My Reaction to Reason 13 Announcement

[@han1218]

Every time I see a Reason update list of features, I tell myself I’ll wait for the next update.

[@thenx5521]

reason 12 didnt interest me, and well reason 13 doesnt seem worth it neither. pretty sure they removed offline authorization for older versions just to force people to update since they cant seem to add features that enough people can justify the upgrade lol.

[@han1218]

@@thenx5521 It's good to jump by 2 versions. Reason 12 just looks better, has scalable interface. Any version before that is unbearable if you have a high definition screen.

[@Milan____]

Yeah, Reason 12 is gorgeous, the scalable UI _does_ make a difference in your workflow. The new UI in Reason 13 is a mixed bag, some good improvements there, the browser search is actually decent because now you have a better chance of meaningfully going through the 50'000 stock patches you get with Reason. The midi clip editing is still nowhere near as practical as Studio One, so I'm hoping future 13.x version upgrades will get Reason to at least catch up with the competition, since there isn't anything innovative going on anymore.

[@thenx5521]

@@han1218 yeah i could imagine it wouldnt look great on 4k screen with your windows scaling at around 150%, it looks fine with it at 100% tho, just really small. i will probably take the plunge tho at some point, hoping for some more features to get added to 13 in an update.

[@rodrigoperes4805]

​​@@thenx5521, waiting for online autorization lost when future versions are released

[@napynap]

Please dark mode for the SSL mixer.

[@Deenoboy4444]

I completely agree with you on that for sure! The original SSL mixer IS NOT WHITE! And I also hate the VU meters!

[@felipefs106]

They really should get some ideas from Fl studio's piano roll. I'm an ableton live user, but Fl studio's piano roll is so smooth.

[@Eric_In_SF]

Well, it’s for little kids who don’t know how to play music. Reason is a tool for musicians

[@felipefs106]

@@Eric_In_SF not sure if you have tried the latest versions, definitely very different from the Fruity Loops from 1998

[@whoknows6794]

​@@Eric_In_SFBS

[@Sam-yb9eb]

@@Eric_In_SFwhat a small mind … only yourself are the limit from making it for “a musician” not the DAW… today they are all capable !

[@techy9444]

Ableton's piano roll has actually surpassed FL's now with live 12. Actually it was already better than FL's in live 11, but now with live 12 its just pulled way ahead.

[@MillisecondFalcon]

Polytone and Ripley sound good but I'm not very impressed with the rest of the new features. Given how long it's been since 12 I was expecting more and really hoped they were taking the time to improve MIDI routing and MPE support to bring Reason up to par with many other DAWs. I won't be upgrading again and + is still too expensive for something I likely wouldn't use very often. I still wish they had an option of Reason with ALL the devices and NO sound packs as that would be the ideal middle ground.

[@iTrensharo]

They spent all of their efforts developing players like Chord Sequencer and synths like Objekt. Why put all that effort into developing one $199 upgrade (the "new" price, BTW), when you can sell thousands of people a basic $69 Chord Sequencer Player and a $99 Physical Modelling Synth? The release cycle is long because it increases the chances of them selling these things a la carte. If they released every year, people would hold off to see what was added, and by then lots of people will figure "ehh... haven't felt like it was necessary until now, so why bother?" The entire scheduling and pricing is calculated. Lots of people with Corporate Stockholm's Syndrome in these comments.

[@nomore6167]

Reason Studios is no longer about empowering musicians. It is solely about making profit. You can see that by their decision to block offline use for Reason 11 and earlier, which is clearly their attempt to force people to upgrade. And, of course, their aggressive marketing to coerce people into going with their subscription model instead of perpetual licensing.

[@xkidmidnightx]

Piano roll seems exactly the same. It’s just bad compared to other daws. At least show the pitch in the note, because it’s hard to tell what it is when it’s tiny. A fold option would be great too. I dunno why they keep adding synths. Everyone has to have all their bases covered by now.

[@mauquibzonedout]

That's all they offering😤

[@Retrodbryant]

😂 I feel the same way

[@HOLLASOUNDSMUSIC]

No, there will be more

[@coldskoolbeatz]

@@HOLLASOUNDSMUSIC oh yeah?🤔

[@johnmax5652]

What a nice sound Reason has. also you can hear the nice difference from their first emulation at 90's....

[@dezinerAhmad]

REASON is most different and Most powerful Idea but they have lost their way... But I still own it .... sounds awesome.. combinators and plugins are really good.. Thanks for the video

[@nomore6167]

"But I still own it " - You still own it, but can you USE it? Reason Studios disabled offline use for Reason 11 and earlier back in September 2023. In other words, they bricked the product years after purchase. Now, if you want to use Reason 11 or earlier, then it needs to contact their server for authorization every time you open it.

[@thenx5521]

@@nomore6167 that was the biggest L move they have done to date.

[@Macacos]

Try the delay demos by clicking the green FX buttons, you’ll hear the difference between dry and wet.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Not sure the midi control in the sequencer has changed enough, vs FL Studio but having the Midi and edit view apear below the arrangement window is a good improvement. Polytone is interesting, not a game changer but sounds good but aare those sounds anything that couldn't already be made with Combinators? They say they have totally designed the UI and DAW functionality but time will tell.

[@intricateinc8566]

You watchin all these videos as well ey fam? I'm still grabbing 11 suite, I have been so busy with work and trying to finish my new studio set up that I have not even upgraded yet. Not too many huge features on 13 but I do prefer a sped up workflow. Mind you the workflow is based on your knowledge and ability to interface with the DAW so I guess I will see how I like 11 next week and prob just upgrade again is not hard, only a few hundred aint breakin the bank.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@@intricateinc8566 I not just watching all these videos on Reason 13, I am making video's on Reason 13, I uploaded My video before this one and and several others, I went from Reason 4 to 12 lol, Yes I used 4 for nearly 15 years. Honestly I can make perfectly acceptable music in 4 to the point where people hear it and assume I'm using 12 as for My thoughts on Polytone thats in My video, I said it looks like a Monopoly, sounds like both a DX 7 and a OBXA. Yes all the sounds of Polytone can probably be done in Combinators.

[@intricateinc8566]

@@HOLLASOUNDS same homie, I started on Reason 1 in 2000, I was using Reason 7 for the last 10 years, I have made beats and drove around bumpin em and people think it's the radio. Reason has always been that little better quality DAW, they are just late to the party with their updates But I don't want to learn an entire new interface, MPC beats already stresses me out sometimes I just started with it lol, so...Reason Gang

[@intricateinc8566]

@@HOLLASOUNDS I will check your channel and subscribe

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@@intricateinc8566 Are you coming over My why? Continue the conversation over there brother.

[@shma1israel]

Hm, some QoL improvements there, nice, but so far certainly not enough for me to make the jump from my Reason+ sub (annual, bought at half price) to a perpetual license. Unlike Reason 12, 13 should at least include all the newer synths, like Object and Friction, and all the MIDI tools, to even make me start to consider buying.

[@Crencabeats]

working in Reason as a DAW is purely a nightmare for me, as a VST awesome.

[@blueeyedsoulman]

What DAW do you like?

[@Crencabeats]

@@blueeyedsoulman I love Studio One, but they're going the subscription model so I'm only using Cubase 13, a bit clunky but packed with features that suits me fine.

[@coldskoolbeatz]

Especially for mixing. I just can't...

[@LordOfSweden]

I tried others and I hate them. I like reason as a DAW. Studio one is also good. Rest is trash

[@LordOfSweden]

Im really excited for a reason update :D just discovered they had released 13

[@alden-t3888]

I'm very desapointed, I upggraded Reason in October and I need to pay again in june ? If I knew that I certainly waiting January to update !

[@realmchat6665]

I usually do wait til around the christmas/holiday season to upgrade, they usually have some nice deals and/or additional things you get. When I updated to 12, I got it at a reduced price with all of the players Prop Heads had made up to that point included.

[@forestsunset9617]

don't worry, you aren't missing out on hardly any improvements if you don't upgrade.

[@HOLLASOUNDSMUSIC]

Well that's just one of those things isn't it, so yes wait for the sale. There was 3rd off sales three times last year and one half price sale and two bundle deals one where they included all avilable players excluding Chord Sequencer.

[@mikamulperi]

upgrade when 14 comes

[@johnisrael5183]

it would have been so cool, if they made the Reason Mixer Black and changed the curves and tone over to an SSL 4000 E and added a 5 Band Stereo EQ and Tape Machine on the Way out before the Audio goes to the G Comp Compressor, at that Point youd be able to master on the Mixer itself...you would get Compression, Saturation and Full Perimetric EQ on the Stereo Signal going to the Out channel

[@Masssshysteria]

Honestly i would just like new GUI color options like ableton has. Ableton has all those custom skin templates you can download made by people . Makes it more interesting (maybe this is a shallow take lol) Other than that Reason's pretty solid

[@singalone7553]

A daw without any tilt EQ. An update that combines existing effect instruments and only changes the design. Poor level of updates

[@c0ctavepusakaclavebeatz]

U CAN GET A TILT FREE RACK EXTENSION

[@JesusSavedEveryone1T410]

Where's the Midi-Listen feature? How does Reason still not have this when Cubase, Ableton, and others have it? I don't always have the perfect idea down when recording. It would be nice if Reason could listen to every midi-touch and cache it somewhere so I can press a button and tell it to spit it out on a midi track for later picking and editing.

[@terrytheoldgoat]

I still don't understand why you can't allocate any midi channel from any midi input to a specific device. Multiple midi controllers with multi channel outputs are the norm now, I have to get round that inability by using Reason in Live.

[@bloodswarms]

Underwhelming is the word.

[@ThorstenSchaefer73]

It is a free upgrade for existing reason 12 owners? I am a reason 12 owner since last year.

[@nukenoly8751]

no

[@dustintheblacklight]

In terms of DAW functionality, clarity, straightforwardness, user adaptability and functionality, there are, of course, many competitors who are hard at Reason these days. In terms of engine, sound (yes sound is debatable), modularity, cables and equipment, especially the combinator, I don't yet know about Reason's serious SW competitor. It's quite obvious what type of users Reason is targeting today and what it is building its business on. Some are tempted, some are discouraged. Personally, I'll give version 13 a chance if it's not at the current price, but it's close to half the price. Sequencer and Pianoroll at the same time have long been a top requirement for me.

[@MRoyClark]

I know it sounds minor, but I wish they would update the optional track numbers.

[@Artek604]

There;s no track numbers

[@DeejayAfro]

track what?

[@MRoyClark]

LOLOL. Ooops. I meant track *colors*. I guess I was distracted when I wrote the original comment.

[@Artek604]

@@MRoyClark That makes more sense :D

[@jarvisjennings5043]

I don’t understand why everyone keeps saying in the comments “ do this like Ableton “ or “ do that like FL”… just go buy those DAWS then

[@iTrensharo]

I cannot believe people are upvoting this comment, which is nothing but weak, defensive cope form a delusional fanboy. 1. If everyone goes to another DAW for features, then Reason would be left with 500 users, and the company would fold. How would that benefit you. 2. The same features those users are asking for, you would rave about being "amazing" when they are added. You only react in this way because you are a defensive fanboy and want to deflect from the fact that these features have long been requested, and still haven't shown up - despite Reason Studios jacking up prices by 25%. Yes, the price has gone up, and the updates are still as laughably bad as they have always been. Congratulations. 3. Features like ARA2 and MPE are not "convenience" features anymore. They're necessities for a lot of people. Adding in another redundant synth and a Space Delay while rearranging the same basic MIDI Editor into a separate panel with some Tool Window stuff tacked onto it is not a massive workflow overhaul. It's a minimum effort update that delivers value where Reason needs it least, while still failing to deliver value where it needs it most. At the end of the day, I find responses like this hilarious. They don't realize just how toxic it is to the product community, as many people will not see reason to stay invested in a product that has a small community filled with delusional fanboys that cope and ask them "Why are you here?" whenever they give negative feedback about a company not delivering what so many of their users are asking for. That's the whole point of buying a product and investing in upgrades - so that the developers can deliver what the users are asking for. Who asked for another VA Synth? Who asked for a Space Delay? The MIDI Editor panel is fine, but overall it doesn't really improve the MIDI Editing in Reason, which is fundamentally where it is so terrible compared to other DAWs. Technologically, the DAW is still several years behind other DAWs. Why is it bad that users harp on these developers for not delivering, when these same developers have made excuses about jacking prices up 25% and you guys have gone out of your way to generate justifications for that? If the users see themselves as being taken advantage of - and I think this is definitely happening with this product - and the community is just going to give them a pass on it... Why should they not drop this product like a hot potato and move onto competing product lines? That's my direction. Investing into this level of economic disrespect is masochism. Enjoy that. I cannot get over these disingenuous comments, and how many people are willing to upvote them.

[@jarvisjennings5043]

@@iTrensharo You seem like the fanboy you wrote an essay. If yall complaining so much learn to Code and create your own DAW. Dude called me a fanboy then wrote an essay to a dude who has used all DAWS and reason. BIG KRIT and DJ TOOMP here in ATL introduced me to Reason in person lol. You definitely the most feminine dude I’ve seen so far this year . The point is YOU CANT satisfy everyone. Some love reason some don’t. Having a COMPLAINING type spirit is not Leader like so I know you not a leader. If reason isn’t providing what you’d like after so long then go find something that does. Most of all Grow you some NUTS 🥜

[@dustintheblacklight]

@@iTrensharo Thank you for your comment. I fully agree with you. But.. You know that all is about business and Reason stuff knows who their current users are. Reason with the device/modular approach is still special in many ways and they profit from it.

[@MatsumuriMedia]

​@@iTrensharo Entitlement at its finest. All you do here is name call and complain that a company is not catering to your whims. The point the poster is making is, if you don't like the direction of this product and would rather have the features of another product then go there and stop spreading your negativity here. Which funny enough even you agree with in the end. "Why should they not drop this product like a hot potato and move onto competing product lines? " Your name calling and sarcastic tone are far more toxic than the post you replied to. But I imagine you won't see it that way. For me personally, I enjoy Reason for the devices and modular workflow. The DAW is not the highlight for me. I am happy they spend their time focusing on the devices because they are some of the best devices in my tool box. I use Reason as a plugin inside of Ableton live because I appreciate the time the devs at Ableton have spent on the DAW and the way it works and integrates with my hardware. Maybe try appreciating what you have instead of complaining about what you don't. Also it is good to remember that Reason is a company who can create whatever software they want and it is up to you to decide if you like it and want it. It is not your place to tell them how to make their software.

[@HOLLASOUNDSMUSIC]

​@@iTrensharoSuper long comment but I'd just like to say that Reason Studios says that what they have shown so far is not everything. We will have to wait to find out.

[@zakaroonetwork777]

,but can you open plugin inserts on each channel from the mixer?

[@coldskoolbeatz]

no... That would make mixing in Reason much more tolerable for me, dependant on its implementation.

[@song23ministries]

Just hope my NI Komplete 14 stops crashing when I want to re edit the patches. A little frustrating. Love Reason 12+ and Komplete 14.

[@sacitp]

hello from Türkiye; I started using studio one due to a similar problem; but reason is indispensable. There are some problems, I will be very happy if these are fixed.

[@zakaroonetwork777]

Sequencer Sit is the number one reason I never bought it yet. I hope each element can do full screen with a keyboard shortcut cut.

[@MNolanMillar]

Finding sounds of a specific type has always been a major headache in Reason. I've wasted hours browsing sounds looking for certain types of sounds. However it is also actually kind of fun to explore a variety sounds. It's just no fun when you're after something in particular. The interface and workflow updates were needed, but the devices really aren't that inspiring... though the side chain/ducking and stereo devices might be useful if they can quickly get the desired results.

[@n.l.541]

Does it work as plugin to Logic and Cubase?)

[@tomscully7489]

Yes, it has for a while now.

[@paradoxic1888]

I only like Reason for Beat Map because in Bitwig it gives you super powers. Much of the new features are easy to create in the Grid, and exist in the stock devices to some extent.

[@leestanford2452]

Yes! Beatmap controlling the drum kit in bitwig with the modulators randomizing the beatmap parameters make for endless drums! No one seems to even recognize bitwig and it’s probably the most powerful DAW.

[@paradoxic1888]

@@leestanford2452 Finally someone who is on the same wavelength. Add 2 or more Beat Map plugins and you can map it to even more drums in a rack with different maps to create even more variety between different flavors/genres. Or even better, map ADSR Sample Manager's randomization parameters to individual drum racks so you can randomize each sample or the entire drum rack.

[@duartecancela]

The future of Reason it's use it as a Rack inside other DWA's! hands down...

[@Tapper1969]

It's already possible to edit velocity using the pen tool to drag it up and down. If you highlight the notes you want to edit then you can redraw multiple velocities of specific notes. I much prefer Reason's editing to Logic and Ableton plus Reason sounds way better.

[@Nenko_Music]

Yep Im waiting for my beta !

[@lm72swe]

I would like to Beta test where is the link?

[@jamesbrecknell]

How are the notes too small and not easily adjusted? Ctrl + mouse wheel to adjust note height. My opinion so far is that compared to Cubase, you can nudge notes small distances more easily, you can see the grid better, you can expand the MIDI editing area to full screen height better, the interface is less cluttered, the playhead position area is easier to select, and you can get a better view of controller lanes more easily. Sure, you get more customizable options in Cubase, and Cubase seems to be seen as the king of MIDI editing. But out of the box the most important MIDI editing features in Reason are virtually identical to those of Cubase, but with less clutter.

[@justincaldwell2527]

Recently had to free up space on my PC. I had way too many DAWS and VST etc. One of the things that was first to go was R 12. I have been using Reason off and on for decades. I upgraded to 12 with a fondness for nostalgia after not using it for years since R 9. I quickly remembered why I stopped using it. It causes me anxiety. The decision paralysis it causes it too much. The modular concept and patching was novel at first but quickly grew tiresome. Even workflow and auto patching updates didn't help. That mixer was a feast for the eyes but a beast of burden. Reason is definitely a niche product for me that I just can't get into. It was tying to hard to be the studio in the box with look and feel. With that said, I'll update to R13 because even as I was writing this my fear of being left out started to creep in and R 13 may just be what I need in life?

[@iTrensharo]

Agree. I uninstalled it from all of my computers. It serves no purpose other than to waste 20GB of storage on my system SSDs.

[@timdraper4559]

So, if you already have Reason 12, will there be a discount?

[@nukenoly8751]

sure

[@desmondquick1458]

They should have added stem separation,if not in the DAW,they should redo Reason Recycle and add stem separation,that would great also

[@nukenoly8751]

Why? No one needs shitty sounding stems

[@user-by3tf2qq1t]

He's right. Leave AI for where it belongs - in scammy youtube videos

[@PrimaudiaRecord]

It sounds like the stereo widener tool will be able to convert a mono signal. The Mclass version can't do that.

[@Eric_In_SF]

So I’m supposed to sit here for 12 minutes and watch you talk about something I could just read on my own in about six minutes :-)

[@koncreteto2758]

Reaso stopped being reason when it was no longer propellerheads, it died along time ago and I won't be upgrading, who remembers when we got a full free upgrade after tye version we already purchased ? Who remembers the name your price offers ?

[@HOLLASOUNDSMUSIC]

There are many things they do or don't do now, by the way the company is still called propellerhead and that name is still in the installer's and Terms and conditions. Reason Studios is a public name as a trademark.

[@nomore6167]

I imagine they're counting on upgrades from people who can no longer use their purchased copies of Reason 11 and earlier since Reason Studios disabled offline mode (which is almost surely illegal, since that was a feature of the product when it was purchased).

[@user-by3tf2qq1t]

​@@nomore6167Keep preaching brother!😂

[@koncreteto2758]

Your dumb AF i can use reason 6.5 just by logging in, even if they kill that i have ignition key go figure woke guy​@nomore6167

[@koncreteto2758]

​@HOLLASOUNDSMUSIC you really don't understand what I mean so plz F off thanks

[@polyphonics557]

Hmmnn.....I wonder what the upgrade cost will be? There's not really anything there that I'm gagging for.

[@tgoodjenkins]

Likely 169$ for a 20$ update.

[@juanguevara978]

I think reason is cool. The only thing I hate is that it installs the sound content on the c drive. I dont want to always have to do junction links. I got reason 12 but I uninstalled. Let me install sounds where I want.

[@Besaid_]

the midi editing and general sequencer design is still not enough. I'd defer all other additions and changes JUST in favor of making the music-making process streamlined and with options that other DAWs provide. coming from something like Cubase, it's just not comparable when it comes to putting music on the timeline and editing it. I wish I didn't have the use the Reason rack and could work solely in Reason as it's by far my favorite DAW in the sense of the general design. the sequencer is just not enough

[@electrowayne2918]

I hold the record for the longest ignored feature request. What is it ?The option to change the freaking Metronome sound. been asking since reason 5 😂 we are talking 1 day of coding work here . Just open source it already. Us users will make reason what we want. I do still love and use it though .I’ll still upgrade to 13. But this update is lack luster imo.

[@DJAdalaide]

why upgrade if its a lackluster update? vote with your pocket

[@electrowayne2918]

@@DJAdalaide I've been a user since Version 4. I use it, it makes me money ect.. So while I agree 100% with your sentiment. I'll answer that question with a question. Has that worked in the past when dealing with them? I'm going with no. Not really. This is why they've copped out to being a plugin to other Vst's that get it. I.e. Cubase, Abelton ect.

[@transaphonic]

Totally agree with you. Reason could have so many low hanging fruit features that would really put it next-level that DAWs like Reaper have done that would take a few days of manpower. The DAW updates are mainly just UI updates which is just a pity.

[@electrowayne2918]

@@transaphonic Exactly! Like if they just spent a year-doing the grunt work in UI updates and features. They would be rewarded with a much larger user base in return.

[@Barney-ii1no]

that is something I really dont care about

[@willieelliott352]

I would love to be ablet o use my native maschine without having to load the Maschine software, be a true vst with the Reason sequencer

[@tolwyn_doom]

If I *upgrade* to 12, from 11, do I get 13 free?

[@thenx5521]

thats what it says on their site, upgrade to 12 now and get 13 when it drops.

[@tolwyn_doom]

@@thenx5521 thank you

[@finnie]

new sidechain tool looks good, always been a lot of hassle in Reason compared to other DAWS

[@Barney-ii1no]

not at all, I have a sidechain combi preset that I just load and hey presto

[@MarianoPerez]

Im torn between reason for its instruments and komplete ultimate.

[@mpcbeats]

Reason Studios sold its core fan base out by overcharging for the update , not to mention the bugs that Reason 11 had , Reason 10 is the last version of Reason that was dope!!

[@bentleysportraits]

I wish you could explode drum tracks without having to manually patch everything

[@Tapper1969]

You can. Open the tool window and it's at the bottom under extract notes - highlight the lane and click explode to create separate lanes of each note or drum type.

[@andersistbesser]

I own reason since version 1 ! I bought it together with ableton live 1 but i never used reason because it was so complicated and clunky compared to ableton. Nowadays i use reason as a rack inside of ableton. Reason has some unique devices. Its a good rack but i still dont like the sequencer.

[@Mixxwizard]

I totally agree, I've been using Reason since 2.5 & rewired to Ableton or Pro tools. Having Reason's Racks in Live 12 is a win-win having the best of both worlds in one DAW, in my opinion.

[@RockieTorres-f2k]

I got 12 but I'm definitely upgrading maybe subscription not sure

[@user-by3tf2qq1t]

No, please don't buy into the subscription - it will end us all))

[@Dingdongbillybong]

Do they have the ability to send midi clock through USB to more than one hardware device ? Any added compatibility for other controller companies such as arteria. Mk2 I switched to bitwig . Plus reason usb clock out is useless . My pa700 will not work usb midi clock out however bitwig does multiple outs . So glad I chose bitwig over Ableton. Check out bitwig I like what they're doing in the background. They surpassed reason in Ableton in so many ways. And they'll catch up when it comes to audio editing trust me. It is so awful how reason totally ignores it's audio interface engine and its midi interface to engine. Maybe you can mention this to the reason team . Maybe higher bitwig help the mud a little

[@siro5838]

I think I will go to Logic Pro now. so much less cpu usage with vets.. its unbelievable

[@Tapper1969]

Logic sounds too processed and compressed; it has a very digital sound which sounds too muddy to my ears.

[@iTrensharo]

@@Tapper1969 I don't think Logic is the problem. Logic is transparent. The only way to end up with a "too processed" or "muddy" sound is due to your use of plug-ins in Logic - by overprocessing your sound of creating a muddy mix. That's a you problem, if that's the case. There are better SSL Channel Emulations on the market than Reason's. It's not hard to get a similar or better emulation of that console in Logic Pro. I mean, Plug-in Alliance's emulations are pretty cheap, better, and don't tie you to the sound of a specific console. You pick and choose the one you want to use. e.g. SSL 4000 for Rock, or 9000 for Hip Hop, etc. In any case, thing DAWs like Sonar and Luna have arrived at a fairly good middle ground with things like ProChannel or LUNA Extensions, and Cubase has a Channel Strip that is pretty similar. I think something like that would be nice, as well. That way, you get the benefits of a transparent mixer with the benefits of the colored processing layered on top of it. In any case, Logic's stock plug-ins are a particular advantage over Reason, as it's quite weak there. Lots of instruments (which Logic matches and even exceeds), but not much else. It depends on what you're looking for, but running around claiming Logic sounds "overprocessed and muddy" doesn't really help your case. I can guarantee you there are more tracks produced in Logic being played on the radio than tracks produced in Reason... and if you could do better simply by using another DAW, you'd have some there as well... but you don't 😐

[@lxuaes6915]

I hope you're on Reason's payroll

[@jaykool8107]

i see no reason to upgrade to reasons 13. i need reasons to add some film features for film scoring and better sound packs.

[@nukenoly8751]

not the DAW for film scoring... use Cubase/Nuendo

[@jaykool8107]

@@nukenoly8751 i also have some people that use logic for film scoring!! i need reason to step they game up!! #ijs

[@dmrm2161]

Reason is so far behind other daws

[@nukenoly8751]

but so charming and fun...

[@terrestrialgoldfish2700]

It’s 2024. Where’s the AI???

[@nukenoly8751]

Using the beta now and it is the best Reason ever Sure nothing groundbreaking but it is what it is: REASON FUN

[@juicerox]

So pumped for this version.. I've wanted sequencer and editor upgrades for the longest time! This is the most excited I've been for a Reason upgrade in forever.

[@ruff2007]

Hope They Keep Block Mode,.Thanks For The Video Take Care.

[@atomaalatonal]

lot of work to sort samples? in ai times?, i doubt that ;P

[@gtubgle]

There's nothing here man. Not upgrading unless it's under 100 to upgrade

[@nomore6167]

Reason Studios should be avoided at all costs for the simple fact that they made Reason 11 and earlier completely inoperable if offline, and they did this several years after purchase. They did this by shutting down the system of offline authorization, so if you use Reason version 11 or earlier, it needs to contact Reason Studios' server for authorization EVERY TIME YOU OPEN IT. Want to make music when your Internet connection goes out or when you're on the road away from Wi-Fi? Too bad, you can't.

[@nukenoly8751]

Use 12 or now 13

[@nomore6167]

@@nukenoly8751 "Use 12 or now 13" - Reward them by giving them more money, and then get trapped when do the same thing again, thus perpetuating the cycle? No thanks. I skipped the subscription because I *DON'T* want to keep shelling out money every year. Maybe you're okay with a company intentionally breaking your purchased product years after purchase, but I'm not. I'll switch to a DAW from a company that actually values its customers.

[@obiraf]

Nothing of any real value to Reason Rack users. Maybe the browser but it's hardly worth a upgrade IMO. I also see nothing that would entice me to use Reason as a DAW again.

[@Mhj-76]

I wish they would've implemented more Ai, why not have something like Suno Ai built in to generate tracks with devices as a starting point or for inspiration 🙂🎶🎵

[@rdavis1656]

strum feature?

[@myst2536]

Reason has the best sequencer!

[@whoknows6794]

Not even close.

[@tymantis]

Are you serious?

[@myst2536]

@@tymantis 100% its just something that im use to. I found the sequencer in ableton and logic a bit weird. Studio one's sequencer feels kinda similar I'd say

[@leefoster4171]

As per previous comments in this thread-Piano Roll has to be improved as it is poor in relation to a lot of other DAW's

[@deanc2000]

No Ableton style clip launcher? Who's running the show there? ALL DAWS THAT HAVE ANY WORTH AT ALL HAVE CLIP LAUNCHING FUNCTIONALITY NOWADAYS. Also, the pitch correction system is not as good as Melodyne, and its actually very confusing.

[@Carpenter0102]

I hate clip launchers

[@InVisionsynthmindscape]

@@Carpenter0102 😁👍

[@OddScienceHarry]

The new browser Is fine for some people but not for my workflow and probably they won’t give the option to keep using the old style with all My carefully made favorites lists with devices and patches and folders sorry but that makes me quite angry, I get it for newer users but it’s not a workflow upgrade for me so 12 will probably the last update I bought

[@napynap]

I'm wondering about that too. Now I have to come up with the right search term for a sound, instead of auditioning a sound with a cool name.

[@CN-qn5tz]

Heads up all, the "free mixing template" is just clickbait to buy this guys Reason course. Saved you the clicking around for nothing...

[@mecd4167]

Sad Sad Sad Update. This update is worse than v12 update, and v12 update was piss.

[@ignite137]

It's clear that the focus hasn't been on the sequencer since Ernst left the ship. In my opinion, the MIDI editor is the worst of all DAWs. It's been outdated for more than 10 years, ever since Reason 9! However, Reason still sounds absolutely great, and the mixer (SSL G type) is still amazing. But I use it in Reason Racks within Reaper. I stopped upgrading since they introduced Reason+. While it's true that "for every FX there is a rack," there's now also an alternative VST or a Reaper script. Thank you.

[@perspers2030]

If they don’t add a simple punch in punch out 👎🏾Reason could be a great daw. They just don’t listen and implement. I’ve hoped for years and finally gave up on em. They always seem to give what they want not what we want and need. Some ole same ole. I see the email and got excited. Only to read and smh. Hopefully I’m wrong. (There goes that hope again). Lol

[@Kh4rma]

The future of reason 😂 As a reason 1 - 12 user. Reason is dead in my opinion.

[@cryptoholica72]

Point to where we can find your songs.

[@captchaclicker8566]

He’s not asking for a sponsorship, he’s stating an opinion. Most users of any DAW aren’t going to have much or any published music. And Reason (like all developers) need to take their opinions seriously because they are the majority of customers.

[@illyph9963]

They could literally change nothing else, and I’d still be faithful, but GOD PLEASE give me a vid playback track, don’t need editing or anything, just to sync audio n work on foley/score stuff🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 please reason lol

[@iTrensharo]

Foley? Like, Post sound design work? A DAW is unusable for that without Surround and Spatial Audio Support. You need at LEAST Surround... the market has progressed beyond that, though. For simple film scoring... sure, that'll work. But other DAWs are so superior for those workflows that it isn't even worth them caring about that at this point - considering how far behind they are in so many areas. Rack that shit into Pro Tools or Nuendo, IMO.

[@musicproduction4787]

Thankfully I am still on V11, id be livid if i went to v12. To be honest all use the V11 for is to record audio. No way will I buy v13.

[@nomore6167]

"Thankfully I am still on V11" - In case you weren't aware, they disabled offline authorization for Reason 11 and earlier in September 2023. If you installed it and enabled offline authorization prior to that time, then it will continue to work on your computer. However, if you get a new computer or need to reinstall Reason for any reason, then you will no longer be able to use offline authorization, and Reason will need to contact their server for authorization every time it is opened. In other words, they bricked it years after purchase. For that reason alone, I will never purchase another product from Propellerhead/Reason Studios.

[@CaptainProton1]

What a let down, hardly a full number update. A couple of plugins and better browsing Meh.

[@whitelionmuzikproductionz9725]

Reason at its best is a Plugin !!.. 70% of people use it that way now and no it’s not in the same league as the big 4.. it’s a boutique plugin.. faster browser a upgrade in 2024??🤣🤣🤣

[@Lofilegacybeats]

What's the big four

[@hellotcautiver]

@@LofilegacybeatsAbleton, FL, Logic, idk about a fourth lol

[@immortality9613]

So there's two browsers now - that will be $299 please.

[@LifeIsRythm]

Toy of all toys!

[@richardbates4120]

this guy is the pre 2007 version of paris hilton. However he could be super valuable to us lowly reason users. my anti shill alert went off. I want to be wrong.

[@DragonRapstarBeats]

We need a Rack extension to generate loops with IA.

[@user-by3tf2qq1t]

Not if we want people to be able to make a living from producing

[@th3pr0ph3cy3]

Dont see where the sense is to talk about what they published on their Website. I can read for myself, no need for someone else to read it for me...

[@r.b.6432]

I WANT TO BE A BETA TESTER

[@busywl69]

Considering what other DAWs give you per number upgrade seems 'business as usual' for Reason Studios. WHo doesn't have mind blowing VST synths by now? Long time Reason only users have been screaming for housekeeping updates and improvements forever and I just don't think they get it when it comes to the competition. They make a new device then never update the functionality either. LIke making Mimic more like Dr Rex in being able to play sliced waves at any tempo. Afterall DJ software does this with ease and its 2024, the recycles pimping days are over. A simple right click route individual drum machines outputs to separate SSL channels. POOF! Time saved. A new poly synth? Who doesn't have massive sounding VSTs now? I was hoping this was an all housekeeping update. But it looks like more of the same. They HAD to address the browser by the way. You cant tag anything. Searches take for ever. Looking for things from old songs take forever. I wished more people worked for Reason Studios who could address these things. For $199 upgrade charge I expect way more considering what FLStudio owners I know get for free.

[@Dingdongbillybong]

Try bit wig .. get the full package .. well worth it .. reason works well as a vst .

[@fiddlestickzmuzik]

haven't been to this channel for a while now and I remember why, what a bunch of moaners in the comments.

[@Dingdongbillybong]

Seems your moaning about moaners . Go buy the 13 and enjoy then . I think you're better off with reason plus actually

[@mr_unsane]

in otherwords, if you are a loyal Reason user and bought your version of 12 when it came out the GET F%$&D we gonna give a free upgrade to the new customers.......help it make sense

[@Dingdongbillybong]

Convinced some ex apple marketing kids took over reason . The lacking audio and midi functions are totally overlooked . I've moved to bitwig .. you can send usb clock out to multiple gear . What's lacking in bitwig will soon be addressed.

[@thegoodsherman]

No mpe,no bye again

[@__1t__1__r3]

just hurry up and make it like ableton LOL

[@dj2bklyn]

So still no midi channels stil no video they are a joke now

[@dj2bklyn]

THIS IS BULLSHIT

[@rharris0820rh]

Nope.

[@joachimkyek1437]

👎👎👎👎👎

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Not sure the midi control in the sequencer has changed enough, vs FL Studio but having the Midi and edit view apear below the arrangement window is a good improvement. Polytone is interesting, not a game changer but sounds good but aare those sounds anything that couldn't already be made with Combinators? They say they have totally designed the UI and DAW functionality but time will tell.

[@iTrensharo]

The only thing they did was put it in its own window. The actual MIDI Editing is practically the same. Some of the Tool Window stuff has been docked alongside it. Yea, it's a workflow improvement, per se. But the capabilities of the application are still basically identical to Reason 12. It's just a rearrangement of some elements. Worthless upgrade to me. Literally zero value delivered. I don't need more synths, and I don't want more synths. But... CABLES?!?!?!?! Sorry, no. Virtual Instruments and plug-ins are some of the lowest value additions you can add to a DAW, these days. Look at the market, and the "Discount Economy" we're in for music production plug-ins and virtual instruments. For $199 I need Core DAW improvements that actually move the platform forwards and give me more creative reach or deliver higher levels of convenience: ARA2, MPE, External Audio Editor Support, Improved Windows Audio Support, Vector GUIs and Scaling, Configurable Content Install Location, Surround/Spatial Audio, Video Support, Better FX Automation Workflow, Track Folders, Better Sequencer-Mixer Synch, Articulation Maps, Theory Tooling in the MIDI Editor, VST MIDI Out support, etc. At this point, I'd rather produce in Pro Tools Studio than Reason 12. Unironically, those developers are delivering ACTUALLY USEFUL features and not just more redundant devices. Looks like Avid got the better investor. I am not supporting this.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@@iTrensharo Interesting thought right there, yes it does apear to be alot of cosmetic changes but not alot of changes or additional options for midi or audio editing, and I agree We dont need anymore devices, especially by Reason Studios them selfs because all they are doing by making there own devices is competing with the 3rd party RE developers. There has been multiple instances where there will be a 3rd party RE and then Reason makes device on the same idea, for example Chord sequencer the Reason Studios Chord sequencer basically kills off the market for the 3rd party one that already exists. The new Effects devices by Reason are all things that exist either as REs or Combinators made by 3rd partys, that new Poly synth sounds good but what about REs made by Mix food, and Synapse audio, who both have great vintage REs. Why dont Reason Studios work with those 3rd partys and let them desighn and develope the REs then they could spend all there time improving the DAW.

[@iTrensharo]

@@HOLLASOUNDS They have worked with third parties. A lot of their stuff was designed by developers like Soundiron and Softube. I just - PERSONALLY - don't care about that stuff because I already have too many Synths, Too many Virtual Instruments, Too Many Sample Libraries and Too Many Plug-ins... and anyone SERIOUS about music production quickly gets to that point once they enter into this market. They just aren't worth high upgrade prices. For Comparison... Cubase 13 Added Plug-ins and Instrument Libraries, but they also added: Completely redesigned the Mixer and added in the Channel Tab, Revamped the Range Tool in the MIDI Editor, Multi-Part MIDI Editing and Visibility Tab to the Key Editor, Improved their Chord Pads, Spectral Warp to the Sampler Track, Improved MIDI Step Input, Refreshed the design of their MIDI FX, added MIDI 2.0 support, Hardware Video En/Decoding, Window Management overhauls on Windows OS, and Improved Routing Options... All of that, for a $99 Upgrade Cost on an 18-month development turnaround. Effectively gaining ground on competitors like Reason Studios (more offered in upgrades on top of an already better feature set, at a lower cost with more frequent upgrade releases). Reason isn't even really competing at all, at this point. And that's ignoring the Sample Packs, Plug-ins and Instrument Libraries they added: Iconica Sketch, 5 really good Sample Packs, Vocoder, BlackValve Tube Compressor, Pultec EQ Emulations, Vocal Compressor, VocalChain. Comparing that to a basic rearranging of the MIDI/Clip Editor (which is a workflow improvement, don't get me wrong), a new FX, a new redundant synth and 3 utility devices... for [presumably] twice the price... It's disrespectful. I see Rack as the only way forwards, frankly, and that depends HEAVILY on what you own outside of Reason. Most of my stuff is not a rack plug-in, so Reason 12 was uninstalled. No point keeping it installed. The sequencer is cooked. It's just never going to get to a point where it can legitimately compete with what competitors have on offer. Competitors are already ahead, and moving much faster than Reason Studios is. It's falling behind despite still being in development.

[@iTrensharo]

@@HOLLASOUNDS If FL wasn't so mediocre for studio work, people may take that more seriously. Yes, the Piano ROll is nice. Beatmakers love it, but its workflow and feature set is that of a groovebox with some studio DAW features grafted on top. It's still missing many of the same quality of life features people want in Reason, and then some. And the Mixing workflow is @$$ on top of that. It's not an alternative to Reason, in my mind. Reason's players don't compete well against third party options like Scaler 2, Kirnu, Cthulu, etc. What they do to get around this, is limit MIDI Routing for VST plug-ins to make Rack Extensions the only practical choice in Reason's sequencer. So, users end up paying more money for worse tools just to get something that functions in the way they want it to. They continue to maintain this while other DAWs are implementing VST/AAX MIDI FX Support. Weird.

[@terrestrialgoldfish2700]

It’s 2024. Where’s the AI???