My two new favourite Matek flight controller for INAV builds...

[@peacemakermotion3949]

I've recently converted everything over to ELRS and getting into planes again i have now been using the F405-WTE with built in ELRS. they are bloody great!

[@ApolloSevan]

I got F405 WMN just the other day an noticed how few videos there were on it. Excited to see you are picking them up!

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic review, Lee! Thanks!!! 😃 The F405 board is crazy! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@dustinwilson492]

Thanks for going over these. I'm currently running the pwm elrs in my T1 and plan on adding my first flight controller but everything I had seen was with the older versions. I'm already nervous so you going over these has helped spur me on.

[@jamesemery1]

love the new smaller form factor for the Wmn will make life so much easier on smaller models. Stay safe Lee

[@wanglanyu408]

Matek YYDS🎉🎉🎉

[@BigMeanyVids]

Thanks for keeping us up to date as I don't keep track of iNav latest and greatest. I always know your videos are the go-to place to get me up to speed. Seems you have pointed me to the board for my fpv sailplane build with dji fpv system I want to do this year. I want iNav as a failsafe in case video dies as mostly I want to try to thermal using the variometer/altimeter and have iNav just on standby. Always a good idea based on my experience.

[@Painless360]

If you want sailplane and thermals then Ardupilot is worth checking out. It's a lot more sophisticated for things like that... Best of luck

[@helmuthuneke1775]

i like the new f 405 with the extension board i use on my P51 with flaps and retract gear. the fc goes in the fuselage and the little board into the wing with some jst 1.25 plugs.

[@brunoadriao1280]

I just lost my mind and bought the wmn and the m8q 5883. Yey. Thank you.

[@Caroline_Tyler]

Love the F405-Wing - loads of UARTS/PWMs but even more the onboard power regulators, ones that I could trust. The smaller form factor FCs always lack the variety and grunt in this area.

[@Painless360]

They do but they are perfect for wings... Happy flying

[@sigufo]

There is also a f405 WSE with sd card reader and more acsesseble pins. And a new matek board with ELRS receiver built inn.

[@batmojuice5704]

I just installed one of these. I don’t know if this is a design issue or an issue with my noisy ESC, but the OSD flickers and eventually goes away the higher my throttle goes. The video is good to go. Matek recommends a cap on the ESC. I’m curious to see if you have that same issue. Tying the grounds together doesn’t fix the problem, as has worked on other builds. The footprint of this thing is tiny. Good idea about using the L headers to separate things a bit, if there is room. You kinda have to plan that out. Thanks for all of your videos. They are priceless.

[@Painless360]

Analogue FPV?

[@batmojuice5704]

Yes sir

[@Painless360]

Common gounds and clean power supply to the cameta and VTX are the common fixes... best of luck

[@batmojuice5704]

I added a 470uF cap, Panasonic FR series (from Amazon) and, like magic, it fixed my issue! The common grounding didn’t fix my noisy ESC issue.

[@RCDUDEFPV]

Very nice

[@djtrombley]

I purchased a F405-WMN with the intention of putting Ardupilot on it. Much to my dismay, it appears Mission Planner does not support the barometer used on this board. Unless there is some work-around that I'm not familiar with, it would be wonderful if Painless could use his influence to get the MP developers to add support for this product.

[@Painless360]

Looks like it is supported... What troubleshooting have you already done?

[@djtrombley]

@@Painless360 After applying the correct firmware (MatekF405-TE) , when you attempt to connect to Mission Planner, you get an error message "Baro: unable to initialize driver" and Mission Planner halts.

[@planerenecosse7013]

Looking forward to see your next builds using those, especially if you are going to use the latest air unit 03 from DJI. Speaking of those I am hoping to use the air unit 03 and the DJI radio (DJI FPV system radio) (since I beleive the range can be up to 10km) so would any of these boards work in my little project? Thank you for your time

[@johncarold]

Hi Lee, Maytek ? Never heard of them. Of course Maytek has a new F.C, I just finished my Ranger T1 Build with a Maytek F411 wte, and I don't have a buzzer, BUMMER ! I am planning on using a H-743 wing that I purchased a long time ago. But I think the next time I will be looking for one. Thanks again for the video and information about the new Maytek F.C's.

[@afterburnerrc6333]

Hey great vid! I am looking to also build a Dolphin with INAV6 and was curious what is your thought about the H743-WLITE. Seems OK especially the addition of the camera power off/on via mode switch as I am looking to add an O3 setup and thought maybe this would help so the camera doesn't overheat when not yet flying. I like the F405-WMN and wondered, do you know if the O3 VTX has a low-power mode like WS?

[@Painless360]

I've not seen an o3 unit yet. H7 is overkill for basic builds.. Stay tuned!

[@oe8219]

I have been learning a lot from your videos. Thanks. Any way of having a thermal detector setup on a small and light electric glider with the small electric motor to be used only when necessary? The model will start to loiter at 75meters over the RTH location, the motor will be turned off at this altitude, it will circle with a 50mt radius as is set up in the RTH setup. If the glider goes down to 40mt, the motor will be turned on an will take the glider back to 75mt and turn motor off again until any of the TX sticks are moved. A led on the bottom of the glider will blink if the glider is gaining altitude if the motor is off while this is happening.

[@Painless360]

I don't do a lot with gliders here so porbably not the bext person to ask. Arduplane has the best 'glider' awareness I've seen so far so I'd check that out - ardupilot.org/plane/docs/soaring.html

[@sidd8310]

411wte surprised me how small it is compared to 405wing which are in my dart xl and fox2400 glider. I just installed the 411 in my new talon gt build, not maiden yet. Fingers crossed ;) thanks for review

[@Painless360]

Best of luck!

[@raybearden9594]

How about a link to those little right angle pins you use in the description.

[@Painless360]

Which ones exactly? A time code would help...

[@staydown.normal5323]

this is the board i use and love but the wse is gone and i miss it.... but they have the wte now

[@MichaelJWolf-ku3kv]

Hey painless. I know this is an older video but I have a couple questions. I’ve been out the hobby for a couple of years and am just now getting back into it. I previously only flew analog but now I’m getting the Walksnail HD fpv system to use with a new wing. Prior to leaving the hobby a couple of years ago, I had built a ton of wings. I no longer have all of my tool and everything so I’m not in a spot to build one from scratch so looking for a pnp wing or other type of one prop plane for hd fpv. I’m looking at maybe getting the TBS Caip 2 to use with the F405-WMN and the Walksnail FPV system. Does that seem like a good setup these days or would you recommend a different wing? I owned a Caip 2 years ago and liked it a lot but am currently catching up on all the new options out there. Additionally, I never previously used a flight controller with any of my wings so I’m gonna have to learn Inav as well. Anyways, thanks for any tips and thanks for the years of helpful videos!

[@Painless360]

Hi Michael! Welcome back into the hobby. The basics are all the same, but a lot of the technology has advanced while you've not been flying. I helped design a Caip2 style wing that many are fans of: AR Wing PRO (www.3dxr.co.uk/fixed-wing-c27/fixed-wing-kits-c105/sonic-modell-ar-wing-pro-p4597). It provides a much cheaper way to get a wing that does a lot of what that TBS wing did for a lot less money. Check out my INAV for Beginners 2022 series for ideas on how to build a modern wing with INAV. I have lots of builds for you to check out.. Best of luck!

[@emilstoianov7437]

Good day Great video and now considering the f405WMN variant. Does it work together with Walksnail HD FPV and their Walksnail WS-M181 GPS together?

[@Painless360]

I've not tried the Walksnail GPS but I'd expect so as the only real difference if the extra shielding, from what I can see. You only need that if there is no option but to mount the AVATAR and GPS very closely together.. Best of luck!

[@mouseFPV]

F405-wmn king

[@peterpaul100]

maybe a bit off topic, but Lee, do you understand why Matek chooses not to provide the motor control (S1 and S2) with pins in the WMN, but with difficult solder surfaces. Anyone with a wing just expects pins I think

[@Painless360]

No idea. It would have been a move option. Happy flying

[@vigor3d]

Hi Lee many thanks for the replies and links but unfortunately have not been any help in resolving my issues. I went flying to test the Atom and as mentioned before I can get the throttle to work by pushing the tx sticks into the corners after arming and the throttle will respond, so open throttle threw plane into the air and it flew well but noticed the auto launch did not work as it does on my TBS cap also using a matek board dji air unit and same dji black tx. went I got home I set up the goggles so I could see what was being said on the display. To my surprise I only get HOR, ACRO and no manual stays on ACRO yet this changes in the mode in the configurator ??. When arming I get the yellow triangle in configurator arm changes sometimes to a light blue sometime to a dark blue ?? but when the tx sticks are pushed together I get STAB show up in the goggles. What is this please im assuming stabilised mode ??? but why does this stop the auto launch. We don't have a STAB mode option,I am now at a loss with getting this Matek F405wmn working correctly. I have tried other radios with an external rx and a different esc. Esc is set to standard but have tried dshot options no better. in the start up page in Inav on the right which shows the status of the board I get all green ticks so all is well. Im completely confused now, any help would gratefully appreciated. cheers Wayne

[@Painless360]

Sounds like you've missed something pretty basic in the setup. I'm sorry that the INAV for beginners series isn't fixing it for you. Please use them as the process to commission a model. To help, I need specific things that are different when you're trying to follow those videos. Radio mapping and setup is covered in detail... Please leave a comment on one of those videos where your experince of the setup differs... Best of luck

[@vigor3d]

Hi Lee, Great review can you do a review setting up in Inav from start to flying as i am in the process of setting mine up( F405 wmn), I am not new to Matek but for the life of me cannot get power output to the servos s3 and s4. Im set up as a wing no tail, s1 motor, that runs from the Tx (DJI) thru DJI air unit all servo tabs in configurator work fine, arm, acro manual etc all set and working and led status on FC respond, model gyros respond to model picture in configurator but I cannot get ail and ele servos working. All in an Atom Dolphin. Have started with v4 then 5.1 and then 6 none output servo power. ??I have been flying this plane with a conventional rx and flies great but now want auto launch and return to home. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Wayne

[@Painless360]

Hey Wayne, next time I get a spare half hour I'll have a play. I've seen this on some other FCs in the past.github.com/iNavFlight/inav/issues/7772 was me asking for help. If this is reproducible then I'd raise an issue to the developers.. Best of luck!

[@vigor3d]

@@Painless360 Hi Lee after spending all day today on it swapping out the DJI to futaba gear I finally got the servos working but now no throttle so been trying multiple versions of iNav. Went back to the DJI and air unit still had servos so I ended up replacing the esc with a servo as it was easier and safer to see the servo move could still move servo from the motor output tab in configurator but could not arm. I don’t have gps yet or failsafe so knew this was not the problem I did the the yellow triangle when arming but no throttle. In frustration I round the tx sticks around in circles while thinking and the the throttle servo moved ???? I have figured out that dispute ch5 activated to arm it’s dark blue when I put the sticks in opposite corners like the old days of the DJI naza to and disarm I can get the motor to arm and run every time. I don’t know why this works I cannot see this in configurator as it’s already armed on ch5 but it works. Any ideas???? I have seen so many people asking this question re the throttle not arming how can this be. I will try and make a video to show this. I still want to get rid of this as my other matek boards don’t do this just this 405 wmn.

[@Painless360]

Don't forget that throttle only works when things are ARMED - kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3qyZXp5pLipjdk

[@IanF-FPV]

I’m not a fan of my f405-wmn. I get a lot of video noise now since switching from a f411wse.

[@Painless360]

Interesting, analogue?

[@IanF-FPV]

@@Painless360 yes analog

[@L3ma_Illustration]

Do these run betaflight 4.3? How would I be able to connect any of these to the new DJI O3 flight controller? Any pointers to connection diagram or videos or will you do a setup guide for this O3 DJI specific setup in near future? :)

[@Painless360]

There are some fab wiring diagrams on the Matek website. I have a number of videos that show how to setup a UART for DJI. Let me know if you can't find 3...Best of luck

[@Jacob-og9pz]

Is it possible to modify this to use as a quadcopter flight controller? I've got one laying around

[@blackterminal]

Why would you want the limited Goggle osd instead of the flight osd?

[@Painless360]

I don't understand the question. what is a flight OSD?

[@blackterminal]

@@Painless360 hi painless. I meant the limited osd from the camera system vs the full flight controller osd.

[@Painless360]

I'm still not understanding what you mean. Are you referring to analogue vs. Digital OSDs?

[@boactech3076]

Now you can fire your eachine mobula. I have used the noxe v1 with INav, and it flies like a rocket 😂 Hand launch is only possible with auto launch because of the stall speed.. Btw, prices now really high for flight controllers 😢

[@itsfunflyingirfan6979]

I have installed 1 wing with hdzero and 2 wings with dji wtfos on uart on f411wte. Elrs rx on Uart GPS on Softserial at 38600 baud rates. All working flawlessly with 18-22 satellites. Be mind my gps are BN-220.

[@rasmus80g]

I just read softserial is limited to 19200? Is 38600 working reliable for you? Or will 19200 be enough for gps use???

[@Painless360]

That is a cute way to get around the number of hardware ports. Thanks for posting. What Baud are you running the GPS at?

[@itsfunflyingirfan6979]

@@Painless360 38600

[@itsfunflyingirfan6979]

@@rasmus80g nope. It is stated that the soft serial is up to 57600 baud rate on the Matek website. And you should set the gps on 38600 for it to work. Higher than that, the gps will keeps rebooting. Mine is on F411WTE though (not WSE). And bear in mind that all gps that works for me is the Beitian BN-220 and also Mamba BN-220

[@paulbizard3493]

Hi Painless, nice video, I also bought a F411-WTE. Can the GPS be wired to the WTE with soft serial instead of UART? Or is soft serial too slow? Or something else?

[@Painless360]

It can but limits the GPS to 57,600 baud rather than the 115,200 that you can get out a hardware UART. Should still be OK... Happy flying

[@paulbizard3493]

@@Painless360 GPS is already lagy, around 1s of time lag.

[@Painless360]

If that is on a hardware UART then something else is going on..

[@paulbizard3493]

@@Painless360 No I mean GPS internal computations are time consuming. You can see the lag while driving around roundabouts. The 10Hz update rate does not compensate for the GPS internal lag. It only avoids additional lag from the FC computations.

[@terminsane]

What do you think of the 405-miniTE? Seems loaded with uarts, all on a single board

[@ericnelsonnn]

I thought you can put multiple devices on the I2c bus? Can't you connect the digital airspeed and GPS both to SCL and SDA on the 411-WTE? It also seems to have the analog airspeed pads as well so you can have gps/airspeed that way too, no?

[@Painless360]

You can if the devices have different IDs. Happy flying!

[@quadthingcopter5984]

i have the matek f411 wte, i have problem that the voltage metre is reading 30v when i pug any 4s battery it is set to the default 1100 metering on inav.

[@punkrawk89]

Hi! I'm wanting to start my first Inav build soon but I have only installed the zohd kopilot. I'm looking for a good flight controller that is a step up from the kopilot. Would you recommend this FC for a first-timer? Thanks for all the content!

[@Painless360]

It depends on the model. Check out the INAV for beginners 2022 series linked in the description... Happy flying

[@ogheneochukoakpojotor7683]

Thanks for the video. Would the F405-WMN be compatible with a BN-880 GPS for an ardupilot / arduplane setup ?

[@Painless360]

Ardupilot target listed on the website - www.mateksys.com/?portfolio=f405-wmn So, should work with a 3rd party GPS/Compass no problem.

[@MrMartinRome]

Hi Lee, can you put Ardupilot on the WMN and use it for a VTOL?

[@Thunderbyrd.]

I don't see why not. but I haven't tried it.

[@skyhookphotography1546]

Does the wte come without pins to solder or did I get a packet missing them

[@Painless360]

Honestly, can't recall. I don't use them here as they only have two hardware UARTS.. I'd ask the person you are about to order one from.. Best of luck!

[@Mi78]

I'd like to run ArduPlane on the F405-wmn, but I'm worried the missing SD slot is going to be a big disadvantage. Or am I wrong about that?

[@Tart0p0mme78]

Do you know why they are not on banggood ? :(

[@Chris-vc1dh]

can you somehow reduce voltage on servo from 5v to 3v?

[@Painless360]

Why would you want to do that?

[@Chris-vc1dh]

@@Painless360 because I am making very small plane and will need to use super small servos and they are low voltage

[@dombas-gj3rf]

Hi Rx from DJI Air Unit connect to the LED on the controller? Why?

[@Painless360]

I'm guessing you missed that video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYWwaqp9iplkrNE

[@dombas-gj3rf]

@@Painless360 sorry Tx not Rx There is a drawing with such a connection. 1:06 min

[@garyjohn1076]

Lee why are all my channals not in the correct order? I carnt figure it out for the life of me! The rudder is on the throttle channal ect! Totally lost! Any ideas?

[@Painless360]

The default channel order is set on the radio in the 'settings' menu. You can change it, and it'll default to that for new model setups. For the hobby, AETR is default, but other arrangements are supported. Simply select the channel order you want in Betaflight or INAV configurator. See my builds..

[@garyjohn1076]

@Painless360 Thanks. I'm new to planes and inav. I flew drones for a few years. But your review on a flight controller also made me make the jump into planes! I'm just sitting down with a cup of tea to watch the INAV playlist of yours! Thanks for replying! There genuinely isn't many who do! 👍

[@bomberaustychunksbruv4119]

I will only use Matek for FC. Although I havent bought one in at least 8 months due to cost and the models changing so fast.

[@Painless360]

I reuse mine here as models come to the end of their life. Flight controllers are expensive so they get harvested... Happy flying!

[@terminsane]

Im learning to build my own with dollar store foam. So much cheaper, and its part of the hobby you can do while its rainy/windy too. All the electronics generally survive the crashes, all wrapped up in foam ;)

[@neuav8072]

Hi , does this FC works with PX4?

[@Painless360]

If it does it'll be listed on the PX4 supported hardware pages. Best of luck!

[@neuav8072]

@@Painless360 Thanks mate

[@thinbluelinelife]

Has anyone figured out how to use DJI OSD with the F411-WTE? I cannot get it to work, even tried using the softserial 1 connection.

[@Painless360]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYWwaqp9iplkrNE is how I did it on the previous version... Best of luck

[@leflamantrosefpv1725]

so the dji osd works with serial port or not? (for the f411 wte)?

[@leflamantrosefpv1725]

??

[@ogheneochukoakpojotor7683]

Thanks for the video, I have a question. The GPS setup you have on the F405-WMN you did not connect the SDA AND SCL as shown in the guide. Will it be an issue if you setup it like this ? Also given the SDA AND SCL are free now, you can connect the airspeed sensor to the SDA and SCL right ? Thanks.

[@Painless360]

Yes you can. Happy flying

[@dombas-gj3rf]

How to connect dji o3 to f411 wte ?

[@Painless360]

Same as with any other flight controller. See my other builds with DJI FPV. SoftSerial is ok for DJI OSD.. Best of luck.

[@abcdefghjijklfgu]

I am making my first build. Are matek flight controllers compatible with betasky receivers? In my case the matek f405 wmn + betaflight expressLRS lite receiver.

[@Painless360]

Should be. If the reciever talks SBUS or CRSF then it should work without too much effort. Best of luck

[@abcdefghjijklfgu]

@@Painless360 thankyou

[@martini4753]

Hi, would these two FC work with FS- IA6B rx? it has only ibus and ppm

[@Painless360]

Check if the software you intend to use supports ibus... Best of luck

[@martini4753]

@@Painless360 It would b INAV, so yea?

[@Painless360]

Looks like it

[@horsship]

It says Inav not supported for ppm. Does it support ppm in Ardupilot for the f405 wmn board?

[@Painless360]

I've not used PPM for a long time. I'd check the Ardupilot docs... Best of luck

[@ryanomoso7173]

I have glitches and flickering on my OSD when I increase throttle, OSD is normal when at zero throttle, glitches appears around 3 amps discharge. My fc is the F405 WMN, what could be the problem with my ground wiring?

[@Painless360]

See kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKSbeXmabaiWrqM Poor grounds or messy wiring is usually the problem. Best of luck

[@leflamantrosefpv1725]

please! say me if the dji osd works with serial port for dji fpv or not? please answer me thank's!

[@Painless360]

It does

[@leflamantrosefpv1725]

@@Painless360 ok thank you!!

[@raven_fpv]

HAHA nice Lee! Now we all will know the new WMN FC as the "Woman Board"

[@nogod4me_fpv]

Is it impossible to use f411wte with Walksnail HD system on a FW, am I right?

[@Painless360]

Try kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZyqloaklJ2shq8

[@tubermick]

I've just bought a F405WMN because of the lack of UARTS on the 411 WSE, can I use the cli dump from the WSE and put it on the WMN?as the WMN uses inav 5 ?

[@Painless360]

Most of it should be fine but things like the port mapping is probably different so I wouldn't copy that..

[@tubermick]

@@Painless360 thanks mate 👍

[@andreelb1203]

Can you run a F411-WTE with CRSF over UART, GPS over the other UART, and also have the DJI Air unit hooked up with OSD working? Or do I need to go for the F405-WMN?

[@Painless360]

I run DJI air units on soft serial here. Best of luck

[@beubeurk]

@@Painless360 Hi lee and thanks for your videos. Following you for yeeeaaars here :) can you please point to a link for the F411WTE firmware that let us use softserial for DJI FPV? i just upadted to inav 7.1 but cant find that specific target! thank a lot for alll you do for the community!

[@Tron-FPV]

I'm running a f411-wing. i have walksnail on uart 1 receiver on uart 2 but i'm stuck with my GPS. i believe i'm out UARTS. is that he case or am i doing something wrong. I don't think the F411-wing has enough Soft serial either.

[@Painless360]

With only 2 UARTs and limited soft serial, this older FC isn't great for modern builds using HD FPV with an OSD. Also, the voltage smoothing on this one was not great too... Best of luck

[@Tron-FPV]

@@Painless360 firmware.! That what I thought. I may not hook up the RC tx for walksnail and just use telemetry to the radio and the walksnail vbat voltage for now

[@Tommyjames21]

Hi, i have customised my matek f411 wse with New possibility as uart 1 for gps, uart 2 as RX ans full softserial as dji osd (with ch6 for softserial RX) but i just kept led control. If interrested on the hex file i Can share it! Hi from France !

[@battano]

The new Matek F411-WTE should replace the WSE and it has OSD...