My Most EPIC Game of Drawback Chess!

[@allos-e1q]

Great strategy for drawback chess: move your queen only 1 square at a time to fake a drawback, then move it normally when you need to

[@mertaliyigit3288]

There was one game where we faked the same drawback with my opponent for 15 moves waiting for each other to try to counter it lmao

[@shannonney3028]

Homestuck strategy

[@stvia]

I don't know. Sounds unlikely that your opponent will think of the same drawback as you are trying to fake

[@lockaltube]

But then there are rules like: your *non-capturing* move is limited to ...

[@IbrahimMAkrab]

12:58 "these are non-non-pawns, also known as pawns" - Eric Rosen

[@nephandi2316]

Which is true only because the set of chess pieces isn't infinite

[@robertjansen6019]

@@nephandi2316 Works for (at least some) infinite sets as well. Just take the current chess piece set and add an infinite amount of non-non-non-pawns. edit: I just realized this would be too expensive as you can't buy them in a pawn shop.

[@nephandi2316]

@@robertjansen6019 The exact property is "A is included in non-non-A and A = non-non-A is exactly equivalent to holding the axiom of choice for true" (in the sense that this property can be proven only if the axiom of choice is true but you can also prove the property of choice by using A = non-non-A as an axiom)

[@k_meleon]

@@nephandi2316 I'm pretty sure you're mixing up the axiom of choice and either the law of excluded middle, pierce's law or reasoning by contradiction(all of the last three are equivalent modulo intuitionnistic logic)

[@fangzhang9376]

@@k_meleonInterestingly you can prove the law of excluded middle from a certain version of the axiom of choice, but the axiom of choice is a much stronger principle.

[@Superbri]

I can't believe I never saw that this was uploaded; I would've left a comment a lot sooner. That last game was very enjoyable, except for the part where I couldn't move any pieces for 15 minutes. Locking the center was essentially a medieval torture method xD ggs

[@etialpti9930]

Did you guess Eric's drawback at any point?

[@Superbri]

I had no idea what it was, I hadn't played drawback chess that much @@etialpti9930

[@Superbri]

@@etialpti9930 No, I had no idea; by the time I figured out something was wrong with his queen, the game was basically over.

[@gabrielmorales7208]

Eric kinda explored his opponent drawback in the last game. By locking the center to protect his two kings he made all his opponent pieces and pawns useless, given that they couldn't try to atack the sides. So he only was able to move his pieces aimlessly on the center.

[@MultiKB13]

What was really interesting is that under-promoting to rook would've been the best play if knew another queen was just a king

[@roiljelly6255]

143 moves with 1 second left! OMG, and the third (fourth?) king had me cackling

[@francescopistoio189]

Last game was so hilarious!

[@Ben_Long]

WOOHOO more drawback chess 🎉🎉 keep ‘em coming Eric 😂

[@ΝίκοςΒασιλειάδης-φ8ε]

41:03 i wonder if you can castle with your queen and your rook.edit lol nevermind same question was on eric΄s head 10 seconds later

[@danielyuan9862]

You can't make moves that are otherwise illegal in regular chess.

[@a.y.102]

​@@danielyuan9862 Fix it for you: You cannot make moves that otherwise illegal in case of any other drawbacks. There are allowed moves which are illegal in regular chess, such as moving the king into check.

[@WingedEspeon]

Before modern chess the queen moved like a king. Modern chess was originally called chess of the maddened queen.

[@danielshapiro2472]

In game 4, when Eric's opponent couldn't move their king, that final check was checkmate right? Basically any check that would require moving the kings (i.e. can't block or capture the checking piece) would be mate (or guaranteed timeout as the game wouldn't allow you to make an illegal move). Very interesting game with devastating drawbacks on both sides.

[@TheAkunoKage]

Not exactly. While the opponent wasn't allowed to save their king in that position, they're completely allowed to move some other piece, stay in check, and hope Eric's drawback prevents him from capturing the king.

[@WingedEspeon]

The game will let you move into check and not get out of check when you are in check.

[@kylebroflovski6382]

If the opponent had time, the followup was (funnily enough): Kxe7, BxKe7#

[@stepans2167]

That was a quing

[@VolodymyrRushchak-k6l]

Man, the last game was hilarious 🤣

[@maximepoca9396]

In my first ever drawback chess game, my opponent had that "Drag" drawback: your queen is a king. It moves like one, and if it's captured you lose" I don't remember mine but it was very bad, I couldn't play barely any move and I lost all my pieces exept my queen I was about to resign because it seemed like my drawback was way worse than his But at the end I tried playing a check with my queen, as well as attacking his queen, hoping he wouldn't see and blunder his queen somehow, or maybe hoping his drawback would show up and pake him lose somehow And obviously he just covered his King, I took the queen and won. I basically fork the kings 😂😂 And I couldn't stop laughing He really didn't hide his queen the whole game as well, I did even realised he only moved 1 square at a time but every move he made made sense Still my most memorable game of drawback chess today !

[@thetransferaccount4586]

this was very fun actually

[@pianomikey0]

Trying to figure out "Drawback ELO" brings to mind calculating THAC0

[@SuperGakman]

That last game was the greatest thing I’ve ever watched.

[@frankfrank3248]

I want big chess where has like 4 chess boards combined 16 by 16 and same peices just double them and the doubles just sit next to eachother but in their normal order

[@ic6406]

I'm going to wrap things up * Hilarious ending *

[@andreip.8321]

a pawn is considered a piece in drawback chess

[@danielyuan9862]

Yes

[@VictorAlbaa]

Only Forwards Mooves drawback should be named the Nezhmetdinov

[@julianlastname5730]

Last game was amazing

[@manmanman2000]

49:39 obviously he can't move to (a, b, g, h) files

[@twown]

"your queen is a king." Umm... then why did it check the opposing king rom distance??

[@TlalocTemporal]

Because it would give away the drawback otherwise. Staying in that check is free though, the queen cannot take. The only disadvantage is with check counting drawbacks.

[@twown]

@@TlalocTemporal I do appreciate that, but then it shouldn't say, "Your queen is a king." Kings don't give fake checks from distance.

[@TlalocTemporal]

@@twown -- Check isn't really a thing, it's just based on what can or cannot happen to a king. As far as the opponent knows, that's a real queen, and can really capture. Thus, the highlighted check QoL feature. That being said, it would be interesting if drawbacks that specifically count checks (thus making it a "real" mechanic) would not count "fake" checks as a method of discovering things, while leaving the check highlighting QoL as a naive expectation.

[@paulbrennan4163]

My drawback is to play someone with an ELO > 400

[@manmanman2000]

50:44 70. Nf1! ... Neg3, Nf5, Nh4, Ng3 bro

[@KralleZ7]

that ladyboy fiesta in the end :D

[@alberichhofmann1368]

why are all the players called like coloured animals? bots or non-account players?

[@Lnksy]

That’s just the default for anyone who doesn’t change it or make an account

[@vigilante8374]

It's dicewords designed to (in theory) be memorable.

[@szhzs6121]

word of advice: don't premove in drawback chess. what you think is forced might not be due to your opponent's drawback.

[@WhatsThePointPicture]

I understand why as an IM you're playing with low time gates but as a viewer I think it makes the content less enjoyable for Drawback chess. The entire lure of content like this is to watch you plan and outplay the deficit you've been given. In that kind of content I don't want to watch you win or lose on time, I want to watch you overcome the unreasonable challenge you've been given and if you're flagged then as a viewer I'm being robbed of that content and what could be very engaging endgames. Many of these challenges throw you into unfamiliar territory that make alot of your prep impossible to implement, I don't think it's unfair for you give yourself some extra time to solve these new and engaging challenges.

[@oro5421]

Why are these videos so old? Like, the website has been looking different for weeks now. Also, I’m still waiting for him to realise he could select a piece and see all its legal moves. Would’ve made things easier

[@loopingdope]

Going to guess that its just spread out content. I as a youtube viewer have no idea the content being "old" (which is fine). The same is with hikaru

[@renx81]

There is likely a huge backlog of streams to be converted into these videos. Editing takes time.

[@silvioparlanti]

Didn't know drawback chess. Seems a nice training tool for thinking out of the box. By the way, in the last game i think you missed mate in two: in 57:57 if your 134 move was Rb8+, the only response from black is Rc8 (the queen in a7 MOVES like a king, but still covers the 7° rank, as did in your 125° move in the 6° rank). Have been looking for blunders in this line and didn't find any, sorry if missed something. Amazing games, thanks

[@rocker1260]

It actually does not cover the 7th rank as you are free to step into check in drawback chess. King capture ends the game. Opponent must have realized by then that Erics queen is not a long range piece and could have escaped through the 7th rank.

[@silvioparlanti]

@@rocker1260 Haha, drawback chess is stranger that i thought. The possibility of stepping into check seems insane!. Thank you very much for your comment

[@shauryasingh9722]

second ??

[@HernanIbarra-m9w]

First?

[@valeriekeefe8898]

41:21 The degree to which we are inculcated ideologically, I do not even... The developers know this is a game where pawns become queens, right?