My response to English for Everyone

[@improveyourenglishwithevelyn]

Please note: I will not be responding to any criticism made by EFE in the future unless Liza goes live and speaks normally, without a script, for at least 30 minutes.

[@GgM-bs1fu]

That's the reasonable thing to do, I would personally love to watch her speak without a script, perhaps for longer than 30 minutes.

[@Yamila-dh4fo]

The entitlement smh. It doesn't matter if she sticks to her scripts as long as what she's doing is on point and correct.

[@Saha9800]

Evelyne, everybody may make mistakes, both native or non-native speakers. I have even seen mistakes in English dictionaries! English for Everyone has mistakes too, and I have left comments below their videos correcting them. So, if English for Everyone finds fault with your videos, you need to answer if they are wrong because if you don't, we would assume they were right! Instead of talking about their approach, please make "short" videos and clarify if they're right or not so that we learn something! We're here to learn correct English. Although way too long, this video was very interesting and informative.

[@klebialc]

Why do you want Liza to go live? She does a great job being very careful about what she teaches. They wouldn't have criticized Dave if Dave hadn't started doing it against EFE first.

[@goyam2981]

I will tell you guys as someone that lived in the US for over 20 years. You don't think about what's correct or what's wrong when you speak. The goal is to strive to speak without having to think or translate or compose anything in your head before speaking, and also to speak "natural English" that doesn't cause misunderstandings or throw native speakers off. The kind of correction that Kevin and Liza are doing can be a bit too much and causes learners to be too conscious about everything. It can be a hindrance to your speaking naturally. Just keep this in mind.

[@josecontreras7153]

I think English for Everyone is doing an amazing job pointing out English grammar and pronunciation mistakes. Learners are really thankful to this channel.

[@sciavash]

They make mistakes too and therefore I don't think they're credible.

[@josecontreras7153]

@@sciavash I love their channel 🤷‍♂️

[@sautgultomchannel9253]

@@sciavash Would you please point out to the mistakes they have made ?

[@federicoarroyo]

@@sautgultomchannel9253 I haven't seen or heard any, and I've been following them for 3 years. I always corroborate their information, and it's really accurate.

[@talkertolk]

11:43 minute of this video - it is so pathetic of Dave saying something about “medical reasons” over Kevin and Lisa’s not enough emotional explanations (as he himself thinks) EFE never let themselves humiliate others for their way of speaking or explaining. Moreover, I find their way of conveying information immensely helpful - only facts and no attempts to please or entertain people.

[@OlegShapkin]

he also laughed at non standard dialects in oner of his videos. Called them uneducated. That';s so racist and inappropriate for a language teacher.

[@rosyguerra7891]

I love English for everyone. I am learning a good English with Kevin and Liza.

[@LanarkshireLegacy]

Not entirely sure if this is a joke or not...

[@Tony32]

39:38 Kevin never said: "I speak Spanish very well" He was correcting and translating a video made in Spanish, at the end he added: "Yo también hablo español" (I also speak Spanish) I hope Dave is just misremembering, otherwise, it's very disingenuous of him.

[@Tony32]

34:14 Sorry Evelyn, but "I didn't notice any mistake" IS correct. You CAN use "any" with a singular countable noun in a negative sentence. Some examples: "I don't have any cake left" "I don't see any reason to be upset" "He didn't have any idea how to solve the problem."

[@mauroamestoy9728]

While cake, reason and idea can be countable, they most definitely aren't in your sentences. - "I don't have any cake left" doesn't mean I don't have one cake left (as opposed to 2, 3, 4, etc. cakes); it means I had some cake, and now there isn't any left. Being able to use 'some' here to refer to the cake should tip you off as to its being uncountable, as you can't use it with countable nouns (I have some pen

[@Isa_Dark_]

So you are saying that if someone is a non native speaker, that person can't point out mistakes to a native speaker just because the person isn't a native? That sounds kind of discriminatory. Native speakers do make mistakes and not all people can teach properly, you need to study to do that even if you are a "native speaker". Besides, you have a video pointing out mistakes from videos made for non native speakers, and that is ok for you, but it seems doing that is wrong if the video is a critic to a native speaker.

[@Shianetto]

And I honestly doubt Dave is a native speaker honestly. He's originally from Russia. His original name is in Russian, but he changed it to an English version. He might've lived in the USA for a long time, that's why he considers himself a native speaker.

[@redpillbulgaria-v2.063]

This is a typical Canadian hypocrisy. They pretend to be "nice" until you step on their toes and they lose it... They also tend to be passive aggressive. I know those people quite well because I lived amongst them a lot longer than I should have.

[@agnaldoromualdobarboza6052]

The fact that you are a native speaker of English or a foreigner who speaks English does not matter at all and since we are all human, in daily conversation we have the right to make all the English mistakes we want and so far there are no problems! The real problem is when we make mistakes and teach these mistakes to others and even get paid to do it! If a person is still learning English and still makes many mistakes, he shouldn't pretend to be a teacher and teach wrong English to others!

[@Isa_Dark_]

@@agnaldoromualdobarboza6052 absolutely

[@19eighty7a]

Amazing comment.

[@heroicIV]

I love English for Everyone. I've learned a lot from the mistakes they've pointed out in their videos.

[@herrg.843]

Yeah, me too. But they're dishonest and their videos are getting really toxic lately. Why are they not willing to do a livestream or participate in a debate?

[@heroicIV]

They have brought a lot of people down from their pedestals.

[@Neo-Reloaded]

@@herrg.843 why should they debate these things? Their channel is about correcting mistakes not about debating ideas of how to learn English.

[@Neo-Reloaded]

@@GgM-bs1fu so you only want them to make mistakes for someone else to critique them? I don't find that productive.

[@zaramuravenko2312]

Me too❤they're best ever❤

[@EDP2500]

Hi Evelyn and Dave, whether you're native English speakers, please call a shovel a shovel. Are Kevin and Lisa wrong in correcting your mistakes? If you think they are, please prove it. That's it! Dave said: "hark on" and the correct phrase is "harp on". This is not such a minor mistake as "a couple (of)" as Dave mentioned. That's a bad excuse, Dave.

[@lanaefremova3443]

He himself makes mistakes. His expertise is limited to his regional version of English

[@Shianetto]

And I honestly doubt Dave is a native speaker honestly. He's originally from Russia. His original name is in Russian, but he changed it to an English version. He might've lived in the USA for a long time, that's why he considers himself a native speaker.

[@davesenglish]

@@Shianetto My family first immigrated to the United States in the mid-17th Century. My cousin is former President Richard Nixon. I was born in Illinois. Idiot.

[@ericban842]

I don't agree that liza and kevin's lessons are not great but what I don't like his they point out some specific teachers in order to get more views and dave is doing the same things he even spoke about Marina's vlog which has nothing to do with teaching english just by jealousie because he's not as successfull as her. And dave in one of his video was very critic toward marina when she said she's gratuaded in english he said that it has nothing to do with english teaching and now he's doing the same thing. This guy is a real fraud and one of the worst teacher ever!!! He's so contreversial in one of his video he said you don't need to learn idioms and when he speaks english he uses idioms after idioms lol. He even was critic toward A.J Hoge he said he doesn't teach english. I can send. you hundred of lessons by A.J hoge where there're dialogs vocabulary mini story so on and so forth. this guy is seeing all these teachers getting more and more succesfull and that drives him insane.

[@redpillbulgaria-v2.063]

Kevin and Liza have found a very unique niche in the English Teaching field... Teaching ACTUAL ENGLISH.

[@yourKING7]

They just speak perfectly in videos. In real life they speak like Dave and Evelyn.

[@nataliya3037]

​@@yourKING7How do you know?

[@stanislavvlasov7625]

Correcting the same mistakes over and over again is not teaching.

[@redpillbulgaria-v2.063]

@@stanislavvlasov7625 Well, you know what they say: "Повторението е майка на знанието" 😎

[@rebelranger]

And making mistakes on the mistakes that they're "correcting" isn't teaching.

[@tristanquezadadiaz4508]

This battle, Kevin and Liza vs David and Evelyn is much more interesting than today's boxing fights

[@agnaldoromualdobarboza6052]

😁😂

[@gamertroll6175]

Yessssss, I always try to catch up to any of these fights as possible. I dont really want yo miss out on any video of either channel.

[@agnaldoromualdobarboza6052]

Arguments between English teachers happen due to the lack of humility on the part of those who make mistakes and don't want to admit it!

[@tricky_english]

You know what’s funny? They all make mistakes 😂

[@arthemas8176]

I go for Kevin and Liza. People learn more from them, than the others who are just critizicing

[@another.9]

Kevin and Liza are the best teachers ever. I have to admit many non-native speakers speak English much better than locals.

[@wagnerjunior6524]

14:33 Dave, but you also removed the video that you said SPILL THE TEA is not American English after you were proven wrong. Just because you and your bubble/demographic don't use an expression doesn't mean it's not used by other Americans. Why did you remove that video, Dave?

[@sskp6168]

he is sneaky guy

[@MorrowLanguageLounge]

It’s completely legitimate to critique these incorrect “teachers” as part of your PhD work, yet it’s a slippery slope to make it your entire career out of critiquing others. KZbin should require content creators to verify their credentials because the inaccurate content on KZbin is causing harm. That would make you a verified expert in teaching English, and all the popular channels with uncredentialed people would be easy to recognize.

[@wagnerjunior6524]

@@MorrowLanguageLounge I don't think having credentials to teach English means much, I've seen many English teachers with a lot of credentials teaching wrong English.

[@MorrowLanguageLounge]

@@wagnerjunior6524 I can see that, and I’m sorry that has been your experience because in theory, having a master’s degree in teaching English learners or a PhD does guarantee you’ve learned how to teach and structure a lesson. I’ve noticed many channels with persistent and damaging errors are created by people with no certifications or, maybe only a CELTA. Be well, and good luck on your learning journey or teaching journey.

[@hanselvogis5142]

@@wagnerjunior6524 He was proven wrong, so he has removed the video. Just simple as that.

[@Zoxuk]

Potable may not be a very common word, but I would have thought that a reasonably educated English speaker would have heard of it.

[@alberto5056]

that proves how rare is that word

[@Neo-Reloaded]

@@alberto5056 in Spanish the word "efímero" is advanced while the word "pasajero" is more common. Why would you correct someone who uses the word "efímero"? That's what they did, and correcting for the use of advanced vocabulary is wrong on every level.

[@alberto5056]

@@Neo-Reloaded If you know how to hear and understand you will realize that Evelyn never says that is wrong she said that is not common, learn to listen please

[@Neo-Reloaded]

@@alberto5056 LOL are you serious? Even the thumbnail says "this is wrong" and she is pointing to Giovanna. And it's the same in this video, she's pointing to Kevin and Liza and says "this is wrong." And also she put a small text pointing to herself saying "native English speaker."

[@alberto5056]

@@Neo-Reloaded learn to read little pony :) good night

[@marinai1753]

I asked a native English speaker a question about potable water and they didn't understand the question as they hadn't heard of the word potable before. But Kevin and Liza did show clips of people using the word potable. I think the conclusion is that language isn't always black and white and focusing on who's right and who's wrong about these things is missing the point. People who are learning English might be getting more insecure about speaking themselves, which is the opposite of what should be happening: they should be encouraged to speak, especially by teachers.

[@redpillbulgaria-v2.063]

You need to realize that the educational standards in North America (US and Canada) are 'dropping like a stone' ... Most people do not differentiate between there, their, they're, should have and should off (which doesn't even exist) etc. I've heard people using grammatically incorrect sentence structures such as " I should have went" The intellectual levels of the average north americans are not very high, except of course for people who pursue academic careers and specifically focus on higher level education.

[@EDP2500]

When you enter into a discussion, focus on things, not people.

[@hector405]

We have to recognize our mistakes to improve guys

[@mirkohilse9082]

The difference is that Kevin and Lisa talk about the mistakes they find, however, you attack them personally. Dave has actually started all that by calling them toxic and narcissistic etc. Now you are doing the same whereas Kevin and Lisa only talk about the mistakes. They have never attacked you personally? If you feel that they are wrong, why can't you challenge them by talking about it in a factual way?

[@AndrewCamb]

Exactly. Evelyn and Dave came across merely vindictive in this whole thing. Huge L

[@javierarevalo6812]

Yes, I appreciate Kevin & Liza's job but I don't support these 2 guys here attacking people at a personal level.

[@zaramuravenko2312]

That's correct ❤dave is an arrogant teacher

[@OpportunitiesNS]

You haven't watched all of their videos, have you? They actually attacked other teachers not just their mistakes.

[@JAPARICO]

Dave is super arrogant. Period.

[@cp-chipheo9528]

I love English for everyone. I love leaning correct English. Justifying mistakes is not acceptable

[@ekaterinapopova6325]

would be to say that the choice of adjectives between drinking water or potable water triggered all this discussion? in their video (Kevin and Liza), which by the way highlights the mistakes made by self-declared English teachers, I never perceived that they wanted to offend anyone. Pointing out the fact that Liza is not a native speaker and has an accent does not exclude the fact that she knows English grammar well and she is a good English teacher.

[@kimwold]

I actually love English for everyone, i don't find them petty in their approach, literally they've been the only ones that have taught me those details in pronunciation in a practical way for free. Those are the things you learn with a private coach and they do it for free. I've seen other channels that have tried to explain pronunciation but are way too technical and I never really understood, until now I havent seen a video of theirs that wasn't practical or just meant to hurt other channels. I did feel bad though for Marina because there was a time they'd only make videos about her, but that's about it, other than that I love their content and is still helping me

[@josephpatindollim1910]

Evelyn, you're really getting sidetracked with all these response videos. Please get back to teaching English grammar and whatnot. I personally don't find any value in this when it comes to my English language learning. We came here to learn English not to see who won the fight with other KZbinrs

[@goyam2981]

You can learn from this clip by listening to what Dave and Evelyn talk about. It's even better than regular teaching videos.

[@UnShredded]

It's all about you all the time. Stop gatekeeping. Her channel, her choice. You can't tell a woman what to do for free. If you think authentic, impromptu speaking isn't educational, you are delusional. There's plenty of parking space, go park somewhere else.

[@josephpatindollim1910]

@goyam2981 thanks I will watch the entire video.I stopped listening to it after 5 minutes coz I thought it was just about drama

[@zaramuravenko2312]

❤❤❤yeah!

[@goyam2981]

@@josephpatindollim1910 I recently watched how channels run by conservative American podcasters like Matt Walsh and Candace Owens bashed Madonna for her Celebration tour. It was fun. Drama can be good for learning English when it's by native speakers. 😉 You wanna be able to speak all kinds of English expressions and not just simple daily life stuff that English teachers on KZbin teach, don't you? Then you gotta listen to native speakers talking about drama and politics and other things as well.

[@Neo-Reloaded]

You're creating divisions between native and non-native speakers of English, which from my point of view is discriminatory. Meanwhile, Kevin and Liza differentiate between right and wrong without regard to where you were born. So, for me, they're doing a wonderful job.

[@tocode5434]

Then why did they choose to select some of her videos and feature them as mistakes, when they are not. Interesting, isn't it? Is it still a wonderful job? Undoubtedly, they are doing great when they are correcting silly mistakes made by other KZbinrs such as Marina or POC. But things get very interesting when they attempt to correct native English speakers. What is the point? To prove the world they are the best, and no any other natives speakers are?

[@alberto5056]

You can't say that, she clearly says thousands of times in other videos, that no matter if u have an accent or you are not native american, the problem is that if you are teaching english, you must do it right. Usually non-native americans make a lot of mistakes, because reaching an native English is extremely hard, but not impossible, it will be the same thing if a Canadian is trying to teach spanish, and making a lot of mistakes, native spanish speakers will be mad, not because his born country, because his mistakes.

[@Neo-Reloaded]

@@tocode5434 the point of Kevin and Liza's videos is always the same: to correct mistakes. That's what we as learners of English care about. I couldn't care less about who they feature. You're saying those aren't mistakes... well, we should discuss one by one. But I remember that this teacher said that we shouldn't use words as "potable" or "flatware" because she hasn't heard about them. That's not a valid point. I've typed those words on Twitter, KZbin, Youglish, and even ChatGPT. Those are valid words, and we can use them. There's no problem with that. It's true that other words like silverware can be more common, it doesn't mean that you should correct someone who uses the word "flatware." That's totally insane. I'm going to give you an example with my native language: Spanish. The word "efímero" means the same as "pasajero", but most people would use "pasajero", if a learner of Spanish say "efímero" I wouldn't correct him for using an advance word, even if there are a lot of people who don't know the word.

[@Neo-Reloaded]

​@@alberto5056 What about a teacher from Spain who makes mistakes in Spanish? They should also be corrected. Not because he/she is from Spain means that person doesn't make mistakes in Spanish.

[@alberto5056]

@@Neo-Reloaded read again my comment and write another answer properly thank you buddy

[@Erik-te5vk]

34:53 Evelyn really thought this was a "gotcha moment". No, Evelyn you're wrong. Both "I didn't notice any mistake" and "I didn't notice any mistakes" can be correct, depending on the context. If you are referring to a specific mistake or error, then "I didn't notice any mistake" would be appropriate. If you are referring to multiple mistakes or errors in general, then "I didn't notice any mistakes" would be more suitable. Consider the context and the specific meaning you want to convey to determine which version is more appropriate for your intended message.

[@Rum896]

Oh, oh! A Kevin and Liza video is coming!

[@Erik-te5vk]

@@GgM-bs1fu Both are grammatically correct, dude. While both sentences are related to the concept of mistakes, "I didn't notice any mistake" focuses on observation while "I didn't notice any mistakes" centers on one's own actions or lack thereof.

[@alberto5056]

Bro you are wrong, It's okay if you say it I didn't notice any mistake in an informal context, like with your friends or something, everybody will understand, but is gramatically incorrect. Go to google and check and come back buddy. Cry me a river

[@Erik-te5vk]

@@alberto5056 I already checked it with different AI and chatgpt, and I'm correct. Feed me your tears

[@Erik-te5vk]

@@alberto5056 I provided detailed explanations with facts (Ai and chatgpt backs me up) as to why Evelyn is wrong in this one, while all you did is saying I'm wrong. So you basically said nothing. Cry me a river

[@Hugo86665]

Dave was the one who started attacking Kevin and Liza and then complains and cries when they hit back. Plus, he's very rude, Kevin and Liza criticizes his English while he attacks them personally, even making rude comments about Kevin's mom. I can't stand that guy but I'll still give it a go and watch this video.

[@GgM-bs1fu]

Yes and I had (and still have) an issue with that as well.

[@kledsonenglish]

As I see it, Dave made some Germaine comment about YT channels.

[@alenainthailand]

100% true!

[@Sarash7406]

very true... ❤❤❤

[@los300finales]

Kevin and Liza are the best English teachers on KZbin , hurt whoever hurts. In fact, my English has been improving day after day with only a few minutes of daily practice . Teaching a language based on teaching the mistakes of others is simply extraordinary and would not have to offend teachers who teach incorrectly . Liza is great as a teacher and with Kevin she makes a big league team of the English language.

[@omarwistohn9806]

She has an accent. Really? Is that a valid argument?

[@Нуи-з7е]

It’s a part of an argument about Lisa not being a native speaker. It’s funny to hear “I have no idea why she’s never heard that word before” when in reality it is very likely that Lisa had hardly known the word herself being a foreigner before she made her video

[@oldfriend8001]

Kevin and Liza were doing a great job until they started to criticize you, am I right, guys?

[@nabotbegimmamadnazarbekova]

Kevin and Liza are the best teachers i enjoy learning with them. I appreciate them coz they enhance my English .Thank You Kevin and Liza❤❤❤

[@rafamartz43]

Dave's expressions and reactions after seeing that this hit piece (video) backfired: 😨😭😡😡

[@sadaosmanova5887]

Why are you getting offended? "How long have you been learning English?" Is correct.

[@alenainthailand]

What I see is no one likes to be criticized but everyone likes criticizing others. That’s funny to watch what’s happening in an ESL world. I don’t think every native speaker can teach their mother tongue. What you, guys, are doing is earning money on your viewers and subscribers and that’s hilarious to see how hard you fight for your status of being “the perfect teacher”. You’ve invited Dave for discussing the issue but he is one of the most arrogant teachers I’ve ever come across. The one who is criticizing with 0 respect to others and none creative content.

[@maxfromukraine1630]

Why is he one of the most arrogant teachers? Just asking with no intention to confront

[@user-lt4vz2ft9h]

Dave's seems to be jealous of Kevin n Liza they both don't criticise people but their mistakes note it

[@alenainthailand]

@@maxfromukraine1630 I had an argument with him sometime ago under one of his videos where he blamed one blogger of copying content from another without any proof. We don’t know who copied from who and I couldn’t care less. Moreover he doesn’t creat anything, he just blah blahing about himself or criticizing others especially non-native speakers. They might make mistakes but they are entertaining and very creative. Moreover he claimed he graduated from a top ten university in the world but, at the same time, he doesn’t know how the English language works. He got his degree in Politics and thinks he is a master in English. In one of his videos he said “Americans don’t use idioms a lot” and within 2 minutes of his speech he used idioms at least 3 times. He thinks every American can teach English and 0 non-native speakers can do the same which says a lot about him. He also said “Russian teachers are the shittiest” ones without any proof of it. This video also proves he has poor knowledge of English claiming “when Liza and Kevin make mistakes they creat a rule to explain them” 😆 that’s ridiculous. “I don’t see any mistake” is grammatically correct same as “without any proof/ reason/ explanation etc.” we don’t need plural after any. this video also proves that if a person is a Native speaker, it doesn’t mean they can teach proper English. Especially Dave: no creative content, makes mistakes himself.

[@zaramuravenko2312]

❤superb

[@jony_japan]

I'm sorry BUT English for everyone doing good job ❤

[@Zoxuk]

54:00 No you're not. You're promoting yourselves by rubbishing others.

[@alberto5056]

They are responding to the videos Kevin and lisa made, the difference between They and Evelyn and dave is that they are professionals true profesionals with masters degrees and stuff, and they are not a one trick pony, they don't just critizice everything as a main content

[@privateuser2283]

That is exactly what Kevin and Liza are doing

[@TDSfirenze]

Regarding Kevin speaking Spanish, i think he said "y si, yo hablo español tambien" (and yes, I speak Spanish too). I reckon the problem is that the word "también" (too/also) kind of sounds similar to "muy bien" (very good).

[@mickalidem]

I think potable is relatively common. Even on the popular game show Jeopardy there is category called "Potent Potables". However, most people would ask "is thay water safe to drink".

[@JoeLieberMann]

I'm sorry Evelyn but you are wrong about "any mistake". It's perfectly correct to say it. This is an excerpt from Practical English Usage by Michael Swan from Oxford Publications. use of articles: A singular countable noun normally has an article or other determiner with it. We can say a cat, the cat, my cat, this cat, any cat, either cat or every cat, but not just cat. (There are one or two exceptions - see 69.) Plural and uncountable nouns (e.g. cats, water) can be used with or without an article or other determiner.

[@jandosahmet6523]

But in that context any is not a determiner, Kevin is wrong there. If it were a determiner as you say, he should've said I didn't find the mistake or that mistake. The determiner case you are referring to is used in positive claims, however do not translate to negative sentences the same way. For example, - Hey do you have a pen? - Yes, what color do you need? - Any. - I don't have any ( this is wrong, because any serves as a determiner in this context, therefore this kind of answer is senseless) Therefore, if Kevin used any as a determiner, he couldn't say what he said apriori.

[@JoeLieberMann]

@@jandosahmet6523 Read it again one more time very carefully! The last line.

[@jandosahmet6523]

@@JoeLieberMann the last line talks about plural nouns which is not our concern. What else do you want me to notice there?

[@jandosahmet6523]

@@JoeLieberMann you're talking about such cases as: Positive It is easy, any child (i.e. all or every child) can do it. Interrogative Can any child do it? Negative Not any child can do it (wrong) Not every child can do it or Not all children can do it (right) Kevin's case is not related to this scenario, thus HE IS WRONG.

[@GgM-bs1fu]

I need to correct David on one thing, on that video Kevin said "Hablo español también" which means "I speak Spanish too".

[@Nikole1010]

actually your credentials mean nothing if you make mistakes even though you are a native speakers

[@AngelFlores-bi5xw]

Oh! Common Evelyn! Don't fight with your colleagues! Kevin is a nice guy. I follow you both... Focus on Linguamarina's mistakes because there is a lot of material there. And you, Evelyn keep up the good work. Do not waste precious time. Bye 😙

[@yoyonmulyono8249]

Everyone makes mistakes. Therefore we need someone who can correct us (english learners) to learn and use correct english😅. And there’s nothing wrong with English for Everyone’s channel. They’re correcting mistakes & that’s not a crime 😅, if they’re correcting you guys, you should be thankful 😂

[@polotombo]

It's so easy to accept that native speakers also make mistakes and that not every native speaker can or should teach.

[@cp-chipheo9528]

Dave is still a politician because he attacks person instead of focus on mistakes. Everybody makes mistake but I like how English for Everyone reacts to their mistake: they removed their videos instead of running around the bush trying to say it's ok to make mistake. PHD whatever can't correct your mistake(s).

[@uzairmoeen9128]

English and any other language is just to communicate and to express your thoughts and ideas.i don't know why people are so obsessed with being perfect in English.some mistakes are minor which is ok ,but in exams or some test you should prepare.

[@Msp-edits]

Guys, I like you all, including Kevin and Lisa. I can learn a lot from all of you. Let’s respect each other and close the topic. 😊

[@Nikole1010]

I like Kevin and Lisa, they do their job great

[@adriana5122]

I thank you both for your mistakes because then I learn when Kevin and Liza correct them. 🇦🇷✨

[@tatyanas273]

I'm unsubscribing! Sorry, but 1 hour of whining about this....really? I'm not even gonna watch it! I actually enjoy Lisa and Kevin as they are unstoppable in their goal to teach us CORRECT English. That hysterical guy (Dave?) is a joke!!!

[@farida-a-1]

I absolutely agree with you. Watching this video for me is wasting time for nothing. Kevin and Liza are the BEST teachers.

[@zaramuravenko2312]

🎉🎉🎉🎉correct

[@emiliafernandez4234]

Oh yes, it's a shame. I'm unsubscribing too. The other guy, i can't stand his arrogant attitude. And hey Evelyn, many non native English teachers are really professional. Everyone makes mistakes

[@paarsaJam]

Dear Ms. Evelyn, I respectfully believe that apologizing for your mistake rather than escalating the situation would have been more appropriate. I apologize for being direct, but you do not appear to be so arrogant as to avoid the truth!

[@carlaescobedo5381]

"They were doing a good job until they started critiquing me"

[@fredylopez2477]

That applies to Evelyn too 'cause in that video she seems to be a little upset.

[@goldrichig2885]

Fr! Like she critiques so many other youtubers, but when it happens to her, its wrong 🤓

[@fuadbinshams]

Whether or not you're a native speaker doesn't matter. What truly matters is that if you're an English teacher, you need to minimize mistakes in your instruction. As a teacher, you have a responsibility to society. Consider mathematics: it’s the language of the universe. Can you afford to make mistakes in math? Imagine if a NASA scientist miscalculated something while launching a rocket. Regardless of the subject you teach, you must strive to be error-free before instructing others. This is a fundamental principle for anyone who wants to be a teacher. You should aim to be the best in your field.

[@Pete-z5h]

Absolutely right! Imagine, medical students learn the wrong knowledge from their teachers.

[@zaramuravenko2312]

Dave was rude on his channel about Kelvin and Liza. And probably you participated with him that's why they responded 😅 I really love their channel ❤️

[@davidquirogagalhardobuenod7858]

I'm a bit disappointed. I expected that you were going to challenge Kevin and Lisa to a duel. We want scenes like that I saw in the film Gladiator(2000): Emperor, we who will die salute you! LOL

[@ESB1932]

😂

[@ceafreitas296]

I learn a lot from Keven and Liz. By the way, they are not husband and wife. They are friends by profession. You highlight the fact that Liz is not a native English speaker as if she has no right to teach English. The difference between Keven and Liz is that they do not discriminate against speakers of English as a second language. They only point out grammatical or pronunciation errors regardless of who makes them. People who propose to teach must teach correctly. I watched few of your videos. And I think you do act discriminately. I even liked some of your content, but you clearly feel superior and think that only a native speaker can teach English. Well, you're wrong. Liz is not a native English speaker but she is an excellent teacher.

[@Sarash7406]

kevin n liza are husband n wife.. they have beautiful children..

[@ceafreitas296]

@@Sarash7406 well, maybe they became , but I watched a video when Liz husband was with her and Kevin and his family were all together enjoying an event. Truth be told, I'm not quite sure about it. But their private life isn't my business. Kkkkkkk they're amazing teachers. That's it.

[@WilliamZhang-v4i]

Well you just proved English for everyone did the right thing😅

[@mira987]

If you don't know such a simple word as "potable " then you have a very limited vocabulary... That's really sad...

[@Pacifier1968]

you look like a teenager offended by nothing, don't be such a DRAMA QUEEN, the world is much bigger than that and we all have a bigger fish to fry

[@herbyjeanmary2886]

Whether you like it or not , she's totally right

[@AndrewCamb]

​​@@herbyjeanmary2886​Whether you like it or not, she's totally WRONG. Now you see how meaningless is your statement?

[@herbyjeanmary2886]

@@AndrewCamb no, I don't

[@AndrewCamb]

@@herbyjeanmary2886 Of course you don't! 🤣

[@mohitodrink4919]

Evelyn , Stop it! Don't go this way!

[@ArisTotle-pm5ep]

I watch and love your videos, however, I don’t understand why you have include this guy on your channel. And you agree with him?

[@yoyonmulyono8249]

Come on guys, don’t cry! They’re just correcting your mistakes and you should Be thankful for that. Grow up!

[@정연천-p5v]

English is a global language spoken by around 1.5 billion people worldwide. It is definitely wrong that some people act as if English only belongs to native speakers. Making mistakes is a natural part of language learning. I've noticed that even native speakers make mistakes in their speech and writing. Making mistakes is an opportunity to learn something new. We should remember the hard truth that the ultimate purpose of language learning is communication and connection, not perfection. I sincerely hope that they stop having an unproductive argument and focus on their teaching mission.

[@uzairmoeen9128]

I agree with you. English or any other language is only to communicate and to convey the message that you want to share. Unfortunately, ever since the English language got famous some people started their shop they are literally running a business .

[@СветланаЕфремова-ф1н]

Unless you have to take exams

[@bkjung391]

Welcome to the DogEatDog English teaching world. It's fun, helpful and even useful to reflect on ourselves.

[@Zoxuk]

18:08 Someone needs to tell these people they're wrong.

[@emiliafernandez4234]

😂

[@user-lt4vz2ft9h]

Daves is so arrogant rude n jealous of Kevin n Liza Liza is not a native but can speak much better English than Daves please stop this fight between natives n focus on teaching correct English coz the students from the whole world want to learn correct n pure English n modern vocabulary n please first do your homework on teaching correct English n then come forth to teach correct English without making a looooooot of mistakes

[@nana-mf3ik]

Confusion?? Are you nuts?)) Linguamarina teaches the WRONG MEANINGS of the words. You don't have to be genious to open up a dict and see the meaning of the word)

[@pedrixLDU]

Ok, I read some comments, and all said that Dave is a bad person, please Evelyn, get away of he.

[@ЖаннаМамедова-м7ъ]

You do sound arrogant!!!! You are discriminating native and nonnative speakers. If you are a native speaker it doesn’t mean you are superior to nonnative English teachers.

[@klebialc]

Dave shouldn't have criticized Kevin and Liza first. He started it.

[@davidrock65]

But Evelyn didn’t critique Kevin and Liza to begin with.

[@AndrewCamb]

​@@davidrock65Dave went after them on a personal level, and now Evelyn attacked them personally. While Kevin and Liza stick to correcting mistakes (professionally) Do you notice the huge distinction?

[@jandosahmet6523]

Why shouldn't anyone criticize K&L? Are they undisputed authority that can't be touched? They made a lot os bold and controversial statements in their clout chasing videos that should aslo be adressed. And it is them that brought the things to a personal level naming and showing on the thumbnails Mogilko and other popular youtubers.

[@zaramuravenko2312]

Correct❤

[@ericban842]

dave doesn't like to be criticized. but he likes to criticize other teachers. And he's so full of himself that he doesn't like the fact someone noticed that he makes some mistakes.. once I told him that he was umming way too much and he got so mad he doesn't like when a non english native speaker correct him. that's being said great video. even though I disagree about what they are saying.

[@troyerrand]

I don't know who to believe. The same thing happens when you speak a language. It is better to talk and have a dialogue between natives

[@russianprincess]

Correcting is not binary 'black and white'. There are different shades of gray, styles, contexts, usage, prosody, register, tone, etc. Of course, these details are not normally dealt with below the C2 level but they too are quite important.

[@wagnerjunior6524]

Kevin and Lisa talk about mistakes. Dave attacks Kevin and Lisa on a personal and professional levels.

[@Multilevel_with_shoxzod]

Honestly speaking, I didn't get it who's wrong and right both native and non native speakers continue making mistakes I think everyone will be correct in their own my KZbin channel

[@Daniel_Bettega_52]

8:26 What does mean Teddy (according to the transcript) here?

[@improveyourenglishwithevelyn]

It should say “petty”

[@kimwold]

No, you guys are just wrong, you don't need to say something is "incorrect " to actually mean something sounds more natural or "connected". like native speakers saying : stop saying "very" to me that is borderline ridiculous, you are being the petty ones, sorry, I don't agree with that.

[@EDP2500]

Technically, "What year were you born?" is grammatically incorrect. "what" functions as a noun while "when" serves as an adverb. Another way of forming an adverb is preposition + noun. For example, "He drives carefully" and an alternative is "He drives with care". Therefore, the correct question should be phrased as follows: - In what year were you born? (formal language) - When (= in what year) were you born? (natural phrasing, more common) - What year were you born (with "in" omitted in everyday conversational English)? Things must always be taken in context to avoid misunderstanding.

[@fredylopez2477]

"What year were you born ?" might be grammatically incorrect but that's the way most people say it in the USA, they got used to saying it like that and "What year were you born IN ?" or "IN what year were you born ?" might be correct but you might find those expressions in very formal texts they don't use them when speaking, you texted it. The use of "WHEN" refers to a whole date, I mean "I was born in October 25th 1959", not only the specific year, but you can also say: - What date were you born ?.

[@ЖаннаМамедова-м7ъ]

Liza and Kevin are adorable 🥰 ❤

[@lucywellstood1310]

Honestly, EFE is the best channel!

[@javierarevalo6812]

Evelyn you look like a nice person, just stay away from Dave, he's so cocky and arrogant, besides, he is not professional since he attacks Kevin & Liza at a personal level whereas Kevin & Liza pinpoint errors or mistakes that really help non native english speakers, and they do it with respect and focus on correcting.

[@zaramuravenko2312]

❤❤❤

[@paweopalczewski6533]

True

[@lana_planet88]

Everything was going well..until they started correcting your mistakes.😁

[@fredylopez2477]

Evelyn said "I DID a video with him". I was wondering, Isn't it better to say ?: "I MADE a video with him". I mean, Doesn't it sound better ?.

[@AndrewCamb]

It doesn't matter if it sounds better as long as it's grammatically correct, dummy.

[@AndrewCamb]

Both are correct and it doesn't matter if it sounds good or bad to you as long as it's grammatically correct. How dvmb are you? And before you cry again, I'd like to clarify that I wrote that word with a "v" so that YT doesn't hide or delete my comment.

[@goldrichig2885]

How about 'I did make a video with him'

[@NS-neversaynever]

You seem to be a kind young woman, you seem to be a person who's just trying to defend herself and assure her audience that she's trustworthy. Dave seems to be the man who has some personal antipathy for Kevin and Liza. To be honest I love their channel and those videos about others mistakes. I am sure this kind of content is really useful. From the viewer's point of view this is a great way to learn from other people's mistakes, and any kind of detailed discussion is good. But it's becoming too negative. As a person I think all of you are living in constant stress due to this mutual criticism. It is so depressing and sad to witness. I think discussing other people's mistakes is a great idea as long as it is about mistakes, but not about people. At this point Kevin is being a professional. He discusses only English speaking, not the people who are speaking. Respect.

[@beatadebski]

Sadly, people who have no formal training in the psychology of dark triad (Cluster-B personality in the DSM-V) begin to fling such grave accusations of narcissism at English for Everyone. This is reprehensible and irresponsible, to say the least. And perhaps an indication of possible destructive traits in the speaker himself. Wouldn't it be wiser to study the most complex field of psychology known to man, called dark triad psychology, at great depth before venturing to accuse anyone of being the most violent personality through the means of mere video lessons viewing? Diagnosing anyone with Cluster-B traits is incredibly lengthy, requiring significant expertise, a degree in clinical psychology, and professional integrity. Being extremely detail-oriented may not always be healthy, but it does not correlate with Cluster-B traits.

[@mira987]

You are absolutely wrong about " I didn't notice any mistake" !!!! That's a correct grammar structure!!! If you don't know that, how do you even dare to teach English????🤯🤯🤯

[@ElmiraShiraqai]

says the guy who makes a grammar mistake when leaving a comment. It isn't grammatically correct to say: "how dare you TO"

[@Pete-tm3xi]

@@ElmiraShiraqai The fact is that mira is not a teacher who makes videos on youtube, Evelyn is. And mira’s right, «I didn’t notice any mistake» is absolutely correct

[@theaxelal947]

"There's no mistake" is gramatically correct.

[@seren48725]

Toxic environment. Unsubscribed.

[@kevp8620]

Well I really love your contents and I can say all of your contents. You address a lot of things that I personally think they're absolutely necessary to understand north American culture and language. Funny thing is we people do a lot of stupid things unconsciously and then we try to rationalize that. I really like Kevin too and I believe he creates his contents very meticulously but specifically about the clips you mentioned I think he wanted to say that in "what year you were born in" or "it's snowing" or "police station ", there are other ways to say them, but instead of saying that also there are other ways to say, he chose to say your comments were incorrect which is not very wise to say and probably pose some confusion for ESL students, since they might think those mistakes are no mistakes whatsoever , however I believe for advanced students that will be really helpful to look at pronunciation in a different way and digest how different native speakers can articulate some words and phrases.

[@christine9492]

Lisa and Kevin are so excellent

[@OlegShapkin]

I had some respect for you UNTIL you made a deepfake video about Kevin. Shame on you.

[@Claudia-vu6vb]

“Borderline obsessive“? What the heck are you talking about? They just point out mistakes. I've learned a lot from their channel. They don't put people down like you are doing. And borderline? What's wrong with you? You say you have a PhD or working on it. Who cares.. Just teach English or whatever you want to do. Watch your video before you put it out and correct your mistakes, then EFE don't have to correct you 🤷

[@Sarash7406]

😅😅😅

[@fredylopez2477]

That's an excellent point. All, absolutely all youtubers who teach English online should go over their material before posting their videos and see whether there are mistakes or not, correct them so nobody or English for Everyone (EFE) won't have to correct them.

[@zaramuravenko2312]

❤❤❤Kelvin and Liza

[@MarineGh-hv8re]

Hi, I am a non-native speaker, I am watching you and think what you will say if you watch a blogger called marina who is teaching Englisg with a lot of mistakes..... As to Liza and keivin.... I like their lessons, I do like your lessons too, All of you are professionals.... It doesnt matter you are natives or not, live in peace...

[@2321ahmed]

If Lisa is not an American native speaker as you mentioned, and she has all this knowledge and basic linguistic mastery, how much should you honor her first, because she has achieved a paradigm shift that is almost miraculous for her age?

[@ramonek9109]

This comment is incomprehensible gibberish. Liza speaks with a very noticeable accent, that Kevin would not tolerate on anybody else.

[@cp-chipheo9528]

Last time I checked EFE has 405K subscribers. This channel has 30K. Why?????

[@bhantetitidhammo7802]

Hi there. I join everyone who thinks this video is a mistake. You're getting personal here. You have started judging people, whereas Kevin works solely on people's mistakes. And I personally very much sympathize with Kevin's presentation of the material - clear, correct, precise. I personally have absolutely no use for content where the host rampantly blathers on about whatever comes into their head. I need educational material, well backed up with examples. And Kevin has all of that. Dave, for his part, for all his scholarship, can't articulate his thoughts clearly. He's always stammering, putting in a lot of fillings. Evelyn, I think you really need to get back on track, break this alliance with this arrogant pro. We like you and your lessons. And we trust you!

[@englishbright7492]

What are you talking about? English for everyone causing confusion? Liza and Kevin are great! They are knowledgeable. Have you noticed how many KZbinrs are teaching incorrect English, pronunciation and grammar that they obviously use in their speech?

[@jalalzbirat6338]

Kevin and Liza are pointing out to your mistakes with respect. Admit it. You should thank them instead because they want you to teach correctly . You can collaborate with them. It is not wrong to make mistakes. What is worse is the fact that you don't want to admit it. Face it and accept the truth. What is more, look how you are talking. You are literally nervous. Calm down!! Take it easy. Even though you are a doctoral professor, it doesn't mean you can teach properly. Culture of accepting criticism is a remedy to our selves.

[@oliverelias1356]

What a good comment.

[@gamygchgarcia3759]

Yes !

[@ruddyworkout4703]

I think people just want to focus on learning English rather than having you guys critic each other, you are amazing Evelyn and your videos are great, I would say that if you just keep making your videos teaching people that would be better and people will love you no matter if you make a mistake or not. Just please make your videos and forget about that battle.

[@improveyourenglishwithevelyn]

Thanks for the feedback and support 🙏❤️

[@ruddyworkout4703]

@@improveyourenglishwithevelyn❤

[@irinak43]

I hope that Kevin and Lisa will be clever and ignore your conversation about them. Sorry but you didn't sound convincing. Suggesting medical reasons is very mean.

[@АлександраСидоренко-с6ю]

Perhaps, that looks like a drama a bit, but for me this video was really helpful. Thank you. From now I’ll pay more attention choosing videos to learn foreign languages) maybe, that’s no so crucial, to speak without mistakes, but if someone starts correcting others, he or she should be absolutely right. Very emotional but great job

[@AsepHaryonoINDONESIA]

OMG. What happens to you guys. Stop fighting each other about teaching English correctly to people like me whose native language is not English. You make us sick. I am from Indonesia, I wanna improve my English from everywhere. Please stop it. We came here to learn English not to see who won the fight with other English content creators on KZbin. Greetings from Indonesia

[@myhappyending_9]

Narcissist/ borderline ? Hahah wtf u thought i was in a english teacher channel but I'm in a psychiatrist one. Please keep doing it it's very entertaining and I'm learning a lot

[@fakoneuwyong]

These teacher are too busy to explain who they are to the audience instead of teaching correct english & show that they're anti critiques too.