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@DIYHiFi
@DIYHiFi Күн бұрын
Guess I have to be that guy: class D is not digital, it is analog. It uses high frequency switching for the amplification, but never converts the signal to a digital state. Nice build!
@buelow123
@buelow123 Күн бұрын
And also it is actually better to have the power of the amp be greater than the speaker to prevent it from distortion and therefore damaging the speaker. If you turn the speaker up way too loud it will get damaged no matter what.
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit Күн бұрын
I think it's "digital" in terms of the output state and pulse period, but not the pulse width. Obviously after the smoothing inductor it's just an ordinary sound wave.
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit Күн бұрын
@@buelow123 It depends. In multi way speakers, power distribution ratio gets shifted towards the midrange and treble as you increase the amount of clipping, so the midrange and treble will be better off with a more powerful amplifier within its clean limits, but the woofer will be worked harder. I mean it's also very variable with the type of music being played too. Using a more powerful amp will get you the most high quality performance out of the speakers you paid for, assuming you like it loud, but won't necessarily protect the speaker, even though it will sound better right up to its limits. This is a double edged sword as some people might push the speaker too hard as it is still sounding good. Though drivers do introduce their own version of clipping at mechanical limits, thermal limits can sneak up on you, even though those can change the sound signature too. It also depends on how speakers are power rated. A 200 watt speaker might cook with a 200 watt amplifier playing a sine wave. Many speakers are rated with music in mind, and it's nice to know that the kick drum going PHUT! at 200 watts for a tenth of a second won't damage it, while the rest of the music is at 10 watts. You have to be careful with more and more music having continuous bass and average levels creeping up so the speaker is staying at powers approaching the 200 watts more often and risking a voice coil overheat. Frequencies are another thing that I touched briefly up above. The power handling of a speaker is different depending on the frequency of the sound. Usually more in the bass and midrange and less in the tweeter. The tweeter can generally produce louder sound on the same power though, both due to its own sensitivity and your ears' sensitivity, which helps. Also at very low frequencies, the woofer can flap around and dent the voice coil former if it bangs into the back of the magnet. Best to filter those out especially in ported enclosures. It will also sound better if your bookshelf speaker isn't trying to reproduce 25Hz.
@azzaisme
@azzaisme Күн бұрын
Pffft what would this guy know Checks username Oh...
@offic.dzanjo3048
@offic.dzanjo3048 Күн бұрын
Class D is digital... PWM its not analog... Extremely high "sampling" of the analog input to give an indistinguishable signal from analog... P.S class D is technically the "cleanest", "purest" un coloured sound you'd get on a technical level with perfect filtering. 😅
@cainagnascimento
@cainagnascimento 2 күн бұрын
About the wires, DIY Perks made a video about it a few days ago in case anyone missed it. It is worth watching
@ralph90009
@ralph90009 Күн бұрын
I dont think the laser line of sight limitation would make them easy to use in a house.
@alecjahn
@alecjahn Күн бұрын
@@ralph90009 yeah, it was pretty interesting but looked unreliable, cumbersome, and expensive.
@Laugh1ngboy
@Laugh1ngboy Күн бұрын
@@ralph90009 Limitations are limitations I mean why not just use a cheap Bluetooth speaker?
@CortVermin
@CortVermin Күн бұрын
yeah worth watching to know what not to do xD
@nicolasj972
@nicolasj972 Күн бұрын
@@ralph90009 He actually mounted the lasers on top of the front speaker , pointing up and then used mirrors mounted on the ceiling so there is no risk of a person going in between the speaker and laser emitter. It's very clever, give the video a try. DIY Perks.
@DominusFeles
@DominusFeles 2 күн бұрын
Thats one chubby TIE Fighter!
@Savagetechie
@Savagetechie Күн бұрын
I'm glad I wasn't the only one
@cammmy
@cammmy Күн бұрын
Nice work. I've always been told to over spec the amp as you are more likely to blow speakers from clipping the amp than you are from overdriving the speakers.
@scarce911
@scarce911 Күн бұрын
Car audio guy since 95 ... always been told to have more power than you need...so you're not stressing your amp to its higher end/max...and was told by one VERY reputable family audio shop that they never had anyone blow subs from too much power, but have had a lot blow from under-powering them...this COULD have been a ploy to sell bigger amps. (This shop is still in business)
@RyoCanCan
@RyoCanCan Күн бұрын
More headroom, more good
@agarmash_
@agarmash_ Күн бұрын
Agreed, always better to have some headroom for transients rather than hit the clipping
@matthewday7565
@matthewday7565 Күн бұрын
Overdriving the amp is worse than overdriving the speaker, though that applies far more to passive crossover speakers where the overdriven amp distortion puts more load on the tweeter. Speakers have two limits, sustained thermal and immediate peak
@GregKrsak
@GregKrsak Күн бұрын
Is this more applicable to solid-state amps vs. tube amps?
@Savagetechie
@Savagetechie Күн бұрын
I would always drive subs with amps rated for double the drivers power where possible. Nothing wrong with headroom especially with dsp control.
@archbug2510
@archbug2510 Күн бұрын
Exactly. I would go for something in the 500w range for this sub except for class AB amps then you’d be fine with 300 watts
@grahamprescott9426
@grahamprescott9426 10 сағат бұрын
Wattage isn't linear. I.e. 300 watts isn't half of 600 watts. So 300 to 400 is hardly anything. But I agree the amp should have more power. 300 seems quite low? My rel 10" sub is 300 watts and it's pretty small by comparison
@Bikini_ST
@Bikini_ST 9 сағат бұрын
​@@grahamprescott9426 i was thinking the speaker flex was minimal. Especially for a ported box.
@vikidivik5427
@vikidivik5427 2 күн бұрын
loved the side by side demonstration. really enjoyed it on my Creative Pebble V3 8W speaker.
@SuicideNeil
@SuicideNeil Күн бұрын
Lol- this is something so many youtubers fail to appreciate- the speakers will only ever sound as good as the ones the viewer is using to watch the video with.
@theyeetus1428
@theyeetus1428 Күн бұрын
They sounded identical with my fairly high-end headphones.
@Benzene265
@Benzene265 Күн бұрын
Not very bassy on my iPhone 8 speaker…
@lapindespices2806
@lapindespices2806 23 сағат бұрын
I was curious if I can ear the difference on a good hifi shelf speakers (dynaudio), but yeah, no real diif, you really need an actual subwoofer to ear a difference.
@kissa02
@kissa02 20 сағат бұрын
@@lapindespices2806 There was a noticeable difference with an actual subwoofer. Not huge since mine is kinda shit, but there was one. I might consider making the one from the video.
@MichelSatoer
@MichelSatoer Күн бұрын
Wow, beautiful build! One concern, though: the audio connector on the back of the subwoofer has now become an audio output instead of an input. If you connect it to the audio output of an amplifier via a cable, you could potentially damage the amplifier's output or the subwoofer's built-in audio receiver. To prevent this, you might consider adding a simple two-way switch. This would let you easily choose between the wireless or wired audio channel.
@erickvond6825
@erickvond6825 Күн бұрын
One thing I would highly recommend is T-nut fasteners and machine screws. These will add the ability to service the subwoofer indefinitely without concern for damaging the cabinet. Regular wood screws will stress the wood fiber and strip the threading material out of the hole after a few times in and out especially with the vibration and pressure a subwoofer can impart on the wood/fiber material over time.
@RyoCanCan
@RyoCanCan 19 сағат бұрын
@@erickvond6825 Yess, proper fasteners are so nice and with how common nyloc is there's no worry of accidental unscrewing.
@LKN117
@LKN117 14 сағат бұрын
Threaded inserts would be a better cleaner look imo.
@erickvond6825
@erickvond6825 13 сағат бұрын
@@LKN117 T-nuts are threaded inserts that are attached at the back of the mounting board. You'd never see them unless you took the enclosure completely apart or stuck your head in there...
@dokmetasonur
@dokmetasonur 9 сағат бұрын
T nuts are not good. They leaks air. Inserst are better
@mirabilis
@mirabilis Күн бұрын
I would definetly add a simple toggle switch for feeding the amplifier wirelessly or by the terminals at the back. Back feeding a receiver can be an issue.
@azur1o
@azur1o Күн бұрын
If you live in a flat I can recommend going for a dual opposing driver setup. Less vibrations transferred to the building. So less noise for your neighbors
@peaceofvideo
@peaceofvideo Күн бұрын
Huh? Does it play the inverse of the wave?
@scarce911
@scarce911 Күн бұрын
​@@peaceofvideoi feel like he's talking about isobaric configuration (push/pull)
@archbug2510
@archbug2510 Күн бұрын
@@peaceofvideo since the two drivers are opposing each other they don‘t cancel out. But the vibrations caused by the drivers do since they’re vibrating „against“ each other. The sonos sub is a good example for isobaric loading.
@troybakker7628
@troybakker7628 Күн бұрын
@@scarce911 I dont think he does, cuz in isobaric the drivers are facing eachother (most of the times) and they both move the same way (one has the wire polarity flipped to achieve this)
@ThylineTheGay
@ThylineTheGay 5 сағат бұрын
@troybakker7628 "dual opposing" (opposing ~= opposite) seems very likely to mean isobaric config
@eugenecountryman8169
@eugenecountryman8169 Күн бұрын
As for power matching, Its always better for the amplifier to have more RMS power, than the speaker. This allows for more dynamic head room. When RMS is matched. You run out of head room and dynamics suffer when pushed to RMS. ..... RMS matching can create more stress on the amplifier, than the driver when being pushed! As a rule of thumb. I run twice the RMS power to my drivers. 1000 watt plate amplifier or a little more would give your design enough head room for dynamics and less stress on the amplifier to speaker relation. The drivers RMS can be passed just fine In on quick dynamic demand peaks. Even more if tuned. Without the danger of clipping the amplifier.
@CortVermin
@CortVermin Күн бұрын
just a hint: wireless speakers have a slight delay and if someone puts on a microwave you have really bad sound. if its not nessesary, dont go wireless on speakers (especially satelites that need external power after going wireless are a bad idea)
@imaginitivity7853
@imaginitivity7853 Күн бұрын
Check out DIY perks who used lasers to eliminate lag
@basspuppy133
@basspuppy133 Күн бұрын
You can avoid the interference from microwaves by opting to use a 5GHz system instead of a 2.4GHz system. Additionally, the delay introduced by digital wireless audio is less often than 1ms and imperceptible to even trained ears. This is such a negligible amount that slightly moving the speaker forwards by a dozen centimeters can compensate for any phase shift caused by delays of this kind, and even then most modern AVRs have built in DSP that allows you to customize delays per channel. The listener is never going to be in the "perfect" position either and our ears are not a singular point anyway, so getting this nit-picky over delays doesn't even really accomplish anything. As long as it sounds good, it is fine, and these aren't really factors that are going to cause any issues to people switching over to wireless. There is no major benefit other than cost to using wired vs wireless because of these reasons, both are just as good as each other.
@agarmash_
@agarmash_ Күн бұрын
@@basspuppy133 I can disagree - 1 ms equals to 34 cm distance of sound travel in the air, which is quite perceivable when we're talking about RELATIVE delay to other speakers. On top of that, wireless communication is going to introduce an inconsistent delay, which only makes things worse. I've been taught by car audio guys about timing alignment of speakers, and I can say from experience that it makes a huge deal in forming a proper sound stage. If we speak about the home stereo, I used to have two different 2.1 setups driven by a DSP, and aligning the sub with the front speakers by delays made for example a kick drum sound like a kick drum. Let me know if you want me to tell more, I'd be glad to!
@rBennich
@rBennich Күн бұрын
@@agarmash_ I can only agree. I tried to double the center channel on my Anthem setup, because the center was too low in height and got blocked by feet, so had to have a smaller center above the TV, and i used the "Zone 2" amp on the receiver while sourcing the sound from the "Main zone" center pre out. The result was terrible, as the "zone 2" digital processing added delay, which meant phase issues. If i want to do this, i have to scrap the "zone 2" and use a proper "no latency" analog amp for the extra center speaker, or else, sod it....
@teresashinkansen9402
@teresashinkansen9402 23 сағат бұрын
It puzzles me why they cannot make a system with imperceptible delay. If human hearing reaches up to about 20kHz I gues achieving a delay of less than one quarter wavelenght would be enough. That's a delay of 12us.
@azimalif266
@azimalif266 Күн бұрын
I like the speaker of this video, and the wireless solution of diy perks. I'm gonna try to combine the two.
@StickySli
@StickySli Күн бұрын
I thought you were going to build a servo subwoofer. I never thought of putting the wireless receiver inside the speaker. Good idea!
@antibrevity
@antibrevity 11 сағат бұрын
This is a great project and the video does a great job of explaining the build so that viewers can follow along. The result is quite useful as a a one-size-fits-all design that will satisfy most viewers in most environments, but it's not quite a "high-tech" subwoofer design that considers all of the knowledge available and it certainly doesn't change DIY speakers forever. If we want a better result than simply buying a finished subwoofer, we can't simply pick a random tuning frequency or accept the manufacturer's recommended box volume. Rather than start by choosing a driver, we'll want to predict the final response at the design stage by testing our current room response and then deciding what we want to change. The audible difference between ported and sealed is mainly a matter of sound intensity if we design them correctly. All other things being equal, a ported design will be louder, as described in the video. If you can easily hear a change in sound color between a sealed and ported speaker, then one or both of them are poorly designed. The focus on making an accessible, understandable project is awesome and I think it gives people a great option for building their own subwoofer that can be tuned with a DSP to fit it into specific environments, but in the video we are left with no idea what the actual room response was either before or after. No modern design should be complete without at least some REW frequency response curves to show what was accomplished. Yes, we can melt a voice coil with excessive wattage and subs do tend to sustain high power levels for long periods, *but* it's far more likely that we'll kill a sub with clipping distortion when our amp runs out of headroom. Too few watts kills speakers far faster than too many, but we must always make sure that gains are set such that maximum system volume *cannot* cause clipping. Class D amp power is often rated at a horrific 10% THD, which is a magnitude more distortion than we want our speakers to experience. This might mean that we'll need a 200W amp to obtain 100W of relatively clean power, *but* bear in mind that most systems have far more power than they need; even home theaters are usually running at less than 1W per speaker. People focus far too much on power numbers and not nearly enough on speaker selection, design, and room calibration. Spend money on a DSP, *not* on bigger amps.
@Kevlar187
@Kevlar187 2 күн бұрын
They make plate amps that already have wireless functionality.. Even so nice job
@bobblyflay7954
@bobblyflay7954 Күн бұрын
@Kevlar187 what’s the price difference
@holden-p3r
@holden-p3r Күн бұрын
No no no, he's revolutionizing the way people build subwoofers! By utilizing off the shelf products made for this exact purpose, he's changing the way the industry works. Bravo! This video should be labeled: Complete guide on how to glue up some MDF cut by your CNC followed by trivial soldering.
@retroferret3424
@retroferret3424 Күн бұрын
@@holden-p3r why are you so angry? bro made a cool thing for himself, and made a simple 20 minute how to, to document the process, and show it to people. What cool thing did you do? Watch the video, and instead of clicking off when you didnt like it, be a bit of an ass in the comments? Right... do better.
@holden-p3r
@holden-p3r Күн бұрын
​@@retroferret3424When he stops blatantly lying in his content, I'll dial back my snarky comments
@ThylineTheGay
@ThylineTheGay 5 сағат бұрын
@@holden-p3r "some MDF cut without adequate respiratory safety gear" too
@MitchellWilsonII
@MitchellWilsonII Күн бұрын
Sealed does not equal more compact. Depending on the resonant frequency you’re targeting a larger enclosure can be preferable. But, it’s mostly going to depend on the driver you’re using if you’re targeting efficiency. However, if you have a powerful driver, you can build a larger enclosure to get lower extension at a cost of efficiency. Enclosure design is definitely an art. Great job on the video! 😊
@st170ish
@st170ish Күн бұрын
Your info on enough watts is incorrect, watts in speaker spec is only a thermal limit of that Rs315HF you've used, it could take a 1000wrms amp all day long because sound is dynamic the only time it will become a problem is if you feed it constantly from a tone generator(ie SPL car audio nuts)at high SPL's for several minutes. Also that sound deadening applied inside was a waste of it, you've already braced that cab well enough to not need it! All in all though its a nice build that'll last you many years, well done.
@Naruedyoh
@Naruedyoh Күн бұрын
I wonder if the wirelessness makes some audio delay
@Sychius
@Sychius 2 күн бұрын
Please please PLEASE WEAR BREATHING PROTECTION WHEN YOU'RE MACHINING MDF. That stuff is hilariously toxic and breathing in it's dust is AWFUL for you, PLEASE put on a mask of literally any description when you're cutting/sanding it.
@scarce911
@scarce911 Күн бұрын
Just a little formaldehyde 😮😊😮😊😮😊
@rocknrolljesus3197
@rocknrolljesus3197 14 сағат бұрын
​@@scarce911 no formaldehyde for years
@scarce911
@scarce911 10 сағат бұрын
@@rocknrolljesus3197 i just bought wood from Menards last spring that had formaldehyde in it ..stamped right on the panels
@rafezetter8003
@rafezetter8003 Күн бұрын
Doesn't the metal FOIL of the sound dampening pads interfere with the signal as you screwed the wifi unit directly to it?
@TJsVette
@TJsVette 2 күн бұрын
Car Audio Fabrication enters the chat....
@archbug2510
@archbug2510 Күн бұрын
The design of the Sub looks great and the wireless feature is a nice addition. But threes things: first the damping you used in the sub is made for car audio and therefore meant to be sticked on metal. For wood i would recommend heavy foam as it’s the best for Bass frequency’s. Second there’s a ~1cm gap as far as I can see where the port end couples to the front plate. Installing a small wood ledge would help reduce port noise (chuffing) drastically. And third I see the reason you choose this amp but the 500w would be a better option since these Dayton drivers can take a lot of power without breaking or distorting from my personal experience. Other than that it’s a great build and video!
@nonamesthesame
@nonamesthesame Күн бұрын
Using wireless for your sub and not your speakers can result in delay, most noticable in mid-bass, because there can be up to a 35ms delay in the wireless signal that is not present in your wired speakers. Adjust your receiver speaker distance/timing or DSP to compensate.
@dougbrown7150
@dougbrown7150 2 күн бұрын
You're going to want to fabric over your port , that close to the floor it will collect a lot of dirt and trash, otherwise great build
@tasty-ramen
@tasty-ramen Күн бұрын
A super fine black plastic mesh would look great stretched over the entire front I think But would have to be tucked behind the driver somehow
@imNickBreh
@imNickBreh Күн бұрын
I love how perfectly the TV is mounted directly at eye level
@miket2120
@miket2120 Күн бұрын
So few people do it and so many people complain about sore necks!
@FJB2020
@FJB2020 Күн бұрын
nearly impossible to do when you have a full-size tv and not a tiny 55".
@matthougas928
@matthougas928 Күн бұрын
Lies, move your electronics to a shelf on the side and wall mount. Get rid of those gaudy tv cabinets​@@FJB2020
@thezfunk
@thezfunk 22 сағат бұрын
No kidding. We need a dept of correct TV height and those people who put TVs high on mantels should be punished.
@imNickBreh
@imNickBreh 2 сағат бұрын
@@thezfunk straight to jail for them!
@BPBomber
@BPBomber Күн бұрын
If I ever travel to Canada 🇨🇦 🍁 I want to hang out and build stuff with Zac 🤯
@sly1024
@sly1024 Күн бұрын
Awesome build! 👍 Just one note: many people mistakenly think that class D amps are "digital". They're not. The audio signal that goes in is analog, the amplified signal is analog. There's nothing digital in that.
@weberito
@weberito Күн бұрын
Bro, class D amps "operate by rapidly switching back and forth between the supply rails, using pulse-width modulation, pulse-density modulation, or related techniques to produce a pulse train output." This is a form of modulation used to represent an analog signal with a binary signal. Knowing that digital means that something is expressed as series of the digits 0 and 1 there is a lot of digital in class D so please stahp that bs.
@ThylineTheGay
@ThylineTheGay 5 сағат бұрын
@weberito digital/analog is not quite as much as a binary as you think, in the case of "super high frequency signal using PWM that when the high-frequencies are filtered out becomes a regular analog signal" i'd say it's far closer to analog, practically speaking it's actually really cool how they work, there's a recent video from a channel called headphones something or other that explains it well, you'll probably find it if you look for videos on the different classes of amps
@weberito
@weberito 5 сағат бұрын
@@ThylineTheGay thanks, I’d look into it!
@chuckintexas
@chuckintexas 23 сағат бұрын
Thanks ! Some EXCELLENT coverage of some important points to remember , and how they affect the overall build . I'll use these "points to remember" in _my_ next build 👍!
@Lens_Lord
@Lens_Lord Күн бұрын
I'd like to add something to the fact that you said you want to match the amplifier power as closely to the subwoofer as possible. Only that's partly true, the rating on amps are usually the max power they can deliver but at times that is with 1% to even 10% distortion which doesn't always sound good. So It's recommended that you use a more overpowered amp and set the levels at the power rating of your speaker so in that way you don't blow up your speaker but also don't have any unwanted distortion from the amp.
@JayDubster
@JayDubster Күн бұрын
That's a beautiful build Zac, the look is so tidy, and that wireless module seems work a treat!
@TheVaultable
@TheVaultable Күн бұрын
0:52 “subwooper”
@Tarodenaro
@Tarodenaro 5 сағат бұрын
Here's something neat, an old trick for the sub: Stack a paper based weight on top, put around at least 1/4 weight (of the sub) on top of the sub with books or magazines or paper of any kind, you should feel the differences.
@dankplatypus420
@dankplatypus420 2 күн бұрын
Really cool you were able to get that done at 14:40, being able to customize with both wood and electronics makes for some really cool project like this one, glad YT put this on my feed today.
@jamesray9009
@jamesray9009 Күн бұрын
awesome timing I been thinking what am I gonna do with this 10" and these 12's
@jackspeer2127
@jackspeer2127 17 сағат бұрын
BTW I'm not dissing your work, you have a terrific project, just a few questions that came to mind.
@litzy7892
@litzy7892 22 сағат бұрын
Those RS Dayton HF drivers are fantastic bang for your buck driver. Sound Quality is top notch. I know, I built a 15" version of this.
@Orste88
@Orste88 7 сағат бұрын
Another thing you also can do to improve internal acoustic of the chamber is to use a roundover bit to make sure that no braces have 90 degree angles but round corners to improve airflow. This way, a lot of the airwaves will dissipate rather than break inside the cabinet.
@coolbugfacts1234
@coolbugfacts1234 Күн бұрын
Very cool, the one thing I know would go wrong in my house is that sub would be a very tempting surface for accumulation. Maybe adding a glass shelf with rubber feet might help?
@agarmash_
@agarmash_ Күн бұрын
What I can truly recommend is to replace the cable between the amp and the speaker with a thicker one (I find 4mm^2 to be a great choice). Basically, the resistance of the cable directly impacts the damping factor in reverse ratio, and generally you want the damping factor to be as high as possible for better control and dynamics
@bennyspieler528
@bennyspieler528 Күн бұрын
In my opinion, sealed Subwoofers with enough speaker area, and an audio-processor to expand the low-output is the best.
@BPBomber
@BPBomber Күн бұрын
Zac, did you see DIYPerks built a wireless home theater that transmits the signal via laser?!? Theoretically zero audio compression as he replaced the TOSLINK output with a low power laser.
@joshualaird5303
@joshualaird5303 2 күн бұрын
This channel is so fun!
@samohraje2433
@samohraje2433 Күн бұрын
The bass port should be rounded, i have one DIY car subwoofer as a home theater sub with 15" driver but the guy who made it and bought it from made a bass port sharp. At lower volume you can't hear it but i making a parties with my friends more often than you think and i couldn't whithstand the " flutter " sound comming from that bass port. Next year i'll be making a whole new enclosure tuned around 18Hz so it'll be pretty damn big thing in my living room. The second subwoofer will be some trashy Technics whatever it is for higher frequencies starting around 35Hz so they should overlap themself pretty nicely.
@RAW_Reality
@RAW_Reality Күн бұрын
Pretty sure what you're referring to is called "chuffing", and I'd recommend DYI Perks' latest video when it comes to your harmonic overlap scenario, though it's geared more towards a complete speaker build than just being a subwoofer enclosure.
@samohraje2433
@samohraje2433 Күн бұрын
@ i've seen that video don't worry :D they must to overlap because i don't have any other crossover for them laying around and those are home built with agressive slope specially made for that purpouse. Big boy's crossover can pass through anything from 0Hz basically to around 25-28Hz which after that has 12dB/octave reduction and the smaller 10" sub has crossover that starts at 33Hz and ends up at 47Hz with 6dB/octave slope. Mids and highs are set via AV receiver to not be able to play under 60Hz because they are kinda weak though i burnt my center speaker few months ago because i set the equalizer wrong and i let the whole pallete of sound spectrum to enter the center channel while i was making a party and it died just after a few second after the Drum n Bass bass drop. And also i have bass boosted frequencies for those two subs but right now the big boy can't play efficiently below 30Hz you can barely hear it pass that frequency.. it is kinda mixed up all together but it sounds really good and it'll be even more after i make that 18Hz tuned box. I really want to push my window in to the street i really hope it will happen but if not i'm building another one fr
@lawrencek323
@lawrencek323 16 сағат бұрын
I built a very similar ported sub around y2k. one thing I noticed while pushing a 20Hz signal through the sub (far below what it could reasonably reproduce) was a lot of what I would call hissing from turbulence as the air passed over the sharp corners. I used a 1/2" rounding bit on a router to round all of the internal corners on the braces, and the port, and at the outside edge of the port. The rounded corners reduced the turbulence and made the whole thing sound much better. I would recommend rounding all of the sharp corners. Great build and video. Thanks.
@DoctorMangler
@DoctorMangler Күн бұрын
I have a really old book from the 80's titled 'Subwoofer Design'. It was only about 400 pages. It was 400 pages of math and design considerations.... :P
@colinmartin9797
@colinmartin9797 Күн бұрын
I would have bought and then trimmed down a much beefier isolation pad for the base. I switched my klipsch 12 inch ported sub from those kind of feet to a big sound addicted pad and i can't even describe how much it fixed things. Walls and floor stopped shaking because the subwoofer spotted using the literal house itself as a resonance surface. I no longer have to readjust my pictures on the wall when i watch mad max fury road or Dunkirk. You could trim one of those pads down to fit the footprint of your sub. Also i would edit in some text to mention how dangerous it is to be working on that amp board after you've energized it. Bare circuits and huge caps can and do kill people. It's not ridiculously dangerous but caution needs to be taken. And last, as some other guy said, class d is analog. Still, gorgeous work! Love custom speakers, even if I'll probably never build my own. Still rocking two gigantic kenwood speakers i found on the side of the road on trash day and restored. Not the best, but passive 15 inch radiators gives them amazing midbass
@10WA
@10WA Күн бұрын
There are limitations like vent mach when tuning your box via the port size/length. Make sure the cabinet is appropriate size as well. Building a good sub actually quite easy.
@Clint3571
@Clint3571 17 сағат бұрын
Always use WinIsd when designing a box. Especially a ported box, so you know where to set the high pass filter to protect from ultra low frequencies.
@SkittlesScott
@SkittlesScott Күн бұрын
Very nice video and what a beautiful subwoofer build. thank you for posting this.
@petersage5157
@petersage5157 Күн бұрын
Since you have the room and you're replacing a Klipsch branded subwoofer, I'm surprised you didn't go with a corner horn.
@antonmoisey9865
@antonmoisey9865 23 сағат бұрын
Not using screened audio cable from the wifi receiver to the amp would keep me up at night. lol Great build!
@blaness13
@blaness13 13 сағат бұрын
If I remember right, when it lists RMS power, its generally safe practice to understand that the peak power of that speaker is double that 400rms, and realistically a safe amplifier choice would be up to 600 watts with that 400 watt speaker, Its been a few years and it seems like the terminology has been mixed a bit, so i could be wrong but theres is continuous power which should be RMS, (but i'll get to that in a second) program power which is what the speaker can handle in short bursts without destroying itself and peak which is anything at this power for a sec will fry it, and the way it was taught to me is that peak is double of program which is double of continuous, and in theory you can pair an amp with the number between program and peak, because clipping an amp into a speaker is worse that overloading the speaker, I found articles stating that RMS is reference to continuous, but on that subs data sheet, peak is double of the RMS, so RMS is referencing program power, because 800 watts peak would mean 400 watts program, Point being is you obviously don't want to run the speaker at peak wattage cause then its toast, but if you clip the amp going into the speaker then that is also really bad, so its best practice to run a overpowered amp into a given speaker and not push the amp as hard as it can go, cause pumping a little to much clean power into a speaker is better/less bad than a distorted/clipped/signal into a speaker than can technically take that wattage, also depending on how low that amp is sitting volume wise it may not be pushing enough watts to be punchy if you need to be, but at the same time i would question that 32ms of latency with that wireless setup, and if the peaks being sent to the sub are getting through properly, or if they are getting compressed along the way along with being slightly out of phase with the rest of the speaker due to that latency, Mostly speculation on my part and a bit of rambling, but it might be worth keeping in mind and or for someone building a setup,
@CajunReaper95
@CajunReaper95 Күн бұрын
I’ve founded that most home theater subwoofers are tuned around 20hz my klipsch R-12SW is tuned to 29hz!
@Jman9112
@Jman9112 22 сағат бұрын
My 12sw is definitely not 😂😂 more like 40hz
@jamestimmons6022
@jamestimmons6022 5 сағат бұрын
i wish one of these wood worker guys would offer like a flat pack so we peeps that have zero access to tools could build something like this, id love to have just the black box in like a flat pack where i glue/nail it myself....
@_calejon
@_calejon Күн бұрын
Omg!! Zac is a big handsome baby !!!! 😍❤️
@tylerelston7792
@tylerelston7792 Күн бұрын
4:10 I forgot about this legendary video 😂
@marcos4296
@marcos4296 8 сағат бұрын
What software did you use to model this box? 2:04
@moonphase420
@moonphase420 Күн бұрын
16:02 🙏 I was literally just looking for some good recommendations for a 3d printer
@TwoGunToast
@TwoGunToast Күн бұрын
what id like to see is a compact subwoofer build. My truck in particular doesnt even have space for underseat subs. 05' Ranger standard cab, currently I have Rockvilles 12 inch sub behind the bench seat. box 4 inches on top and its base is six inches wide. dont remember how long it is off the top of my head. does sound surprisingly really good though. just enough room but no movement with the seat. would love an alternative I could build myself.
@MyNameIsPetch
@MyNameIsPetch Күн бұрын
Now you need to build a second one :)
@KnighT1105s
@KnighT1105s Күн бұрын
First DIY Perks then you, I guess the universe wants me to buy a home theatre system. 😂
@Smedleydog1
@Smedleydog1 Күн бұрын
You can run both subwoofers. Sometimes it can help with dead spots which you probably will have, depending on placement of the sub. Place one on one wall and the other on an adjacent wall, run them 180 degrees out of phase. I have 2 Klipsch 12in ported subwoofers that go down to 24hz. Music at low volume sounds fuller because of the attenuated base and action movies can/will shake the house.
@immrnoidall
@immrnoidall 21 сағат бұрын
I am so jealous of that shop.
@armadilllo
@armadilllo 14 сағат бұрын
if only he knew how to use it. 3:33 split support
@zzz2496
@zzz2496 Күн бұрын
Hi Zac! A long time viewer here! You assumption about driver "watt" number should match the amplifier's "watt" number is blatantly wrong simply because of physics. The amp's rating of 300 watts has to be questioned, is it peak power at 10% THD? Or is it at it's maximum cleanest power before ramping up THD? USUALLY amplifier manufacturers will use power rating @1% THD, but some will omit the 1% THD and go for max power before blowing up. What kills your driver (or to be specific, it's voice coil) is the amp clipping - which will apply a constant high-ish voltage to your voice coil, getting it hot. When coils get hot, it's resistance increases up to a certain degree, after that, the coil will simply burn (the wire will burn off in a section of the coil). You can have a 1000 watt "rated" amp to drive a 300 watt "rated" subwoofer driver, what you get is HEADROOM where when your audio content requires a "punch" beyond "300 watts", your amp has it. FYI, let's say your 300 watts amp and your subwoofer produces 100dB SPL, to get the SPL to 103 SPL you need 600 watts, to get it to 106 dB SPL, you need 1200 watts. So the bigger the amp, the better you'll be simply because your speaker has smaller chance of burning out (hopefully you won't reach clipping level of your amp by having a HUGE amp). On the other hand, if you have a HUGE amp and your subwoofer driver's suspension system is not up to par, the one bad thing mechanically that can happen is that your cone/voice coil/former assembly will hit the bottom of the magnet, and at worst, it may "blow up", as in the suspension system can't hold on to the cone and the cone gets ripped off out of the suspension system - the visual will look like the woofer's cone got "blown away", ripping out the surround, spider, and wires...
@datanchovies2507
@datanchovies2507 Күн бұрын
You did not need the kill mat at all and half the bracing does nothing but take up space and make you feel better, but it looks good and more people should build things sweet box
@kurtiskeys483
@kurtiskeys483 2 күн бұрын
I bought a polk audio 12 inch sub with built in power. Its 450 watts. Sounds amazing and hits so hard with barely turned up. Paid less then 300 bucks for it at the time. I love building stuff myself but alot of them times i will buy pre-built then mod it my self. It ends up being cheaper.
@iamdmc
@iamdmc 2 күн бұрын
really cool video as usual no way I have the skills, talent, or time for this so I'm likely to just buy an off the shelf solution but I love this kind of stuff
@gges1605
@gges1605 Күн бұрын
If anything adding another sub will help balance the room your not supposed to be able to hear where bass comes from but having more than one sub in room helps, if you want to go all out check out what rel do with their six packs that’s a whole new level again
@johnsmith2837
@johnsmith2837 Күн бұрын
arg yes the CNC machine having kinda DYI, love that ... for you
@jackwelsh3353
@jackwelsh3353 Күн бұрын
I have that exact klipsch subwoofer. I also have klipsch front standing, centre and surround speakers
@AmartharDrakestone
@AmartharDrakestone Күн бұрын
It may be a new concept to make the sub wireless, but it's not really anything new. I remember back in the early to mid 2000s, my family had a pretty decent home theater system and it had wireless rear speakers so we could put them all the way on the other side of the room and not run any cables along the floor to the DVD player (which had the amp integrated). They were technically passive, but still needed to be plugged into the wall for the receiver to work.
@carwynvan
@carwynvan 2 күн бұрын
Really love the video! But class-D doesn't mean digital. Also it looks a bit like a TIE fighter 😅
@sblowes
@sblowes 2 күн бұрын
Thank you! I thought I misheard the “Class D” comment.
@R4MP4G3RXD
@R4MP4G3RXD Күн бұрын
Well it could be classified a digital beacause it's switch mode, square spwm signal through a low pass filter
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz Күн бұрын
@@R4MP4G3RXD The switching is value-discrete but time-continuous, so it is not digital. The timing when the switching happens is analogue from a comparator, so for half the transitions, the switching doesn't happen at any of the discrete timesteps but when the sawtooth or similar timing signal happens to cross over the reference signal in analogue domain.
@R4MP4G3RXD
@R4MP4G3RXD Күн бұрын
@@SianaGearz Yes but class D amplifiers have a carrier frequency which ultimately determines how detailed the spwm signal is; wouldn't that technically make it a discrete sampler? Also by that train of thought are asynchronous logic gates analog?
@AlienKidAnimations
@AlienKidAnimations Күн бұрын
@@R4MP4G3RXD Yeah... it seems like a digital amplifier to me, from whatever definition of digital I have stuck in my head.
@theninjagaming
@theninjagaming Күн бұрын
Actually best timing for me just was looking today about buying or should diy one sub thanks for vid bro you got a sub
@josephaltman460
@josephaltman460 Күн бұрын
Those wood grain speakers are sick! 🤩
@odishoyounan
@odishoyounan 2 күн бұрын
Great video! Quick note/question: does the vocal audio sound a little muffled to anyone else? It sound like there's a barrier between his voice and the mic to me
@GhastlyDerp
@GhastlyDerp 2 күн бұрын
Sounds like some sort of noise reduction
@neb_setabed
@neb_setabed 2 күн бұрын
Yeah I heard that too
@RobertWrightOneManCovers
@RobertWrightOneManCovers 2 күн бұрын
Parts of the video definitely sound like his lav mic was under his hoodie. Pretty lame mistake for a video about sound equipment.
@ThylineTheGay
@ThylineTheGay 5 сағат бұрын
oh good so it wasn't my headphones
@Mr_Ruhl
@Mr_Ruhl Күн бұрын
You really f'd up that port, having the oval opening makes it smaller than the rest of the port length and will create turbulence. The port volume will be forced though a narrower opening and will make more unwanted port noise known as port chuffing. Also painting some of those areas before putting the WOOD glue down means the glue cant soak into the wood fibers properly which is very bad for the structural integrity of those joints.
@FJB2020
@FJB2020 Күн бұрын
He has "Atmos speakers" that point up.. I wouldn't take ANYTHING he says about speakers seriously...
@Markus_Rühl_MTG
@Markus_Rühl_MTG 2 күн бұрын
If only i could live in your house! Its so futuristic!
@10WA
@10WA Күн бұрын
Looks odd. The rest of your setup is rather slim and close to the wall. You should build a tall slim sub next.
@DailyBeat-m9u
@DailyBeat-m9u Күн бұрын
We have different ideas around MASSIVE! LOL Nice work.
@schnills
@schnills Күн бұрын
I bet the curing at the window worked good enough, but aren’t typical windows intransparent to UV?
@dbjury
@dbjury 19 сағат бұрын
You also ideally want more power from Amp than rated. Then you can max the sub ability. Underpowering speakers and turning up will cause more damage if the Amp signal clips and flat lines the sub
@Antney946
@Antney946 Күн бұрын
I can't even imagine the astronomical view counts you would get if you teamed up to build something with Drew Anger from Drew Builds Stuff. It needs to happen!
@AustinReeves-ks5lq
@AustinReeves-ks5lq 2 күн бұрын
I love your videos man they entertain me and my kiddos every time you drop a new banger
@retroanderson
@retroanderson Күн бұрын
Please do a passive wireless setup next! Its been a pain in the current products available
@mattrandomdj
@mattrandomdj 16 сағат бұрын
There's a pretty good reason you don't see many of those I'm afraid.
@wanz7396
@wanz7396 Күн бұрын
13:14 me after watching DIY Perks: wirelessly.... via laser? then gets disappointed coz its not laser. 🤣
@ajschwartz3924
@ajschwartz3924 12 сағат бұрын
This is really cool! I would highly recommend you take a look at another creator who just did something with wireless speakers recently using lasers. It might give you some cool ideas, the guy's name on YT is DIY Perks.
@gustav3443
@gustav3443 Күн бұрын
Generally, what you opted for as off volume and tuning frequency could be better. As of now, this subwoofer has an f3 of 28.8Hz. If you opted to use the tuning frequency of 25Hz, you would get a f3 of 26.7Hz. But this driver is optimal in a box of 73L (not including port) and a tuning frequency of 25Hz to get an f3 of 24.6Hz.
@rhkips
@rhkips Күн бұрын
I love how the actual important information regarding subwoofer design is completely missing from this video, and has been replaced with somewhat related information grossly misinterpreted. There is so much misinformation in this video it's painful, and seeing the comments following a similar trend of regurgitating mindless fluff as if it's fact just makes it worse.
@Programentalist
@Programentalist Күн бұрын
If you know anything about speakers all of his DIY speaker videos are basically rage bait. I haven't even watched this one, I just came to the comments to verify it's business as usual.
@uranium_donut
@uranium_donut 10 сағат бұрын
Disappointed as well. Thought I was finally gonna learn how to calculate the volume of the casing and stuff like that
@ThylineTheGay
@ThylineTheGay 5 сағат бұрын
@@uranium_donut idk it's reliability but "diyaudioandvideo" has some calculators (search the term, it's an old-school looking website, hard to mistake)
@wyntrr_end
@wyntrr_end 2 күн бұрын
i love how both you and DIY Perks put out a video involving wireless home theater speaker builds in the same week haha
@Markus-fw4px
@Markus-fw4px Күн бұрын
Yeah, but this is just a regular subwoofer copied from the internet and perks' is genious.
@hosenansari9344
@hosenansari9344 Күн бұрын
Personally i like sealed box, bcz it produces very clean sound.. 😊
@therick0996
@therick0996 Күн бұрын
Looks great. Now build 3 more 😂
@bear_hardy2118
@bear_hardy2118 Күн бұрын
Nice choice. I used the Dayton UM18-22 and a behringer NX6000D amp for mine. Outperforms my Paradigm Servo 15 by a big margin and I have a second amp channel to add another UM18-22 in the future (which I will do). And cost wise it was $2.2k AUD to buy everything and build it
@FJB2020
@FJB2020 Күн бұрын
I have two UM18-22s in the DIYSG sealed boxes with a single Crown XLi3500. Sounds amazing and shakes the house lol..
@mattrandomdj
@mattrandomdj 16 сағат бұрын
Man I miss my Servo, what a fantastic bit of kit that was, so far ahead of it's time! I got rid of mine in favor of a sunfire and later an SVS, wouldn't mind getting hold of another servo just for nostalgia.
@miket2120
@miket2120 Күн бұрын
Boomier doesn't equal natural sound, just an exaggerated sound. A few things I would do differently: 1. Round off those sharp edges on the MDF. It'll help them take a bump without damage to the edge. 2. Glue up. Paint your mating surfaces with 50/50 glue and paint and let dry. When you do finally do the full dose of glue, it'll grab better. Also, sprinkle a little sand on the glue joint, not much, just about 3-4 grains per inch. This will keep the two parts from sliding around from the slippery glue. He's got the sub in a good place, so it's on the same plane as the front speakers. The worst thing you can do it place your sub in the corner: you'll get a LOT of bass, but it's going to sound one note-ish and sloppy. Rule of thumb: 1/3 the way along the wall. A way to find the best spot for the sub for your favorite listening spot is to put the sub in that listening spot. Then play music with a good solid bass beat and walk the perimeter of the room. The spot with the best sounding bass is going to be the sub's sweet spot and should be placed there. If. your room's furniture placement is not letting place it there, see how it sounds in places where it can go and choose the second best. A sub in the best place audibly but in a bad place functionally will be a continuous problem.
@FJB2020
@FJB2020 Күн бұрын
corner loading your subs is actually common practice in home theaters....
@cetler123
@cetler123 19 сағат бұрын
My Vizio sound bar / surround combo already has wireless connectivity to the subwoofer (which you plug the surround speakers into) Still an awesome build though
@flyboy3633
@flyboy3633 12 сағат бұрын
I wish you had included/discussed a subwoofer with one or more passive cones and how they compare.
@ThatOneGamedev.-pi8or
@ThatOneGamedev.-pi8or Күн бұрын
Impressively I can hear it through my phone... It fills the lower spectrum better
@SwervingLemon
@SwervingLemon Күн бұрын
I built my bass amp with two 12s in a double cube cabinet. One side is ported, one side is not. While it does give me the best of both worlds, the drivers may or may not be in phase at any given frequency. With some sawtooth distortion and clipping from the amplifier stage, it's really hard to tell, though. Edit: While a personal fan of the black boring box, I built my box out of a large shelving unit that had maple veneer, and I made the grillecloth from a pair of Adidas track pants, with the stripes running across the face of the box. It's called the "Blyamp". Edit 2: Class D is not digital. It's just PWM.
@RXR25
@RXR25 2 күн бұрын
Naiiiil Gun!
@Bugsidious
@Bugsidious 4 сағат бұрын
Did you make specific directions to modding the Bluetooth receiver and amp with step by step photos?
@markfeuchter2051
@markfeuchter2051 Күн бұрын
But how much did you spend versus the store bought?
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