MY PORSCHE CAYMAN 987 HAS COST MORE MONEY | Porsche Running Costs |

When I started my channel I always said I wanted to share the ownership costs of owning. a Porsche Cayman 987 S 3.4, the ups and downs of ownership and be clear on what it costs to own an old Porsche. It is amazing how little these amazing cars can be bought for, with some cars selling for under £20,000 but with the risks of bore scoring, coolant pipes, air conditioning radiators among many other things. Is it worth owning an old Porsche?
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This time the Cayman went in for a routine MOT, never did I expect what came next...
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[@arthurmchan]

IMO for anyone owning an older European car, *and* you do not wrench yourself, you need to budget 2,000 every year of whatever is your local currency for ongoing repairs. In the case of an M97 motored car also the engine rebuild possibility.

[@ewilson8504]

Thanks for the update on the Cayman, Joe. I know for my ‘07 base, I expect a bill of at least $500US just because. Having them say “it’s going to be $1000” wouldn’t surprise me. It’s all part of yearly maintenance with my independent German car specialist in the Burbank. But it does add up. Best of luck and keep driving.

[@ThatCaymanGuy]

are you up in the SF valley?

[@ewilson8504]

@@ThatCaymanGuy Hollywood

[@420BudNuggets]

I wanna get the 987 and live in Burbank too. Who’s your car guy?

[@ewilson8504]

@@420BudNuggets yes you should. It’s great to just get around LA. I don’t have a commute so it works out. I take my 987 to Eurozone on Olive. Family owned and they’re good at not charging for things you don’t need. Then, of course, I get my wheel and alignment work done at Davis Brothers.

[@connorsdad1841]

Another great video Joe, awesome to hear opportunities are coming your way thanks to the growth of the channel. Re the cost of the springs, I've noticed during my ownership there's folk where the purchase of an £80k car is pocket change and then there's people like me that feel the kick of a £1500 service/clutch invoice! The Cayman/Boxster may well be the poor man's Porsche but there's no such thing as a cheap Porsche.

[@kw8757]

True…ask me how I know..

[@davidlinsky2423]

If that squeak comes back Joe, could be the parcel shelf. My independent Porsche garage knew exactly what was causing a squeak in that area on mine and put some fabric tape on the shelf corner. Instant cure!

[@buzzshytyear3358]

I've recently replaced my springs on my 987.... as a mechanic and welder/fabricator for 35 odd years, I can category say that I've never, ever had so much grief disassembling any suspension in all my life! I had to cut off one lower arm as the ball joint and the arm bolt was sized solid! I wanted to replace the anti roll bar links too but left them for another day.. again sized in the hubs. The problem is, you got steel bolts going into aluminum housings and this causes accelerated corrosion (electrolysis? Or galvanic? But the two dont mix well) literally welding itself together. 1000 quid..... not out of the realms of normal for this job. It took me HOURS!

[@FLATSTICK250]

Another good vid Joe, i always budget £500 for anything my car need, if was more not to much of a shock, if less a result. At the end of the day it is a 170mph car so has to be right but good independents are worth there weight in gold and let us normal people have great cars

[@GRfourfun]

That’s a chunky bill when not expected Joe, feel for you. I used to take my ISF to Lexus every year always thinking it will fly through, even at 12 years old, and it did every year for the 5 years I owned it 😉 Looking forward to the Audi video, looks like you’re getting noticed, good for you.

[@Roadrunner_1000]

Going to an official dealer is like going out at night searching for muggers

[@BikerBloke600]

You need to start learning how to do this maintenance work yourself and stop paying other people to do it. I myself have a CaymenS and do all my own maintenance which I have learned from KZbin and for me the Porsche Cayman is such an easy car to work on. I have replaced everything from Shocks, Springs, Discs, Pads Spark Plugs and Coil Packs and change my oil every 5k miles while saving myself a fortune on labour costs. Do yourself a favour and do it yourself and just think of the satisfaction you will get from it. Mick, Northern Ireland 👍🍻

[@EgG-xj6vh]

Hey Joe, thank God it was an MOT issue. At this point the car is at least 15 years old so things will wear out. Still a good price to pay for ownership if you enjoy the car, love the drive, and are not thinking of putting it away in storage hoping one day to make a killing on selling it.

[@brianiswrong]

At 6:00 I can help you justify a £1000 bill on your cayman. Our 2013 fiesta (108'000 miles) has a wet timing belt(it runs in the engine oil) and should be changed at 150'000 or 10years. So next year iam looking at a £900 bill on a £2'800 car,and I will feel absolutely no benefit on the road (atleast you get a quieter nicer ride 😀 bet you feel a bit better.

[@ThatCaymanGuy]

ouch Joe! that sucks! i'm glad its driving much better.

[@dingjs1969]

You got off lucky,!!My last MOT i had one broken spring, decided to get an H&R lowering kit, 200 quid, okay, tried to fit myself, no chance, as a 2005 everything was seized, my local independent wanted 350 quid, still alright..ish, then the phone call, the fronts had already been changed before i got the car and they had cross threaded the shock bolts so needed two front shocks and as mine has ajustable shocks 330 quid each.....arrhhh!!!!! To top it off as i left the alternator failed!! Every time i drive the car it reminds me of the two blokes in the the E type, 'great engineering i just wished it worked'.

[@horacebond9394]

Dang Joe!!! Hang in there, you are still ahead of USA as far as prices. You couldn’t get a car in USA for what you paid for yours. Everything here is higher, in fact so high I have shelved my 987 dreams and am now looking at TTS Audi which again are way higher in USA than they are in UK. Crazy

[@shoobidyboop8634]

I like porsches. I also like lighting cigars with $100 bills.

[@JoeTalksCars]

haha it is just the same isn't it? 😂

[@loganmarriott11]

Joe, could you clarify what you mean by broken springs rather unusual for the coiled spring itself to fracture and would immediately droop the suspension on that corner. Do you mean the dampers were leaking, or the spring perch was worn till it no longer retained the spring interface ? It helps viewers to know what exactly was the issue and the parts required to replace, as many have the ability to learn how to do some jobs themselves.

[@JoeTalksCars]

Sure. It was the actual coil itself. 3 of the 4 springs had lost the top part, we think it’s where water sits and rots them out. That coupled with the terrible roads means this is a common thing. To be fair my gold GTI has had the same :(

[@julian987r4]

the VAT is the killer. 💰in 🤝

[@tajneeley]

Price of being an owner.

[@AndyA1234]

Why didn't you replace the springs yourself? There are loads of DIY uploads on KZbin on how to do it. Look at ratarossa or Mat Armstrong who do their own repairs.

[@JoeTalksCars]

Good suggestion but after years if crawling under my last car (a Renault) I vowed to never lift a spanner again.

[@Z4coupeuk]

Defo could of changed 4 springs yourself mate 😂👍🏽

[@JoeTalksCars]

I wish, without a spring compressor and the willingness to do I would have found it hard.

[@stumccloy]

Hi Joe. Thanks for this video. My 9 year old 981 Cayman is due it's MOT this month. Hoping I don't get a similar bill!

[@colingreen2320]

As a subscriber and Fiesta owner, can you stop giving Fiestas a hard time - it certainly hasn’t got the kudos of owning a Porsche but won’t be too far behind down a good B road, has only cost me for routine servicing in four years of ownership and always puts a smile on my face. In fact if you offered me a swop, I’d stick with the ST!

[@JoeTalksCars]

Probably use them too much as an example, meaning standard fiesta, one of the best selling cars in the UK. Appreciate the ST 100% as I love hot hatches.

[@colingreen2320]

@@JoeTalksCars Bit of a trawl for you but suggestion for content; Sunday Scramble at Bicester Heritage - one scheduled for January 👍🏻

[@user-fx8dy2fw5y]

Hi Joe, great content. just asking how much does your indie car mechanic charge per hour? mine charges £95 plus vat on top .

[@JoeTalksCars]

£45 plus vat so not bad.

[@user-fx8dy2fw5y]

@@JoeTalksCars that is Brilliant

[@MadelnMachines]

Which independent are you using? Are you based in Lancashire? About £400-£450 for labour then I guess.

[@JoeTalksCars]

I’m using Arch Garage in Filey:)

[@mikesalkeld4465]

You should take up DIY. Expensive Porsches are to be expected, so take some of it on yourself. Be confident and save thousands.

[@mikesalkeld4465]

…and by the way, Mercedes are 1000% worse at hitting you with a big bill at an MOT…£1500 recently, so I took the work on myself and saved £1200.

[@JoeTalksCars]

I think I might! Would be good content too.

[@hendrix1ism]

I’ve had a set of standard 987 Cayman Springs for sale for a year, in great Nick I took them off when lowering my cayman 😬😊 enjoying your videos. I will be in the market for a cayman in a year or so. Good luck with it all. Yes I never had a bill for much less than £1000 😬😊 Graham.

[@JoeTalksCars]

Nice 👍

[@mattb4353]

Get your hands dirty and do the job yourself.

[@JoeTalksCars]

Should make for good content :)

[@chrisclokey4840]

What a shocker…..genuine Porsche parts from Porsche are expensive.

[@JoeTalksCars]

Yup. That’s what you get for owning an old Porsche 🤣

[@MrDemontrigger]

Don't fret, you will BOUNCE back. 😂 Sorry bad joke.

[@JoeTalksCars]

🤣🤣

[@robster6868]

That car is going to bankrupt you.Should’ve bought a z4 coupe,much more reasonable prices.

[@JoeTalksCars]

Absolutely! Just been to a garage today and got rinsed

[@robster6868]

@@JoeTalksCars Not again!Get a house with a garage and learn to work on the car yourself,not engine rebuilds though obviously.Not yet 😉

[@tettoproject]

Boring

[@JoeTalksCars]

Helpful comment👍

[@simonknight5531]

I feel your pain, Joe. I am coming up to 3 years 987.1 Boxster ownership. Never had a garage bill under £1,000. I entered this relationship with eyes wide open. I am on a modest pension, but I don't begrudge a penny spent because I love it.

[@jeffreyroberts7438]

I’ve got a 987 Boxster, had all four springs changed! Purchased the springs with discount from Porsche then got an independent to put them on. Porsche and BMW never have to change springs in Germany I’ve been told by both, it’s because our roads are so appalling that they break here!

[@growthcountry]

No thats bs, they use cheap springs lol 😄

[@Roadrunner_1000]

Either you are being ripped or porsches are thrown together

[@stevenvater8720]

Get yourself a decent integra dc5

[@aneildavis]

So, I am 2 years into owning a 2008 987.1 S, and yes, I researched the car/engine thoroughly prior to purchase. My criteria were, FPSH, PPI, low(ish) mileage, manual. I did pay slightly more than I had anticipated but that came with certain guarantees, plus the reputation of the seller. I replaced the tyres via the OPC, the cost of which was comparable to the GLA45's (£700). During it's visit to the OPC, they noted that the exhaust retaining bolts were corroded. I chose to have those replaced along with its MOT at a local independent garage (all ex OPC employees). During the MOT they noted that there was a small oil leak (RMS) and a similar leak from the air conditioning. Neither of these were addressed at this point, however the front brakes required replacing, I can't recall how much it was , but it was reasonable. Having agreed to the replacing of the RMS, given the age of the car and the fact that they would have to drop the engine, I elected to change the (original) clutch. Total cost, £1500. This year, it was due for it's 2 year service. As the car had a FPSH, I did contact the OPC...they quoted £1800 which as well as the service, included the cost of replacing the spark plugs. Wary that there might be more work required, I had to weigh up the cost vs the unblemished FPSH. I'm not selling the car... so I went back to the local specialist; their bill was £600 for the 2year service plus the ancillary work. I know owning a Porsche can be expensive... owning a GLA45 is expensive too!

[@my993c2s]

"I'd broken all 3!" Had me thinking for a minute

[@GRfourfun]

Me too ☺️

[@JoeTalksCars]

🤣🤣 soon as I did the edit I was like…why did I say that? Haha never mind

[@jerrymoorhouse6429]

I'm confused, you say rear springs were £186 + VAT for both, fronts were £210 + VAT for both, that's just under £480 incl VAT plus the cost of the MOT (approx £45), you must have had other things done to get to your bill of £937 incl VAT?

[@JoeTalksCars]

Probably wasn’t all that clear in the video. It was made up of labour after that.

[@bishopoftroy]

I payed almost 500 for new oem springs + work for my clio 3 rs so i think this is incredibly cheap.

[@JoeTalksCars]

Wow! Mind you I used to have a Renaultsport and they do cost a lot in parts! Renault like to overcharge for items that are off the Espace V6. My clutch for my R26R was actually from an Espace 🤣🤣

[@majorscope]

Hi Joe, I sold my Cayman when i priced up an MOT, a service, two new tyres without anyone finding a fault.Cost. £1000-00. They are fabulous cars but just money pits.

[@kw8757]

People buy these cars expecting to run them on Ford Fiesta money, comes as a big shock when reality comes home to roost 😂

[@tajneeley]

1000 for tires ? UK has it bad. They are a few hundred bucks here in the states.

[@strangerdanger8462]

​@@tajneeley What are you taking about? Full set of 20"s for a Cayman is North of $1.5k. That ain't cheap.

[@mrh6577]

The suspension springs broke on my 997 and come off whilst I was driving, I run over one of the spring sections when it broke off. As you can imagine a piece of suspension spring bouncing along the bottom of my car didn’t sound great. The car didn’t change its stance and drove absolutely fine, if I didn’t drive over the broken part I would have had no idea

[@NocturnalsFN]

Hm mmm 🤔

[@JoeTalksCars]

Money pit 🤣

[@Oldguydosestuff]

On springs Mitsubishi L200 pickup go through rear springs 10 years ago £450 to fix broken rear springs 🙈 2nd one I bought a few years later had just had rear springs replaced 😳 So your Porsche doesn’t sound that bad now 😉😂

[@JoeTalksCars]

haha they will be a huge part which is probably why they cost so much. Interesting that it broke them. If thats the UK it just shows how poor our roads are.

[@nick7602]

Hi Joe another great Vlog, when I had my Porsche I used a company called Centre Gravity, which If I remember rightly was recommended by a another member of Porsche Club GB when I was a member, I no longer own my 987 Cayman S Sport, but the guys at Centre Gravity checked all of the suspension components with vibration checks of the dampers including graphs, hand on heart it is the best £250 i have ever spent for their health check…..Pete will tell you the truth if a component needs replacing or not, and you go under the car with him and he will show you so no BS……worth every penny

[@VictoryHand]

Oof I remember driving to my major service at a Porsche garage Leicester and it was a cold winter morning and just got down the road and suddenly there was a crack noise and the power dropped massively. I was like well at least I'm on my way to a garage but jeeeze what's this gonna cost me. It had cracked the heads on 3cylinders. The total came out to £947.41 I was amazed it was so little and they fixed it all the same day as doing the service. It does help to get a reputable garage.

[@Matt-ud4bl]

You should have just changed the springs yourself. I've done this a number of times on cars. Despite having no experience at all the first time. An easy job with basic tools for any DIY mechanic. Loads of advice on KZbin. Do these types of jobs on a cayman and you'll save a small fortune.

[@growthcountry]

I understand your frustration I really do that's why I love your channel because I'm passionate about this car I still want to own it and you problems are probably gonna happen to me. 😄

[@crookedmustache6427]

Did you look into any aftermarket springs to improve performance and longevity? Other than just making the car lower?

[@Southerngeordie287]

Good old Porsche tax strikes again 😂

[@bou7990]

I had a mate who had a focus from early 2000s, took it for an MOT, £2k bill. The video from the garage was hilarious, not even sure the technician believed it as he went around every part and said “and that’s a fail”. Safe to say he didn’t go with the repairs at that point…

[@JoeTalksCars]

🤣🤣🤣 yeah I think that just shows how much all cars can cost

[@aggie3344]

At least yours didn’t suffer with bore score like mine! Absolutely shocking for a 80k mile engine with full history to fail. Never again will I own a Porsche unless it’s a GT product

[@JoeTalksCars]

🤣🤣 you might need to scroll back though my videos. It had the dreaded bore score too 🤣

[@momoshowcar]

Three broken springs??? Did they show you the “broken springs”? Sounds fishy to me. I agree you would have definitely felt that.

[@JoeTalksCars]

Yup 3 broken. Showed me. It was just the very top part, so not the main part of the spring. 4th one rotten and looking close to going too. Probably lost 4-5 inches of spring off each one.

[@MrRoyck10]

The running cost on the Porsche is exorbitant be it Cayman or 911, with my smoking on start ups problem on my 987.2 the car is out of warranty and I am at the mercy of my Porsche Indy trying to rectify the fault, the bill does pile up. It comes with Porsche ownership!

[@MadelnMachines]

And the .2s are the ‘reliable’ ones. How much are you into it for?

[@jeffreyb.1657]

Never heard of springs breaking like that.....seems like perhaps a bigger issue...defective OEM parts, etc. Not so sure P cars are nearly as reliable as the market wants people to think.

[@JoeTalksCars]

They just rot out at the top, from what it looked like to is the water just sits in a groove where the top of the spring is. The roads near me are so so bad. Every car I’ve had has had a set. My Golf GTI wasn’t that long ago it needed 2.

[@Commentator541]

You keep doing what you do bud. First time here, but you seem like an honest fella.

[@JoeTalksCars]

Thank you!! I try to be:) just say it as it is and give honest reviews on cars, especially my own:)

[@chrispig7748]

That’s no worse than the Mini Cooper I had, FSH and it was a disaster. Ironically I bought that instead of a Boxster. I thought the Boxster would be too mid life crisis. On the look out for a 987 Boxster now. Thanks for the video

[@JoeTalksCars]

Really? Yeah some Minis are meant to be fairly bad hope the Boxster hunt goes well!

[@chrispig7748]

@@JoeTalksCars just bought a 987 Boxster!

[@simasjermosenka6870]

Just a heads up, you exhaust most likely will go soon too! That's another 1k bill if you opt for Carnewal plus inport tax or 2-3k if you go after market that comes with free droning sound upgrade! Also front coolant hoses is another 500-600 in parts and they all need it doing!

[@JoeTalksCars]

😧 to be honest I’ve thought about all of this too. Scary but part of owning a Porsche. Least the exhaust failing means a nice upgrade and better sound.

[@simasjermosenka6870]

@@JoeTalksCars I forgot to mention the aircon condensers too, that's another 1.3k 😀 my rear wiper mechanism stopped working so not sure how bad that one I'd going to be... old porsche is the most expensive porsche you will ever own!

[@Bod1st]

Big costs but lovely car.

[@JoeTalksCars]

Yeah unfortunately that’s Porsche ownership for you. Especially old Porsche.

[@karlfoster8654]

did you have the tracking done

[@JoeTalksCars]

Nope :)

[@aboyandhisdog]

Bummer, Joe. Where did the springs break? I'm guessing the very top or bottom. Being a Yank, can you tell me what MOT stands for? They seem to be very thorough in their inspections.

[@leewatkeys9065]

Hi Tom in the UK once a car is 3 years old it has to have an annual roadworthiness test. It is referred to as MOT which stood for Ministry of Transport . 👍🏻

[@aboyandhisdog]

@@leewatkeys9065 Thanks a lot, Lee! How much does the inspection cost? Here (Colorado) we have to get an emissions test every-other year, but it is only $25. I kind of wish we had the MOT - there are too many junkers on the road!🤔🙃

[@brianiswrong]

@@aboyandhisdog The most a car mot can cost (for the test alone) is £59.55p Obviously most mot test facilities will charge less for the business.

[@wheelsandwatches]

Someone once said to me ‘just because a person can afford the price of the ticket to enter the theme park doesn’t mean they can afford the rides’. These cars were once a lot of money and maintenance will always reflect that. As always, folk need to do research and be aware of possible bills.

[@M_IkeLeBlanc]

I can only imagine your frustration, but at the end of the day you still have a great Porsche to drive. Most people can’t say that. Hang in there!

[@stevenvater8720]

Wait till you get a brake and pad service!!!

[@Baerchenization]

He should do it himself...

[@JoeTalksCars]

I might :)

[@strangerdanger8462]

Owning a Porsche is starting to look like masochism. Was going to pull the trigger on a 2014 Cayman but after researching routine service costs, and cost of replacing wear and tear stuff, i realized the Porsche tax is a real thing, and i don't want to pay it. I love cars, but i still prefer to own the cars, and not the have them own me.