My Vegan Comebacks Video Was Debunked by Fitness YouTuber?

KZbinr Chris Kruger believes I have my facts wrong so it's time to hit all the topics from vegan protein levels to how grass fed beef causes less harm than vegan diets. Here is my response.
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[@VeganFootsoldier]

also his list of "ex vegan" anecdote videos included...... me. LOL. Literally among his "evidence" were parody videos and videos from people who are clearly not ex vegans. EXCELLENT EVIDENCE!

[@lellyt2372]

Classic ! Looked at video titles (maybe, maybe not) and thought "yep, that goes on the list, job done" 😀😀😀

[@RabbitFoodFitness]

That's hilarious!!!! I did not even catch that the first time through!

[@chrismoore1372]

Running with fake ass incomplete studys is much better evidence I guess LOLOLOLOLOL

[@supersilverhazeroker]

@@lellyt2372 to be fair i doubt he looked up some videos and made a list out of it.. he probably searched for something like "why i'm not vegan anymore" or whatever and the list you see are the results. though he probably actually believes that's all ex-vegans, or at least he wants to portray that.

[@fragitude]

Lol i saw that!

[@lizmednick3842]

What is it with meat advocates moving the goalposts on protein? His video is pathetic! I've been a vegan for 31 years, I'm healthy as a horse and according to him I should be coughing up blood.

[@shawndarling5855]

Me I have consumed dairy and meat products my whole life. I am terribly overweight, out of shape, been fifteen years since I had sex with my wife. Thursday night I lost my position on our volunteer fire department. Because Saturday we were supposed to have our two year physical fitness exam. I didn't bother to go because usually the fire chief would just write me down as I showed up and passed. It was like that for eighteen years. The reason was my father was the chief I barely passed and failed the exams anyway. But my father retired from the department and a family friend became chief so I got away with it for a while longer. But he retired and now got a by the book chief. Since I have went to only one other meeting missed every training session. Only went on three calls and didn't do anything on them. I know that if I was vegan I would have energy, attitude, and be in the proper physical shape to do the job. But I am greedy, selfish, and want my stomach and taste buds satisfied. If I go out young I will have a full happy stomach.

[@lischa31]

@@shawndarling5855 wow your comment really had me concerned, how are you doing now?

[@shawndarling5855]

@@lischa31 I am trying the keto diet. I have lost 20 pounds. From two hundred and sixty to two forty. Exercising every day. Got back on the volunteer fire department.

[@lischa31]

@@shawndarling5855 That's good to hear. Sounds like things are looking up a bit! I've heard some scary things about keto though, definitely wouldnt want it for myself right now. Watch out for high cholesterol, and be well :)

[@theliliamaria]

Liz Mednick you go girl!!!!

[@VegAnns]

my pregnancy as a vegan went perfect without deficiencies

[@craggerrs]

Irrelevant statement - my grandad lived to over 90 while smoking almost his entire life

[@craggerrs]

@@tanjajurgec3385 I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID - I was using that to demonstrate that ole 'VegAnn''s comment about vegan pregnancy wasn't helpful. For the same reason that my smoking anecdote wouldn't be helpful if I used it to say smoking was all fine and dandy.

[@MictheVegan]

VegAnn congrats! They will be a very creative vegebaby!

[@jaymiddleton1782]

craggle the difference is there’s no evidence whatsoever that smoking is good for you but on the other hand there’s an abundance of evidence suggesting that a whole food plant based diet is healthy for all stages of life. So it’s really a fallacy of false equivalency. Don’t worry, since there’s no rational argument against veganism, the only thing you can do is throw out fallacies.

[@teamsupercalifragilisticex8819]

I had vegan pregnancies w my children. Now my children are having children.. they and my grand babies are also vegan 😊 I did not take any vitamins while pregnant.

[@eliseerickson5994]

Any fitness guy named "Chris" that sells "Six pack secrets" already has about 0.017% credibility

[@ramseydarling]

Wow, Chris Kruger just got destroyed. Literally everything he said was wrong. This was effortless for mic the vegan. Chris Kruger was clearly out classed. I can't wait to see Chris Kruger's rebuttal but he probably won't do one because he will realize that he go owned.

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

He won't realize he got owned. He's not smart enough.

[@ElsjeMassyn]

Amen to that brother!! Chris Kruger should hide for the next year and not appear again until everyone has forgotten his stupidity!!

[@TheInnerCosmos]

That Kruger guy seems a bit slow and incompetent, not to be mean, just being honest

[@fuhkshet9703]

Ramsey D mic looks like a fucking zombie he think he’s right all he wants but he looks like shit like all the other vegans that aren’t cheating 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@RedPillVegan]

@Avery Hill I'll be 100% honest, most of his following doesn't care about this video or about the facts Mic dropped. They'll see a vegan video and not watch it

[@TomVFormOfficial]

Mic, did you just humanely slaughter Mr. Kruger?

[@ispectechular]

HAHAHAHA

[@chathafakap1830]

Im a year late, but this should be the top comment

[@vegaesthenx2091]

LOL “Mic the vegan just gets the facts wrong” That might be the most factually incorrect thing I’ve heard all year😂

[@genericyoutubechannel6180]

Right?! like do you even science/facts/reality =/= feelings. Lol

[@carinaekstrom1]

Yes, apart from "animals don't want to live". That is even more factually incorrect.

[@RabbitFoodFitness]

Mic does an awesome job researching everything!

[@vegmoto]

VegaesthenX seriously. All mic the vegan does is get the facts right. That’s kind of his thing.

[@RabbitFoodFitness]

@@vegmoto It's so awesome! I really aspire to get my channel eventually to his level! But, I am still in school to become a dietitian right now, so it may take a while. [An English degree is useful for formulating arguments but not for helping you understand science. :( ]

[@cvdinjapan7935]

"We have canines! We should eat animals!" "Men have nipples. Should they lactate?"

[@SteelPanda220]

I’m gonna have to steal this comeback.

[@terrorindu]

It's funny because even horses, deer and cows also have canines, should they eat other animals? LMAO

[@rarefied6820]

Brilliant

[@lorihowell1032]

Love this comeback!

[@TheEcono]

​@@terrorinduThat argument might backfire as deer actually do consume meat.

[@carinaekstrom1]

"Animals don't want to live." He must be the only person I've ever heard making this statement. How can anyone take such a person seriously?

[@kelleyking]

Carina Ekström yes, that’s why it’s so easy to kill them. They don’t fight or flee or anything.

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@kelleyking Right. Animals never fight for their life.

[@welcomeback2mychannel]

It’s unfortunately more common than you’d think. I honestly feel if you’re so stupid to believe this, you’d need help crossing the road safely.

[@lukasolsson6205]

The ultimate argument

[@jethrohendrix5091]

Chris Kruger deletes vegan comments off his videos lol

[@lilykoihawaii]

I so enjoy learning from you, Mic. Well done and mahalo for the mention ♥️

[@lilykoihawaii]

And I so feel you on the ridiculous issues that come up when filming 🤣 Way to persevere!

[@betsysmith9176]

I have a veganic permaculture garden here in Germany, and it's going great. I have no problem at all, even with this really wild weather the last few years. :) And yes, in Germany, doctors are encouraging of a vegan diet. I am pregnant (third trimester) and my doctor was very happy that I am vegan, and gave me three separate government packets urging women to REDUCE their animal protein consumption. Also, with all the issues surrounding climate change, even older generations here are beginning to realise the importance of switching to a plant based diet. Veganism in Germany is more accessible and acceptable than it is in the States. It's so normal. Don't let people scare you! Come to Germany, eat some tasty great vegan food, and be socially accepted. :)

[@staicy]

Wow, I am also from Germany, I don't see the same support you are talking about :D do you live in Berlin? There it might be different. My gynacologist was very sceptical and was just accepting me being vegan because I am a certified vegan nutritionist. Especially the social pressure is really annoying in my opinion.

[@betsysmith9176]

@@staicy Wow, I really haven't experienced that. No, I don't live in Berlin at all. I live in a village an hour outside of Köln called Ründeroth. It's really too bad you don't feel supported. If you need a vegan friend you can check me out on Instagram at Bermuda.Sans. At the very least, we can be here for each other. :)

[@hoke8778]

I wish I felt as supported as you do. I live in Germany as well and all I hear is "but what do you eat?", "veganism is dangerous" "where do you get your protein?", "that's not for me". I feel like people here have a very different view on diet, it's all about appeal to tradition. And the fact that the DGE gets it all wrong is not helpful either. I think if fortified foods were more common here, people wouldn't be so afraid of veganism. Oh well I'm depressed :/

[@staicy]

@@betsysmith9176 Hey, unfortunately I am not on social media (except for KZbin), but thank you =) don't worry about me, I have a lot of support by my vegan husband =)

[@jaymiddleton1782]

I love Germany, I go to stay in Berlin every few years (I like checking in on the film museum and seeing how it’s developed). If there’s one thing I’ve noticed about the Germans is that meat is a serious part of the cuisine. I think Germans in general may struggle with veganism. Then again the young people of Berlin are the exact type of people who would be vegan.

[@ImmortalLoveist]

I was pregnant and vegan, and my baby is perfectly healthy, so definitely safe at all stages of life 🌾♥️

[@frankp.3197]

You think that now. My sister thought the same thing. Did you know that you brain doubles in weight the first 2 years of your life, and that your brain is made of fat. At 17 months old her daughter started having seizures, started with a couple a week, then sometimes multiple seizures a day. She tried to tell everyone in the family it was something else, but I was there when she was with the doctor. He told her because of the lack of fat in the babies diet, her brain was not forming correctly and specifically told her that if she didn't either feed the baby a formula, breast milk, or animal milk, he would be forced to call DCF for child abuse. Neveah is 8 years old now. Unfortunately those early days of living on rice and almond milk already did the damage though. No one in our family has had ADD or diabetes, she has both. She's has also become allergic to half the veggies my sister has fed her, her entire life. I would also like to point out that my sister over the last 14 years as a vegan is not the same person she used to be. I have no idea if being vegan is good as an adult, looking at the results of it after 14 years with my sister, I would say no but maybe she's doing it wrong. But she most definitely fucked her kid up in multiple ways, even if she say's that had nothing to do with it, like I said, I was there the day the doctor gave you her the run down on how fucked up she made her kid.

[@caramelcupcake1275]

@@frankp.3197 why tf did your sis not breastfeed her baby? Stupidity isn't the fault of veganism. My vegan friend breastfed her son for 2 years, and he ate lots of avocado and nuts and was by far one of the chunkiest babies I ever saw. Lots of healthy fats in his diet and my friend didn't over do it on the vegies. He's 10 now, still vegan and is thriving. He eats tons of healthy fats, legumes, whole grains, tofu and seitan and whatever vegan foods he wants without being low fat/carb and all that nonsense Just cause your sis was a nutcase and didn't even have the basic knowledge to breastfeed, that don't mean normal ppl with basic common sense are also gonna f up

[@caramelcupcake1275]

@no name fool so sad you think a stupid, nutcase vegan somehow represents all vegans 🙄 fyi, a raw vegan diet isn't representative of what the actual vegan diet is. What you saw is kids raised on raw vegan diet with no protein, you haven't seen a proper vegan child who eats tons of protein and cooked food and high calories. You just seen the extreme vegan cases of malnutrition and think all vegan parents feed their kids salads and nothing else. You're wrong. And vegan breast milk isn't low quality. Animals don't provide essential nutrients to breast milk that you can't get from plants.... You don't know what you're talking about and it's obvious you're just bashing on veganism without any research cause you're mad at vegans for being controlling/rude to meat-eaters. It's ok to be mad, but don't say things that are false

[@dieabsolutegluckskuche5174]

@no name fool i'm a certified health caretaker (don't know how to call it in english, it's not my main language) so I studied "normal" nutrition. In all stages of live a vegan diet can be great, if you do it correctly (Not that hard, i mean there are good apps today). If a kid has diabetes it is 99,999% diabetes type 1 and this type of diabetes is caused by genes. Not by nutrition. Why i see hundreds of comments like your one and i didn't learned anything about the thousands malnourished vegan kids? There are more than 20.000 plants we can eat. Show me the one thing in meat which one you cant get from plants. (ahm something we need, something that is essential)

[@amiraabdelkader2751]

@no name fool lol your the one that came here

[@Exalted_in_Venus]

Thank you for your continued hard work and logic! Your deserve so many more subscribers

[@Nitiiii11]

Think about it. Despite all the breaking bones from calcium deficiency, feeble muscles from protein deficiency, non-functional brain from B12 deficiency, rotting teeth and blood in his stool, he still manages to do all these videos. He must be some kind of super hero.

[@rav_666_]

It always cracks me up when bro fitness meat dudes link stuff from bodybuilding sites or other sites that aren't legit scientific studies 😂

[@Redhotquagmire]

BRO, bro, check out this science, bro. Bro.. dude, like, it's got so much, like, information and stuff in it, ya know? Like... bro! And dude, check this out, bro, are you checking this out? Bro dude, look at this... it's even got graphs. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@lastlime3792]

You blind? Mic used questionnaires 🤡

[@emilychristie6164]

You're an asset to the vegan community Mic, as always love hearing your educated opinion

[@mikeskylark1594]

Hell yeah he is. :)

[@lastlime3792]

@@mikeskylark1594how many insects/animals/bugs/birds....have you killed based on the amount of plant agriculture you use? 10 years is roughly 100 animals you killed preventing them from eating your food/destroying their habitats to build more farms and toxic water table/land with insecticides herbicides.

[@mikeskylark1594]

@@lastlime3792 I am fully aware of the damage that our modern lives cause to habitats and varioua animals living inside them... That's why I'm not only vegan, but also minimalist, low waste, second hand and most importantly will NOT procreate new humans!

[@lastlime3792]

@@PushinButtons. your argument is to us animal lands to plant more vegan farms. I eat mostly grass and foraged animals👓. Your argument is for killing animals and not eating them and taking over the land for corporations. If everyone shifted to grazed animal based then chemicals/toxins/carbon/cancers/heart disease/depression/plastics would be reduced by 80% and the world would be a better place(but you don’t want that).

[@codoroi]

Why ppl trynna stop us from saving the animals, our health, and the planet tho?? 😤

[@lc8358]

It's almost like a cult.

[@g4training]

That guy was no match for Mic. It's a case of bro science verses real science. Thank you Mic.

[@MrCasti-tr6co]

@@gumzster where are the facts?

[@HDvids101]

@@gumzster Epidemiological studies aren't science to follow if you are really truthful.

[@adiohead]

@@HDvids101 "Epidemiological studies aren't science", Yes they are, they literally are. Neu5Gc, heme, TMAO, saturated fat, trans fat, cholesterol, IGF-1, etc.

[@papparocket]

HDvids101 Epidemiological studies are a key part of science. They are where hypotheses are generated, you know like “if bovine breast milk is key to human bone health, why does osteoporosis rates increase with increasing breast milk consumption?” Then real science goes on to explore this question.

[@AC-qc2pm]

HDvids101 epidemiology is the same method we use to determine the dangers of smoking - I guess it’s safe to take that habit up because we have no science?

[@ApexHerbivore]

He thinks deer are killed during harvest???!!! 😂😂 I can't get closer than about 50m from a deer in the wild without it hearing or smelling me and disappearing into the wilderness, but he thinks a 50 tonne harvester can sneak up on them 😂🤣😂 sure dude, sure.

[@riverland5264]

We have a colon the size of a pinkie?😂😂 credibility of this man 0.0000.

[@bradmolyneaux5883]

Lol! He is literally a tight ass. If he is making that argument based off his movements he could have some health problems though. So I'm concerned about him.

[@somedude172]

i audibly laughed when he said that. literally what the hell made him think that lmaooo

[@mirashadowdance]

Wondering what it’s like when he goes to the bathroom. Like, is he there for hours because it comes out as rabbit pellets lol

[@matthewocean1988]

My large vegan poops determine, that was a lie. 😂😂

[@MictheVegan]

In retrospect I think he was trying to reference our appendix but still.

[@blondey3261]

Mic you could make a "Why I quit the omnivore diet" video! 😂😂🙏😂😂 👏👏👏

[@Limaduce]

@14:40. I failed at a diet once. The Standard American Diet. That's why I quit. I'm not SAD anymore. I'm feeling better than ever now. #govegan

[@craggerrs]

I ate the wholefoods plant based diet and it trashed my digestion causing me a whole host of serious other issues

[@StefaneJaspering]

Lisa DuCette me too girl! Woohooooo!

[@pinhead42]

@@craggerrs do you have crohns disease? Cause thats probably why you were trashed.

[@craggerrs]

@@pinhead42 - dude, some people just really struggle to digest insoluble fibre (I would argue most but we don't have enough data yet) - I am one of those people. I don't have Crohns disease

[@agnichatian]

@@craggerrs It takes time for the digestive system to switch over (enzymes etc).

[@TomVFormOfficial]

Love it when debunkers get debunked. Nice job Mic! 🌱💪🏼

[@Lynnie17196]

Can you come and 'debunk' my family sometime?! So sick of endlessly defending veganism to them. You're so great. I appreciate you.

[@MictheVegan]

Lyndall Wennekes yeah I’ll just hide in the pantry and next time they come I’ll pounce 😂

[@Louie9000]

@@maefox1997 you should use a site called cronometer, you put into it what food you've ate and it will tell you which nutrients you've got and which you need to eat more of.

[@Kiyarose3999]

Just tell them that the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, says ‘A Vegan diet is suitable for all stages of life including pregnancy’’. Also that there’s been healthy Vegans in UK for 80 years, many of whom now have Vegan grandchildren etc, so several generations of healthy Vegans from the first pioneers!

[@Sarahizahhsum]

You don't need to defend the truth. It shows some insecurity somewhere in there. I know how hard that is though. Not passing judgement, it isn't good or bad.

[@lastlime3792]

@@Kiyarose3999 all stages...mic killed his kid with that false logic.....no joke.

[@runareinert325]

I'm glad you are a voice for the animals. We really need intelligent people that are educated about nutrition and wellspoken to get these messages out. Thank You

[@christiancampbell8252]

For a vegan you sure do slaughter a lot of meat eaters 😂 Huge fan love the videos!

[@melsiemac2183]

just remember by this guys standards if you stop him being able to talk its ok to kill him , what bullshit he comes out with

[@melsiemac2183]

Jake S the guy who tried debunking him and failed ! I just reworded mic the vegans response to him in this comment

[@PercivalBlakeney]

@Christian Campbell That's very naughty... true though. :-)

[@jethrohendrix5091]

Chris Kruger deletes vegan comments off his videos lol

[@araimm227]

And he does it “humanly”

[@0wnuquik]

Thank you for being so smart and well spoken. You represent us so well.

[@VegAnimation]

"I need to cite sources to look credible.... *inserts Wikipedia article* ... Perfect!" Also, it's funny to see the _"53% of People that give up meat go back to eating meat within a year, 84% overall"_ thing there. Mic did a guest voice-over on one of my animations about that exact topic a few months ago :D

[@80slimshadys]

Let's go edit that wiki page so he looks like a dickhead

[@RabbitFoodFitness]

That is awesome that mic the vegan was on your show!

[@KellG369]

Love your work man!

[@Bludaizee3]

@@80slimshadys Omg, please do! Lmao

[@sune7678]

My favourite source of his is a search for Lion King 2019 on youtube

[@kathrynstiles3509]

On a deserted Island. Lot's of cows here. No clue how to begin eating them. They keep nuzzling me and enjoy having their ears scratched. These cows bear no resemblance to the packages of meat I am used to seeing wrapped up in plastic.

[@266shango]

Vegans: "We want to promote empathy, kindness, well-being and health for all living beings on Earth." Carnists: "Clearly this is something that must be argued against." What is the logic here? Why not start "debunking" people who are against human trafficking or pedophilia while they're at it?

[@kelseyyrenee]

Liz I think it’s a cognitive dissonance thing. They’re mad because vegans are a reminder that despite what they’ve been taught, they could stand to reevaluate their morals and stop putting their health and the environment at risk for ego and short term satisfaction.

[@senfglas214]

Please watch epitome of malnourishment 5, yes even the WFPB vegans that do everything right are in there

[@Strawberrypocky911]

More idiots in the world than smart people. 😑😓

[@m3offixial]

@@Strawberrypocky911 true i wonder when the next genius can revolutionise the world... If Humans didnt require food and never starved then there wouldnt be any need for killing raising or producing food

[@cynicalidealist11]

@@senfglas214 Please go through all of these and then come back to me - www.forksoverknives.com/category/success-stories/# nutritionstudies.org/topics/success-stories/ If you want to see malnourished people, go to your local hospital where you'll find meat, dairy and egg eating people with clogged arteries.

[@incaseofrain8812]

Im still waiting for your “acne despite veganism and what you can do” video and would also LOVE to see a video on Hormones and veganism, you have them spread out across many videos but all in one for easy reference would be amazing! Great video debunking a debunk 🙌🏻

[@msleighfawnduh]

I love being a SMUG, factual, logical, scientifically-backed VEGAN!

[@angelaisacliche]

Some people will say it's fortified foods but it's really the smugness that prevents B12 deficiency.

[@msleighfawnduh]

@@angelaisacliche I def feel fortified with B12 smugness

[@angelaisacliche]

@@msleighfawnduh Lol!

[@nancywhite3212]

I think smugness doesn't help much, but factual, logical, science-based definitely does. I have to admit I did ask a horse-riding, horse-loving, dog-owner friend - as she was eating bbq ribs - why don't you eat horse meat? Would that be ok? I felt horrible later thinking about it, but actually, I think it did maybe get through to her. But I still feel horrible I said it. But that's just me.

[@graspingfagin]

Smugness is an appropriate psychological reaction to being better than 95% of the human race. Now let's all gingerly touch our tips

[@VirtueMastery]

I am so glad you did a video on this guy. I asked you to a while back because he is so deeply frustrating... thanks.

[@tedcoombs7762]

*someone tries to debunk mic the vegan* THIS IS GONNA BE FUN

[@_observer796]

xD

[@tedcoombs7762]

Little Observer rookie mistake heh

[@Strawberrypocky911]

Chris got PWNED!! 😄👍

[@tedcoombs7762]

Strawberrypocky911 yep

[@JDuke-uw3fk]

Mic, i cant tell you how thankful I am that you made this thorough response video. I actually engaged Chris Kruger a few months back in one of his own videos, in which he stated that "Blue Zones" communities like the Okinawans and Adventists feast on meat. I corrected him with a series of links and references, and after 4 or 5 comments, he realized I wasnt going to back down, so he deleted my comment thread and blocked me. He didnt want his disciples to see the truth. Thanks again!

[@wholefoodplantbasedmama5398]

He is obviously not intelligent. Don’t waste your time Love your channel.

[@Booxeen]

Yes, but It is harmful when people actually believe The unintelligent man... 🤔

[@azores15]

I doubt Kruger is unintelligent. He's just trying to make money on KZbin by appealing to people who actually are.

[@kbkesq]

Booxeen nobody would know who he is without response video. I certain never heard of him or Shawn baker before Mic featured them.

[@MrNioMoon]

Yeah, he's dumb as fuck.

[@Kiyarose3999]

Whole Food Plant Based Mama But unfortunately if you look at the many comments to some of these deniers( whether it’s Veganism, Climate change or the Jew Holocaust), they get lots of supporting comments and ‘likes’. I don’t know if it’s the case with this guy, I expect it is, so those people need to hear the truth, so as tedious as it is to have to intelligently challenge these people, it needs to be done, even if only for those who watch the misinformation and believe cos it suits them not having to change!. What I find is these deniers are often very slippery and as soon as you prove them wrong they slip onto some other equally irritatingly absurd ‘argument’. Without even acknowledging let alone conceding the last point, so now I’m strict with these people I tell them straight, i won’t move onto another ‘point’ till the last one has been acknowledged and or conceded to. I’m not running around after a slippery ‘debater’ anymore!

[@jessicagorski8460]

I was whole-food vegan for 2.5 years and started dating a vegetarian...cheese is so addictive ☹️. I’m trying to get back to it as I felt so light and beautiful (like glowing skin) and never got sick, had so much energy, my knee injury from 5 years earlier healed and I was prepared to deal with that chronic pain for the rest of my life, and I was taken off my depression/anxiety meds ❤️ Social pressure to conform is super intense...with some people it can be a fight every time even though you bring your own food (enough to share) and don’t try to talk about it. I need more vegan friends I think

[@terrorindu]

I believe in you :) It's been 3 years though how are you now?

[@Redhotquagmire]

If you're constantly around people where the only way to make it through the day with them is to just completely avoid talking about veganism or animal rights, then there is something deeply fundamentally wrong with that situation. Especially when corpses literally sit lying there on their plates. Don't let anyone ever make you feel like you can't/shouldn't talk about something, especially if it's something you're passionate about. Animal lives > fake people, any day of the week. ☮️💖🌱

[@lastlime3792]

You body is craving those fat soluble nutrients....

[@RawSpirit]

I wonder how you can still take such people seriously 🙏 Great Job!

[@realjayjobes1849]

I don’t think babies can comprehend death

[@starsaligninthesky]

So sad you have to spend your great energy debunking the debunkers. You have so much more to offer than having to defend veganism. Kudos to you Mic!

[@catsforever4258]

Im glad that he does, though. It helps other vegans navigate through the bs people throw at us.

[@lastlime3792]

Defend? Sell propaganda to people that love large corporations.

[@RabbitFoodFitness]

Thank you so much for the awesome video!! I love it when you do this sort of thing.

[@melanie-rosannastevens7861]

Mic, I applaud you for your ability to remain calm and facts-focused (and a little smug 😂😉) in the face of this insanity Keep doing what you're doing!

[@jlv-zb8pk]

This video was amazing. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - KZbin is so fortunate to have a science-based, level-headed vegan like you! Thanks for all you do!!

[@lastlime3792]

Questionnaires are not very scientific....then again you believe science is people telling you to not question.

[@MonaMinetteAnimation]

I don't comment often, but feel like thanking you today. So thank you Mic! You're amazing and your videos are so damn helpful.

[@MictheVegan]

2-Minette Noodles thanks for the kind words noodles.

[@luckyrock00]

So much articulated gold here! Keep b!tch slapping all the haters Mic!

[@HenchHerbivore]

Much needed and nicely done sir! 👏

[@craggerrs]

are steroids vegan? Is backstabbing vegan? You used to be friends with Tim Shieff and now you treat him like dirt while you promote the clothing brand that he helped to create - unbelievable stuff mate

[@stevemsmith1]

@@craggerrs Tim Shieff has shown himself up, I don't think Paul had much to do with it, just watch the London Real vids and some of the recent flat earth TV appearances. Tim stepped away from Ethcs before Paul was asked. Anyone can be an affiliate for them.

[@someguy2249]

@@craggerrs and yes, steroids are vegan.

[@craggerrs]

@@stevemsmith1 I know all that but none of it excuses throwing someone under the bus like the community has done with Tim. The guy had legitimate health concerns MUCH LIKE SO MANY OTHERS (including myself) and so the vegan community will predate upon all your perceived weaknesses to hang, draw and quarter when you no longer nod and agree. Paul has been the epitome of this spineless ilk. Constantly talking about ex-vegans as if they're some inferior race when in actual fact many of them almost damaged their bodies beyond repair trying to make the diet work. Not to mention the fact that he's admitted to taking steroids, deleted the comments and now brags about his big vegan muscles completely unironically - I honestly want the best for him but spreading misinfo on nutrition and peoples experience with veganism is a danger to everyone - facts don't care about your fragile state of mind Paul.

[@craggerrs]

@@someguy2249 wonder why he's so shady about it then ...

[@Yecobb]

Thank you for standing up for our community and doing your best to make sure misinformation isn't spread. I always find this kind of stuff so infuriating. I wish there weren't so many people out there perpetuating bad stereotypes about veganism/vegans. Appreciate you and your channel Mic, keep it up!

[@Microfire69]

The guy isn't even original about where he gets his arguments,, they're straight out of Frank Tufano's mouth.

[@meatgoggles8149]

Peeve Me i actually start laughing when people say his name, the dude is an asset to the vegan movement

[@GinkoLinne]

You must've meant TofuNo, no?

[@RabbitFoodFitness]

Seriously. Frank Tufano is so mean! I was commenting on a different video recently and one of his previous followers came on and said that he streight up told him that the reason why he does not have more followers is because he makes fun of everyone. Then he came on and denied it. I really don't trust anything he says.

[@arkofthesea]

Peeve Me Frank tufano’s well nourished mouth.

[@RabbitFoodFitness]

@Poison Ivy I don't even know.

[@spiral-m]

The head of the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Ernährung admitted recently at an international congress for plant-based nutrition in medicine that she was torn between compelling science and lobbyism - basically, they have been lying about categorizing the safety level of a plant-based diet, and “things must change”. I know a doctor who was present.

[@cynicalidealist11]

Omg these meat heads are so clueless. I can't..

[@WhiteKitta]

Omg these meat heads are so clueless".....could not agree more!

[@YupRobin]

They just trying to find an excuse to feel good about themself

[@craggerrs]

many of them used to be vegans so go figure

[@blehblehblehdracula]

Addictions make people seek confirmation that their paranoia is right. >_>

[@craggerrs]

@@blehblehblehdracula - are you going to do something about your oxygen addiction?

[@annavieste7208]

omg I love your patience and thank you for making these vids for us. The absolute crap you have to debunk ,whilst entertaining must be exhausting. So a huge THANK YOU

[@joolzvega7298]

My body fell apart on a meat diet. Now I'm vegan and I'm doing much better.

[@joolzvega7298]

@Jake S I never claimed it to be more than an anecdote. Just going anecdote for anecdote

[@chadmunn7656]

So I’m a paleo diet kinda gal here and just wanted to say I love your channel mic. Lots of great info and I’m open enough to listen. So just wanted to say love the content and keep em coming!

[@plants4ever48]

Kruger is outclassed here on so many levels. What a demolition!!

[@peggybean3256]

Great video. You're absolutely spot on about the consent issue.

[@jadewargo2113]

The whole intelligence thing with animals always gets me. I was at work and this guy asked my why I went vegan and I said ethical and health reasons. Later in the conversation he was like “but what if they don’t know” and I gave testimonies from former slaughter house workers then I asked him “what if I stole $50 dollars a month from you and you didn’t know? Would that make it okay? No it wouldn’t. It’s the same thing with animals”

[@tamcon72]

That's the most frustrating thing about veganism denial: Most omnivores _can't bear_ the thought that their choices are causing horrific pain and emotional suffering to thinking, feeling creatures, so they must deny that the creatures think and feel. It is so much easier to just go vegan, IMO, than to constantly pretend you aren't a monster, but not to these people, I guess.

[@lastlime3792]

You think plants don’t know and don’t want to be eaten👓. You don’t care about animals otherwise why kill animals to plant plant and to stop animals from eating the plants and the use of insecticide/herbicides which kills and hurts human animals and everything else👓

[@lastlime3792]

Animals being killed to grow plants know they are being slayers and tossed in the trash, they know they are being poised by the water and plants drenched in chemicals you say are so healthy. Horrible and far less human way to go than being killed quick and then eaten, imagine being poised so some virtue signaling person can pretend they care about animals or people for that matter.

[@legallyregarded]

You go, girl! ❤

[@lastlime3792]

@AIuzky is amazing the extent animal/human abusers go to to defend doings animal/human abuse. I assume they must feel some guilt but is easier to make excuses than admire they are wrong and keep saying Veganism is healthy,good,moral,better for animals,better for humans,better for the environment while killing humans,killing animals,killing the environment with chemicals and destroying land and environment so they can get that corporate food delivered across the globe to them in a plastic container so they can say look this isn’t an animal and all those animals/bugs/insects/reptiles...that had to die and be thrown in the dumpsters is okay cause I’m vegan🤡

[@tamcon72]

I had to stop eating my brekkie[barley rusks cooked with almond milk and sweetened with sorghum syrup--my iron and copper needs + 1/3 protein intake for the day, sorted] because I kept stopping the spoon halfway to my mouth in disbelief in what fitness trainer dude was saying. None of these people can offer an original, fact-based counter-argument to your assertions; their ideas only work if one denies all established findings of human sciences, from paleontology to biochemistry. Which is insane. All the Omega 3 they are eating from grass-fed/wild-caught fat isn't working! This was a seamless and cogent rebuttal, Mic. TFP!

[@B3anm0m]

This sounds so much like my aunt. I had a ~Facebook argument~ with her about how bad animal ag is for the environment where she claimed rice creates more methane and is a processed food, said the China study was corrupt, said the link between red meat and cancer was “bogus”, you can’t replenish soil nitrogen with plants, and a large number of other laughably incorrect things, didn’t cite any of her sources, unfoundedly criticizes every single study I linked her to and then claimed to be “in regenerative agriculture” when I know for a fact that she’s a stay at home mom. I argued back and forth with her for 4 days before I gave up. I did more research those 4 days than I did in the whole of my college career and she still just refuted everything I said with some ridiculous rebuttal that had no basis in science or facts in general. People will tell themselves anything so they don’t have to change. 🙄

[@nirvedhsutey]

Its always fun when family hits u with these arguments..

[@Kiyarose3999]

Sadie Allman Land Precisely, I regularly have ‘debates’ with people like this guy about Veganism and Climate Change etc, and they use such absurd ‘arguments’. They also keep moving about from one absurd ‘point’ to another without any acknowledgement( let alone concede) of the last proven point!. I decided recently that I’m no longer going to let myself be played like that, and say straight out that I’m not moving to the next ‘point’ till the last has been acknowledged/Conceded.

[@tical713]

@@Kiyarose3999 Yes Thank You! That is so true! They never concede, they just get that look while their mind erases what they've just heard and then they try another argument 😅

[@Caderrrs]

Sadie Allman Land my aunt is this way! She tried to lecture me about how the things that cause obesity are only sugar & soda yet she lives off of TV dinners, beef, & fast food, weighs over 300 pounds, smokes a carton of cigarettes a day, & lost a limb FROM OBESITY. I deleted her off Facebook because I literally could not handle the ignorance🙄

[@neverforgettodofacepulls782]

I feel you. It's the worst having to deal with dietary differences in your FAMILY of all things, especially if they're the ones hurting inside (literally) due to dietary choices.

[@borismondragon7200]

🔥🎶This Mic is on fireeeee🔥🎵 🤣Keep up the awesome work Mic!

[@drunkenneko]

The best part of Mic Debunking his "Debunkers" is I learn more. Thanks for constantly combating misinformation and sharing all the studies in your video description.

[@goldo1107]

He was wring or ommitted there on some of his "facts". I would double check anything anyone ever says. No matter what. But youre a vegan. So i know you wont lol.

[@Redhotquagmire]

​@@goldo1107 Uh-oh guys, this guy's omniscient! He knows what you're going to do/ not do before it even happens! 😂😂😂

[@Redhotquagmire]

​​@@goldo1107 also leave it to the random guy in the comments section to make a claim of him being wrong/ omitting facts on something without citing any sources or bothering to point out at all what information he got wrong / omitted. Of course, that being said, I do agree with you that no matter what ANYONE tells you, you should always double check and cross-verify sources just to make sure you aren't simply taking the advice of some lunatic whackjob. That being said, are you going to cite whichever sources you're referring to that he supposedly got wrong? Ahh, but you're a meat-eater, so I know you won't 😉

[@lastlime3792]

Mic used questionnaires as facts👓🧟‍♀️. Totally not propaganda to mislead people into a one world order agenda. He’s so legit🤑

[@ColeToDiamonds]

Mic, This is my first time ever commenting on a KZbin video! I happened to stumble across your page a couple days ago, and although I wasn’t sure about some of your content at first, your use of many research articles and empirical evidence to refute the other guys claims impressed me. As someone who is attempting to begin transitioning to a vegan diet and trying to find as much unbiased, empirical, and scientifically based information as possible, thank you for being a credible source (from what I’ve seen so far at least). P.S. you gained a subscriber Andrew

[@crazypolishvegan7369]

Haha another meat head is trying to debunk vegan diet 😁 Well done Mic 👏👏👏 Thank you mate for your hard work ❤️ Vegan for life 🌱😍

[@WizzDanvision]

Do more videos like this. Thanks for linking all the studies

[@johnbostrom9165]

The seven stages of grief: shock, denial, anger, bargaining, depression, testing, acceptance. I’d say he’s still in denial., along with a lot of other people.

[@tiffanypetersen7645]

To this day, I'm sure😵

[@tamaranorrish8173]

You can’t finish cattle on grass where I live. Our growing seasons isn’t long enough. They are finished on barley. So if you think your Alberta beef is grass fed you’re sorely mistaken.

[@shaunvorster8944]

Liked the tone of this video, it was relaxed and jovial. Didn’t feel staunch and scripted. Also like the outdoor filming.

[@lindtothesayyy]

I like how Chris is pushing so hard on vegans killing field mice... but earlier he tried to argue killing livestock "is just the circle of life". Which is it bro? At least with us it's unintentional and we don't cause suffering.

[@adamh5963]

I wish I had mic the vegan’s brains when I talk about veganism. He’s soo clever

[@thewizardofodds6839]

He studies this stuff repetitively. Its natural for him. I know you can get to that level. I beleive in you

[@TK-zc5wu]

Me too

[@misakistalker]

he's a salesman he has good comunication skills, he could sell you literally anything, but he's looking so sickly lately I think he shoud stop veganism until it's too late.

[@dorothea4614]

Wow! Thank you! My family and I love to watch your videos, you save us so much time doing research on our own. Yeah, I understand that we should always double-check every information, but for some reason we trust you ... :) Always appreciated!

[@user-ul2cl5wu8m]

”Life demands death” ok dude. What an amazing way of looking at life. 👏🏻

[@MrCasti-tr6co]

Everyone has his own way.

[@craggerrs]

it's a reality check that vegans are in serious need of as they try to prescribe their twisted ideology to others

[@user-ul2cl5wu8m]

craggle lol lol lol

[@craggerrs]

@@user-ul2cl5wu8m - people ruining their health is funny to you

[@user-ul2cl5wu8m]

craggle I went vegan because I had some serious health issues and my doctor didn’t want to prescribe medication because he said that my condition wasn’t bad enough, even though I couldn’t function in my every day life. I went whole food plant based and after 3 months - with following dr Michael Gregers daily dozen, I felt like a new person, I went to my doc to make my every 3 month check up, and he asked me what I had done because my blood samples were Great/NORMAL. For the first time since I was 14 - I’m 26 now, I feel like I can thrive and live the best life possible. And I am not a “crazy vegan” for me it’s all about feeling good and being healthy. You do you, if WFPB is nothing for you, that’s ok too! I think a lot of people just don’t have enough knowledge about what a balanced diet is, no matter if you’re a carnivore or a vegan. Peace out ✌🏼

[@helenndow1101]

Please keep on what you are doing, just looking at your eyes I know you are one of the most honest people on this earth and all the work you do benefits all of us. Thank you so much, bless you.

[@LauraTeAhoWhite]

To have healthy soil you need air, water, organic matter, minerals and microbes. You don't need animals.

[@craggerrs]

my experience and the experience of many others says otherwise - huge numbers of ex-vegans see their health ruined by this fucking diet

[@tamcon72]

@@craggerrs Your experience--which is dubious, as I have mentioned elsewhere--is anecdota. Also, you are not responding to the op's point _at all._ Perhaps you seem dubious to me and aren't posting a relevant response to the op because you are an AI?

[@mkmacabre835]

@@craggerrs #liarliarpantsonfire 🔥

[@craggerrs]

@@tamcon72 yes mate, I'm an AI shilling for the meat industry.

[@craggerrs]

@@davidthescottishvegan - you have fallen for lies of of globalists who want you to sacrifice your personal sovereignty - - a big part of that is taking people's ability to feed themselves away - - i.e. tax meat out of existence (justify it with a faux climate crisis for which there is zero evidence, and fluff it up with some false claims made about plant based diets being so healthy). If we allow them to tax meat out of existence, it will be the worst possible thing for the health of the soil (ruminates are ESSENTIAL for soil regeneration), health of humans (ZERO evidence that plant based diets are suitable long term - - its only vegans and supplement companies making these insane claims) and the health of the environment would only benefit from the end of factory farming rather than the end of animal agriculture altogether.

[@rawintuition]

Glad I have no idea who that guy is. Either just extremely uneducated and misinformed or another morally bankrupt troll. Nice work Mic✌️

[@to819]

There's always new nonsense to debunk.

[@JohnDoe-my8kj]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6KuoYeXbrSbick

[@jimothyus]

Everyone tryna get a slice of the youtube money cake

[@kimberleebrown6853]

Hi from New Zealand! New to Veganism and am learning so much from you. THANK YOU!!!

[@shle20]

God, people like him are so sad. Just by the way he talks you can immediately tell that he's just not very bright.

[@tamcon72]

Dunning Kruger Effect is prevalent on that side.

[@OneiricBlur]

to be fair, i (like most others) was also really dumb when i ate animal products... it really just clogs the IQ there...the fatty liver disease and diabetes from the standard american diet didnt help...

[@June071710]

And he speaks so loudly (with so much aggressiveness)! I can't imagine how anyone can listen to him for more than ten seconds straight.

[@DonFide]

shle20 yes i was thinking the Same. Blut People Talking like that is a sign that they are just making things up of nowhere.

[@izzymurrell8723]

My guy is just a ginger. Anyone would be upset about that

[@user-us1yu8gx9s]

So a toddler cant comprehend death. So is it okay to eat children?

[@sarahichi3998]

Fair Oaks Dairy Farm in Indiana got busted for mistreating cows. Shocking 🙄

[@welcomeback2mychannel]

😮 🤭

[@iferlyf8172]

While harvesting can cause collateral damage, the animals living in fields actually adapt to it and learn to get out of the way (and take their babies with them) when they hear machinery. They also eventually learn what time of the year the machines will pass and prepare in advance. Basically field animals (as well as prey that are being hunted down in nature) have a chance of getting away and survive, farmed animals do not

[@arallskiant9923]

It is frightening how people lack a very basic logic... It is like whatever you say, you could repeat it in different manners 1000times, they would still believe their weird non-sens...

[@cynthiaa2644]

One of your comments really hit home for me when you were discussing the former vegans who stopped being vegan because of their meat-eating boyfriends. I was pesco-vegetarian, eating fish maybe once a week, but consuming a diet that was approx. 85-90% vegan. I was slim and healthy with a cholesterol level around 160. At 47 years of age, I was 5'2" and around 120 lbs. Within three years of getting together with my meat-eating boyfriend and eating animal flesh about 3 times a week, I had gained 30 pounds and my cholesterol was over 200 for the first time in my life. I had much more body pain. I was used to feeling and looking much younger than my age, but that totally changed. My boyfriend actually apologized for ruining my health. I found nutritionfacts.org and your site, and decided it was time to reclaim my life. I have now been eating a whole-food, plant-based diet for two weeks. (My boyfriend is trying to do the same, but sneaks in the non-vegan food during the day at work.) Happily, I have started losing weight and I anticipate getting back to my former good health (or being even healthier as I am no longer including dairy, eggs, fish, or seafood in my diet.) Thank you for making your videos - they are very inspirational! You are creating positive change in the world!

[@santiagohardy2728]

The disconnect with kruger is REAL.

[@signmeupruss]

I grew up on and around farms. Never saw animals that had been caught up in harvested grains or hay or straw. When farm equipment is on the move, animals which can get out of the way, do get out of the way.

[@mufinmakesmusic1210]

It's hard to argue with science.. It's science people, we're handing you the truth, just try to take it.

[@joe_laird]

Vegans are people who accepted the truth and changed. Carnists are people whi either arent educated fully, or cant handle the truth/ are too selfish to change.

[@helderfaria7689]

Great response, greetings from Portugal. 🇵🇹

[@bz2unow]

You ROCK MIC!! That dude is pathetic to use zero cited factual information. Your higher education is evident!

[@ir8294]

You are absolutely correct on everything!! Good job!!! Pls , keep making these videos, they do help!!!!

[@Microfire69]

He puts the kruger in dunning kruger

[@leonardodavinci7425]

LOL

[@80slimshadys]

Very underrated comment

[@leonardodavinci7425]

@@80slimshadys yes definitely

[@Samsona75]

Love 💕

[@jeffreypenney3327]

Thanks Mic! That was extremely entertaining to watch someone be so wrong and factually inaccurate. I hold a degree in Nutrition & Dietetics and have done University level research, I appreciate all the nutrition and biology science research that you do! A vegan diet is nutritionally superior and is our evolutionary biological diet.

[@lastlime3792]

Tell that to mics dead kid...vegan diet isn’t legit. If plants are so bioavailable then why is “meat” so much more bioavailable🙄 is meat isn’t right🤖.

[@VeganBrainFood]

Despite this man's trolling, this will always and forever be my version of the vegan emoji: 🌿🦏🦍🐘🌿 Glad to see you enjoying the fresh air, Great Lakes Vegans represent, 👊 from Toronto :)

[@RedPillVegan]

Upvoted for your activism, your choice to use your voice

[@MrJSheppy16]

Go Raps! First step, resign Kawhi. Second step, make him go Vegan!

[@realjayjobes1849]

Literally a person chooses to go vegan out of having enough excess to then realize the choice of wether or not to continue to cause unnecessary harm. So, a vegans choices when stranded without resources are irrelevant. It’s not a deep philosophical question. It’s dumb.

[@Limaduce]

I would love to see a video on WHEY and why it's in every product on the shelves. I know what WHEY is, but it would be great if you made the video--your channel is one of the very few that I click the bell for. Keep up the good work. Always entertaining and informative. Loving it!

[@MrCasti-tr6co]

Like more other ingrediënt... Why is there soy, wheat, and so on in many products...

[@drunkvegangal8089]

Would be good to have Mike deliver the facts!I always thought that whey is in so many foods because there's so much of it left over after cheese making - just a cheap filler food. High in some amino acids (protein). Reminds me of lard in the 70s and 80s; it was in everything cause it was so inexpensive. Still in most commercial soaps as tallowate. Then, when low-fat diets became a trend manufacturers removed fats and put in sugar as a filler.

[@Mrm1985100]

It's a by-product of the dairy industry and they don't know what to do with it......

[@MrCasti-tr6co]

@@Mrm1985100 what about soy, wheat,...?

[@Mrm1985100]

@@MrCasti-tr6co what's that go to do with Whey? A lot of the big monocultures of soy and wheat grown is for animal-feed.

[@ShehanWicks]

Thank you for such an in-depth comeback to this KZbinr. I applaud your thoroughness.

[@asharflo]

If animals weren't concerned about keeping themselves alive, they'd be pretty poor passers on of their DNA. Derp.

I wonder why he believes that non-human animals are programmed to survive and pass their genes to the following generations but humans somehow are not.

[@Kat-is3nm]

Also, if animals don't want to live, why do they instinctively run away from danger?

[@tonja4824]

Another great video Mic. Thanks for taking the time to debunk your debunker. This guy seems to be captain of the Feel-Good-About-Your-Bad-Habits Brigade.

[@lydiadewet02]

I really like you Mike before this video Mic.. But man, after you said guanope, I think I'm in love

[@TheAfricanGrey]

Me too 😍

[@stressedkitty]

I think the biggest difference between vegans and carnists in these discussions is that vegans actually have studied and informed themselves whilst carnists think they already know everything cause they're just going with the flow and the flow tells them this is right.

[@foxdylan9536]

It's such a shame when people try to distort facts to support their arguments.

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

I was in discussion with someone desperately trying to justify hunting as being better than veganism. Turns out that it costs 1.56 deaths per million calories for grain, compared to 5 deaths per million calories for wild pigs. So no, hunting is not better.

[@tedcoombs7762]

The grass fed beef thing is a straight up false-equivalency fallacy anyway, they're comparing the worst type of plant agriculture to the best type of animal agriculture.

[@therealjayda]

I’d love to see Chris stumble through a reply to this video 😂😂 keep up the good work, friend!!!