My Take on the Miller-Pettersson Situation in Vancouver

[@Jweldsandlifts]

I think all of this locker room turmoil in Vancouver has had a really negative impact on the Sabres, who just want everyone to get along.

[@CC-of5xl]

Unfortunately their captain doesn't

[@ALTDOK667]

LOL!

[@KashDarby]

LMAO

[@liam_thegoat99]

Its affecting the Sabres and clearly this is the reason why they can’t stop losing.

[@Ranbuowsatrawarriar]

😅

[@herowesley1804]

I honestly really don't care if you don't like each other, you're making millions to play Hockey so play hockey

[@freetimeflip6438]

Right. How many plugs do we have to talk to everyday to sort out small deals or worse working for any amount less than an NHL player and having to tune people out you can't stand. It's a part of life and by just doing well not letting the hate get to you, people that hate, will hate a lot more. (Confirmation Bias) Even killing people with kindness doesn't kill the hate.

[@spearmintmedia]

Hockey players basically grew up privileged their entire lives… sometimes it really shows

[@raymondclouston6255]

No kidding..grow up boys

[@Chimponaut]

They are playing, I doubt them slumping has anything to do with them not getting along.

[@davidwhidden9337]

Well, there was that one guy who made comments about someone's wife...

[@the6ig6adwolf]

Elliott Friedman has just reported that THG hates Naked Bob.

[@TheProph7]

THG used this video to get out ahead of it so it will be a non-issue :P

[@gobeethoth]

who isn't pissed off in the canucks organization right now. alvin is probably angry with tocchet. tocchet is probably mad at several of his players. rutherford is probably mad at everyone. the owners are probably angry as heck with the media. a better question these high school level reporters should be asking is "who isn't angry ?"

[@RustyKloud]

and the sabres stink

[@somerandomidiot1333]

And the fans always seem to be mad at something lol

[@CurriedBat]

Meh, they're not playing too bad. Still in the hunt. Set fins to attack mode.

[@idgafnation8620]

I use to read hockey news daily or even 3 times a day during the important and exciting things like trade deadlines, frenzy... but I now skip all drama based headlines and "assumption" articles. "Will they trade..." or "POSSIBLE trade options" as speculation is fun, but overdone in Canadian media. It's officially a waste of time to read them now. Your videos are the ONLY ones that show 2 sides and logical opinions without the hype. Keep it up bud.

[@MrGamman3yt]

There's enough real news, I don't want to hear speculation. I don't want to hear from players or coaches after a 80game season.

[@Sillywabbit22]

Last year the team truly had MAGIC. The crazy comebacks, the amazing offence, surprisingly strong defence, the Silovs hero run...and I think we just used it up. The magic is gone, the team just has no cohesion or chemistry. Last year was the most fun I ever had watching hockey, and this year it's just not fun at all, even in our wins.

[@randdomize858]

In a way it felt like this was destined to happen to Vancouver. One of those years with a new coach where everything just goes right. It's so hard to recapture that and suddenly expectations are high and tensions rise with every loss.

[@davyjones649]

Teams solved the Canucks

[@bartcanuck734]

Hmm what was different when they were rolling along?…… oh, no Petterson. Makes me laugh at how stupid their management is, grab a clue.

[@davyjones649]

@@bartcanuck734 Petterson played every game last season

[@drifter5682]

Trash defense number one problem and Vans media are just terrible

[@Fatazz]

Petterson, being interviewed at his locker after the game: Hey Miller, who do you hate more, me or reporters who keep pushing your buttons about me. Miller, yelling back: Reporters, but not by much.

[@tranquillo2741]

@@Fatazz Underrated comment. Beauty joke sir (if it wasn't so sad 😢)

[@xboxrules8472]

More likely " Hey, isn't it great they talk about us feuding instead of how much we SUCK at hockey?"

[@jeremyyano8926]

@@xboxrules8472 nailed it

[@empire0]

I feel bad for Hughes. He's such a chill dude and playing his ass off, and he has these 2 babies dragging things down

[@blackhawks9763]

He’s not resigning at this point. I wouldn’t blame him for leaving honestly.

[@rona6063]

All Canadian teams play in a fishbowl. If 2 of your top 3 players dislike each other in a Canadian market it's impossible to recover.

[@wainber1]

@@blackhawks9763 Quinn Hughes after this season has two left on his existing contract, and I believe not making it to a conference final in this season or either of the next two likely will be a strong pull away from re-signing with the same team. Then there are the disfunction and poor play. This month the Canucks so far have a win-regulation loss-OT loss-shootout loss record of 4-3-4-0 including, when having: - scored under 3 goals, 0-3-2-0 - allowed at least: - 3 goals, 1-3-4-0 - 4 goals, 1-2-2-0 Talk about throwing defence under the bus in a lot of games this month.

[@G_Ellis606]

Hughes will likely want to go to NJ and play with his brothers. He is very close with his brothers...can you imagine winning the cup with your 2 brothers!

[@SverigeiSverige]

@@blackhawks9763 Of course he's not going to resign, he's too young to quit.

[@gioblonk]

I genuinely feel that the way this market and media handles teams dynamics and how fast this shit always spiral way out of control and get blown out of proportion - that's why this market will never get a Stanley cup. I'm so disappointed that the majority of people still treat these humans like this. Thank you THG for being a proper voice of reason - I hope a lot more follow suit as opposed to making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[@tranquillo2741]

We need to organize a fan revolt against the blood sucking Vancouver hockey media. They bring the team down and sabotage our boys and I'm sick of it ✊

[@Eleutherios1]

The problem isn't a rift .. the problem is JT Miller. Him refusing to backcheck, going to the bench slowly, standing around straight legged and watching the play, yelling at teammates (petey, horvat, schenn, delia, lankinen) etc has nothing to do with Petey and everything to do with Miller. Petey isn't the one that needed a month off in the middle of the season. You don't see Petey fighting with anyone else, or yelling at anyone.. or anyone saying anything negative about Petey.. and Petey works his ass off defensively on the ice even when not scoring The issues, on and off the ice are always centered around miller.

[@sofsings101]

Nailed it. He needs to focus less on ordering everyone around and focus more on working hard

[@allghilliedup21]

He didn't yell at Lankinen, what are you talking about? He was trying to be the coach over Tocchet but Lankinen, as with other goalies, wait for the head coach to give him the nod to go or not, not his teammate.

[@chrisv384]

@@allghilliedup21 no it was some other goalie.. but still yeling at your own goalie...

[@Tompynn]

You need alpha/ ultra competitive guys to win. Reminds me of Kesler. He's a warrior and is WAY more valuable to the team than petey right now. You mentioned a couple of optics, but that's not what this is about. The culture toch and co are trying to build is exactly what Miller is.

[@OG785]

BS

[@darrenc9607]

The correct response from Pettersson last night would have been; "I like JT a hell of a lot more than I like the media." That would set them off on a whole other tangent.

[@CowsR4me]

putting the hyphen there makes it seem like they got married but neither of them wanted to take the others name and had to compromise

[@gerbeeee]

ok

[@charlottereed7603]

It's their "get along" hyphen 😂

[@justjohnny420]

Pettersson upset Miller's name is first 😒

[@randombutrelevant]

so what happens when 2 people with hyphenated last names get married? Do you get Jeff Nugent-Hopkins-Aube-Kubel?

[@snfriedm]

JT and Elias Miller-Petterson. Such a cute couple😍

[@Vis_Electra]

This situation between Miller and Petterson is a symptom. It's not the root cause. As you suggested, Vancouver needed to add on the blue line, which they didn't do. Winning would fix the issue, but in order to win more games, you'd need to add at least a Top 4 defenseman and probably upgrade on the third pairing as well. Right now they don't have that kind of cap space. (Idk how good their draft capital is...) So if you would trade one of the core pieces it would probably be Miller in exchange for said defenseman. That limits Patrick Allvins options, because everyone and their three mothers want to add on the blue line.

[@Merlin_From_Shrek_3]

Juulsen and Desharnais are not it chief

[@McBigP13]

Getting rid of Ian Cole was bad decisions. He made massive mistakes in the playoffs but he was very very very good defensively. With hronek injured, the problem is much more glaring in defense. Last year defensive lines were fixed but this year back to the same problem canucks faced before last year.

[@matturner6890]

"everyone and their three mothers" Is that a translated idiom from another language or something? Never seen that one!

[@sooptime]

The exact right take on this. Media is milking it and sustaining their social presence on this. I can think of several. Sick of hearing the question on post-game interviews. Give it a rest. There's guys on every team who don't get along. The two are very different character.

[@CC-of5xl]

The difference is other players don't let it affect their on ice play so much. If they don't want questions they should do their jobs

[@sooptime]

@@CC-of5xl Like THG says, way too much discussion. The constant questions about it will do nothing. They won't get an answer from the players. Maybe the press could focus on the Canucks doing something about the D.

[@historyrepeating]

I just read Patrick Johnston’s latest article and I couldn’t help thinking what a f*cking tool. He dedicated a good chunk of it to praising media as the voice of fans… and since everything is expensive in this economy (no kidding?) the players should be there to answer all reporter questions post-game cos tix are expensive or something? I’m all for criticizing the on ice play of Petey and Miller but if Petey gets annoyed at reporter questions or Miller decides not to be there at all… so what? The article is basically him telling fans not to criticize media because “they are us” 😆 Again Petey/Miller deserve criticism but the likes of PJ acting like they are doing altruistic work on behalf of us regular fans is hilarious.

[@CC-of5xl]

@sooptime what do you mean? They did finally answer the questions. Also if they want this stuff private then they should have kept it private. It's completely unprofessional to let personal issues affect job performance especially when you make the kind of money they do and are public facing figures.

[@sooptime]

@@CC-of5xl The D is the issue for them. If they were not struggling so much the EP and JT issue would be lessened. I agree, they are professional, highly paid, adults and they need to sort out whatever the differences are and get their shit together. But speculation and media questions about it aren't going to be answered. Nobody but them know exactly what's going on. It's clear that the two of them are have opposing personalities. They work it out like professionals or one gets unloaded, if it gets that far.

[@TheDeepShallow]

Miller seems to be the common factor, which sucks because I like the way he plays more than Pettersson

[@blackhawks9763]

The ONLY thing against Miller is his age. He makes less money, he plays much, much better. The playoff series last year was a HUGE example, he’s the #1 C of this team, etc…. Petey is soft as tissue paper, while Miller actually stands up. I know for a damn fact that, even Garland is more useful and noticeable than #40.

[@Eleutherios1]

@@blackhawks9763 LOL he absolutely does not play better. His lazy play just cost the team 3 games in a row.

[@blackhawks9763]

@@Eleutherios1 Remember when “pEtEy” had like 5 goals in like 60-70 games, some crazy statistic like that. JT Miller was leading charge with Hughes, with Lank, with Garland, etc….. Where was #40 then? Can’t pull the “injury excuse” this time. Miller maybe outspoken, but trust me. People will respect that, more than a guy who makes big money, doesn’t give 100% each night, looks lost/lazy, etc…..

[@slyywalkr]

@@Eleutherios1millsy has had the team on his back Quinn Hughes style why does a slump define him especially in the midst of this and his absence

[@cory4129]

If Miller learnt how to back check I'd say he is better. But he refuses to play in his own end. At least Petterson can play good defensive hockey when he isn't scoring

[@swells2040]

Do these things sometimes get overblown? Absolutely. But these locker room problems an absolutely sink a team. I’m an Avs fan, and I’m happy for Matt Duchene finding success elsewhere, but it was also better for the team when he got traded

[@professordogwood8985]

I agree with another commentator, there is a common denominator with Miller having rifts with Delia, Schenn, Petterson, and Horvat. Only one of those four guys is still around. I can understand frustrations with Delia or even Schenn but having a public rift amongst the captaincy level with Horvat and Pettersson is not good. I really wonder if JT costed the Canucks a captain.

[@danielnam9026]

Quinn is still around, unless you’re suggesting Horvat was a better captain than Quinn.

[@xDefender11]

@@danielnam9026Quinn is the better captain, I’ll tell you that for free

[@samslone9457]

What would Horvat do for us? Over 8 mill for 50 points would be as equal to what we're getting from Petterson for all that money.

[@dougweeks9288]

Sounds like the hockey guy is a lot smarter then the people in charge of this team

[@Bowman1999]

Now I know why they named Hughes Captain

[@justinthomson2021]

I think the reason it's the "sexy" topic is because it's not two 3 million dollar players. It's a 20 million dollar feud that is potentially hurting the performances of two guys needing to contribute more to justify their allotment of cap space.

[@mbertrand]

Both great players. Sad to see.

[@noorkidwai]

Yup they need both of them. Trading either would be horrible

[@douglassun8456]

I agree that postgame interviews - press availability in general - is completely uninteresting. Players these days are savvy enough to know that if they don't choose their words carefully, what they say will get blown out of proportion and they'll look bad. Even if they do choose their words carefully, they know it will happen anyway. The only postgame pressers I've enjoyed in the past 15 years were Darryl Sutter trolling the reporters (Dustin Penner could do the same, when he got the chance).

[@hunedog8693]

In my eyes you are about as true a hockey fan as anyone can be. In a town of bandwagon fans as ruthless and turncoat as can be. Canada Russia 1972 Phil Esposito post game interview after 5-3 loss in Vancouver. Does anyone remember? I sure as heck do.

[@kempnercanucks]

Excellent video! Love your take on the Canucks

[@timdowney6721]

It’s rare to have any interviews that are illuminating. Partly because the players/coaches speak mostly in cliches, and partly because reporters enable cliches with their questions.

[@BeastOfMetal1989]

The reporters "have" to enable clichés, or they risk banishment from the locker room. It's the "access journalism" problem, which itself is a symptom of for-profit journalism.

[@DChappelle27]

It usually isnt a big deal when its a plug not getting along with someone. When its two of your top forwards that are supposed to be leading the team and its affecting the players play, it becomes more of an issue and gets more attention.

[@patch8376]

Congrats on 334k!

[@mattblom3990]

It's ugly being that Hughes and Tocchet won't deny it anymore. Tocchet's "They don't need to play Playstation together" shall live in infamy.

[@chemguy5468]

The good ol' Canadian market is quite the double-edged sword

[@BramStoked-uq4hp]

For hockey. Nothing like football, baseball and basketball drama in American cities. Sports = Big egos. Limited number of years to play.

[@INMATEofARKHAM]

My take is that I'm pretty sure that Miller hates the media just as much as he hates Pettersson.😂

[@Spaniard9717]

He's supposed to say, "Are we best friends? No. But that doesn't mean we don't respect each other and want to do the best we can for the team. We both share the same goal that the whole team does, we want this team to win." Then when he gets asked if it's a distraction he's supposed to say, "No. No it's not a distraction. Honestly, the only time this rumour gets talked about within the team is when we are being interviewed. Which I understand why since it's such a strong hockey market and every potential rumour could be a story. But no, it's not a distraction for anyone on the team. I think we have some on ice issues as a team we need to figure out so we can play like we know we can play." Now, this might be asking a lot from someone who has just lost a game but at the same time, it comes with the job. It also might be asking a lot of a player who's first language isn't english. Which is a fair point. But, it's on the Canucks to either help their players learn how to talk with the media or just don't let their players talk to the media. I don't like the latter. The media are always going to ask these questions because these stories get clicks. People make comments and posts with these topics. So, it's best to know it and answer things in a way that doesn't give the clickbait headlines.

[@robscott9414]

Long. Hard. Clap. You nailed it!

[@Mandsfoo]

Love the disney sweater paired with the year of the rabbit cap!

[@LSA30]

For me, the biggest example of two people finding a way to coexist and work together despite their differences is Mythbusters. Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman have always stated that they don't like each other, and you can even see it in certain moments of the show, but their *respect* for each other and their work allowed them to come up with awesome builds and ideas to test for almost 15 years.

[@okyouknowwhatever]

Savage is definitely Miller and Hyneman is Petey

[@defaultuser1447]

Adam has a YT channel, and answers questions from fans in some. He's discussed various aspects of that.

[@shrmp3350]

Please just don’t let one of these guys bail out the rangers

[@deltagolavista1]

JT Miller was no where to be seen on the OT goal too.

[@justjohnny420]

I didn't see it, but isn't lazy backcheck a constant issue with Miller?

[@jasongreenwood9734]

@@deltagolavista1 he was already out of the play in the first seconds of OT. Completely burned

[@blackhawks9763]

The alarming part is that this was known issue before Bruce was even hired as a coach. Yes, the fans and the media didn’t know. But the organization definitely knew, since they warned Boudreau. And now they have a different coach, and the problem has gotten much worse. Only a fool would think this can be talked about and water will be under the bridge all of a sudden.

[@darrinnoel8781]

You make a lot of sense Shannon. I don't believe there ever was a feud . They were pushing & shoving during an intense practice a few months ago & said some things to each other but that was it ! Similar situations happen on every NHL team. There has been no other evidence what so ever of a feud between them. It's sad & frankly pathetic that the sports media & fans on social media continue to speculate & gossip about it. The focus should be on the team needing to play better because they've been inconsistent & there is a danger of missing the playoffs. And yes Miller & Petterson need to both play a lot better otherwise the team won't make the playoffs , but stop the speculation & gossip on the supposed feud. My advice to the sports media & fans : "If your into fantasy stories go & buy some comic books".

[@tylerlavoie5963]

Thanks, for the great insight! I live out of the country and I like to try and keep up to date with the Canucks. I feel that this year I have no idea where this team came from, there are so many new guys, and many are doing great. I would love to see a video of who this years team is, where they came from, and where there are going.... If you can.... thanks again for all.

[@bengagnon6947]

Yes finally some common sense with a streamer thank you! Getting real tired of the media and fans blowing this up like they know what happens when the camera is off. The media and fans are gonna drive these guy's out of Vancouver... so dramatic

[@christopherkuzek9816]

i always hated bill for his towel

[@coyotecreekband236]

Gossipy market in Vancouver? That's well put, but almost an understatement.

[@trippinout.]

Heard Daniel and Henrik Sedin hated each other and still performed on the same line.

[@ashepherd39675]

Wasn’t Milker an issue a few years ago. He put up a ton of points and everyone pretended to forget

[@valkeryie5650]

Miller did come out, it's on gloves channel. Good interview there

[@susanho2221]

Thank you Shannon for standing in the middle except for those toxic "SO CALLED FANS" when their actually Petey and Miller Haters

[@bluesdemitra38]

Miller did the same thing in Tampa, then drove Horvat away and Elias is his latest target. Dude is toxic. Trade him while he still has value.

[@lisamazur7673]

"It's weird, Bill".😂

[@romancravic2103]

Have you ever been to Montreal Shannon?

[@MarkCMG]

Thanks for the video! Canucks are in pretty good shape.

[@waldemardaninsky25]

Vancouver fans will regret deeply trading Pettersson instead of Miller.

[@severed111]

Reminds me of the Saku Koivu / Mike RIbeiro situation with the habs 20 years ago, similar players, although Koivu when not injured was much better for a small guy as 2 ways centre, but they're similar as in pass first playmakers who can score close to or about 30 goals (Koivu would've if it wasn't for all the time spent injured, he only started to be stable in his last couple seasons with mtl and when he had 3rd line role in Anaheim, where he was paired with Selanne on the PP). They both had their "crew" within the team who hated each other and rallied around either one of em and the neutral guys were disliked by both, hopefully if one gets traded, the Canucks don't get robbed like when Montreal traded Ribeiro to Dallas for Janne Niinimaa , a 3rd pair defenseman at best who was gone after 30 games back to Europe! Not a Canucks fan (it's even hard for people east of Edmonton/Calgary or even east of Winnipeg to get psyched about the Canucks, all that much even if we want a Canadian team to win the cup), but I wish there's no stupid expedited move like this made by the GM.

[@brettrossi034]

This is the one thing i am thankful for with my NJDevils. The team seems to all get along great and are more like a brotherhood or family. Personal problems translating to rifts between players definitely sucks and effects performance. Vancouver definitely has had their share of drama over the years. Hopefully they can work it out. Media also loves stoking the flames a lot as well

[@retflo2583]

I cannot make a comment, as there are too many funny takes on this already, your followers are great.....

[@bangyahead1]

There's also the option of putting Petterson back on right wing, where he started his career and was quite effective.

[@DneilB007]

I think the only solution is to get Petey and JT together at the table and have them agree on how they are going to troll the press in interviews in January. Petey should tell JT what terrible things he should say about Petey, and JT should tell Petey what terrible things Petey should say about JT to the media. This would accomplish two things: they get to vent about the other guy without causing any friction, and teaming up to troll the media would make them see the other guy as their partner instead of their rival, and that’s guaranteed to spill over onto the ice. I know that all this stuff would end as soon as one of them said, “I f**kin hate that guy. He’s always grumpy, he just growls at everyone, and he f**kin killed Dumbledore! I hate that guy!”

[@fredbrandl880]

So true. Ya’ I think hockey players have the most boring interviews they are all conditioned to say the same boring answers. I get it they are basically answering the same questions over and over. After Hours is the only interview where the player let’s down his guard and is actually human.

[@Kammi444]

Thank you for doing this video. You get it!!!!!!

[@christhornycroft3686]

Why is it that when the Canucks aren’t performing in recent memory JT Miller always seems to be in the middle of everything? He’s not the captain. I appreciate his passion and play when things are going well, but when they aren’t, he’s toxic and whenever there’s a team issue going back to Bo, JT seems to be involved, and not in a positive way.

[@erikrutherford8202]

JT miller is your go to guy. Wh y was he away from the team

[@jamesanthony5681]

He's not their captain? Leadership can come from anywhere on the roster, from the bottom 6 or the top 6. You don't need to have the *C* on your jersey to push other players.

[@danielnam9026]

I’m told this was how the team (JTM as the catalyst) wanted to push Petey because of his slump dating back to last season’s All-Star break. It’s looking to be more toxic than beneficial to Petey and a detriment to the team collectively.

[@davidmiles6845]

You are right on ..... "what are they supposed to say?" Neither guy can say anything without the press making a way bigger deal out of it than they already have. Also post game interviews are pretty much a total waste of time, there is nothing very enlightening about stock answers to bland questions. Like after the goalie makes a 50 save shutout.... How do you think your goalie performed tonight? And that's about as good as it gets.

[@cjzizzari2405]

I really resent this idea that sports media is supposed to show up after the game exclusively. Ask questions only about things on ice and then leave like that would be in anyway. Interesting for any fan to watch or read sports are 50% sports and 50% story so these reporters going there and trying to get interesting thoughtful answers about current events with the team out of the players is not weird. It’s actually their job.

[@conradcoolerfiend]

Hughes is carrying this team on his back. If he gets injured this team goes to the basement instantly unless other players start performing.

[@joelface]

Highly, highly accurate.

[@RRaquello]

Petersson would probably be better off in a non-Canadian market if he gets annoyed by media prying. I think Long Island would be a good landing spot, maybe in a deal involving BC boy Matt Barzal going back home, and some other players on both sides. This sounds like the pissy little spats that come out of the NBA and I hope we don't start getting that BS in hockey, but the tone of it probably comes more from the local media than the players involved. Vancouver really is the California of Canada.

[@REAPER-1xxx]

Next CBA the players could push for less media availability. They should also push for referee availability. The media is the worst part of hockey in many ways but necessary in so many others. When media members are respected by players it’s fantastic. But so many are not respected by players and do nothing but bring negativity from the social media world into the locker room.

[@HeavenlyHouse]

Disliking someone isn't a problem, but if one of the two is beaking off and criticizing you to other people in your organization then it absolutely is a problem.

[@9-seven]

Hasn't Miller been problematic with each team for which he's played? The common denominator suggests the issue isn't exactly comparable to every other team.

[@douggarden]

EXACTLY....Miller has been traded from every team he's been on....he is utter cancer for the dressing room with his huge ego & childish temper

[@Tompynn]

​@douggarden yeah every player who plays on multiple teams is traded or left unsigned... that doesn't make sense. He's a competitive guy and hates that as soon as petey got his pay day his production and effectiveness tanked significantly. It'd be infuriating to be around that. Look at when he signed his big ticket and look at when he started playing average. Coincides

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

@@Tompynnyet hes the one who cant even put in the effort to defend. 8M salary and you only play when you feel like it- gtfoh

[@driftwood42]

My wife got the same disney sweatshirt that you were wearing in this video. Its a great one.

[@dreww47]

Hearing your tone of voice reminds me of your older videos on the canucks… not much has changed lol

[@tdfmtig]

Two teammates not getting along like this screams immaturity

[@RRaquello]

Does everybody love each other where you work? Where I work there were people who downright hated each other. It's part of the job.

[@brianhobaugh]

@@RRaquelloTrue, but they need to man up, for the sake of the team, and play the game. They aren’t getting paid millions to act like little children.

[@okyouknowwhatever]

Miller's supposedly gotten on other players nerves as well in Van (Horvat, Myers) and Tampa made 3 straight SCFs after unloading him. And apparently he was a sour apple in New York as well. It seems like a pattern. We all know of persons like this, who's stealing all the energy.

[@tdfmtig]

@ No but a hockey team is supposed to be a brotherhood and if it is causing a distraction then it is a problem 100%

[@vaporterra]

I cohost a podcast for my local soccer team and we are thankful to have access to players and coaches post game. There’s a certain level of tact that I think has been lost and it contributes to players not liking the media. Who can blame them?

[@dave.station935]

The Miller-Pettersson situation is crazy

[@professordogwood8985]

I always thought a lot of celebrity relationships ended because the press would ask questions that the celebrity couple would never ask of themselves.

[@tomt457]

Nicely said, although, I'm just generally frustrated as a Canucks fan from as far back as 1980. It seems we are cursed no matter how you look at it, as it seems there is always something negative unique to this club more often than not, lol!

[@patsgarage8593]

This is just my opinion but from the outside looking in this looks like a distraction and I think it will be a distraction until one of them is traded.

[@nigeljoycey5644]

You are right, hopefully alvin can make some moves to boost the blue line

[@isaiahwirch9389]

Great point of view

[@rayflojenkins8689]

There is a noticeable difference in play from Petterson, and to some extent Debrusk, when Miller not in the lineup. And other Vancouver coaches have mentioned it was an issue in the past.

[@MarkSmith-ho5yc]

You just never know whats happening behind the scenes. I remember back in the 80s when a rift between Al Iafrate and Gary Leeman over Iafrates wife pretty much destoyed a whole team loaded with potential.Multiple trades ensued with Leeman getting beat up by Dave Semenko. It really did have a ripple effect that went through the whole team.

[@aralornwolf3140]

Or more recently, the Hoffman + Karlson rift in Ottawa... it's not every day that a wife of a hockey player gets a restraining order against the wife of thier husband's teammate.

[@Tomcat5837]

Maverick & Iceman didn't get along, they still managed to work together.

[@rloewen]

"All I know is that if we stick together and play as a team, everything will be alright"

[@closethockeyfan5284]

I kid you not: about a week ago, I had a dream that I encountered you in the supermarket doing a live trade video in which both were salary dumped and a fan from a few aisles over toppled the shelves in frustration.

[@Tomatohater64]

As long as they're not messing around with one another's wife/girlfriend, this situation is laughable and solvable.

[@glgl7676]

Kirk McLean was Canucks best goalie ever, Jeff Brown on the other hand…

[@coolhandmooses]

I never understood why Miller took over the right side on the PP. in EP40’s rookie year he was the most dangerous player I’ve seen on that side since Naslund. Miller should be the one tipping and crashing the crease not Petey. It was extremely evident to me that Miller’s presence has slowed Petey’s progression. He’s an extremely intelligent player, having Miller acting like a player coach must be so frustrating, he doesn’t need Miller bossing him around. I say trade Miller for a top 4 defender and whatever else they can get.

[@glgl7676]

Canucks led the league in SHG given up last year cuz Miller plays way too high and does not back check when the team coughs up the puck in the o-zone. Same thing just happened vs Ottawa.

Both are brilliant talented players. Miller is a not-so-closeted headcase/alpha male. I can easily envision Petey's much meaker, softer personality being intimidated by JT's. I shared two, row twelve, centre ice season tickets at The Rink on Renfrew, during Pavel's first three seasons. To say that I was broken-hearted upon his departure, would be one of the understatements of the previous millennium. P.S., Going forward, I would, (just slightly) hope that they keep both men, or, if only one, stick with Petey.

[@joelface]

It's a storyline because the Canucks are losing while everyone is paying close attention to the team. I wish that the organization had simply said that Miller was recovering from an injury when he took his personal leave -- it was TOO exciting for a hockey mad market to truly leave it alone, especially after a few gaffes by the Canucks in handling it. I am convinced that that is part of why we're talking about this now. I AM a little amazed by how quickly we went from people chanting JT's name at a wrestling event he wasn't even present for to calling him to be traded away for his toxic attitude. LITERALLY less than a month apart. I would LOVE for this storyline to die.. it's boring and stupid. It's not about hockey. It's not why the Canucks are losing. It's just a big stinky media fart. That said, I appreciate THG addressing it the way he did today, and I agree with him. Let's please, as a fan base, move on. We don't need to call for trades. Just ignore this dumb noise.

[@IndyBal-c7d]

Who has more trade value, Miller or Patterson?

[@atlasfeynman1039]

Confirmed THG Exclusive: "Pettersson accuses Miller of setting his car on fire following game." 4:25

[@beaudiddley9333]

Agreed. Another failure of so called mainstream media. Would rather hear bloggers questions. You guys need access. Let the players decide whichedia they want to talk to.

[@tripleh962]

What stupid thing to say

[@TylerEL]

As a Pens fan i'd trade you Marcus Pettersson for Elias Pettersson, so we can save some money on the jerseys. You'd have to take Karlsson too tho.

[@samslone9457]

Pylons both but wouldn't surprise me. That's all Jim and Alvin have done, chase after Pittsburgh ex players

[@JH-jw7pu]

JT Miller also has a no movement clause. It’s not possible to trade him unless he requests one.

[@scarey9695]

Yea I agree there mostly likely 2 players on any/every team that may not like each other, however when these 2 players who are the top 2 or 3 on the team are having issues then IMO this is completely different. A good example is Toronto last year in the playoffs when Marner had a melt down on the bench with Nylander calling out Marner (perhaps Matthews as well), look at what happened Toronto bounced by Boston. If Desharnais and Hoglander are having a tiff you think one isnt traded or sent down?

[@BahamutBreaker]

Interpersonal rifts between millionaire teammates are so incredibly stupid. Pick your teammate up. That’s what you do in a team sport. If you can’t do that, get a therapist.

[@danielnam9026]

That’s not something they do in Vancouver though.

[@gordonmacdowell8117]

I've worked at some places where we all got along and a lot more places where there was at least one person you didn't like, and in both cases you showed up and did your job like an adult. Having both your top centres struggling to play like they're not average 3rd liners means the two snipers (Brock and DeBrusk) have to get set up in shooting position by Hughes or someone else. Winning definitely makes everything easier.

[@Tompynn]

Yeah those places probably were VERY different than an nhl team that spends more time with each other than they do their families. Can't compare an average civilian job to an nhl team, there's almost nothing comparable to what jobs you've worked and the dynamic of an elite professional sports team, no offense. Apples and oranges

[@gordonmacdowell8117]

@@Tompynn There are a lot of people who work in camps and in worksites away from their families for stretches, but it's the multi-millionaires who can't get along that deserve all our sympathy. In the military you get absolutely zero say about who you work with and get frequently separated from your family.

[@TheGrandeGamer]

It’s drama and gossip. A lot of people love that stuff now a days. That’s why people are talking about it, and that’s why it hasn’t died down

[@kittychatalot]

Love the spirit jersey! Happy everything!

[@joeyabb1965]

Thing to keep in mind, a locker room of players not liking each other is not uncommon. Some of those teams actually win. BUT the mitigating factor in those types of locker rooms is an abundance of high value talent. i. e. Chicago Bulls of the 80s/90s. The nucks seem to have an unhealthy locker room and there is not high value talent in there outside of one player. Also Kepp in mind the rift may be between two players but each player will have other players in their camp. Hence the rift is not really between just two players. You’ll normally have three caps, team Miller, team Petterson and then team I don’t care.

[@genralrevelation7588]

Bruins would love JT Miller they desperately need a top 6 center

[@ShawnBlaque]

Edmonton must be losing their minds they can finally complete the Kane Perry Miller line lol

[@sterlingkeful340]

The problem is the Vancouver media. I am a big Vancouver fan but I find the media to be constantly looking for something to complain about, they put everything in the most negative extreme light, and most of them are bad at their job. I love the team through thick and thin and just enjoy it more not paying attention the outrage merchants.

[@CC-of5xl]

How are you blaming the media when 2 man children can't do their job they get paid millions for because they don't like eachother? I'm not surprised now that neither of them showed up in the playoffs.

[@lindsytannock7969]

This is not as bad as the media is making out to be. Petty and Miller are fine. Swedish players are notoriously calm and consistent, where North American player tend to wear their hearts on their sleeves, and way more emotional. These two personalities will clash when poop hits the fan. They both want to win, they are both ultra competitive. I believe that once they start to put a string of wins together, things will smooth out. This adversity is good for the team.

[@Bestbiggsy]

If we just had a competent blueline the results would be a tick better and no one would be talking about this. The reality is our 5 on 5 shot generation is so poor and it's all down to not having dudes who can move the puck effectively at all on the back end outside of Hughes.