My Thought on the future Roadmap of Planet Coaster 2

[@Ramseys-z3h]

I’d love some more children’s rides in the game

[@flaffstar_99]

That's so true! I just started building a small family area and noticed there are nearly now small children flat rides

[@johnpace2089]

I'd like to see a carnival Yo Yo, an Orbitron and please bring back all of the classic rides we had in PC1.

[@LordTopley]

Additionally the ability to specify the height of tower rides. That way we can make lower intensity shorter versions of the drop tower rides. Amazing we can’t do that considering Rollercoaster Tycoon has this ability.

[@Geekism]

Little children's rides, while the adults stand by and take photos? Oh yeah that would be awesome

[@CivilianSatellite]

I've gone back to playing PC1 lately. It's my comfort game and I know how to play it to build parks the way that I want to. I'm with you in that PC2 has a "different game" feel to it. It's hard to explain, but it almost feels like I have to relearn how to play the game, and I think it has more to do with the missing features that were in the previous game versus any of the new features. These updates are very encouraging though. I know PC2 will hook me at some point, but for now I'm content with taking my time finishing up my parks in PC1.

[@missaamane8580]

I get exactly what you are saying I never thought I would go back to playing Planet coaster one but I did and I don't hate Planet coaster too but I just felt like if you're going to release the game at least have the basic necessities in the game that were already in the prequel. You are essentially releasing stuff as updates that should have been standard in the game. It was just a little bit too buggy for me and I grew impatient

[@AG7-MTM]

One interjection: I've actually completely switched to PC2 - it's new coaster builder makes PC1 look like RCT World (In a manner of form of course, absolutely not a manner of function - RCTW was stomped there)

[@imlewisblackman]

This is why I’ve not bought the game yet. Taking a step back and watching all this unfold, I’ll give them my money when the game is how is should be

[@scaryhobbit211]

I've been playing other games entirely, but I have PC2 on standby in my Steam library for when the game is finally enough along that I can build what I really want. As much as I like PC1, PC2 just runs so much better in comparison. Once we get all the old features and themes back, combined with all the game-changing new features, at that point I see no reason to go back to PC1 ever again.

[@jadawngriffis3745]

Planco 2 released unfinished. The pathing in planco 2 hooked me and the lighting. If you put a blue object next to a white wall, the color blue glows on the white wall in the sunlight, and it just looks amazing.

[@CoasterThunder]

So happy they’re doing this gives me hope for the game

[@JamesRoberts-u3q]

Yeah, it really needs this extra development. There is no quick fix.

[@lumi3629]

I totally agree! It feels not like a Planet Game. For me it feels like a Jurassic Game. (I only played the first) already there the guest felt like soulless decoration in your park. Guests in PC2 feel the same.

[@RudiRennkamel]

Wouldn't go that far tbh. But in what it behaves it has similarities

[@LancerX916]

As Geekism said in his video, if this does not excite you, and you still are mad at the company, maybe this game is not for you. Yes, should this all have been in at launch? Sure, but at least they are putting it in. Some companies would not even do that.

[@JamesRoberts-u3q]

Definitely. I agree.

[@ronanthompson2582]

Not enough people are playing the game, and you want to push away the frustrated but interested ones? That sounds like bad math to me.

[@joostvanweerden5143]

Frontier isnt doing great financially. PC2 should have been the next cash cow. Right now 1600 people are playing the game. I dont know if: If you dont like the game now the game isnt for you is a good attitude to keep Frontier alive.

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

"Maybe this thing isn't for you" in this situation is a cop out that only benefits, at best, fans butthurt by their game receiving rightful criticism. Does not benefit the devs (less sales), does not benefit the game (less positive criticism to point out flaws that can be ironed out), does not benefit the other players (less willingness by remaining players to speak up about problems). If you do this to games you like, you're kicking them in the shin.

[@bravoyankee1632]

I want the game to succeed that’s why I’m mad at the company. Is it that foreign of a concept. Frontier knows how to make a good game (planet coaster 1). To just bounce away valid criticism by blaming people who play the game is ridiculous.

[@AG7-MTM]

I'm glad that most of the current issues are proactively being fixed - If Frontier follows a similar suit to Parkitect or CS2, adding official modding support could actually take a load off Frontier's shoulders - The community can help with development too!

[@scaryhobbit211]

With how big TMTK was for the first game, I bet it eventually will come to PC2 as well.

[@AnAngelineer]

What annoys me the most with the "negativity" around this game (and many in the same situation) is that there is an equation of "there are stuff that should have been there at launch" with "this game sucks". I agree Planco 2 felt a bit lacking, especially on day 1 (it's much better already. some changes to the UI flow are already massive improvements). But it was possible to have fun and build nice things within the game right from the start. As I always say "we should push to get improvements if we can (and here, we can!), but saying a game sucks is an exaggeration when many people have already started building mega parks and spent 100+ hours on it in a month". I'm about to make a controversial statement that will shock the average gamer to the core. But I am a dev. Not in a game company, but I work with Unity and 3D. And seeing how much work a modern game like Planco 2 would require, I think gamers have grown to have very unrealistic expectations of what they should get for what price. I blame, mostly, free-to-play games, who have completely distorted the perspective of the consumers (despite most free-to-play actually failing and not being profitable), as well as this false idea that "it's easy to copy paste stuff from the previous game into the new one", which is utterly false from a technical/programming standpoint. And also, with the increasing economic troubles going on in the world, prices for video games are likely to go up. In fact, I would even question if free-to-play will still truly be a thing in 10 years, because the model is becoming increasingly unsustainable. At the end of the day, developers must eat and pay their bills. In a context of a worse world economy, "free content" and "free work" (including unpaid overtime, which carries the game industry HARD right now) will become more rare, and this is going to affect the game industry and the Internet a LOT. Gamers had it especially good in the last decade in terms of prices. But I don't see that continue forever. Gamers will have to accept a "degradation" of what they can get for their buck, or otherwise they won't be able to play anything anymore in the long term.

[@RayCanino]

I love the game... Im taking a break from it, Something just feels off for me. All I want is a stamp tool for cattle pen queues and I dont see that coming anytime soon... Im happy the path they are going but like you said, this should have been fixed or worked out on launch, But Planet Coaster is the only game I will pre order, most games i wishlist and wait for reviews. But hoping it wont take months for me to get back in the game. 💜

[@beencreating]

I really thought that they’d have some kind of entry ticket booths to purchase tickets before entering the park in PC2 especially since so many people made ticket booths in their parks for PC1. Even if some guests had “pre purchased” and walk straight through the gates and then others use the ticket booth shop front to stop it being awkwardly slow to fill the park

[@SketchyAnt]

I'm excited that custom video billboards are returning, now I can start thinking about creating some animated ads and whatever else for my parks. I'm enjoying the game though. I get some of the frustrations people have, but I do also think people can get overly aggressive and demanding. I know we're in this game for the long haul and I hope it will be great for the people that are currently not wanting to play it.

[@coasterzigner]

There's a lot of reasons that this game has less players, but I think one of the biggest ones is that to run this game efficiently, you need a newer and stronger computer system, and that means more invested money than just buying a game. For me, I'm right inbetween. My system can run the game but it's blotchy and I can only play casually (plus the bugs and crashes), so I haven't played as vigorously as I'd like. It's a bummer but that means over time I'll have to wait to get into the game more. I've always been "behind the curve" so I assume by the time I'm able to get a better rig, Planet Zoo 2 will be the new big thing and no one will be playing PC2 (haha, but seriously, the gaming community is so quick to move on). But then again, there's a LOT of other reasons, from external forces like community bias that ruined the "fun" of the game, to internal forces like Frontier not giving us the basic "not aquatic park" sets (this doesn't bother me but I know it bothers a LOT of the community). That being said, there's still hope so long as the community understands they need to be patient (something we've lost as humans over the last 50 years).

[@scaryhobbit211]

Your assumption in the last sentence is pretty obviously false: You can't build rides, coasters, and waterslides in a Planet Zoo 2, and not all of us really care to build zoos and micromanage animals. We are two separate audiences. Furthermore, the biggest reason why PC1 fell off after Planet Zoo came out was because 1) that game's engine is NOT suited for mega parks despite everyone's efforts, and 2) because they stopped developing anything for it. It all ended after the Ghostbusters pack and Planet Zoo's release in 2019. Frontier to their credit is now focusing on supporting PC2 and Planet Zoo 1 at the same time, which is a nice change from before when they abandoned PC1 to focus on PZ. If they can support both PC2 and a future Planet Zoo 2 simultaneously, that can enable Frontier to keep growing both and do some really special stuff... liiiiiike a crossover? That would make both audiences very happy.

[@aaronroberts12567]

Only just noticed this whilst watching your video, the top left of the image has a guest that's higher than usual, guests usually lay down on the flumes so maybe guests might sit up in an update? That or maybe we're getting a new type of flume, I think he's too short for it to be one of those stand up flumes, but who knows haha. Anyway, I'm unsure where I stand with Planet Coaster at the moment. I think Frontier being transparent is great and it's nice to know about these features, but I think everyone is aware how bad the water rides are in game, and a lot of that was mentioned during Planet Coaster 1's development and they didn't really do much with it. Some prebuilt coaster pieces are jank too :/ however, I think with the announcement of jettison & flumes having a rounded bottom, it gives me hope! I hope they do well and I hope people come back.

[@JakeNation4]

What are your thoughts on Ride Photos not being included in the roadmap yet? Do you think they pushed it out to fix the existing issues, and do you still think it’s a feature that’s coming in a future update?

[@scaryhobbit211]

Judging by the comments under this video, this roadmap announcement is really doing a good job filtering out the fanbase. Yes, everyone knows Planet Coaster 2 was rushed. Yes, it should have been either delayed or put in early access. To me, when the company is now fully out in the open on its intentions to fix the game and make it truly great, there comes a time when a line should be drawn between constructive criticism to point out things to keep fixing... and those who just want to shit on the game and scream that its dead. Because the truth is, as harsh as the rushed launch was, neither PC2 nor Frontier are dead: It was announced today that Frontier returned to profit in the 2nd half of the fiscal year thanks to PC2 and PC1, when prior to this the company was hemorrhaging money due to their F1 and Warhammer flops. This is very good news, as it's bought them the time they need to bring this game to its full potential - which will lead to continued sales in the future. Eventually there will be no reason to go back to PC1 at all, as PC2 will have fixed everything and will be the superior game in both gameplay and content.

[@RudiRennkamel]

I agree whilst I will say, the report was made PRIOR to the launch and the reception ;) So they should be cautios. The profit mostly came from staff cuts, income due to selling the RCT3 licence etc.

[@MisterMotel]

Notification settings is now an update worth making a roadmap for? All these updates should have been made before launch.

[@benhoffman8264]

I would really like if CS2 provided a better road map like this. It's not common because if the dev has a set back then players will get rightfully upset. Seems like all games now come out in beta and get finished based on feedback. At this point we just have to buy games from devs we trust will continue to give their games support after launch.

[@Shwafta]

For me, I really hope the "guest navigation" improvements are what I think they are. The first game, although it had pretty bad issues with guest navigation / pathing, is still miles better than this game's pathing and navigation. Guests don't spread out over paths properly, tend to bunch up in weird ways... That makes the game feel way too un-realistic and kinda removes the sim aspect out of it.

[@JumpySnake-6088]

I think maybe the reason to why the game has a different feel is because of the saturated graphics. It makes the game feel a lot more cartoonish and a little less realistic which was probably what they were going for. They probably thought it suited the theme park style a lot more. Personally though I like the less saturated graphics but it’s not like it’s a flaw in the game just an unfamiliar style

[@csch1510]

I think it works for the 'playful' themes such as Resort and Aquatic. For a lot of themes it's too much though.

[@RudiRennkamel]

But the first was the same way and it wasn't that big of a deal

[@csch1510]

@@RudiRennkamel Strange, don't remember it being that way...

[@starryagent9936]

@@csch1510it’s probably because the lighting was so flat and barren in the first game. Now Planet Zoo definitely had a more muted color palette than either Coaster game, but PC1 was still extremely vibrant

[@Sergioshi_]

While all of that is great, there's still no talk about the actual post launch features that they surely were working on originally, namely hotels or restaurants, even if they were gonna be imported from Planet Zoo

[@symyevollmer]

As exciting as these updates are, still wondering if they will ever add the custom/walkable gift shops and restaurants from Planet Zoo. How can this feature be missing in Planet Coaster 2? Also no updates of being able to disable curbs as we did in the first game? Sigh, and the water rides need a huge overhaul

[@kevinheiden]

I bought the game just for the idea of a heated water park that is in a snowy enviroment, only to find out that they don't even have a snow map. .. Hope they add it soon and so weird they didnt add it in december.

[@spoonetti]

Many things/issues has already been improved/solved. That's worth a big Thumb up to Frontier! But: I need to confess that I still haven't bought the game yet.Why? As I've mentioned many times in the Frontier-Forum, I'm actually a very visual person. That means the I attach a lot of importance to the visual which also includes the graphic style of Planet Coaster. No, I don't talk about the graphic quality of the game (e.g. the lightning/shadow effects etc.). What I mean is the graphic design, especially the color scheme and also the choice of color of the plants (the green of the palm trees are far too light'n bright). Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not expecting a hyper-realistic game design. But I would prefer the design of Planet Zoo. I would even be happy with the design of PC1. But the design of PC2 is too cartoonish for me, the colors are sometimes too bright. The other point is, that there're some textures that are very horrible. E.g. the water in the water rides!!! Anyway, I don't want to expand on this topic any further. In any case, I would really like to see the visual style improved. I don't know if it will work and it doesn't have to happen soon (it's not the most important thing for most people), but my purchase decision will depend on it. ;)

[@ThrillsofColdplay]

I predicted the February one with a video I made

[@AllieThePrettyGator]

a Roadmap? i hope the might add moving cars

[@mibblitzzockt5236]

The glass pieces are fine but why is it no color able? Colored glass is nice stuf 😊

[@paffin917]

for the algorithm

[@tmbrabantia6365]

I hadn't read about the old themes returning and now I'm really hyped for what the game can become. Where was this said?

[@joostvanweerden5143]

A sequal should expand on the first attrition of a game. Therefor the theme's of PC1 should have been in the game + the current ones. IMO a secual should always do more and better, Planet Coaster 2 did not do that.

[@AskMeWhen]

A sequel will never be as good as everyone expects, for just that reason, expectations.

[@LancerX916]

That's not true. A sequel does not have to have everything the first one had. What you are stating is a DLC pack.

[@joostvanweerden5143]

@@AskMeWhen GTA. Sequals got better and better and better. This year Helldivers 2 is a better game than Helldivers 1. Do you want me to continue?

[@joostvanweerden5143]

@@LancerX916 If they would try to sell the theme's of PC1 as a DLC for PC2 the game would brun even more. Its will take them no work, they have the assets(eg Marble wall 4m is the same asset in PC2 as in PC1), people already paid for it whilst paying for PC1. Its just CTRL C CCTRL V. It would be different if they would have improved the engine or graphics of individual pieces in general but they didnt.

[@AskMeWhen]

@ so interestingly enough not everyone would agree with you. The point is what “you” want out of a game is what “you” want. What game developers choose to do is what they want from the game. If what they chose to do aligned with your wants, that’s great for you. You also mention it should have previous content from the first game. How is that a sequel and not just DLC?

[@tillytony]

Hey Rudi, Video idea for you. Using Ai generation to make custom audio, videos and pictures for our parks. Now Ai is so powerful and there are so many sites (lots are free) for making ai generated audio, videos and pictures, it makes custom stuff like this possible for peope with zero audio/photo editing skills. It would be a great video to go along with next months update. I have started a thread about this on Frontiers forums if you wish to see a couple i have made using a couple simple prompts.

[@RudiRennkamel]

Hey! Yeah using this daily for work. Actually I want to give artists space in here eventually but il will use AI stuff for some rides soon :)

[@tillytony]

@@RudiRennkamel I mean making a tutorial to bring the ability to light for others that cant use photoshop etc.

[@wareagle7515]

Are they doing the deformation for the Single/Double Rafts and make those slides round too or just the raft slide?

[@sparkyUK]

I can't say why, but I have stopped playing PC2. Not sure what's just not exciting me like PC1 did.

[@majorw9526]

❤❤

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

Not sure what the hell Frontiers obsession is with making new entries into their franchises a lesser version of their predecessor(s) at launch. Are they just not letting their devs actually finish all the systems before pumping stuff out or something? Because evidently, these issues can be easily avoided if given sufficient time!

[@ronanthompson2582]

I’m worried. These are nice fixes, but this game feels like it needs a revolution to reach the level of fun and polish of PC1 and PZ. I hope I’m wrong, but I could see PC2 dragging Frontier down.

[@scaryhobbit211]

PC2 does not need a revolution. You are confusing the bugs with the core of the game itself, which is actually very solid. What PC2 needs is the bug fixes, management adjustments, and content (rides, scenery, features, etc.) needed to raise the game up from being Decent to Great. The only *core* feature that I felt was lacking was the flumes, and Frontier is working on totally overhauling them at an incredible rate - Far quicker than what I thought they could do. I thought we would be waiting until Summer 2025 or longer for them, if at all, but instead they are teasing it for March! Edit: News has also broke today that PC2 was successful in bringing Frontier back to profit this past quarter. It's harsh that the game had to be rushed, but this is still very good news for the future of both the game and the company.

[@ronanthompson2582]

@ they need a revolution because the failed launch hurt the image of the Planet Coaster franchise. People won’t come back just because the game won’t crash anymore. Look how No Man’s Sky had to update the aesthetic of their game in order to get some attention back. It’s marketing.

[@DT-bx8lc]

When you turn off guests ride preference, then the guests should just ride everything. Of course, they STILL don’t! It’s absolutely obnoxious. The guests won’t ride an epic drop coaster at all, because they think it has a “long ride time”. WTF is that BS? Do the developers even like roller coasters? Do they even like theme parks? Seriously, it’s the absolutely obnoxious and dumb decisions like that in this game that makes it hard to enjoy. Just let people play it unrestricted and stop putting in these ridiculous barriers that THEY think matter, at least give us the option to remove the stupidity

[@_renssies]

5:19 sorry but “this is something we’re actively looking into as part of these free content updates” is not the same as it being confirmed

[@RudiRennkamel]

You wouldn't say this and then not deliver.

[@shibibi1]

I just... Hope they learn from these mistakes and don't rush out pz2. They should fix pc2, and keep maintaining pz1. A large portion of pz1 players aren't interested in a pz2 yet anyway. I know I'm quite happy with pz1 and wouldn't buy a pz2 yet unless it was a significantly different to the first in terms of Game play

[@abimmel]

It does not matter how hard or easy these fixes are for the devs. Point is that they should've build on PC1 and give a ton of exciting features in PC2, not redo 10% and adding the worst version of water parks in the history of sandbox games. I refunded this and I am happy that I did. Not mad ad Frontier, just realized that it will cost at least €100 in DLC to get to the point where PC1 was

[@starryagent9936]

The problems here are indicative of a larger issue with the entire industry, really. And I don’t see it changing anytime soon. But the whole DLC argument is moot anyways since that’s about how much all of PC 1’s DLC was. And the current approach bars that from happening.

[@johncunningham1889]

I honestly don't know if this game will ever live up to the notion of being a true sequel. From the very beginning, it felt like a cash grab. At best, a glorified expansion pack. I really, really want it to be amazing as I have just been chomping at the bit lately to play Planet Coaster but am tired of the original by now. Unfortunately, even if they do get PC2 to a place where it feels like a worthy successor, it will likely be at least a year or so before it gets there. Right now, it just feels empty, lacking, broken, undercooked, missing basic-ass features, low on content, the waterparks are a complete joke, and I'm just gonna say it: it's too consolized. Playing on keyboard and mouse feels so obtuse and clunky. Playing PC2 on PC feels like wading through molasses to do anything because it was very clearly designed for controller, which to my dying day I will never understand. Planet Coaster is first and foremost a PC franchise. I desperately want to give this game the benefit of the doubt, but no matter how hard I try, I just can't. I have to be honest with myself: it was a lazy cash grab. It just was. It will take a mountain of work to turn it into something that actually feels like it earns its title as a sequel to Planet Coaster.

[@LordTopley]

Both Planet Coaster 2 and Cities Skylines 2 made the same silly and avoidable mistake. If both had released as early access, they would have avoided the backlash, poor reviews and mass refunds.

[@monkeyd.luffy-taro3661]

Patch notes are disapppointing af. It seems like there are 2 devs half time working on this - no Innovation- no new steps forward - billboards and musik seriously?

[@RagonTheHitman]

They put plasters on huge wounds,so that they will cause the "patient" to bleed out just more slowly.... in the meatime they sell his organs, piece by piece. The game never gets really good, it's practically dead.

[@starryagent9936]

Well what would need to be done in order to properly bandage up everything? Because most major problems are really just cosmetic or bugs that can be easily fixed. And if anything, Cyberpunk 2077 proves that even a game that should’ve died in theory can come back from the brink. It’ll take time, but I have no doubt we’ll see improvement more and more. Or Frontier will go down with the ship; that’s also an option 😅

[@scaryhobbit211]

Then why are you still visiting Planet Coaster 2 videos? Beat it. Get lost.

[@Kaneanite]

All that on the list should have been there from the start> PC 2 should have had an early access discount. PC 2 should have been delayed. None of those should haves happened, so here we are today with a buggy unfinished full price game. That's all there is to say.

[@zealon3988]

So everything that should have just been in the game to begin with yeh?

[@CyPhaSaRin]

Glad i stayed away from PC, cuz screw this wait, a ride a month, that's lame af lol. But i worked out that was their game real early when Planet Zoo wasn't an add on but an entirely different game, its fkn stupid, its cash grabby af and they can't even tell you what's happening in 3 months? lol. another game that will fk around and find out when GTA 6 drops hopefully. half done products, fk that.

[@AskMeWhen]

I am growing so tired of people’s expectations when it comes to games, more specifically sequels. We have no idea how easy it would be to implement the things we are asking for, no idea. It’s a completely new game engine. Since they’ve introduced scaling, for all we know adding content from existing games may be very time consuming which equals money. I completely get it, there is a laundry list of things I wish PC2 had. Am I going to demand they add it to the game, absolutely not. Some argue the game should have been released as early access, I disagree.

[@RudiRennkamel]

Well, a few things: - it's not a new engine, it's their own in-house engine and an evolution - most people do not complain about new stuff lacking, they talk about stuff that was already in 1 and is missing for no reason - the game has a hell lot of bugs that make the game unplayable (the nature of these games has it, that it's not the same for all. I for example am lucky that I don't have that water bug, but other people can't remove water. It's game breaking) So all in all, it's totally fine if people say they're happy. But there are justified reasons to be annoyed. Games objectively have become less polished at launch. People are disappointed

[@AskMeWhen]

@@RudiRennkamel my apologies with not being more clear with my comment. I know it’s their internal cobra engine what I meant was it a new version of it that is not in their previous games. I’ve been one of the lucky few to have no game crashes (on PC) and I have about 320 hours in.

[@megaplexXxHD]

Totally get it! But if we didn’t have high expectations, we’d all still be playing Pong, right? If developers are still struggling to deliver certain features after years and significant resources, it raises the question of whether they're setting the right priorities. Sure, every game has its challenges-but fans aren’t just consumers, they’re passionate supporters too. And when developers release a game, they also have to take responsibility for the expectations that come with it. After all, it's the players who keep the game alive, right?

[@AskMeWhen]

@@megaplexXxHD I completely agree! The fact that we are all having a discussion about it is what really matters! I’m all for whatever it takes to move our community forward! I’m constantly in awe with what people have come up with in PC2 in its current state.