My Hydrogen Vent Tamer - Explained

[@wittkopdotzgaming]

Just realised that having follow cam activated on a dupe gives him the "center of atention" buff (-5% stress/cycle) would be cool to make a quick #shorts out of it

[@music_YT2023]

Ooh, this is a great build. I have been breaking my hydrogen pumps, even when using steel. It's so hard to resist going in there the second I can make steel though; free energy!

[@jokecukie]

A basic way would be to build a the pump in a 2x2 room with a steel door connected to the hydrogen vent room. With a temp sensor to close the door at 250 or less. The remaining gas in the pump room is pumped out very quickly leaving a vacuum and your pump safe from overheating. The door to the pump opens again when your steam turbine cooled down the hydrogen below your temp sensor setting. You can do this the minute you get steel.

[@Joeyjoejoe1708]

What a great build. I used this for 1000 cycles in my base without any problems. I replaced the metal tiles with window tiles made out of diamond and it works great.

[@Luma_plays]

Thank you for the nice feedback :). I normally try them out for at least 400 cycles to be sure they are stable. This one was a little tricky with the materials for the steamturbine. Glad it worked so good for you :)

[@edtinsley525]

@@Luma_plays Question: My two starting worlds do not have Aluminum, would Cobalt or Copper be suitable replacements?

[@Mr.Sparks.173]

@@edtinsley525 what you're looking for is the material you have with the highest thermal conductivity. Aluminum is the best one before you have access to Thermium, but I do believe cobalt is second best, with copper being third (or maybe that's gold, I forget). Most metals will work, just maybe not as well. Like the hydrogen might still come out hot, or you need to expand the loop by a few tiles to compensate for the weaker thermal exchange, but the base idea is still solid, it just might require a bit of adjustment depending on what materials you have.

[@serdaraytemiz9978]

I did a similar setup but I used a steel door to seperate the pump from the hydrogen vent. I also did not have a lot of materials and it was an early build. I combined the output of the vent with my spom. I used copper metal tiles, gold radiant pipes. I keep a thermo sensor in the chamber set to 215 so there is a buffer to protect the pump. for the hydrogen that I use in the base as atmosphere I passed that line from the water chamber and not the main line since heat is destroyed in the hydrogen generators no need to waste power on reducing temp. so my infinite storage is around 200 degrees. then I have 2 pumps feeding 12 hydrogen generators coupled to a battery bank set to 65 percent. between solar, volcanic steam power and the natural gas generators, they hardly go online. This build is of course 3 times smaller than what I built but this is really nice to see how much smaller we can make it :) Awesome work as always.

[@Luma_plays]

Thank you, nice setup yourself. 12 Hydrogen generators! What are you powering? I always try to present the smallest possible build (that I could come up with - there are other people making it even smaller probably). In a normal lets play those builds of mine could then easily be expanded. For example putting 2 steam turbines on top or integrating a generator.

[@serdaraytemiz9978]

@@Luma_plays I just had the space for exactly 12 generators :) and its really nice to see your batteries top up quickly when all fire up. I am going to break up the generators into sections where they start in stagger. it will give me a chance to test the automation ribbons. I used to build "minimal" or "just enough" but then I realized even the most well thought out system breaks. I have just finalized my longest run at 12xx cycles. I consider finalization when something breaks and I have to sandbox the fix. I now know that I have to build things as expandable buildings. espacially the main astreoid. each planet needs to be self sustaining. while having smaller planets is good on performance, it is really important what you want to build in the long run. I usually prefer natural tile farming but it takes a lot of space.

[@fruity4820]

this design was a great starting point for me to expirament and find a design that's best suited for my playstyle. i diched the self cooling turbine idea in favor of more reliability and flexibilty with the materials, and also in order to maximize the power output of the turbine, since self cooling turbines only really work when the steam intake is at 125° and not one degrey beyound that (plus my colonies tend to have one huge cooling loop that goes everywhere, so its not a big deal to just extand it to include one more steam turbine), i have a smart bettery and a thermosensor set to "when above 200°" connected with an AND to the turbine, and i have also a fail-safe thermosensor set to "above 260°" that overwrites the AND signil in case i dont use enough of the power and the room starts to overheat. The fail safe thermosensor also tunrns off the pump that pumps out the hydrogen, to make sure the vent doesnt put out 500° hydrogen when the pump is close to overheating. I dont know how long the design holds up because i useally mess around woth the tamer ans try new things, but i dont see how it can break, the tempeture never gets close to 275° and if i dont feel safe i can always lower the value in the fail-safe thermosensor

[@UltraCyberstar]

Self-cooling works up to a steam temperature of 135°C afaik.

[@toddblankenship7164]

I've always found if you're pumps pull the gas out as it comes out of the vent it keeps the room at super low density and so the heat doesnt effect the pumps. only down side is they pump basically full time untill the room vacuums out.

[@FabbInRedd]

Thanks, I needed inspo for taming Hydrogen Vent. `edited since I made a mistake because Chrome kept your comment section across another video

[@sneezyfido]

On a low tech simple solution, I have one where the hydrogen room is narrow, with one side bordering a water reservoir. The wall is metal tiles, and there are tempshift plates from water to gas pump to keep that cool. The reservoir is from a p.water vent, where I collect it to go to my orchard/pip ranch and hatchery/cuddle pip pen. A few extra degrees won't matter. Edit - I forgot to mention that the gas pipes start out radiant going through the reservoir to keep the temperature even during eruptions.

[@plda123]

great video. This helped me out! Thanks

[@ayan14496]

I was doing something like this for most of the geysers like a self powered infinite natural gas storage from a natural gas geyser and a power positive hot steam vent/geyser

[@wittkopdotzgaming]

About "tamers", i have seen someone using a trick with visco-gel and liquid valves to trick the liquid pump into pumping ultra hot niobium, making it immune to heat damage. Maybe try to replicate that, and show the viewers, it is preety inportant late game to have some niobium, especially since you can just space freeze it when it is in a liquid pipe for easy cooling.

[@Luma_plays]

Thanks for the tip. I need to learn a little more about those pumps. I know how they generally work but i think i only used them once. For most of the other liquids i created the glitch pump :D. Love that thing

[@deilusi]

There was deleting issue if you put vent dripping on oil like that, is it still the case ? If I remember water dissapeared each time crude oil was pushed up and drop vaporized while there was crudge falling over same tile ?

[@Luma_plays]

I sometimes had that happen not all the time. You can try placing the liquid vent inside of the crude oil that should hopefully get rid of that issue.

[@TheJimcarrot]

I used this design and substituted petroleum for the crude as they have similar TC and SHC....what I forgot to account for was the density. Now the petrol has 'floated' up above the water and gunked up my steam turbine. Whoops! All because I already had a pitcher pump built for petrol but not crude. Now I have the pleasure of trying to fix the issue in a "live" build. Hooray! :D

[@Luma_plays]

Maybe you can open up a side and let a bit petroleum out.

[@SpottedHares]

Since the steam turbine will only let out 500g packets of water you can loop the water though the hydrogen chamber first to pick up heat.

[@Luma_plays]

Correct me if i am wrong but a steam turbine with all gas inlets active uses 2,5kg/s, 500g per non-blocked inlet. Otherwise: Yes that would be an addition

[@ahmaddeveloper1329]

I dont have aluminum what can i use?plz help.

[@Luma_plays]

hmm nothing much you can do. you need the aluminum for the turbine and or the radiant pipe. otherwise the cooling power is not enough (depending on your geyser) to keep up with the heat in this design. You could try to make the upper room larger and place 2 turbines on top. then you can use materials with lower thermal conductivity. or you could use 1 turbine in a larger room and make the radiant pipe and the turbine from gold but have it run along the floor for more than 5 tiles to increase the heat exchange area. You can also try to use another liquid on the floor of the steam turbine. See if another liquid like water with a different special heat capacity and or thermal conductivity works better. I tested this for so many different things but in thissmall configuration aluminum was just the best. So I think making it bigger is the easiest solution. then you can experient more safely.

[@WordFyle]

Very off topic but the night after watching this I had a body horror related dream where a bunch of organic shapes were growing off me and a hydrogen vent like shape was one of them

[@Luma_plays]

Very random and horrifying, but interesting. Use it for a book or something: the horrors of the hydrogen hydra

[@우리엄마-k5k]

what do i use if i dont have alluminum in my base

[@Luma_plays]

Make the Steam Turbine area bigger and add a 2. Steam turbine. Over all most of my builds can be made easier by making them bigger. But i try to make them as small as possible.

[@-NB7979-]

Now there is no points of using Hydrogen vent in current meta, because Saturn Critter Trap is better in every aspects compared to Hydrogen vent. You can completely control the production, temperature of hydrogen is much lower, and the amount of hydrogen produced is much higher. 2.4 Critter Trap can fully sustain 1 hydrogen generator, and you can normally find more then 30 at the core of radioactive asteroid. This is the ultimate power solution that even can replace petroleum boiler and nuclear reactor, only overwhelmed by end-game sour gas boiler. I wish someday you also cover this beautiful plants in your vid too!

[@Luma_plays]

Thank you alot, i didn't known they are so powerful. Sounds like a cool plant for a setup! I often forget to check the wiki or the forum for designs. Normally just try out stuff until I understand :D that way i end up with slightly different designs.

[@-NB7979-]

​@@Luma_plays Did you know that your contents actually help people a lots even in different countries? I live in South Korea and even here many ONI players know you and get a lots of helps and idea from your vid. I recently subscribed and start to comment on videos which I already saw before (Haha) but I knew your channel since 2021. Just do whatever you wants and people will get help anyway XD And about the Critter trap info, It is now correctly written on Wiki but just brief : 1 Critter plants produce 25kg of hydrogen in every cycle at fixed temperature(I believe it was like around 10C) and 12000kcal of plants meat in every 30 cycle. It consumes 10 kg of polluted water in every cycle and one critter regardless of species in every 30 cycles.

[@Luma_plays]

I really appreciate all the nice comments. I knew that people all over the world see the shorts but I wasn't sure they are helpful :). Glad that there is value in them. Also thanks for subscribing and commenting i learn so much from all of you.

[@badgerb202]

Is it possible to use any other liquids instead of crude oil

[@Luma_plays]

I guess petroleum could be fine or something heavier than water like salt water Ps put the vent in the heavier water (so one tile lower)

[@rickytleung]

I'm going to try this hot vent tamer in my current Spaced Out game. I have a hot polluted oxygen vent on my 2nd asteroid to tame. My 2nd asteroid also has an infectious polluted oxygen vent so I might pipe them together and let the heat kill the Slime Lung germs

[@Luma_plays]

Cool. Tell me how it went :) Germs sometimes are hard to kill with heat. Cold, and radiation works better normally.

[@rickytleung]

@@Luma_plays that's a good point, I'll plant some wild Wheeze worts to do that

[@rickytleung]

@@Luma_plays I was lucky that my infectious polluted oxygen vent was at the the top of my asteroid and the radiation from the space biome killed the Slime Lung germs. Still waiting for my hot polluted oxygen vent to become active to see if your design works

[@Luma_plays]

@@rickytleung That is a really convenient find! Tell me how it went Hope nothing breaks. I don't know how much more thermal energy is in the polluted oxygen mass (or eruption period).

[@rickytleung]

@@Luma_plays I'm mainly using your hot vent tamer design to pre-chill the polluted oxygen. I'm thinking of combining two machines that I have planned to produce clean water and clean oxygen without using sand. One machine will boil polluted water to steam, other machine will chill polluted oxygen to liquid oxygen. Since I need to cool the hot water from the steam turbine and warm up the liquid oxygen, I think this will be a great way to handle both problems

[@whitehg6270]

Can you use copper instead?

[@Luma_plays]

Hey White HG the self cooling only works if the average temperature of the steam does not go above 135°C. If you can keep the steam temperature low enough for example through buffer (liquids or the steam amount), the number of steam turbines or other measures, then self cooling will work. Generally you don't have to use Aluminum, BUT in this build in the size it is in the vid you will probably need it. I think i tested it for 600 cycles with different materials for the pipes and the steam turbine with differently strong Geysers. And Aluminum was needed in a few cases. So in short: for this exact version you need Aluminum otherwise it is a gamble, BUT if you make it larger and use 2 Steamturbines or make the ST room bigger and have a longer copper piping run across the floor it might work as well.

[@derez414]

Thanks! I have had trouble with the self cooling loop for the steam turbine (on different setups) : the steam turbine overheats. Do you have to use ceramic for the insulated tiles beneath the steam turbine ? Is it possible that the amount of crude oil under the steam turbine is to low ?

[@Luma_plays]

The self cooling only works if the average temperature of the steam does not go above 135°C. If you can't keep the steam temperature low enough for example through buffer (liquids or the steam amount), the number of steam turbines or other measures, then self cooling will not work. You don't have to use ceramic for the insulated tiles. But that means you have more heat bleeding through the wall towards your steam turbine, heating it up more. So if you have a little bit ceramic too spare: make at least the tiles underneath the ST ceramic. Edit: the amount of crude oil underneath the ST : the crude oil is there to transfer the cooling from the 95°C out put water to the ST. Any amount allows the transfer of heat. the larger the amount the bigger the buffer. Too much liquid and the Turbine will be submerged and stop working. You can experiment with that

[@derez414]

Thanks a lot! I’m really enjoying ur latest series btw :D (vanilla/abuse)

[@derez414]

Do you stream ?

[@Luma_plays]

@@derez414 Not at the moment. Maybe in the far future. I am not fluent enough in english. I do a lot of voice overs. Thanks for the interest though :)

[@derez414]

I understand, anyways ur voice/english/accent in your videos make a great peacefull combo that I enjoy as much as your content. (No pressure, but streaming would help you get fluent in english. Also you don’t need to be as accurate when you streaming, we all do mistakes while chit chatting.)

[@speedqq5939]

how do you spawn geyser ?

[@Luma_plays]

Hi Speed QQ, With the developer mode. there you can copy paste geysers (when you find them) or select them from a badly organized list. To activate that you either type something like "klei play" (better google that again) or change 1 word in a game file (also google that i can't remember where it was) :)

[@wittkopdotzgaming]

It quite angers me, when i get a starting asteroid with everything you ever need +giant desert biome (sulfur biome) + free refined iron (close to core) +enough water for days, but you cant find the supply teleporter for the 2nd planet at all XD

[@Luma_plays]

Or when you find it and it is not the input you were looking for. But the output..

[@wittkopdotzgaming]

I need both anyway, but i have looked all over the map, it might be in the pre-core area

[@Luma_plays]

@@wittkopdotzgaming weird. what planet? Not sure anymore but you only get supply teleporter and teleporter transporter on the first to the second asteroid as far as i remember.

[@wittkopdotzgaming]

@@Luma_plays its the small asteroid cluster, i have found the teleporter extremely early, but the supply teleporters are hard to find, they might be in the pre core area or the bottom jungle biome, that biome was avoided early game to keep the starting biome sealed in, and to not kill my dupes with hydrogen and chlorine, i simply ended making a loop like this: base>left end of the asteroid>down until almost reaching core> right until middle point of the asteroid, and then it should be in that area. I did searched the all upper part of the asteroid, but no succes in the supply teleporters

[@wittkopdotzgaming]

If you'd like, i could send you the seed tomorrow, maybe you will have more luck

[@theplayer4664]

i need a natural gas vent tamer

[@Luma_plays]

You just need a steel pump and an atmo sensor :)

[@guy9645]

Used this, and after about 150 cycles the steam turbine temp went above a 100 degrees so I had to open it and cool it down

[@Luma_plays]

Hey guy9645 that is sad to hear. The game has so many different aspects that we (you or me) might have missed something (no blame here, please dont get me wrong. The game is just very complex. This and every other Setup have been tested on the DLC with around 20 to 40 of these Setups for over 400 cycles. Might either be a material change that was not optional or a very strong Geyser that was outside my testing range. If you want to i can take a look at the setup on the discord; though you already fixed it.

[@mrblob107]

@@Luma_plays I've had simular issues. Are you sure that this design is up to date. I think they might have made self cooling steam turbines harder to manage.

[@Luma_plays]

@@mrblob107 Hey Mrblob please read the following with a nice voice and no sarcasm. I am saying that cause i seem to be misunderstood sometimes. can you check if all the materials are the same as in the video and if the mass of the water is still the same? That would help me figure out if this is something I need to recheck. The setups have been tested for hundrets of cycles. Nothing game changing happened since then. What i mentioned in either the short or the longer video that putting the vent INSIDE the crude oil is better / could help. Otherwise you are slowly deleting water over time. That is sadly a weird ONI behavior that is not really intended. That could changes the water buffer mass over time. I might check out the issue when more people have it. Most of the time when i ask them if they can share how they build it they figure out the material is not the same as in the video. Edit: there is a save file in the description to play around with if that interests you. There should be different designs

[@mrblob107]

@@Luma_plays I think it was the oil in the turbine that I forgot to add in. Thanks for the support / reply. It's crazy how active you are throughout the comments, keep it luma!

[@Luma_plays]

@@mrblob107 Thanks, and glad i could help. I try to help the community in my way. When someone has a question i try to answer it.

[@IceDiamondArmy]

I wish I Have an 500c instead i have 900c

[@Luma_plays]

There is a geyser that hot? Hey the hotter the more energy you get. You'll probably need a bigger buffer and 2 turbines though

[@IceDiamondArmy]

Yep Im still figuring Out the game and didnt pay attention to the heat and now i gonna have to do an new play through due to it is quite hot here for the dupes. I think playing an bit slow and steady can lead up problems in the long term and gonna be using some of the advance builds to be alot more effective. thanks for the tips and tricks in your vids. @@Luma_plays

[@Luma_plays]

@@IceDiamondArmyI am glad they are of help :) Have fun with the game. Sometimes it gets tedious and we have to remind ourselves

[@geoffreyhebel2438]

Infinite gas/liquid storage is an exploit hopefully they patch it out so you have to actually play the game