you are forced into one option only meaning that you have to respect dp more overall, and since throws are a less likely option for your opponent due to dp being throw invul it means wake up throw is a better option for characters with a meterless dp

[@salihninja]

If i block a dp i want my opponent to suffer for it thanks arcsys.

[@NotFunnyJohnny]

2:10 This is kind of a bad take, what about the other half of the roster that never even had a dp? I might be a bit biased as I play Johnny, but it seems a bit outlandish to act like “these characters should be able to escape pressure this way” when the members of the cast with no dp are just screwed. I feel like this change was made to make it a bit more fair between them, using a dp should be very risky, it was dumb to just suddenly go on offense after you get hkd’d

[@jamfingers55]

Yeah. DP RC just letting my opponent have a "get out of jail free card" against my pressure (or even steal it from me) felt so BS

[@ShadowNinjaMaster93]

Agreed. Literally just use your DPs like you would if you didn't have meter and you'll all be fine.

[@guava9343]

True, I can understand his point though as he primarily plays sin and ky, and no one likes their character to be nerfed, but dprc gone is 100% a massive W for the game

[@jxrage9134]

only problem is some characters actually need that get out of jail card to be viable (chipp) so they have atleast one extra chance to play the game. But i agree characters like sol obviously shouldnt have that but you got to keep in mind this nerf doesn't affect all the dp characters equally. chipp with no dp rc is dead off the first knockdown. The damage in this game just keeps getting higher and a bunch of buffed characters now get knockdowns off anything (pot, axl, etc) its absurd. Atleast sol gets damage and combo route buffs as compensation, chipp gets literally nothing but hard nerfs by all the universal changes and system mechanic nerfs, no dp rc, less burst recovery, red wild assault nerf, and other characters do more damage and get more knockdowns. His defense, offense and survivability got nerfed all at once bro is in shambles. chipp vs pot is pretty much unplayable now. Also obviously not every character should have a dp? they would have other tools in their kit instead, thats a pretty weird take. Thats like fireballs getting nerfed on every character drastically and then saying its fine cause not everyone has it?? Your kinda acting as if every character with a dp rc was top tier and every character without it was at the bottom which simply isnt the case. every character having different options and strengths is kinda the whole point 💀. You cant just take away multiple characters best strength that they need to rely on, give them nothing in return and then buff the rest of the casts strengths to extreme amounts. especially when alot of the characters whos strength got taken were around the same tier as the characters who got buffed yet they got nerfed instead. This patch is over correction to the extreme. Saying "that character can do this and mine cant therefore its unfair" is a pretty bad arguent when there obviosly a bunch of stuff ur character can do that theres cant too. Balancing shouldn't be removing characters options, it should be BALANCING their options to be equal to everyone elses. This patch aint do any of that.

[@ВолодимирТаран-ы8н]

@@jxrage9134 every character with dp rc was at least high tier (yes Chipp too) so yeah...

[@andreadicastro8525]

You are always great kizzie buy these takes are not it, dp rc are a fucking bane for the health of the game, its a get out of jail free card that makes some matchups impossible ans even gives some 50/50s off it, like it helped Sin dont get me wrong, but saying its the only defense against some mixups its insane because 75% of the roster doesnt have meterless reversals, and we just fucking block and abari like normal people

[@Bruh-bi6yi]

I don't get how nerfing DP RC dmg would've been enough at all since a part of the issue is the fact that not only do they get to stay safe, but also mix you afterwards. You're committing to a f1 invul move, if it's blocked you should absolutely explode, there's no question about it. The defensive situations were so much more skewed in DP chara MUs, that shit was not alright.

[@lojika1majik]

? They did nerf that my guy..? What the fuck you talking about,

[@Bruh-bi6yi]

​@@lojika1majik Acting hostile while exposing the fact that you didn't even watch the video, this is a little embarrassing. My comment is a response to a point Kizzie was making in the video.

[@lojika1majik]

@@Bruh-bi6yi ah, my b. Didn’t understand that from the comment. However, I would like to point out that you could backdash the DP. Still get the full punish too. No real difference outside of distance, y’know?

[@Bruh-bi6yi]

@@lojika1majik the counter play is way riskier than just blocking and it makes doing stagger pressure way scarier knowing you could just die for leaving a 1 frame gap. everybody knows the counter play, throws and what-not, it was broken anyway.

[@YnnY_1]

As a Bedman main, I see this as an absolute something.

[@vernaltear]

An absolutely gigantic win, you have no clue just how much we’re eating this patch

[@StringKiller]

Sol combos now are nuts, he can consistently loop at least 2 HVVs even if the wall is already damaged.

[@proph6022]

I think your take on dp rc is clearly biased due to playing characters with dps lmfao, i dont really get how you talk about how unplayable stuff will be without dp rc when half the cast has had to play like that since day 1

[@Pherna_1]

Removing DP > RC will absolutely not make the game more snowbally.

[@baka_telas4266]

My boy kizzie is biased af

[@fadetoblackened4407]

"potemkin is top 5"

[@zacharyjennings7675]

This has been known

[@arobin3266]

Sin/Ky main calling the dp rc change "by far the worst change"... interesting

[@Butterfree_hater]

Dp rc was broken. Combined with wild assault, you could take back entire games on defense with it because on hit, you'd sideswap into hkd wallbreak with positive bonus, and on block leo and bridget straight up got real mix. The game is better like this, dp characters now have to learn how to defend (coming from a leo player)

[@lagc5103]

how can you "just do white wild assault again" if its -3 and invuln doesnt start until frame 9. you have 12 frames of advantage how are you getting hit by the second one just mash

[@GrzegorzSobkowicz]

Does he think that you can cancel into another move from WWA? WWA thing is that it's the only one that doesn't do that.

[@raekwonchambers2297]

I think he said that knowing WWA used to guard crush so if anyone got any ideas to press anything it would be tough but idk I don’t play characters w WWA

[@webbacon7106]

Oh my gosh, you can't get a free combo off of an invincible reversal? You can no longer make your invincible reversal plus?? Wow! Hey welcome to every other fighting game franchise to exist.

[@saltyluigi4011]

usf4 and guilty gear +r watching

[@deathbringer9893]

​@@saltyluigi4011and blazblue(hell ragna uses dp to get a instant crossup)

[@lojika1majik]

Fatal Fury also has plus invincible DP’.

[@webbacon7106]

@@lojika1majik why do you think the new one doesn't lol

[@lojika1majik]

@@webbacon7106 still did. Lol

[@Lolwe31]

I think the problem with DPRC wasnt the combo u can do after hit but rather making it plus on block. I mean everybody has been in a position where they block a dp from a sol only for him to rc it and it leads to close slash pressure.

[@boredomkiller99]

I got out so much with Ky's DP RC especially since it hits both sides so you are going get hit or block and I am gonna get out for 50/50 meter and take my turn

[@devの]

i feel like overall strive is going in the right direction but it’s taking a hell of a long time to get there. every patch feels like a step back and a step forward idk what’s going on anymore😂

[@phillatt6277]

In a world where not all characters have DP the fact it could be RC'd after is too much advantage, I see it as a good change persoanlly

[@boredomkiller99]

Yeah meterless reversals are rare so being able to RC was so dumb especially in a game were most characters can't continuously get safe jumps

[@M2JoyBoy]

2:08 also terrible take you should be punished if they guess right and shimmy your wake up dp or if they guessed right and intentionally start blocking in the holes in your pressure to bait your dp since you keep dping in pressure just like every other fighting game. Removing the get out of jail free card into free pressure shouldn't be in the game, it encourages more strategic thoughtful use of dp. Honestly that has always been my number 1 least favorite mechanic of Strive and now it's gone BLESS. This patch is just learn how to shimmy, jump bait, or safe jump. If the opponent keeps baiting your dps "Oh noooooooo I have to think this is awful."

[@texasred8424]

this patch sums up a lot of what frustrates me about strive, they did a LOT of good things in this patch but also buffed sol again

[@666slateran666]

Sol has been nerfed since season 1. Why not give him some utility back?

[@texasred8424]

@@666slateran666 because he's top 3 dude

[@666slateran666]

@@texasred8424 Japan loves making their protags strong. Look at Luke

[@andrueis]

For some reason sol is like the one top toer that is always fun to fight imo

[@ngdome7583]

@@666slateran666 Luke is out of Top 5 tho

[@mcbill7352]

JOHNNY BROS WE ARE BACK

[@SinKiskeGGST]

Sin got nerfed the most this patch. Can't even Kara out of hawkbaker that's vile.

[@BrotherShaw]

He had it coming

[@eebbaa5560]

@@BrotherShawyeah bro he had it coming after finally getting to be good in this game for a season

[@TheeFungUsAmongUs]

Yes and no. Let's be honest, hawk>kara rtl was crazy, besides that hawk kara actually isnt used in many combos unless youre trying to be optimal. Beak and elk kara are still very strong options, combos involving hawk still work, he still has plenty to work with.

[@MagickjellyMC]

Good

[@timaragon]

Imagine saying this when Baiken got no buffs, was in a worse spot as a character and now can't even PRC parry. She can STILL get thrown unlike other reversals and the parry isn't even that threatening cause of the reduced damage.

[@thepunisherxxx6804]

Its crazy how they make these sweeping core changes to system mechanics. It doesn't feel like they had a solid vision of the game on launch, and are just chasing trends and throwing everything at the wall. SF6 you can tell its exactly the experience the devs designed, they understand it, and make changes that the community agrees with because they are the correct changes to balance the game. Don't get me wrong I LOVE Guilty Gear, its very fun and that's the most important thing, but I wish they were more in sync with the meta, how the game is played, and understood what these changes do because it doesn't seem like these were what the game needed or what the community wanted for the most part...

[@Jack_Horner_is_a_hero]

For real why aren't people talking about this more?

[@shadowthehedgehog5319]

potemkin won't be good you are crazy, please take your meds*sharply inhales glue *

[@Faceless_one_]

Bedman main: this is definitely a patch of patches.

[@art1637]

aye, followups can still happen after white wild assault

[@BeenNoticing]

I don't think no DP RC has ruined Strive completely(Sin players may disagree) however I think the DP RC should have been nerfed but not removed. Guilty Gear's RC system has always been about the creativity and flexibility to cancel *anything* and it seems a bit odd to be like "cancel anything, except *that* situation." Make DP RC function similar to Burst with exaggerated push back/knock back after a few hits(it could even be auto combo like an Charged Dust finisher) so that it remains as tactical option, but not a guranteed high damage conversion. With Bridget I had a 4 DP wall break combo that was obnoxious and excessive... but fun as shit. I would be OK with not being able to do that, but still be able to RC for bait/escape or a simple 1 or 2 hit conversion(Roger Dive or air Dust attack for example) that simply resets both players to neutral.

[@mrblooper1994]

In Xrd the game actively shames you for trying to RC a blocked DP with the red X of shame. I think they at least want that back, i think getting a successful dp should just reset to neutral not puts you in a situation where you're doing oki now which means i like this change (damage isnt the issue, getting a turn is) i think this is to encourage a more confident play on Oki

[@desperado3347]

1:18 its not frame 1 invul kizzie, thats a 12 frame gap right there just to in the best case scenario get a low damage hkd, wwa on block is dead, its purely useful for on hit situations now

[@zex6019]

DP’s becoming throw invuln is the only change im not excited about. When you play Faust getting snip as a reward for calling out a DP was infinitely more valuable than doing a combo. I think most if not all characters would of taken a combo over throwing so it feels like it only hurts characters like Faust or pot that would rather get a command throw then do a mediocre combo after a punish

[@jacobrodriguez3712]

You can grab after blocking their dp no?

[@deddrz2549]

The tech will literally just be blocking the dp then punishing with snip or maybe charged dust. It's still hit or throw, throw is just reserved to people tryna block. I mean, even as I am a Faust player, I wouldn't try to snip a sol player that much on wakeup as they learn pretty quick how to deal with it.

[@webbacon7106]

What? If you block a DP, you can do whatever you want. Just block the DP then go for snip. Pot players are fine. Block then command grab or go for a big combo.

[@ShadowNinjaMaster93]

throw invul just means the times when you can't meaty their wakeup they will also not be able to be thrown. You can still punish the DP as long as you weren't oki-ing them with it meaty.

[@pairofrooks]

Yes, and as a Ky it's why I'm thrilled. I'll trade DP os for the ability to ignore strike throw whenever I want. Get recked vampire clan. 🎉

[@LS95774]

I saw the changes a couple days ago and had a feeling Mr. Kizztopher Kizzington Kay would have a few words on the murder of Sin

[@indigoknock3261]

As a smooth brain anji bro since day 1 that already struggled against pot and test I’ve been hurting the past couple days. Re-learning this patch is pain. Just let me fight more slayers instead. At least then I could be like damn…slayer doing slayer things it’s all good. I never learned the Johnny match up but this feels really like it’s even harder now.

[@rondomartin7786]

The DP RC change makes me think they want Strive to be more like Street Fighter. We'll see how it plays out, but maybe it's not so bad in practice.

[@azizkash286]

I come from traditional fighting games and the idea of a reversal being safe is mind boggling.

[@spiritrouge645]

@@azizkash286i agree that shit was brainless😭

[@rondomartin7786]

@@azizkash286 invincible, safe, can combo into huge damage so the aggressor has to play extra passive if the opponent has meter.

[@VeggieBakin1]

But this isn't street fighter.

[@astilla4729]

No game should have a reversal dp that is safe on block or on whiff, at least for free

[@Too2Cold]

So damn happy dp Roman cancel WAS TOO STRONG in this game WAY OVERDUE yes you can say it was a skill issue but my characters never had a dps meterless. Millia eating 😊

[@pian-0g445]

Honestly, as a DP main, I think this is a very good patch. Yes I miss doing dp rc, but I always knew it was cheap, especially when the opponents doesn’t have it. And the trade for throw invul is good for both sides. Good for me cause I can just do throws, but good for opponent as they can get greater punish for dp if read. Baiken is really the only one who is just bad now, but I’m hoping this is a case of this being the patch before the next big one (which I hope adds new moves to some characters). Sin got nerfed as well, but it’s too early on to say how much worse he is (but is worse). Don’t play him, so im guessing this will just remove one ‘cheap’ bit about him, and not too much impact… I think

[@UnKnownDeGen]

Listen, as a Zato/Bedman co-main. I see this as a win.

[@Flashlegz]

I like the DP change, but I am biased because I don't play chars with a DP, also don't like DPs being combo starters.

[@Christian_Crab]

I saw the thumbnail and got so excited that they removed gio's guard crush move, i was sorely dissapointed lol

[@Snoozy570]

Gio still has guard crush bro

[@Snoozy570]

Which is good

[@heracrossz7701]

If they removed the guard crush they probably would give her back HKD on 214k and the guard crush would still be really plus but I guess you will be able to yrc.

[@Jack_Horner_is_a_hero]

People being salty about DP RC despite it being a thing in Guilty Gear games for a long time lmao Edit: Basically just because your main you CHOSE didn't have a DP doesn't mean you should drag down other players who had DP to your level, just sayin

[@swagtasticpanda]

holy shit this game is never beating the "I want to be SFV" allegations.

[@Jarrych83]

Johnny definitely struggles to get in, but depending on the matchup, that could swing a lot on how effective he is. These changes give him much quicker forward to back dashing and his changes to normals and finer mean he doesn't have to be right on top of you to get a solid combo started. It actually makes him effective and quite slippery, though still high risk. And yeah, the Testament stuff isn't OP, but it means the gameplan is a lot more effective. Actual range management and teleports into continued pressure actually works. Also, don't get thrown. Testament gets easy safe jumps and safe oki pressure after throw now.

[@aidanyork1018]

If y'all needed a guaranteed safe wake up for free to play defense then you never should have had it. Edit: 50 meter ain't nothing it's basically free

[@jxrage9134]

wish chipp got some compensation buffs. The system mechanic nerfs for dp and wild assault hurt atrociously for a character that cant risk one mistake. plus with all the other characters getting buffed hes running out of good matchups, bro got power crept.

[@the_bunty]

I main Sin and honestly I love these changes. I'm a relatively new player and this is my first fighting game but it was so annoying baiting a reversal, being right, and then getting mixed and punished for guessing wrong. I SHOULD be rewarded for making the right predictions, not just made to guess again. This and the WA assault changes have made my enjoyment of the game skyrocket.

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

They assassinated my boi!! 😭😭😭 Guess he really had too many *_Sins_* to live...

[@norinori6414]

The sin follow up nerfs and baiken nerf feel like mistakes

[@666slateran666]

Honestly havent been playing enough to realize DP RC was such a thing. Guess i gotta dip my toes back in with the Pot Buffs

[@just_smilez]

Lot of players had been complaining about it, because it essentially meant that as long as a DP char had 50 meter, they could, without taking on any risk, get out of pressure and start running their own. A side effect of this change is that we're probably going to see more of characters like Happy Chaos, as DP RC was one of the ways to deal with those very long pressure sequences. The pot buffs are nice. I'm expecting the min scaling buff to heavenly to get shot, though.

[@666slateran666]

@@just_smilez not more happy chaos please I beg you arcsys! Jack-O/Gio player winning Evo was hype

[@dariuszupan8145]

I like how people mad about dp rrc changes as if getting wallbreaked cause the funny gear pressed the my turn button in the middle of your blockstring is fair. Like shut your ass up cuh. Now you gotta actually take a risk with your frame 1 invul move instead of doing it and getting a full combo/a 50/50. Womp fuckin Womp.

[@ryans6016]

I’m really hoping the Sin nerf was unintentional. I don’t play him but he got done dirty.

[@Jack_Horner_is_a_hero]

Same with Baiken. Parry is useless now with too much risk for not enough reward

[@konebany7317]

Meanwhile, Millia go back to season 2...

[@Duskia]

I'm really disliking strive's philosophy of making such sweeping changes to mechanics you got used to for 3 seasons straight. Oh, you labbed how to burst at the right time ? Well guess what it's fullscreen now, and we also changed how gold burst works entirely for some reason. You trained wake up timing to throw dps or got used to do 236[D] to break the wall ? Well too bad for you , you just wasted your time ! The fact that they change the characters is expected with any patch in any games, but please stop fondamentally changing the game from one version to another asw

[@ardidsonriente2223]

Doesn't wild assault cost resources? Am I missing something here?

[@sicklysweetdenouement]

Us pot players are sniffing higher and higher grades of glue.

[@MrAllastor21]

I can finally go back to playing Pot and Anji

[@ban4nazz315]

I’m happy that you can’t Roman cancel DP anymore, it means that characters with them actually gotta play smart and use them cautiously…Y’know, as a DP should be used, unlike before where as long as you had tension you could throw it out for free in wake up. Even as a Potemkin main I actually don’t mind the removal of the no guard crush effect on white wild assault. It means I can’t just throw it out in my block strings and my pressure over all, meaning I gotta play smart again lol. I’ll tell you who didn’t deserve the patch though? Baiken. Poor, Poor, Baiken. Her parry was already a pretty hard move to work with so the fact it can’t be rc’d now means to me that it’s gonna be useless for awhile unless you’re a hard reading god.

[@am_frog]

I feel like every major patch everyone is like "I feel like Testaments a big winner" and then they're still mid.

[@pairofrooks]

Loving this patch. No more strike throw corner, vampires have to drop pressure to bait DP.

[@TheRadioSquare]

Man what happened to Kizzie

[@edionita]

There's no way they killed sin man... Ok. I get the dprc nerf. Ok, that's fine. MAYBE I can also understand the hawk baker > RTL nerf so people who guess incorrectly on wakeup don't get demolished. But why the hell did they take away his 50-50? His dp was unique cause if the opponent was slow to punish it on the first hit, the second hit would be protected by the follow up. But now if they block his dp, he can't fucking follow up anymore! Why?! That was among his best features man! They killed my dlc character indeed.

[@kezo1410]

POT IS EATING GLUE WITH GLITTERING TONIGHT BABY 🗣📈📈📈

[@jermiahevans755]

I decided to pick up Sin recently, played him for a bit, then I read the patch notes. 💀

[@strawhatcoy6247]

Sin gets nerfed for no reason right after he became playable

[@Sonu_the_pocupine]

I'm a sin main so idk how to feel about the dp nerf

[@edionita]

Boycott arcsys cause they killed him with this nerf

[@NickJJU]

I don't play him but it feels like they could have nerfed his DP without taking out the kara super stuff, right? Seems excessive

[@alo2130]

Patch is definitely sending the game on the right direction. Makes Season 4 much more hopeful. Overall very happy, the good decisions in this patch made me reinstall the game fr fr

[@holy2685]

Dp shouldn't be free, you should be punished when people bait it

[@just_2swift]

Anarchy Reigns music is a W ❤

[@thegoose8663]

What do you mean I can't loop throws against dp characters? Damn that sucks.

[@AdamJorgensen]

Super glad I got into GG with Strive, it got me to circle back to Xrd when rollback was added and I found I like playing Xrd a lot more. Both games have a ton of bullshit but honestly, Xrd is just more fun second for second. Strive is just a tedious two-touch experiment at this point. I was sad they didn't decided to include Jam for S4 but at the same time it's liberating. I can ignore anything Strive-related until/if S5 is announced, which gives me time to focus on all the other actually great FGs available right now which I'd far rather play (Xrd, SF6, GBVSR, T8, KI, Idol Showdown, etc, etc)

[@ZachStarAttack]

if only zato had gotten nearly as much love

[@Entityenigma]

Sin is cooked

[@kem9860]

I def agree w you when it comes to the dp change but other than that I like the changes (except for full-screen Testament arbiter sign 😡).

[@Korosivv]

DAISUKE'S VISION

[@JackKahunaLagunaFGC]

Love you Kizzie, I just straight up disagree

[@jackhogan7640]

its gonna be alright boys trust this season is gonna be based

[@mobius-q873]

Potemkin doing gods work yall getting bustered by 2 at least

[@benjaminracelis1992]

This patch was goated, no cope

[@jxrage9134]

People really taking their hate of leo and sol out on dp rc when theres so much more brainless tech in this game. Dp rc wasnt cracked unless ur sol or leo. It sucks for the other dp character who arent degenerate top tiers.

[@scnoz1430]

DP rc hasnt only been a staple in guilty gear, but most anime games in general, this is a pretty bold decision, but its unfortunate seeing the street fighterization of strive. First strive rush, now this.

[@666slateran666]

It has street fighter 2 turbo damage and is more grounded. It's been this way

[@ozi-g-be]

Staple doesn't necessarily mean good I agree they should probably have left it on hit with heavy scaling But on block is wack AF, like I baited it, why am I on defence?

[@webbacon7106]

By most you mean arcsys gg and BlazBlue? Also just because something is a staple doesn't make it healthy. Anime fighters are notoriously terrible when it comes to balance. Getting mix off a dp for 50 meter should have never been a thing.

[@scnoz1430]

@@webbacon7106 I’m not saying they shouldn’t adjust it but removing it entirely is lazy. And melty blood, persona, dbfz all have resource dependent defensive options that are very safe. Why couldn’t they have just made it so rc’ng off an invincible reversal gave a special type of Roman cancel that was safe on block but not plus? And mentioning that anime fighters are notoriously “terrible when it comes to balance” is a complete non sequitur, sf2, sf3 are terrible when it comes to balance as well, like Sean, Necro and eleven and don’t even get started on the alpha series or CvS. But what does that have to do with the argument?

[@webbacon7106]

@@scnoz1430 because you only find cheap stuff like plus on block reversals in arcsys games. SF has very strong stuff, but arcsys games have BROKEN things. Arcsys games will let you skip every measure of game fundamentals and justify it by saying "he had resources". GGST making the effort to tone down some of the BS is fine. From the beginning, GGST never even played like a traditional anime fighter like old guilty gear or blazblue, it played like street fighter with anime fighter characteristics. Because of this whole mishmash of SF and GG gimmicks, the game felt like it didn't know what it wanted to be. You can't make a game as slow as strive and still add RC in its full strength. That just becomes an unfair game. GGST is already extremely volatile, we don't need plus on block reversals. I do agree with you though, spending meter to stay safe would probably be a much better change, but overall I think addressing things like reversal RC is a step in the right direction. If they wanted to keep that gimmick, they'd be better off leaning more fully into the chaotic nature of anime fighters. For the record, no hate towards anime fighters either, blazblue truly is my favorite fighting game, I just won't pretend like blazblue is not a broken game. I love the jank lol, I just don't think it fits strive.

[@deemegaming9170]

Why is removing roman cancels on INVINCIBLE moves bad? sounds like cope

[@Jack_Horner_is_a_hero]

You don't play Baiken.

[@ngdome7583]

only played the beta is it normal that the air backdash is so garbage? I remember it was far better in the Beta

[@maxcar7298]

Any air dash distance/speed depends on your character

[@i_Inquisitor]

bro how tf is sol top 1

[@Jack_Horner_is_a_hero]

He can now pick up off of counter hit HVV meterless and can get about 90% health when using it as a starter. With DP RC gone it makes getting that CH HVV even easier now. Not to mention the lower wall value means he can loop HVV up 4 times now in the corner. I don't know if he'd be top 1 considering all the other busted shit Leo and Nago still have but of all the characters that got hit with DP RC change it definitely effects Sol the least and actually helps him to an extent. Edit: not to mention he builds up more meter in the process.

[@kirby2567]

Baiken, just sitting there being a below-average character at this stage who's dumb tether gives her opponents better combos than her and catching a stray bullet because her counter is a reversal and not a Stance with a few followups is so fucking typical for this game they've got no idea what they're doing

[@webbacon7106]

"wow the only character in the game who has access to a meterless frame 1 parry at all times can no longer spend meter to make it a completely riskless move, the devs don't know what they're doing!!" Strive players experiencing risk for the first time is hilarious 💀

[@kirby2567]

Nah The risk is being forced to spend 50 meter to save yourself from exploding, unlike all the other DP reversals that came with a free mix, in a game where meter is king Anyway this misses the point I made entirely as I wish she didn't have the reversal counter to begin with, I would rather have an Azami/Suzuran (with the obligatory Strive nature of reducing it's 5 follow-ups to 2-3) function than this goofy 1-armed reversal counter and Tether mechanic.

[@alexsvedegard]

​@@kirby2567you're in counter-hit state after whiffing. DPs are counter-hit after whiffing/blocked. Her parry is still better than a DP (no startup is insane), but I will say that Baiken is ass either way. She needs a buff

[@Daniel-nb9re]

@@alexsvedegard Parry is NOT BETTER in any way aside from being the response for safe-jumps, literally because there WAY MORE reliable ways of dealing with it (Loses to projectiles, throws and A LOT of other moves with special properties). Believe me, i'd trade having more active frames, being able to go through everything than just dealing a bit extra damage and winning against safe-jumps 💀💀

[@Garobear50]

I'm still hyped that not only an American won EVO, but with Jack-O and against an Sol main...."A SOL MAIN"!!!!!! This is an incredible moment in history.

[@Wtftruck]

Above all other current fighting games, Strive is the one I really can't wait to move on from.

[@poobe_]

Nobody is making you play it my friend

[@eebbaa5560]

what’s stopping you then? lol i drop it every couple months but they’re adding venom and i’m interested to see how lucy plays out so i’ll probably stick around for a bit

[@Wtftruck]

@@poobe_ Correct, I'm just sick of it being current competitive rotation in tourneys. I'm open to liking it, but the game would probably have to change fundamentally.

[@luffylomer]

Everytime i see a patch testament always seems to get buffs like wtf is going on in arc systems brain.

[@1llsilk]

Soooo white wild assault is useless now???

[@Jack_Horner_is_a_hero]

It's still invincible but just doesn't guard crush anymore if it's blocked. You can still use it to steal turns but you just have to be more precise as to when you use it

[@JokerAnjero]

Patch notes kinda lies at one point. You can still RC the DP on hit

[@666slateran666]

The point is to make it punishable on block not to remove combo routes

[@JokerAnjero]

@@666slateran666 the patch notes says it's also to remove combos

[@Youknowwhoitis155]

It's only for S dps

[@666slateran666]

@@JokerAnjero lol okay I didn't fully read it so my bad. Ignore me 🤙

[@ozi-g-be]

HS DPs aren't invincible at all anymore

[@frostbite000]

still no Slayer nerf gg arcsys

[@eebbaa5560]

he just came out lol

[@ShadowNinjaMaster93]

The dude isn't that good people, he has huge damage but so does everyone else. What he doesn't have is good neutral/defensive tools. Literally just lab him out.

[@alexsvedegard]

​@ShadowNinjaMaster93 this man gets it, Slayer is mid A-tier at best. Leo, Sol and May need nerfs though, but certainly not Slayer.

[@Rin_404]

baiken mains are downplaying their character so hard it's crazy

[@nhall129]

Bro if you played the character, you would understand how bad this is for her She can’t even red RC on a successful parry for extra damage….

[@Rin_404]

@@nhall129 yes. exactly. no one can anymore. that's the whole point. i dont know if baiken mains think they are something special and need every privilege but well they arent. everyone with a dp got hit by this change not just you guys.

[@steffanhymer1285]

After the damage nerf her reversal option was arguably the worst in the game. No RC means its almost not even worth using anymore as missing means the enemy just gets a free counterhit into combo on you as one of the lowest health characters in the game.

[@Rin_404]

@@steffanhymer1285 have you already heard about every other character receiving the same treatment? for example if i miss my dp as ky or it gets blocked then he in fact also gets counterhit comboed. it's not a get out of jail free card anymore so you have to actually play the game and read your opponent for the reversal.

[@art1637]

​@steffanhymer1285 good riddance lmao if that change makes baikens stop parrying on wakeup maybe i can finally play i-no against baiken

[@hylanderOP]

It feels like they want this game to be like street fighter 6 so bad. 😂

[@eebbaa5560]

it’s lowkey kind of pathetic to watch them scramble to try and stop people from going to sf6 but they won’t even fix any of the issues that have been around since launch

[@webbacon7106]

No way having your invincible reversals be punishable is "wanting the game to be like street fighter 6". There's no world where getting mix off a dp is healthy for any fighting game lol

[@ozi-g-be]

@@hylanderOP having a plus on block invincible reversal is wack, shoot me

[@jxrage9134]

lazy patch

[@yakyak1483]

Good thing i don't have to worry about this patch because i play xrd the better game

[@goldsocks9999]

Strive actively hates the players

[@thgrimreaper9341]

arcsys listened to the players' biggest complaints: dprc, wa wallbreak hkd, and wwa being stupid what more do you want??

[@alexandermartinezpolanco4539]

"Wah wah wah"

[@666slateran666]

No, old heads just hate strive. Goto bed old man.

[@RandazzoOcarina]

More like strive players actively hate strive

[@goldsocks9999]

@@RandazzoOcarina Facts

[@heracrossz7701]

Oh no! now dprc have to actually block what a horrible nightmare