My thoughts on Elden Ring Nightreign

[@IAreHungryman]

this game just screams a small team within Fromsoft really wanted to do a passion project, and didn't want it to take too much time to make! Love this and Miyazaki's approach to cultivating talent

[@brandonwhite4992]

Yep exactly. The director on this had a huge hand in Elden Rings combat as well so he's no scrub.

[@Grassdia]

Exactly. It’s low risk and allows for them to experiment in a way that’s still fun.

[@jorgepadilla1326]

Well said

[@mikeyswift2010]

I feel like it screams something very different to be honest with you…..

[@samueldavis5895]

It screams cash grab for gullible fanboys and will be garbage.

[@AndrewH9999]

"IS THAT THE FUCKING NAMELESS KING!?!?" killed me during the reaction stream 😂😂

[@Ola_Knox]

ratatosker said calmly

[@pillarmenn1936]

Dude's mic peaked multiple times lol

[@maninblak1941]

Please tell me there’s a clip I must hear this

[@HooT_HooT_99]

His voice crack killed me xD

[@maninblak1941]

@@AndrewH9999 found it. “Miyazaki you lying fuck you said you were done” had me rolling

[@moosiemoose1337]

Hyrule warriors is a great example. It's doesn't have to be canon but that's okay and it can still be a lot of fun as it's own game.

[@justsomeannoyingredpanda]

You make a great point, but Fromsoft is also known for their deep lore that can take years to untangle or even just properly explore, so comparing them to Nintendo which doesn't really care about the lore for their games is a bit of an unfair example to use. I fear that a lot of people are going to simply dislike the game due to it not being a traditional FSW experience, since the studio built up a reputation for their games being a complete package.

[@racattack4493]

​@justsomeannoyingredpanda how would this not be a complete package though?

[@iiMOJA]

They literally just gave us erdtree. If they want more of that start a ng+ This right here is pretty much a rogue like souls game. There is nothing that points to this not being a complete experience. Not being open world isn't indicator of a non complete experience. ​@justsomeannoyingredpanda

[@ElGoobero-jv7xb]

finally someone gets it

[@justsomeannoyingredpanda]

@@racattack4493 what I mean is that many people will probably think they'll get a game that is rich in lore that expands the story of Elden Ring, and what they'll get is a game with a repetitive structure with little to no canonical lore.

[@Scowleasy]

It’s less battle royale and more roguelike. The dev interview on their website talks about the mechanics in detail

[@shotgunmasterQL]

Yeah, the "circle closing in" seems to just be a necessity to herd players and not let them hoard equipment too easily. It gives you a sense of urgency and forces you to be more tactical about where you want to loot the random equipment. In a Battle Royale the circle enforces player interactions and fights. I would almost call the comparison superficial but it's not exactly that clean cut either. They have pretty different functions and end goal, but their practical effect is similar, player urgency.

[@been_rly_n2_paragliding_lately]

A roguelike structure seems like it would work perfectly with the way Fromsoft typically handles their NPCs & quests.

[@Emil-sh6sq]

People call it a battle royale because you’re dropped in and the map shrinks, which is a stretch considering there’s (as far as I know) no PvP or other similarities.

[@dr17719]

I really need help understanding what makes this a roguelike. I do not see anything related to permanent death which is a roguelike’s main identifying feature. Am I missing something?

[@shotgunmasterQL]

@dr17719 People sometimes use the terms more interchangeably, but realistically this would be more of a rogue-lite than like. I have seen some people also accept "like" if a game otherwise adheres more strictly to the formula even without a perma death, but more commonly perma death is one of the main distinctions between lite and like.

[@Detriax]

The thing is, I am not very worried, for a few reasons. So, for one, even though this is not being directed by Miyazaki, the person who is directing it, Junya Ichizaki, was a level designer for DS1, and a combat designer for both Bloodborne and Elden Ring. He has been at Fromsoftware for a bit, so he knows what he is doing, at the very least. And as a combat designer, he will certainly know how to make the combat feel good. He has that kind of expertise, and from what we have seen, he has done exactly that. Made the combat more fluid, and the movement more fluid, while making it flashy as well. It looks good, and looks like it feels good. Secondly, this is a spin-off game. I feel like a lot of people that are worried are worried because they are expected a main series kinda game. This isn't really that. How I am thinking about it is that it is the Monster Hunter Rise of Elden Ring. Part of the Elden Ring series (Just as Rise is a part of the Monster Hunter series), but not a mainline game. A offshoot that takes more risks. And of course, this game does take more risks. It isn't a traditional souls-like, it is a survival co-op game, after all. Not to mention not having a character creator, and having Heroes instead. It is all a risk, and Fromsoft needs to take those kinds of risks to stay afloat as a company. I am not worried about the crossover, either, for a few reasons. One, I think this gives old DS bosses an amazing chance to be remade, and updated, for a modern audience. We have already seen that Centipede Demon was updated to focus more on splitting apart and trying to overwhelm the player. That sounds much more fun than what he was previously, and assumedly that kind of treatment will be given to all the Dark Souls bosses being brought over. And the lore implications don't really matter too much, because of the fact that it is a divergent timeline, from the time of the shattering. I am sure that the game will be fun, and will hold us over as more and more Fromsoft games come out. Thanks for reading.

[@MRFISH-rs6sq]

well said, people are going bald raging over this (like every other time) but I find this to be a great decision on fromsoft’s part

[@sleep_enjoyer13]

The director said the dark souls bosses will be present due to the influences of the night lord and they helped create a sense of confusion and panic reflecting the intimidating encroachment of night. Which is one of the characteristics of the game. As night draws in these beings from another world showing up would help create that ironically new feeling the night tide provides. He also asked Miyazaki and Tanimura for permission to use them, so they are 100% supposed to be dark souls characters, not a reskin. He did also say only a few will be present. We'll have to wait and see which other bosses end up in there. Funnily enough something like curse rotted great wood might actually end up being a good boss with a dedicated coop system.

[@5bh71]

Go to sleep

[@lute6904]

My thoughts exactly, Miyazaki has said time and time again how much faith he has in the people working with him.

[@RampidWarthogStudios]

Well said my friend. People overreact and fromsoft will prove themselves yet again.

[@joeshroom8482]

Finally, we can get some lore on Godefroy.

[@BirdMoose]

I'm gonna scream if it turns out he's married to Rennlana of the waxing gibbous moon

[@PettyCrow-n9c]

Godefroy is clearly the Gloam Eyed Queen

[@doublejesusful]

What a great use of assets. Someone at Fromsoft saw the success of seamless coop and said let me cook.

[@Asriel_Cypher]

"Re-used Assets" is a stupid argument, ever made by those people. I don't see them complaining when Pokemon models are re-used over and over and over again with their favourites. I don't see them complaining about Monster Hunter's own Monsters being re-used. I don't see them complaining about guns, sound designs, Objects and Obstacles, being re-used in their COD games. So those complaints are not valid. It depends on how they're used. Yes, Elden Ring did pad them out too much but still there is a lot more content to offer than just those as well. Those are flaws, yes. However, those flaws doesn't necessarily outweigh the positives. Hence why people can overlook it. If you can't, that's your problem to me. It's how it is handled and if it does better than most, I'm more than happy with it. Some people want to see them again in newer versions of the games. That's all there is. Plus it saves time. That's still their asset.

[@fishman21-f5b]

@@Asriel_Cypher but how can lore make sense now

[@xxephon]

but they'd never actually implement the success of seamless coop into the mainline games. i dont think the souls games needed a dedicated coop system, but elden ring really did. the game was massive and focused on exploration, it should've been much simpler to coop. not only that, but making torrent unusable during coop? so stupid, it made it so much more tedious to explore as a group. if they're going to stick to larger open world exploration games, they need a proper multiplayer system. for more linear, smaller worlds like the souls games, then their current system is justifiable (even if most players wouldn't like it)

[@Asriel_Cypher]

@@fishman21-f5b That depends on who you're looking at. I don't think FromSoft was ever interested in telling full stories and just like to confuses people. Hence why none of their stories and lore are ever completed when it needs to. They never answered full lore questions either. Only add some here and there. Left the mysteries to pile up. That's like their M.O here. Plus Nightrein is a spin-off. So it isn't canon. Nothing to worry there either. It's just that FromSoft while like to build worlds, all of their stories that leads to somewhere, often doesn't have a conclusive end. It's just how it is. So putting a random boss from their previous games is definitely isn't going to answer anything in Lore. They also never answered what players have asked before in videos. No point asking about Lore when the Dev themselves won't answer you.

[@Asriel_Cypher]

@xxephon I think Elden Ring saw the potential in Seamless Co-Op mod, and decided to try something like that. I'm glad that they saw that many people wanted a Co-Op adventure Elden Ring type game. Now that they added more fluidity to the game, it might evolve or grow from their usual sluggish movement design. We don't know yet though. We know that there's charms in these types of sluggish movements in combat, sure. However, I think they wanted to be more cinematic types too. Hence they added so much cool and stylish combat arts as shown in the trailer. I hope they add little things at at time and see where it goes.

[@sleep_enjoyer13]

I'm excited for something so different. I'm glad Miyazaki is encouraging new ideas. Its a spin off where they can try weird stuff without the story holding it back. Anything is possible and having it so gameplay focused is exciting as well. There's no reason to think they aren't going to make calssic souls rpgs anymore, they just are passionate about making something new.

[@sleep_enjoyer13]

I will also point out that the different set characters have different playstyles that will appeal to different people. Whether it be ranged play, Sekiro style deflecting, Bloodborne fast dashes, big tanky guy, well rounded knight, complex sorcerer, summoner and more. All have a fast pace to them and the experience will end up familiar but fresh compared to the original Elden Ring. That experience of quickly clearing an area and having to make do with the gear you get is quite rewarding. Also team play will be much greater with actual synergy between characters, which is another strength of the predefined character system.

[@JoseViktor4099]

After looking up for information, I think that my biggest gripe is this to be called "Elden Ring" , when is evident this is gonna be a crossover, because I ve seen a lot of reusing bosses accusations when that is actually the point, to use every stuff for the games prior; characters, bosses, mechanics, etc etc. Probably it would had be seen with better eyes if it was just called "Nightreign", to confirm this has little relation with the Elden Ring we loved. This game is quite unique for what Fromsoftware does, so the name does indeed seems weird.

[@maerunderemite]

​@@JoseViktor4099 Calling it Elden Ring will obviously draw more sales. That will be a good thing, not just for the studio's health but also for a strong co-op population. People grumpy about this are having an experience of noticing that there's a sales efficacy to using the ER brand. Okay. So you've noticed. That's not inherently bad, nor does it mean that sales is the only reason just because it's one reason.

[@JoseViktor4099]

@@maerunderemite I agree is for marketing proterties, Elden Ring is after all the most famous ip of Fromsoft. That said, being called Elden Ring also gives some secondary events that undermines its image considering how controversial was the amount of reuse ER had that, like it or not, is one of the most hated things that game had. So seeing DS bosses on ER gave, at least to me and more people a very poor impression, thinking that this was blatant reuse for the sake of padding instead. Which is why if it was marketed as a crossover I think it would had been much better.

[@wterry2801]

If you want to get used to the game loop ahead of time and maybe even get a slight advantage, then check out Ravenswatch that just came out. Nightreign is different sure, but it's not unique. Ravenswatch is a 3 player Roguelite Coop that you can play solo, in which you have a 3 day/night timed cycle to prepare for the boss.

[@jevmenyt3422]

A thing i also noticed that shows more coop functionalities, you can damage bosses during grasps and free your teammates it seems, the archer guy shoots down the split dragon when it was munching on a teammate

[@maerunderemite]

This is huge. I'm always irritated by not being able to damage a boss because it wants to cuddle my homies.

[@smashtankful]

I’m super stoked for a lighter hearted and more fun multiplayer experience. I’m ready.

[@Hungo80k]

So boring no pvp . Gana get bored in 20 min

[@wickedarctiinae4132]

Thank goodness, no PvP. This is gonna be nice and chill.

[@Hungo80k]

​@wickedarctiinae4132 a safe space for twinks

[@Hungo80k]

​@wickedarctiinae4132 a safe place for you and your boyfriends

[@Hungo80k]

​@wickedarctiinae4132 a safe space for casuals

[@mikek9491]

The team involved here has access to the same lore bible that GRR Martin wrote for Elden Ring and, even without Miyazaki, they're almost certainly going to follow it. The events of Nightreign won't be canon to the main Elden Ring story, but the setting and universe should be the same because most of it happened before the timeline split. Margit may have a different fate in the spinoff, but he should have the same motivations, values and attitudes. While I don't expect it to be lore heavy, I still think we may get some additional details that help clarify the backstory and setting. Without Miyazaki's stingy approach to lore, we may even get some bombshells.

[@PettyCrow-n9c]

Like the director said, Nightrein's timeline is parallel to Elden Ring branching off after the shattering war ends. It's possible that we could still get some major lore drops like, who is the Gloam eyed queen, why did Marika do what she did, etc. Imagine the plot twist if the "Night lord" is Godwyn.

[@KhangNguyen-ij4xh]

@@PettyCrow-n9cnah we already know why Marika is so fucked up

[@thedonofthsht76-58]

This is just a co op game with reused bosses and randomized runs. Not gonna have lore

[@chainclaw07]

people act as if getting this kind of game somehow takes away resources from a traditional fromsoft fantasy game.... it doesn't - since Elden ring Miyazaki has said he wants to branch out their upper development team - more people able to act as directors for successful games.

[@iiMOJA]

They probably working on sekiro 2 as we speak

[@clokken]

Fromsoftware also grew immensely in size after Elden Ring's success so it's expected that they will be pumping out more titles with the increased manpower.

[@Foxtayls]

Souls miyazaki from things I've heard people say, wants to avoid what the ghibli miyazaki is dealing with...a lack of a heir he is satisfied with. So I agree that he seems to want more people involved.

[@PregnantAdamSandler]

This 100% had the bulk developed alongside shadow of the erdtree lol. Like I would be so legitimately shocked if the development did not significantly overlap

[@Mel_dy-t1b]

It does… their taking resources from the games we love

[@voidzzv7009]

Honestly these smaller games in between should do this kind of stuff, and if flipping assets means the new director gets to focus his limited time on the project on the things that push the company forward then I'm all for it. These systems will one day serve as the bedrock for elden rings spiritual successor.

[@KhangNguyen-ij4xh]

I don’t understand why everyone is so mad about asset flipping. Everyone fucking loves that one traffic cone in Yakuza and mourned when it got removed in the latest rendition of Kamurocho, so why can’t others keep an open mind, especially for a studio that has earned as much goodwill as FromSoft? They’ve also make it very clear in the interview, this is just Elden Ring shoved in a paper bag with some Dark Souls assets and mixed together to create something new and experimental. It’s not a full price or a mainline game, so what’s the harm?

[@yiangaruga4928]

I'm surprised your voice is fine after the stream, there was so much screaming when this got revealed

[@AlphaOmega-jh6ll]

IS THAT FUCKING NAMELESS KING!?!?

[@user-zp8kj2cl9g]

Maybe solitary and asocial people that don't talk to others would have hurt their throats, but normal and social people's voice isn't that fragile, dude

[@AlphaOmega-jh6ll]

@@user-zp8kj2cl9git’s a joke dude, I don’t think he actually thought he hurt his throat

[@fush0690]

😊

[@marcofromtropoje3169]

His vocal exercise regimen involves yian garuga roars

[@Anthonyajl]

I want this but armored core. Missions made for 3 people, everyone taking and showing off their own build

[@steve-oh-yeah]

I really hope that armored core 6.5/7 has a co-op mode

[@Hungo80k]

Yeah this concept doesn't will in a souls game completely takes away excitement from invasions. No pvp ima get bored in 20 minutes

[@Anthonyajl]

@@Hungo80k I’m hoping they’ll do a pvp mode where you fight the another team at the end instead of the final boss

[@tristanward9937]

@@Hungo80kpvp isn’t fun anyways. The game is too poorly balanced. One shot by meta builds isn’t fun.

[@ChristianMartinez-nm2xx]

Don't worry guys, Miyazaki said that's Blameless King, no reused assets.

[@Beeg_Boy]

It’s fan service and it’s silly, and if it’s done well it could be incredibly fun and I have a decent degree of faith in from’s team making something fun. Hope godefroy is in it.

[@foreverie2626]

Godefroy got split from the nightreign universe into elden ring, finally the greatest lore mystery has been solved

[@Turtleman9856]

I was initially very skeptical but takes less have been opening my mind and making me more optimistic.

[@piikae]

GOATEFROY MY BELOVED

[@noamias4897]

Why stop with Godefroy? What about Godfreud, Godfreyson and Goderick?

[@pedpisani]

Radefroy of the Silver Order!!

[@praisetheoak]

People freak out when they see Elden Ring and Roguelike together. Like, what are randomized runs after all? This is basically be Fromsoftware's take (With their seal of quality) on what is one of the most popular ways to play their games (Randomized Runs). They are making a fun spin-off for the fans and that sounds insanely hype. The director is Junya Ishizaki. He worked on DS1 as level designer, DS3 as lead game designer and combat designer in Bloodborne. We eating good

[@jlzer0YT]

why are you acting like most people play and enjoy elden ring randomizer runs?

[@jorgeskuf]

@@jlzer0YT when did they say that? all they said was it was one of the more popular ways to play the game modded, which is true. most people who play modded elden ring play seamless or a mod that completely changes the game, or both.

[@rily2885]

are the 3 aspects we have been asking from them for a while, real coop, random elements and a boss rush, many of these go against the core of the souls games and that's why they didn't give us that before, but this new game is not a souls like, its free from the limitations of souls like conventions, for better or worse, and since we already have plenty of souls likes I only see a positive outcome in having both type of games individually

[@sleep_enjoyer13]

​@@jlzer0YTRandomised runs are a ton of fun. In a more streamlined capacity such as this with big studio polish it could be even more fun. Besides it's a new game with new bosses alongside the old. So the experience will be different in ways other than pure game mechanics.

[@kcl5038]

It's Monster Hunter. The more I read about it the less I think its a roguelike and the more I think it's just Fromsoft's take on monster hunter. You have a central hub, small maps suitable 45 minute missions where you collect consumables and target a big main boss balanced around small group co-op or single player, character classes with locked in weapon arts/movesets, you have no levels or skill points and your only way for character progression is through some sort of gear progression with tokens you get from defeating bosses. I'm not a fan of roguelikes, but I would be in absolute love with a mh style souls game. I got into monster hunter because I enjoyed fighting souls bosses so much, and monster hunter basically is nothing but my favorite part of dark souls set in a different environment. This plus MH Wilds basically means I won't be playing any other games in 2025. Hopefully we're destined to finally get a From x Monster Hunter collaboration with the two releases in the same year!

[@ladyazalea6131]

I love that you very plainly point out that this is an indication of getting more projects from Fromsoftware. Branching out and making these smaller projects has always provided dividends. Demons souls and Dark souls looped back into Armored Core, Bloodborne looped back into Dark Souls, Sekiro looped back into Elden Ring. Every time they step out of their comfort zone and try something new, we always benefit by the next game they put out. I cant wait to see how the additions of more advanced movesets, traversal mechanics, and coop central gameplay translates into their next projects.

[@BigBadWolframio]

Well said!

[@CuriosityMisledMe]

The very reason why Fromsoftware became well known was because of their quality over quantity. This is the complete opposite of that.

[@ladyazalea6131]

@CuriosityMisledMe they were well known for making small, passionate projects with a small, dedicated group of developers. They quadrupled staff since the release of Dark Souls 3- they have enough talent to release more games of that quality in less time now. Case in point, this game was developed at the same time as Shadow of the Erdtree. Do you consider Shadow *low quality*?

[@CuriosityMisledMe]

@@ladyazalea6131 I consider Elden Ring to be about average quality. The DLC seemed to harbor the same issues so I avoided buying it. They were known for making dedicated individual releases with a few earning sequels. Quality over quantity. Regardless of their staff, this is a clear asset flip that didn't even have the decency to leave the Souls games out of it. The concept is lazy and uninspired.

[@ladyazalea6131]

@CuriosityMisledMe you're allowed to have a bad take, but being that braindead should be a crime- let someone else entertain your mediocre opinion

[@brandonwhite4992]

The director here also was heavily involved in elden rings combat, which is great of course. So more than happy to give this a try, especially at that $30-$40 price range

[@Malisteen]

it's a fun little spin off proof of concept game. re-use of existing assets allows the project to exist without diverting resources away from the studio's next big game. I'm hype for it.

[@brunzio]

I think the idea that the universes of the base game and Nightrein became parallel from the shattering is really interesting. If everything before the shattering is the same, this should mean that we might learn parts of the puzzle that were otherwise hidden by Marika/Radigon or lost to time. Especially about the Nox. The part in the trailer where the player character climbs up a wall seems to depict an eternal city above ground, with similar architecture and blue flame torches. This I think heavily favors the idea that the night lord is the lord of night discussed in the base game. If so, this could be a world in which Ranni continued to work with the eternal cities after the night of the black knives instead of betraying them.

[@wimdyslim]

A lot of people say that it's not canon, but I think thats inaccurate. It think its more that it is canon, but happening in a seperate timeline. Is it that hard to believe that the Shattering was so devistating that it created a new timeline? I mean, seperate timelines are already featured in Elden Ring and Dark Souls, as an explaination for how players interact with one another.

[@Chritin]

I swear, you always have the most real, down to earth takes of any souls youtuber. Thank you for putting my thoughts into a video absolutely perfectly .

[@SimonSenaviev]

I think the main thing to consider is even if the game ends up not being great (which i doubt) we shouldn't shit on Fromsoft, we should give them feedback and fair criticism so they don't get discouraged from innovating their formula

[@porkwhisperer3050]

Unfortunately that’s a pretty big ask for gamers. Especially for half the viewers of Ratatoskr

[@Stanzbey69]

Let’s hope losers like Joseph anderson or feeble king stay away from it then. All they offer is bad faith, poorly thought out, critiques

[@Sleeper_6875]

this is a great take, Im fairly critical of the idea of the game and so many series having meaningless fanservice, but I have no doubt there will be some parts of this game (especially the gameplay) that will be incredible, worthy of praise, and that I hope they implement into future games where they fit

[@moosiemoose1337]

I'm glad Fromsoft is trying out new things. I don't mind if they reuse assets and "resell" it to us if it means devs offer it at a fair price and it results in fun games with quicker turn around for the devs.

[@Eviltwin1]

I mean, yakuza does it all the time, pretty much all their main games use the same city.

[@Well_Meaning]

Fromsoft used to do this all the time before the Souls era. This is business as usual for them, actually.

[@MrFRNTIK]

I'm cool with this being like $30. $40 max but if it's that much I would want future support in some way.

[@DionPanday]

How is battle royale new exactly?

[@boianko]

​@@DionPanday Do you just see a big circle that shrinks and immediately default to "battle royale"? It's a co-op game where you fight monsters with you friends, it's as much battle royale as Dynasty Warriors is.

[@jpsvaluejudgment310]

man I really wanted an Armored Core 6 DLC reveal. That game is severely underrated.

[@uniguy2126]

A fourth Margit reskin has hit the Lands Between But in all seriousness a lot of people are shitting on this thing as an effortless cashgrab (which it might be!), but if they approach it as a non-canon/alternate universe thing, and actually execute it well, I’d be more than happy. The game Triforce Heroes did it nearly perfectly, using A Link Between Worlds as a base but also adding original content and content from previous Zelda games. When combined with the focus on multiplayer, the game felt extremely unique compared to what came before it, and I hope Nightreign does the same.

[@SephirothinLEGO]

fromsoftware uses every part of the video game buffalo, but the like a dragon games are on a whole nother level

[@mikeyswift2010]

Did you just say that the like a dragon games are on a whole Nother level than FS? Lmfaooooooooo

[@licota11]

I think they mean in terms of how much shit is stuffed into the games ​@@mikeyswift2010

[@kenpachi1989]

@@mikeyswift2010 I'm pretty sure he meant in terms of asset reuse

[@SephirothinLEGO]

@@mikeyswift2010 i said their re-use is on a whole nother level

[@iMiyagi]

11:55 To be fair, I assume the people who criticize Fromsoftware for “doing the same thing too much” and the people who criticize them for “changing the formula too much” are separate groups. I’m also sure there’s some nuance to people who have mixed feelings. I’m sure the game won’t be bad, but I am wary on how this new spin-off will turn out.

[@Emil-sh6sq]

I think this being a spinoff is flying over some peoples’ heads. I don’t see a reason to think that a spinoff to test out new mechanics (and include some fan service like old bosses) is a sign of Fromsoft going to shit or them making lower quality “main” souls-games in the future. Nightreign seems like a fun side project that won’t have any negative effect on future games.

[@Mel_dy-t1b]

@@iMiyagi I’m just dissapointed I may have to wait a few years to get another souls like game lol, I don’t mind them trying new things and all, this just wasn’t what I was hoping to see revealed people tell me ‘JuSt PlAy OlD GaMeS’ I’ve played all of them aside from Sekiro numerous times, I want a new game to play lol

[@BigBadWolframio]

I think it's totally fair to just be like: "meh, not my thing". I'm not supersold on it either, but I'm happy they're allowing other creators to do their own things that hopefully avoid burnout for Miyazaki, helps others gain confidence in their directing abilities and allows smaller teams within the company to learn and develop new tools without a high risk that main in turn end up benefitting the bigger projects :D.

[@KhangNguyen-ij4xh]

@@Mel_dy-t1btbf it took them 2 years between DeS and DS1, 2 years for DS2 (which is arguable an experimental game like Nightreign) and Bloodborne (which is for all intent and purpose, Dark Souls 2, sort of), 2 years between Bloodborne and DS3, 2 years between TRC and Sekiro, 3 years between Sekiro and Elden Ring and 2 years between Elden Ring and SOTE. Expect the next mainline game to come in another 2 to 3 years

[@jamesbarnett5157]

I dont really know how to feel about it. Dark souls 1 is my all time favorite game and fromsoftware are my favorite developers but this just doesn't sound like something i want. Plus elden ring is one of my least favorites of their games and i really dont enjoy roguelikes. after shadow of the erdtree i kinda felt like i just wanted something new and different but in the way that bloodborne and sekiro are different, not whatever this is

[@artemisDev]

It's already confirmed it'll be a premium experience with all the content in base game, no micro-transaction or live service.

[@maninblak1941]

Fromsoft has more than earned my full support and trust. I honestly want to have more novel and experimental games but so many companies have let me down that more often than not I’m hesitant. Fromsoft is one of the few exceptions. Armored Core 6 showed me they have so much potential beyond their famous Dark Souls formula and seeing them tapping into it so readily is so gratifying to me. I want them to wow and surprise me with new ideas while still respecting and building off their past accomplishments. Ofc if they still release more traditional souls like titles I’m here for it, but I’m also very intrigued with their more niche or novel experiences. Overall I’m sold and can’t wait to tryout Nightreign next year.

[@jereeskola7117]

I'm very excited for a Elden Ring roguelike

[@kamer7687]

I don't think I can get into a 3-player roguelike 3-day cycle game, but if there is lore that seems canonical, I'll be here for the videos to eat it up.

[@ryanbuck3383]

Cant wait for the Night Lord to draw in Balteus from the AC verse

[@BirdMoose]

This is a joke but now I want it, lore accurate size as well so we'll be like an ant.

[@Daefus]

OMG KING'S FIELD MUSIC, I love it sooooo much, listened to it all the time when reading Berserk

[@georgeholliday2203]

We all know the Final Secret Boss in this.... (Rougelike) which it is but the surprise is Nightlord is Godwyn.

[@TroxyTheLost]

Bro give it up Godwyn is dead-dead

[@sindra77]

Yeah if Godwyn comes back fully, it invalidates Godwyn's death from a storytelling perspective. The Night of the Black Knives is a catalyst for the Shattering, and if Godwyn isn't dead until Fia's questline then... What was the point? As much as I'd love to see more of a pure Godwyn, that should be kept in Elden Ring's past.

[@Stanzbey69]

@@TroxyTheLost this game is not really supposed to be lore accurate so if godwyn was ever gonna show up, it would be now.

[@skcasuality7472]

My exact same thoughts on what the boss design will probably be, if we’re getting old bosses back, then that means that they’re probably gonna revamp them to some extent. Bosses like Nameless King were you know, designed for DS3’s combat, DS3 didn’t have guard counters, or jump attacks, and while they could work with co-op, not to the extent Nightreign seems to be pushing. This means that if they want these bosses to have as much impact as in their original games, they’re gonna have to make some adjustments I think (especially considering how Nightreing seems to have changed some core game aspects like running speed and such). We’re basically getting Inner bosses like with Sekiro, **we’re getting fucking Inner Nameless King bro do you understand?**

[@sleep_enjoyer13]

Although this may be true, I don't think these return bosses will be as well designed for coop as the new ones they designed from the ground up. The main bosses will likely all be entirely unique to nightreign such as the Cerberus lookalike and I'm thinking maybe the centaur boss is another main encounter. I'm referring to the end boss of the three day cycle as a 'main boss'.

[@rily2885]

not to mention the creative potential for encounters, we asked for prime Radhan for a while and we had to wait for a big DLC to even consider it, even as it is now people are disatisfied with his role in the story, having this wacky alternative universe premise may allow us to see some really interesting encounters without needing to tackle a story that makes it possible, like fighting Cal as an inquisitor in star wars fallen order, we could get some non canon variations of fights that may be straight up fan service, but the last time we had that was probably in DS3 so why not?

[@KhangNguyen-ij4xh]

I’m actually excited to see their new boss designs. Capcom perfected their boss design for both solo and 4 man gank squad, so I don’t think it’s impossible for FromSoft to not be able to.

[@Ravnia-b7t]

This feels like the kind of thing you'd see from game devs in the 90s or early 00s. Nightreign is to Elden Ring as Counter Strike was to Half Life or Mavel vs Capcom was to Street Fighter. This sort of in-house mod type project is a great way for the studio to try new things on a budget and give fanservice to their audience. I'm not sure if it'll be a game for me, but I'm glad they're making it.

[@AnthonyDGreen]

I use the characterization of the characters in Age of Calamity to learn about them in Breath of the Wild. As you say, their nature's and values. Just because it happens in an alternate timeline that's still Rivali and Zelda, to me. It's a reflection on the characters through a mirror or lens even if it's not the canonical events of those characters in BotW. Very happy with your analogy, Rata

[@Slyslug]

Miyazaki was expressing an interest in coop with the popularity of Elden Rings seamless coop mod. I wonder if this is them sort of testing how well the idea works so they can later release a full game with these ideas.

[@Fisheyefool15]

Your reaction last night was awesome, i watched it like 30 times haha. I was just as excited as you. Love your videos dude.

[@notazazel]

I like this new approach a lot. This way we don’t have to deal with Myazaki’s lore dead-end approach.

[@tequila_tibbs7938]

Its a free hit. Reuse assests to the point of satire, test multiplayer and even more speed and floatiness in combat. This is the crack for the new fans (players post Bloodborne). I wish them luck with it and hope that myazaki is doing the opposite: something completely new with a new engine/ new assests, with slow and heavy combat and traversal

[@joebags7445]

Really glad to see that the biggest takeaway from Elden Ring for Fromsoft is that they needed to double down on reusing assets. Great way to get people hyped, just like with the repeated dragon and erdtree avatar boss fights or the copy paste catacombs, everybody knows those were the best parts of the game

[@alial-kateeb5267]

are we getting the crunchy saintroit rata lore hunting trio

[@rainbowkrampus]

Yes plz

[@nahuelkid]

Undead Nightmare, Dissidia, Formula Front, Hyrule Warriors, Kirby's Air Ride, Crash Team Racing, and so on and so forth. Its a cute little spin off like we've had from tons of IPs.

[@Roe777]

Any Elden Ring fan with friends to coop will love this, my group is very hyped. Solo players and pvpers might not be

[@thisweirdguy1413]

You put it into the most perfect terms possible and I’m so glad you did. I wasn’t worried for a second, but I know a lot of people were and I’m honestly glad that there are people like you and like me who are incredibly optimistic, and trusting in this Elden ring spinoff. I’m so excited, and I can’t wait to play it :)

[@TheSoftcoreMonkey]

Trust in Ratatoskr to speak some sense. Honestly though, I said the exact same thing last night; this game is a younger cousin to Elden Ring, the Hyrule Warrior of FromSoft. More risks, more attempts at trying new things (which may succeed or not), but I like that they are taking this approach going forward. Let’s not forget that FS has a tendency to showcase and implement mechanics into their games, only to reinsert them in later installment after being polished and perfected. In this case, it does seem like co-op experiences is the focus. Now we will get a mainly co-op action game with a fast environment, this will allow FS to experiment on new things for the next mainline game. As someone else said in a comment, this will be Monster Hunter Rise for Elden Ring. I have high faith in what we will be given in 2025.

[@MegaBezveze]

Roguelike soulslike is my wet dream of genre mashup and I hope FromSoftware will manage to do it with their typical quality.

[@BirdMoose]

Im hyped for when we learn about other characters from Marika's line, such as Goodfrey the brother of Godefroy and Godfray. Father to Maleniai and Rakorn. Married to the 3rd Carrian sister Rennlana.

[@albusnightspring8057]

One step closer to official Bloodborne Kart

[@nanubot1342]

Dude, your reaction and tectone's when they dropped the trailer are my favorite. It's hilarious when they showed the ff rebirth after and no one cared.

[@dibby1045]

I think it's easy to forget that many franchises that are now notorious for being repetitive and formulaic used to be innovative and ground-breaking. Modern Warfare was a revolutionary title amongst a sea of WWII shooter clones at its time of release, and even Pokemon managed to capitalize on people's attachment for their creatures to become the largest media franchise in the world. But both of them are now just seen as the mandatory copy-paste slop release every 1-2 years. I'm glad that Fromsoft isn't just resting on their laurels even if it would be safer to do, because with SotE's release I've even felt the formula started to wear thin. "Just as still waters turn foul, stagnation leads to decay. Warriors must remain ever-drifting." - Blue Cloth Cowl item description.

[@-Sparagmos-]

Reusing assets is why we’re getting these games so soon at all. Terrible argument.

[@TheScavv]

Even if this game totally fails, which I don't think it will, I'm sure Fromsoft will use it as a learning experience for how they incorporate coop into their future games. The idea that they're interested in pursuing "coop souls," no doubt after seeing the popularity of the seamless coop mod, is definitely something I'm glad to see.

[@Fixti0n]

Let em cook. So far they have been making us delicious meals, so i am exited to see what they will make next. It looks like a fresh take on their old classic, and doing something new they have never done before. Who knows, maybe this will be the new Dark Souls? At least this may improve the multi player aspects of the future titles.

[@gamingbrotoads2636]

I said this on another video but this is basically the Metal gear survive of Elden ring, using base game assets and mechanics then twisting them into a new genre of game entirely. Let's hope this is more of a success than mgs.

[@artemisDev]

HUGE difference, Metal Gear survive was made to chase a trend. This is something the studio is just passionate about and wanted to try.

[@SLAMTUCKER]

I mean yeah it is like Metal Gear Survive in that it is a spinoff reusing assets. There are a ton of spinoffs though

[@HollandOates]

I was like, "Hunh?" But now I'm like, "Take my money!"

[@ira1420]

It is indeed confirmed that Miyazaki is not involved. The producer in IGN's interview stated that he gave the greenlight and was involved only in the very beginning of the project, probably just to set some boundaries I guess

[@BananapeelJack]

This game could be interesting and I want to see more. I am looking forward to fighting Godefroy the Night Lord.

[@jojonr619]

I’m excited for rat to talk about intergalactic from naughty Dog when he finds out it’s gonna be a souls like game

[@criticalkel6045]

Yeah those bosses will all just AoE spam, calling it now

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

"Is that the f*cking Nameless King?" is the new "was that the bite of '87?"

[@roiroije6326]

Perfectly said. You basically described every reason why I’m so excited for this. I don’t want Fromsoftware to do nothing but the same flavour of Dark Souls every few years; I want them to try new, fun things. This immediately hooked me, it’s gonna be a day one purchase for me. I also love when missed potential is brought back to properly meet its potential; and this seems to be what they’re doing with the old bosses while reimagining them for co-op.

[@DeaconOfTheDank]

Did anyone else find it notable that the Erdtree is absent from all camera shots?

[@shiftgaming101]

The doom and gloom about it is so ridiculous. As soon as I figured out what the gimmick with the Radahn fight was, I immediately knew I wanted massive raid-styled bosses. This sounds super cool as an idea, and re-fighting old bosses with this new exaggerated movement sounds awesome! My concern is whether or not it will be just Limgrave. Surely the version these people played was the equivalent to a Beta, and there will be a map for each area, I'm guessing. I hope they are also looking at the PvP in the same light, and eventual expanding on what DS3 had down the road.

[@davismorgan99]

Great video. I was worried but your breakdown of what we know about the game so far makes it seem really fun and I’m glad it won’t be full price.

[@nebky]

Yo, what if THIS is what’s in the storm between the divine towers 😂 This land was separated during the shattering, that’s why it doesn’t exactly link to the main game.

[@Ent229]

Maybe? But I felt that area of the map was answered by the DLC. I am getting the impression that this is alternate canon Limgrave (and other places).

[@eldenbling2615]

I'm so pumped. This sounds like a Souls Rogue-Like

[@arctother5176]

5:50 What is the source of the info about earning character skins? Are you telling me I have to speculate about earning character skin of the Bloodborne Hunter set/Faraam armor/Elite Knight set/etc???

[@Joecal2]

the director himself is the source

[@comemeyer9953]

I'm so happy you mentioned Hyrule warriors because that's what I've been comparing it to ever since it was announced at tga

[@derekb8513]

fort, night

[@Melchizidek777]

Sounds super interesting! I’m actually looking forward to this.

[@Eviltwin1]

Yeah it's a little annoying that people are just trying to call it an "asset flip", I mean have they played Yakuza lol. For the most part they reuse the same city / location the majority of the time, and because of that their turnaround is fairly short by comparison. So if you're going to call this Elden ring game an asset flip you need to call Yakuza that as well.

[@WildHart_z]

I don’t like the Yakuza games. I loved Elden Ring. I don’t know if I like the idea of this. Mainly because I don’t understand why it couldn’t just be another expansion with us being able to use our own characters in insane acrobatic ways. I would’ve preferred that.

[@CuriosityMisledMe]

I would’ve been inclined to not care if they just kept it to Elden Ring. But they apparently had to stick their grubby little mits into the SoulsBorne games; tainting their legacy with a cheap cash grab.

[@Eviltwin1]

@CuriosityMisledMe It can be a cash grab all it wants (Though i dont think it is one) but as long as its fun the shits i give is 0. FromSoft has not once disappointed me across like 10 games, at this point any thing they make is an auto buy for me until they show otherwise. We will see when this comes out, what the sentiment ends up being along with how it ultimately reviews.

[@nihilisticinquisition7150]

I like to think of the From Soft Worlds as parallel universes, which all existed isolated from each other but there can still be some kind of bleed-over as they are all centered around these world-trees we can see in all of the Souls-Games, the Bloodborne Hub and the Elden Beast Boss fight area. This seems to be similar to what Stephen King did in his Dark Tower novels, where the Tower is like the centerpiece of all his novels and sometimes there is some contact made between them, but they are all they separate, self-contained stories.

[@jim3541]

It has potential to be fun but the lukewarm reception isnt really suprising. What are many peoples favorite aspects about Fromsoft games? Exploration (without a time limit), character creation, custom unique builds, character development over the course of many hours, lore/ world building. This game strips away or streamlines most of the more interesting aspects that makes a Souls game to me

[@OD91MJ]

I like that Fromsoftware is trying something new. This is like an official MOD for every souls. I am stoked.

[@Nurskul]

Fort Night?

[@valianttoast1822]

Very excited for this one and I think you make some great points about the development cycle

[@seanmelton7866]

Can't wait for the elden ring gacha game complete with summer beach outfits for morgott and metyr.

[@johahn-qz4vp]

I don't want more of Elden Ring universe. I will wait 3-4 years for Miyazakis next game.

[@tni333]

After I played Elden Ring I said the next logical Step is to make it an MMO, and this is in the same vein: a coop focused take on the formula. I’m very interested, but still think this might become from‘s first miss in a while. Either way, I’m happy from is willing to experiment and innovate. Exciting times!

[@fishman21-f5b]

do you really think fromsoft can make mmo game it not easy thing to do

[@premidspremium]

Look, I’m not gonna buy it but I appreciate it. I just hate that they slapped “Elden Ring” on it to sell copies. It could just be a standalone game called Nightreign, but of course not. I mean, any time someone says “alternate timeline”, all that means is “we’re doing our own thing and we’ll leach off the success of the previous thing”. I don’t want to hate, I really don’t. But the vision for this just shouldn’t have the words “Elden ring” on it. It’s clearly made for a Fortnite audience and that’s cool! But count me out. I’ll keep screaming at the clouds. That’ll show em!

[@mattd5240]

I love fromsoft and souls games, but nothabout this appeals to me whatsoever. I'm probably going to pass.

[@Joecal2]

you won’t be missed

[@mattd5240]

@Joecal2 You felt the need to reply like this, why?

[@Joecal2]

@@mattd5240 no one cares what appeals to you bud

[@mattd5240]

@@Joecal2 This conversation doesn't appeal to me. Goodbye.

[@Joecal2]

@@mattd5240 bro’s mad and can’t defend himself lmao

[@rainer9931]

"Is that the Nameless King?" Ratatoskr asked calmly

[@theehumanshield]

I am cautious about this release because I feel like it is just following trends rather than setting trends

[@jereeskola7117]

What trend is this following?

[@boshwa20]

@@theehumanshield Surprise surprise, people tend to mimic other ideas. Newsflash: ELDEN RING ISNT THE ONLY OPEN WORLD GAME

[@theehumanshield]

@ My first impression is this is just Elden Ring Hero "Shooter" which don't get me wrong might be good. Elden Ring followed the trend of open world, and that came out good, but that is because it is closer to Fromsoft's bread and butter

[@theehumanshield]

@ no shit, but open world style games are closer to what From does than a zombies hero shooter. I am just skeptical this will have lasting appeal.

[@theehumanshield]

@@boshwa20 no really? Pretty sure Elden Ring was the first and only open world game ever made. Open world games are closer to what From usually makes. Nightreign seems like a zombie hero shooter. And I don't see the longevity with no custom builds, one environment, and reusing bosses and enemies people have been fighting for 10+ years

[@flavionms]

Can't wait to fight Radahn, Divorced Spouse

[@youtubevoice1050]

If it was like Hyrule Warriors I'd be interested, however I'm not interested in battle royale rogue-like multiplayer with time mechanics. Not for me.

[@fishman21-f5b]

is cool that they bring boss in other game but i still feel cheap

[@qizeaqfile]

My perspective is very simple: my reasoning for not liking Nightreign is the game mechanics. I believe Fromsoft will make the game great. I believe they will make it very engaging. But I just don't like the genre of this game. Rouge-like, time survival, no character creation(determine hero class), coop, multiverse story... Everything here I don't like. It's not bad but I just don't play this genre of games. I don't mind if Fromsoft wants to make a game like this in a different setting but because it's in Elden Ring world so there will be lore implications that I just don't want to miss. So even though I don't like the genre, I still have to play it if suddenly a boss like Godwyn appears. I'm fine with reused assets but doing it this much makes Nightreign feel more like a DLC than a new game. Even though you can play solo, I believe the game now balances for coop so I don't know if it's fun playing solo. I know I'm being "SILLY" and I just don't need to play it if I don't like it but feeling left out of a new Fromsoft game is very depressing for me. I trust fromsoft, I know the game will be great but I don't know if the game will be great for me. This uncertainty just makes me doubt everything. Tell me I'm stupid, tell me I'm being silly but this is just what I'm feeling and I hate that I'm feeling this way.

[@Mori-ey8wj]

Don't be a doomer about a game you haven't even played yet. Yes you are stupid. If you end up don't liking it fine not the end of the world. I don't like Sekrio yet Blood Borne and Elden Ring have become my favourite games over years of playing them and i still look forward to every new game (not just specifc to Fromsoft) with open eyes.

[@qizeaqfile]

@@Mori-ey8wj Yes I'm stupid, probably even worse than that but who cares. I love EVERY fromsoft games since Dark Souls. Video games are a very important part of my life as I've very little else to help me go through the next day and Fromsoft games are a very big part of it. I'm a doomer about with nearly everything but Fromsoft is the only one I can't be a doomer for until now and that's depressing for me. Still in the beginning I also didn't like Sekiro, I didn't even like Dark Souls the first time I played them but when I learned how truly to play, these games became my favorite. I maybe can try to learn to like Nightreign but still, the GENRE is a really tall wall to climb as I never like any of them. I know Fromsoft wants to experiment but this just feels cheap... Now I even wonder why wasting time making this and not filling in the empty spaces in the Shadow of the Erdtree? Like I said before "I know the game will be great but I don't know if the game will be great for me" Because it's in the Elden Ring world, I just can't skip it.

[@owenflanagan3154]

It seems to be set in an alternate timeline. So I think it’s safe to assume that any lore “reveals” made in Nightreign are not actually canon to Elden Ring. It is self-contained. Even if they introduce someone like Godwyn as a boss, it isn’t really canon unless Miyazaki confirms it.

[@enriqueMalaOnda]

Well stop feeling and be rational

[@CuriosityMisledMe]

⁠@@Mori-ey8wj Don’t be a gooner for a game you haven’t even played yet.

[@treefroggy]

I was hoping for something more risky and not elden ring. My knee jerk reaction was this was the safest possible thing from their B/C team without going full cash grab. Broadest appeal possible to gamer bros. Was hoping their B team would get to do more of a deep cut. Removing all of the dungeon crawling for pure combat is the opposite of what I’d want, but exactly what most ham brains want. Well whatever, this one is not for me. There’s other, more exciting projects going on right now which haven’t been announced. There may be some kings field references. But the swiftness of motion is not anything that makes sense to me given the history of these mainline games with heavy dudes in armor. Made sense for Sekiro.

[@treefroggy]

Also good on you for saying reused asset whiners have no leg to stand on. I would add that the meaning of the name FROM SOFTWARE is also going right over their heads.

[@treefroggy]

Also hope it’s clear I’m not dooming, just I know this one ain’t for me

[@Scowleasy]

Dude if co-op is gated behind PS+ in a co-op game I’m gonna be so pissed

[@danielheater3389]

Do not underestimate Sony's ability to f things up

[@tombadil64]

It will be. Anything that's not free to play on playstation is locked behind psplus. It's not up to fromsoftware.

[@T4ll4hassee]

You can also play it solo

[@sleep_enjoyer13]

It's just the way it works unfortunately.

[@maliketh420]

of course it is, its the same with any other fromsoft game on PlayStation

[@Spider-Dude_Handle]

Loved your reaction to the announcement. "IS THAT THE NAMELESS KING?!" had me on the floor! 😂

[@IsolatedPixels]

Cash grab they lost their way after dark souls 3

[@Joecal2]

you sound rlly stupid you’re embarrassing yourself

[@BlueBeatle-c2v]

So basically Oops, All Dark Souls! scenario. My opinion alone the Dark Souls, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring to be it's own contained universes with its own stories to tell. Just seeing this DLC for the first time, I rolled my eyes twice over. Nameless King again, Ludwig again, pretty much all the dopamine effects I got a rush out the first time encountered to now being a meager shrug. Wow, everything again... Again I don't want to rain on anyone parade (my opinion) but I have been at this since Demon's Souls all the way to Sekiro. Just seeing the parry mechanic coming back, I ask why not do that in the first place, at the first go to hint players there is going to be a lot more down the road. Again, just an old head being nit picky.

[@ira1420]

The dumb thing about this game is that it's designed around coop but they won't make it cross platform

[@elibrainless90]

thank u for the vid. i am one of those people who wasnt very happy to say the least but you helped me to give it a chance. thanks!

[@TJuice1986]

I have no clue what Fromsoft was thinking with this. I have faith in Fromsoft and I hope it hits, but I just can’t see it right now..

[@jillsandwitch67]

One of my favourite parts of Fromsoft games is the slow methodical exploration, so if there are timed rounds I could see that being a bit of a deal breaker for me. Still gonna try it and I'm very excited.