My thoughts on Elite Dangerous, thanks troll!

I got a troll commenting, eventually going to insults. It got me inspired though, so - following my poll - my thoughts on Elite Dangerous, P2W or not, etc.
Image by Annette from Pixabay (The troll)
Music: Fanfare X by Alexander Nakarada (www.creatorchords.com)
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[@NoahChinnBooks]

"Hope you didn't mind this too much of a rant..." The mellowest rant I've heard in a while!

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Hahhah, yeah. Troll didn't deserve actual anger! Thanks for watching. Have a sub from me, love the avatar you have!

[@richvandervecken3954]

I play solo mode as my primary play style! One of the things I love about elite! I had enough of the devs in Eve online harassing me for pointing out their active participation in ganking players they do not like.

[@ronhall9394]

Totally agree with you in most of what you said. I run exploration mostly so I can play open without worrying about some dingbat zapping me, however when I get near back to populace loon infested space I drop into solo again - just can't be arsed with the high jinks some people want to dabble with.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

And I love that we have this option. The ultimate PVP off switch!

[@Lupinicus1664]

Well said. ED is the most complete space game around and has been for years. For most long term players it is more like a 'second life' than a simple game. I think it is players that view it only as a game and wish to exploit mechanics or 'reach the end' that end up being disappointed. The rest of us will continue to enjoy Elite for as long as we can.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Yeah, people want open world but cannot cope with open galaxy!

[@JRo250]

Let's silence the critics. I'll send you a "Hi!" in chat and you send me one back. PvP right there! 😀 Pay no attention to trolls. I do PvE most of the time and it's great. In fact, jumping to that next. o7 PS: hey, I was the #100 sub!!

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Thanks! Fly safe and enjoy the bounty hunting. o7

[@ScarredCitizen]

I just recently started playing. I still have so much more to learn. ED is a pretty interesting game so far.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Welcome to many... many hours of fun! Add me in game if you like, happy to help out. Thanks for commenting too!

[@spindash2023]

Right on Commander! I feel very much the same way; I love Elite for what it is and how it allows me to play however I'd like. Some folks are super into PvP, which is totally fine, others (like myself) prefer PvE playing with friends or just solo. That's totally fine too. What's not ok is to judge people for how they play, and I'll never understand it. I know people who their idea of a fun time is, "I have to be the absolute best in PvP, and anyone else who isn't is weak!" and then they get super upset for others having fun doing literally anything else. Like, who hurt you?

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Spot on. Thanks for that.

[@bigbangerz5856]

I agree with much of what you said, where I don’t agree is that you can play your way. My way is high risk high reward and that has been taken out of the gameplay imho because you are forced to do things Frontier’s way to get those rewards which (depending on ur PoV) can be very slow and needlessly padded or drawn out

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

I may be being dim here... example please! I mean, you can do what you want. Yes, to do it optimally you have to use game mechanics like engineering... but, that's the same with anything... Am I missing something? Genuine question, am lacking sleep!

[@the_rat_run]

Call that a rant? 🤣 Thanks to that troll for inspiring it, though! I enjoyed the P2W 'debate' on the forum, although even the loudest of the protestors failed to explain what I'd 'won' by buying the P2 Stellar... It is a nice ship to fly (the bought-for-credits version - I'm keeping the Stellar stock for zero rebuy fun) and I anticipate buying the Type 8 on release, if offered on the same terms. It seems to me that folk make a lot of noise because they don't wish to pay for something... BTW, I've been called a troll so many times it is laughable (not on ED related streams - although the forum... maybe!) when pointing out 'interesting' viewer comment inconsistencies on some photography channels . Keep up the good work, nice video, thanks.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Epic, thanks for the feedback, all helps keep me going!

[@shadowmystery5613]

I'm still playing a Gacha Game with Cluster Fuck RNG where people can pump in Hundred Thousands of Bucks. So I exactly know what Pay to Win means and especially looks like and gave a fuck and bought the Python Mk II because at least FDev currently offers the fairest game play I know about. You can't buy extra stats to make your weapon shoot three times as fast or do 200% more damage. I gotta support that.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Nicely put. Which game is it, if you don't mind me asking?

[@shadowmystery5613]

@@CMDR_CWolfxUK AFK Arena 😂 To be Top 100 there you have to pay Lamborghinis and a Hero costs like 1'000$ Which makes it all the more fun if my Partial F2P count shits on spenders and kicks them off the ladder because I had to think about what I am doing instead of using a credit card and just get what I want.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

@@shadowmystery5613 Tactics vs blind spending, like it. I do similar with Warframe.

[@CanadianSmoke]

I've just started this game after years of Rise of Flight and IL-2 Sturmovik... and I love it. I ultimately want to get into exploration and I'm about to purchase my next ship after the Sidewinder... the engineering requirements are daunting... but, I've got the time. The only other "space" game I've tried is Foundations X4.... and I do prefer Elite!

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Welcome! Feel free to join my Discord if you want any advice, etc.

[@CanadianSmoke]

@@CMDR_CWolfxUK Thank you!

[@christopherdaffron8115]

I also got the ARX Python MK2. The modules that come with it are nice, but if you try to swap them out for something else, they are GONE for good. As you said, you need to engineer them to be really effective like most ships.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

I did wonder on that. I know they cannot be fitted to other ships but they actually go for good? Wow! What do you think of the P2 anyway?

[@christopherdaffron8115]

​@@CMDR_CWolfxUK Yes if you try to remove an included module you get a warning that the module will be destroyed which is bad if you have already engineered it. Oh, it's a great combat ship. I use it extensively in High RES sites with stacked Massacre missions.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Yeah, as per my videos I do like it. Also as per my videos there is no way I would have stuck with what it came with! That's why I went base. Have just tied up the last mats needed to fully engineer it, including engineered Pacifiers. Then at some point in the future I'll grab ship kit and paint job.

[@christopherdaffron8115]

@@CMDR_CWolfxUK I am pledged to Hudson, but still need a couple of weeks to unlock those wonderful Pacifiers :) I'll fit four of those bad boys onto my Python MK II (Stellar).

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

@@christopherdaffron8115 they are awesome

[@edgar_friendly]

Sweet jesus, the console player salt is literally never ending. They accounted for 75% of all the bad press and negativity towards Odyssey when it first landed. Most of it totally unfounded. They had (and still have) an extremely toxic attitude. If they can't enjoy it, they can't let anyone else either.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

It's when opinions become deadly purpose, the console wars - even religious fanatics pause before entering.

[@edgar_friendly]

@@CMDR_CWolfxUK The kicker is that the quoted individual who said they'd play SC instead, if they had a decent PC, would probably have nothing but great things to say about that complete ponzi scheme. They just bear a massive grudge against ED:O because Fdev couldn't get it to run on ancient hardware.

[@mikedawe692]

Game icons come and go on my PC but ED is the one constant and has been more years than I can easily remember. I’d rather “donate” real coin every now and then to keep this game in the developers radar than have it dwindle and be starved of creative talent and content updates because a zoo management game is making more money.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Spot on, no matter how full my drives have gotten - always a space saved for Elite Dangerous!

[@user-pr4gh8zm1d]

nice rant, i love elite

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Cheers!

[@jasperlit1345]

When trying different settings with control pad, did you find anything that seemed to make an improvement with F/A off? I don't use "Alternate Flight Controls" and was able to cover all the axis with controller, I used sticks for pitch, yaw, roll, and vertical thrusters, and I put lateral thrusters on the shoulder buttons, I use presets for throttle -100, 0, +50, +75, +100. Now I am trying to do F/A off more than just to turn faster, so was wondering if you found any good binds/settings lol Thanks! o7

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

I am going to draw up the two different versions I tried, will post in my community bit.

[@jasperlit1345]

@@CMDR_CWolfxUK Awesome thanks!

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Right! Have a look at my Community section, www.youtube.com/@CMDR_CWolfxUK/community - there they are!

[@IntangirVoluntaryist]

the shitty amount of arx you can get from in game is so pathetic, and just when you thought you were gonna buy something? they raised the costs by DOUBLE... so that does suck big time

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

I do actually agree, moving the goalposts on arx sucks. However... it's for cosmetics. I can cope without if need be, would rather the voluntary store - used by people who can spare the cash - than having to pay a subscription.

[@ratstar4102]

I dont understand why its Pay to win when this game is base on skills. I thought the Python MK2 is loaded with full engineering but its not!

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Yup, correct indeed! You can pay to get it early and get some engineered modules, but the engineering isn't high level and you still need skill to use it. Unlike, say, Star Citizen - where you can literally pay for a kick arse ship that is unavailable to buy in game.

[@The-Man-On-The-Mountain]

I think people are angry with the wrong person. I am angry but with Frontier for many reasons but I haven't got any issues with the people who play ED and enjoy it, and in fact I still enjoy ED videos like yours even though for me, the game is actually dead because I am stuck on console and can't afford a PC, and keep playing ED after 3K+ hours and after having done every mechanic possible is pointless, so the motivation went away forever. But as I've just said, I still enjoy the content, the news, etc. Regarding the pay to win, I think that pre-built/engineered ships is pay to win to be honest, and that's another thing that I don't like from Frontier. And if you or any other person likes it that way, it's ok, we all are different and we all have different opinions about ED. Many people enjoy the FPS aspect of the game and I despise it, but that's on me, it's my taste, and there's nothing wrong with the people who really enjoy the FPS in ED But again, it's Frontier. I will never get why the hostility from other people towards people who just enjoy a game that they no longer enjoy, for whatever reasons. I don't know if it's tribalism or what. And I get the frustration and the anger, because I feel it, but ED enjoyers are not to blame, at all.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

All fair points, and it is opinions. Not a huge fan of the FPS side either, I got ED to fly spaceships. I am also irritated by lost promises- like Eva to steal ships. What really made me laugh is he hated P2W but wants to play Star Citizen, literal P2W

[@The-Man-On-The-Mountain]

@@CMDR_CWolfxUK Me too buddy. I fell in love with ED EXACTLY because it wasn't another FPS, but something entirely different. What I wanted in the case of legs, is bonding with NPCs with actual campaigns. Imagine a true campaign full of NPCs with personalities for every super power instead of the ballots sht or the soulless combat merits (which is fine, the combat I mean, but it's really empty at the end of the day). Or more exploration mechanics, with more ruins like labyrinths or pyramids from unknown species, or something like that. Even with ship interiors you could implement survival mechanics, like the need for a water recycler or a food synthesizer module, or modules for analysis, etc. Maybe these are not ideas that the majority would like, and that's my point: it's fine. If at the end of the day people enjoy the FPS, well it is how it is. Being mad at those players would be idiotic isn't it? And yeah, hating on ED for pre-built ships but having no problems with Star Citizen is a bit weird. I love what CIG tries to achieve and I really love their ship designs, but you can't say that's not the same thing as pre-built ships behind a paywall in ED, because it's the same thing. The thing, I guess, is that SC never denied its nature, while ED was always extremely based on grind.

[@the_rat_run]

@@CMDR_CWolfxUK I pledged the price of an AA game to CIG years ago (not long after I bought ED) but haven't spent another penny on that game since, maybe when it actually releases? EDO added quite a lot on top of Horizons, IMO all of it is great (my group enjoy the on-foot aspects, often cleaning out lawful settlements for the fun of it) in its own right, but I wasn't part of the kickstarter / early game adopters, so have no concern what isn't in the game from what was discussed 10+ years ago. I will say that, currently, FD have done little to flesh out the EDO content, apart from the Thargoid content, some of which has been amazingly atmospheric, and has provided some integration between ship / SRV / on-foot activities, I wonder what will remain once the Thargoid Titans have been nullified?

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Yeah, I am glad new ships are happening and it gives me hope for the future.

[@zacharypump5910]

How long did you try star citizen for? And when? Just curious

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Good question. So about every few months I give it a good few hours at a time - have been since 3.0. Have had some fun with it but the issues always outweighed the time cost. As a working guy with a family my gaming time on the PC is quite tight. ED allows me to hop in and out as I want. SC has too much running around every time I start. At least now I don't get killed for running down stairways and elevators have a lower kill rate! But disconnects are a pain. Wipes too, why earn the money for a ship only to lose it in a few months. This is one of the prime ways CIG makes money - magically the paid for ships are always safe...

[@zacharypump5910]

@@CMDR_CWolfxUK I really enjoy star citizen, but yeah you pay a huge cost in the other problems it has. I play it for a month then take a long break, rinse repeat

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

@zacharypump5910 all good. At some point, once the servers are more stable it will be getting there. What frustrates is that SQ42 is single player, so all the server related issues shouldn't exist... so where is it?

[@diceman199]

The problem with PvP in many games is casual players end up getting killed off again and again by people who play for hours every day and know the maps like the back of their hand. No fun to be had their. Similar with Elite, most of us are not in ships engineered to the max for PvP, so when we play in open we get shot to pieces.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Very true. That's why I am glad they thought ahead and gave the options of Solo or Private Group.

[@diceman199]

@@CMDR_CWolfxUK worst case I had was dropping into a combat zone in a conda and getting attacked by 4 corvettes before i'd even chosen which faction I was with.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Heh, yup. Most recent was a passenger run and got killed in my Dolphin by a Krait Phantom for the heinous crime of "o7" in chat.

[@RedCatHabitat]

is there in game server chat?

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

With every player? No. To be honest, every game with it - like Eve - is chaotic. Don't get me wrong, I can see some of the advantages but Elite at it's peak often has/had thousands on at once and I know I certainly would have turned Global chat off! You can talk to people in the same solar system without knowing them. You can talk to anyone in your Squadron (clan/corp) anytime and you can talk to friends anytime.

[@RedCatHabitat]

@@CMDR_CWolfxUK reinstalled ! looking forward to flying my viper again.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Ooh! Welcome back! I do like the Viper.

[@stevenboughner7255]

I would be willing to bet a dollar most of the content creators are playing in solo because a ganker can ruin your video. I think there are people who just complain because that's what they like doing. I would wager they haven't played the game. We don't need a Subscription Eve online is $20 a month if you buy a month at a time. Elite Dangerous is a great game IMOP.

[@markthompson1520]

Tbh, ever since the release of the SCO, I haven't had ANY issues. Trust me. I went to JM and not a single interdiction. Keep in mind, I ALWAYS play in open, and I did NOT use the SCO. I think the gankers have possibly scared off enough people from playing in open to make it seem so empty. But at the same time, the game has been on quite the decline since Odyssey. I hope it picks back up soon.

[@CosminNecula]

Wait, PvP is dead? Cool, so I can play in open without worrying about gankers... Ahem... Yeah, PvP is dead, that means Elite is dead too. If you like PvP go to Star Citizen, Elite is dead, Elite sucks... :D

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Hahhah, I read that as sarcasm.... yes?

[@CosminNecula]

@CMDR_CWolfxUK You read that right! To answer to one of those comments you've shown in your video: I have a PC that can run anything you throw at it, but I play Elite, not SC, because: - I don't like when my ship start convulsing on the landing pad - I don't like falling through the floor and dying - I don't like when the elevator tells me I am on ground floor when I just got in it, didn't press any button and I was on 5th floor.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

@CosminNecula phew! Agreed on all points. I also don't have to get up, take a lift, run to a station, take a train, run to another lift (elevator) then summon my ship every, single, time!

[@CosminNecula]

@@CMDR_CWolfxUK Absolutely! I love space flight sims, not space station walking sims!

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

@CosminNecula The Space part of ED is what keeps me playing. Yes, I Can get out my ship... I very rarely do. The one wise thing about EDO was keeping on foot and space separate - as in I do not need to not space. SC forces the on foot stuff.

[@saifer21]

This game is skip, at this point No Man Sky is better game.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Interesting take considering they are completely different, only including space as a theme. It's like looking at Burnout Paradise and declaring it a better car game than Forza Horizon 5, they are different takes on a theme. I like both NMS and Elite Dangerous, Elite Dangerous is the one I prefer playing and get more out of. If you prefer NMS, good for you, have fun!

[@saifer21]

@@CMDR_CWolfxUK i respect you opinion, but thats just your subjective point on game, objectively NMS is in every aspect superior game except for graphic. Numbers dont lie NMS is more popular. For new player its better choice.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Also respecting opinion, if ED not for you, it's not for you. I care not for numbers. A lot of the games I enjoy may well have come out before you were born (that's a guess, not an insult). I just love the flight model and how ED plays. I could be the only player, I'd still enjoy it.