My View On Cables - Let's Talk EP. 13

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[@iowaudioreviews]

I've tried many cables over the years some in the hundreds of dollars. In my experience they really have never made a solid decernable difference for me over just a good quality affordable cable. BUT sometimes I don't mind paying a little more for a nice looking and feeling cable. I think many of us want our system to look and sound nice, so I get why some people will spend more for a cable by just the way it looks. I've done the same thing when building custom PC's and I'm working towards a particular theme. Great video Josh!

[@SussyBaka-em9rq]

This. Many people in this comment section are deluded into thinking they change sound, so nice to see a voice of reason I agree with. I love my KBear and Tripowin cables! Have some NiceHCK on the way as well.

[@markvidal7836]

Hey man i just wanted to say thank you. Your videos are simply so solid. Your channel has become my go to channel overnight for certain tech and the material you produce is flat out quality. So thank you.

[@JoshuaValour]

Thanks Mark :)

[@MomentsOfReflection2023]

I agree with you so much, a while back I watched a video and he is so on point I just listen to him for anything now.

[@forthosewhodare7325]

There was a million challenge back in 2016 on a $200k audio system. And they test out each cable, like the USB cable, power cable, speaker cable and swap out each one independently with a coat hanger. Nobody could pick out the high end cable to the coat hanger.

[@holymolythejabroni9040]

The high end audio industry is a lot like high end wine, and equally full of shit.

[@richardle9154]

There was a blind study with coke and Pepsi, and people chose Coke more. But I like Pepsi better!

[@Yamooon]

@@richardle9154 It was More Complex Than That Actually. In the Study They Found That People Enjoy the First sip of Pepsi Better than Coke But Enjoyed The Full Experience Of Drinking an Entire Coke More Than Pepsi.

[@one-rv2bx]

How the fuck are you going to do lines of Pepsi, what a stupid study!

[@DickDebonaire]

I once spliced the chrome bumper of a 1969 Buick Electra 225 into a 30 ft long $1,000 interconnect cable and it actually sounded better. Can't remember if it was the front bumper or rear bumper so I may need to start over

[@DMS3TV]

Cables only make a sound difference if they have a connection issue or (for some reason) offer significant resistance). Good video. Custom cables are really nice though because they usually last a long time.

[@markeastman8494]

I agree and will add one more area that can matter - shielding. Definitely of concern for very low signal levels like microphones and guitars. Interconnects and headphones? Not so sure, but I can't rule it out.

[@nimapanahi5397]

LQi cables are nice. I own a lot of cables because look matters to me from HP to AMP DAC etc. BUT I have had some of them tear off their sleeves. Now, I use my cables A TON, but I am guessing their quality control shows a little flaw when that happens.

[@MunroB0T]

I work for a massively high end audio and visual retailer and cables absolutely do matter. Now level of cable def relies on level of equipment. There is a certain level of if your equipment isnt able to show the benefits of the more expensive cable, then by all means dont buy the expensive cable. But if you have a pair of $60k speakers and you're not using the proper wiring, why did you even buy those speakers. I've literally sat through hundreds of listen ins form different cable companies and you can easily hear the difference. I've heard a flac player plugged into a marantz avr that was then plugged into a pair of I believe B&W 7 series. Great speaker cable being used between the avr and speakers of course. Only thing that changed was the interconnect between source and avr. $20 cable al the way up to a $500 cable. Same song, same section played every time. You heard the difference every step. I'll never forget that class. Made me a believer of the cables make a difference.

[@allansh828]

USB cable, interconnect, power cord, they all make very significant difference. IMO, a poorly matched cable can ruin an entire system.

[@23288442]

Cable matters when using it for a long run (50m and above) and using in a commercial space which cable are constantly twisted and maybe stepped on. The shielding protect the signal from external interference. The build quality make the cable last long and not breaking internally that can cause some issue on signal. And the capacitance of cable effects the potential signal lost during a longer cable run. Realistically, any cable from those reputable manufacturers like Mogami or Canare provides cables will provide frequency response all the way flat from 20~20k and above. The only circumstances I hear audible difference is when I run an above 50 meters cable and sometimes with multiple connectors in between. That’s why all the records are made using those reputable cables and they DO NOT cause you a stupid amount of money. Btw I work in both recording and audio visual and I have access to Audio Engineer Society E-Library that has a bunch of research papers that can prove my point.

[@dizzylizzy2851]

I’m from Australia. I use Aurealis spkr & interconnects made by a guy at Brisbane. These are very good quality for a reasonable price. I can definitely tell the difference between cables, including different Aurealis ones. Because he posts out different cables to try, it’s easy to compare them in my system. I’m sure there’s other quality/value cables out there, but keep within a system related budget and avoid gimmicks. Like your channel, thanks 🙏

[@guillaumesandmayer7053]

After working in the audiophile space for over 7 years or so, it depends on the gear - some headphones seem to scale, and others less so. Maybe not all owners will agree, but the HD650 is a very capable headphone that comes stock with a very average shady cable. Cheap and fragile and in my time, I never met an owner of said headphone or skeptic who after trying a Furutech, Nordost, Cardas etc replacement on that Sennheiser who wanted to run back to the OEM factory cable - that headphone is an extreme example of trying to show that a headphone cable upgrade can make a discernible difference. This though, being entirely dependent on how high end the accompanying source and matching amplifier happens to be in question. A HD650 pricey cable upgrade on a lowly DAC/Amp is silly business..

[@mainetomass99]

No. There is no discernible audio difference in cables. Better cables may look and feel better and they may be built better from a durability standpoint, not an audio quality one. That’s it. Hard stop. This has been proven scientifically over and over again.

[@guillaumesandmayer7053]

@@mainetomass99 Your opinion is very much respected, but I'll guarantee you this. 100 per cent. You've never tried a ridiculously expensive cable upgrade. Not saying it makes sense for the money but given high end components - it does not sound the same. Game on.

[@RefrigeratedTP]

Periapt is just so good. The price is perfect for what you get. I use them for every headphone I buy.

[@SussyBaka-em9rq]

Nice cans!

[@a2raya772]

from what i read on allot of feedback on replacing headphones cables. the high end ones actually do make a difference.. over the stock ones. they give a better sound stage, better bass and more headroom on volume.

[@picklesandufos7860]

Yes, cables do make a difference, as just one example shows you here: www.moon-audio.com/silver-dragon-headphone-cable-v3.html Let's clear up something though. Cables don't ADD sound, they allow more of it to come through. Stock cables are just meant to do a basic job, but not particularly well. It's a mass produced thing just meant to work ok. Most people don't care, and won't notice. It's a McDonalds hamburger. It's ok. Higher end cables allow more of the quality/nuance to come through your electronics and make it to your headphones to be delivered to your ear. Like a high quality $100 meal. .........However.......... whether or not you will HEAR the difference when adding a high quality cable depends on the quality of your other components. If your other cables, dac, amp, headphones are just meh, just ok, then you're not going to experience much of a difference. If you already have a high quality audiophile system, and you buy a headphone, then replacing that stock cable with a great cable, then you're going to hear a difference. Visual way to look at it: A live performance of people playing on actual instruments is like standing at the Grand Canyon and looking at it with your eyes themselves. It doesn't get any clearer than that. What audio is........is panes of glass that you're looking through and there's the Grand Canyon on the other side. So here's the list of audio panes of glass: 1) how clean your power is coming into everything 2) how good your source is 3) your cable going from source to your dac 4) how good your dac is 5) cable from dac to amp 6) how good your amp is 7) the cable from amp to your headphones 8) how good the headphones are That's 8 panes of glass looking out at the Grand Canyon. Each one of these is going to dirty your view of the Grand Canyon if it's not good enough. Well if your system is crap, and you replace window 7 with a better cable..........well that's only improving 1 pane of the glass. It'll help a little, but not much, so you'll call cables "snake oil" If you have a top quality audiophile system where your panes of glass are really super clear, you buy a headphone, and your stock number 7 window is just ok. Well if you replace that window with a great clear window, then you're going to hear that difference a lot better. This is WHY you have some people saying cables make no difference, and others that hear the difference.

[@killerra]

I'm sorry but this is nonsense. Allow MORE sound to come through? Please stop, it's pure snakeoil. There is always some qualifier for why only the chosen few can actually hear the difference, it's in reality just the way you convince yourself the difference is there. If cables altered frequency response we'd have measured it by now. It's that simple.

[@Fatih-xl7yn]

There is a good topic on audiosciencereview, and all measurements show, that there is absolutely no audible difference with fancy cables.

[@antoinep9733]

I’m not dissing Periapt (they seem like stand-up guys), but it’s worth their while to establish relationships with up-and-coming reviewers (influencers?) like yourself. It’s good PR, and effective marketing, at almost no cost to them. Without their inclusion on Zs channel I would never have heard of the brand, and I’ll certainly consider them when upgrading my gear.

[@andtothewestamerica]

Yeah, it's a little strange to say that they wouldn't gain from giving you a cable when you then produce advertising for them. I've also never heard of them apart from this video. Otherwise, I appreciate your genuine sentiment.

[@belld001]

My first audiophile cable was the Cardas Hexlink 5, that I used with my Mirage M750. The difference literally blew me way. Since then I have been a true believer in audiophile cables. After years of trying different cables, I came to the conclusion that the difference you are getting depending on the quality of the stock cables. I bought a Corpse cable when my He400i cable fell apart (literally) years ago, and the difference is quite obvious. Recently I bought a Black Dragon for my LCD-X just as a backup, and to my surprise, it sounded a lot worse...

[@23288442]

Cable matters when using it for a long run (50m and above) and using in a commercial space which cable are constantly twisted and maybe stepped on. The shielding protect the signal from external interference. The build quality make the cable last long and not breaking internally that can cause some issue on signal. And the capacitance of cable effects the potential signal lost during a longer cable run. Realistically, any cable from those reputable manufacturers like Mogami or Canare provides cables will provide frequency response all the way flat from 20~20k and above. The only circumstances I hear audible difference is when I run an above 50 meters cable and sometimes with multiple connectors in between. That’s why all the records are made using those reputable cables and they DO NOT cause you a stupid amount of money. Btw I work in both recording and audio visual and I have access to Audio Engineer Society E-Library that has a bunch of research papers that can prove my point.

[@thatfellarosto]

fun fact: Hart Audio Cable's source their copper from Mogami. I really like the stuff Hart makes

[@natevirtual]

I love Hart Audio Cables, can't recommend them enough. I bought a balanced cable from them for my Focal Elex, as the included cable is DAMN STIFF!!! Also their interconnects are great!!!

[@afrolund80]

The different metal connectors matter when it comes to oxidation over time. Oxidation degrades and can even inhibit the transfer of electricity. Of course the climate in your area will effect the speed of this process. So your mileage may very on regular cheap 3.5/rca connectors, etc.

[@colt2266]

The only time I've ever heard a difference in sound quality for a cable was when I replaced the cable on my shure's when the wire in the cable started to corroded and turn green causing the treble to become piercing. Which went went away after I replaced the cable. I personal feel that getting a expensive cable is like getting a expensive smart phone case that in the end really doesn't make much of a different when it comes down to protecting it from a dropped; as its more of a ascetically pleasing look and may be built with certain materials; like having a titanium smart phone case that works just as good as a aluminum case at protecting your phone.

[@talktomenowxbmc]

I think most of the people expect the difference to be in the form of measurement or some drastic change. When in reality the difference is primarily in the sense of reality of reproduced sound. I would not believe myself that is true if I didn’t hear it with my own ears. I recently purchased Sennheiser IE600. The stock cable is horrible but is far superior to the $60 copper replacement cable I have purchased from Amazon. The difference is audible mostly on less busy tracks.,Andreas Vollenweider’s album Air blown me away. The replacement cable made it bit muted and less engaging. With stock cable I was transported to some other place. I also listened to some classical music and my initial reaction was this is the real sound of violin. This is how it supposed sound. Snake oil? I don’t think so. This has something to do with conductivity and purity of used metals. Their physical properties are different. On the hand it would be interesting to hear how $100 chi-fi earphone performs with full silver high grade cable

[@markeastman8494]

I've seen one area where uber high end (e.g., > $1000) speaker cables CAN effect the sound. Most every pair I've seen at this level contain electronic components - to 'fix' the sound problems the wire creates. Usually passive, but I've also seen a pair that had active components. You start adding circuitry to a wire and well... it's really not wire anymore.

[@nickcarrozza3133]

Thanks for the Periapt cable recommendation. They look like a good quality products and prices appear reasonable. I’ll be making a purchase on your recommendation. I think your doing a fine job. Please don’t burn out but it seems your like me, not enough time in a single life to explore all we are interested in.

[@Jon-nz3dm]

unfortunately periapt cables have horrendous microphonics. the paracord slightly rubbing on your shirt or anything goes straight through the headphones into your ears. stock sennheiser cables are so much better(or any cable with just rubber insulation, paracord is almost always microphonic).

[@nickfosley2882]

@@Jon-nz3dm Yeah, but I wanna support Periapt because they did Joshua a favor, I'll also be purchasing a couple cables from them

[@johnong2655]

You saved my time and money. Just make sure the build is good is enough

[@TheSupremeSkill]

Common sense tells you that as long as the electricity travels without obstacles, the sound will be the same no matter the cable. I certainly do not believe in differences between cables and even rather cheap ones most likely will sound the same, but maybe avoid very thin ones and also it's not bad to have some additional shielding (for nonbalanced setups) if price is the same or just a little higher. For those who happen to read this, and which any hifi guy already knows, balanced cables are different and will affect the sound due to usually enabling headphone amplifiers deliver more power in a balanced setup. I guess there are some other very minor benefits as well. Going balanced is not a waste of money, though you can easily waste money on extremely overpriced balanced cables, so search around a bit first.

[@DalleyMusic]

CABLES DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE!! I have a/b'd different cables in pro audio situations for many years and the differences can be subtle to great. It's not just the connectors, but also the wire metals (silver, gauge thickness, etc) and other upgrade factors that affect the sound transmission quality. Don't believe the naysayers!

[@ggcadc]

Periapt is dope, I have two cables from them and contacted them and got excellent service and advice. quality compant

[@fuffy442]

This meshes with DMS's video about audio snake oil. Good stuff. Too many people get ripped off and this shit has to stop.

[@yannick930]

I found cables matters. The build, connectors, shielding and quality of the copper, OFC, OCC,... make a difference to my ears. A small one but a difference non the less. It's more obvious on a stereo system. Good interconnects and good power cables are primordial. But 1k or 20k cables are scams. A good built and good materials are not that expensive. DIY are the best to me.

[@StringerNews1]

That's some good, solid commentary there. It's not all that hard to complete the electrical circuit. Most of the job is to endure physical wear and tear. One of the right-angle plugs that I saw in the video stood out because years ago (1980s) I had a lot of problems with that kind falling apart, so I don't use them any more. No doubt construction methods have improved and the problem has been fixed, but that's the first thing I thought when I saw the image, of that right-angle plug that failed in the middle of a gig.

[@JRBDJRBD]

underated youtube chanel

[@JRBDJRBD]

dont care if it was 1 year ago

[@zedamex]

Dude! Love your creativity with lighting and backdrops for your talks. Hopefully your channel explodes (picks up) soon. Some of the more expensive stuff I've bought could be "snake oil" products but purchased more for "just in case" and upcoming "I wonder if the claims are true". Now I'm even thinking about included standard digital cables (usb/toslink) vs cables that countless people claim give improvements, jitterbug etc. Not that I will throw away $1000 for a single cable mind you. More talking free vs $200~$300 market. Tho for speaker cables, I might invest in more fancy cables both for the "just in case" factor and for the aesthetics.

[@bodycounter9386]

Hey Joshua, would it be possible to talk about how measurements (frequency response for example) influence your opinion on audio gear? Or do you base your opinion solely on what you hear? Do you know, when you get the next batch of gear to review?

[@codetrain020]

I just saw a guy that paired a $160 cable to a $16 iem and he said that it drastically improved the sound. It's just like that $1000 hdmi cable that linustech reviewed. I mean the cable is just the one who sends the signal and in the end the sound being reproduced is really up to the drivers. At this point, I think the audiophile community is high on placebo.

[@StringerNews1]

That's the thing about the "faith healer testimony" either they're lying or if they're being honest their senses must be very unreliable. If a cable change really did make a "drastic" improvement, then things must have been drastically awful (as in "there's something wrong with these, I'm returning them") before, but the user failed to notice. If they failed to notice a major problem like that, that pretty much disqualifies them to be any kind of judge of what sounds good or not. If a new cable cleared up the problem, would reseating the existing cable have cleared up the problem also, and saved the person $160? Could this not be a cable issue at all, but a lack of knowledge and ability, or the "spend your way out of trouble" culture? "I don't know what the problem is, but if I keep throwing money at it, I have faith that some day...." Obviously someone who spends ten times as much on cables for transducers as on the transducers has no clue in the world about what's important and how to prioritize. If you have a leaky faucet, the solution is to replace it, not to keep patching it, not even with solid gold caulk.

[@lumntoob999]

Ajax01 didn't that video from Linus show improvement from the hdmi even though it had nothing to due with the cable rather it was due to a processor in the cable? I could be mistaken but reading your comment reminded me of that happening in one of his videos, but it could have been a different hdmi cable video from him, I thought it was a $100-150 cable that had the processor built in.

[@codetrain020]

thomas locatelli no it's not the $150 one. It's the $1000 hdmi cable. I believe it's titled useless tech over $100. Just look it up and see how insane they charge us for it

[@lumntoob999]

Ajax01 I did see them both but it was a while ago, even the one that was around $100 with the processor in it is overpriced but at least they attempted to make it different.

[@sml2238]

you're also comparing a digital signal to an analogue signal. analogue signals can be more affected by the materials used but a digital signal is just passing data either the data gets there or it doesn't. but any decent cable compared to a high end cable will not be an audible difference. but its "boutique" and adds a bit of touch to the headphone or build or whatever and it's definitely not going to sound worse, only better than a decently made china cable or whatever.

[@greatestsportslegends]

Hmmmm... in your vid you mention links below for cables... Were they removed? I don't see any links.

[@theSEGAtwistisover9k]

That sleeving is so sexy and they don't offer it as an option, CRIMINAL.

[@brianoh8192]

I was trying to find a pink color and realized there wasn't any.

[@theSEGAtwistisover9k]

@@brianoh8192 😥

[@Nukerunin]

The Periapt cable is good quality, but I find it's too damn heavy. It's like they designed it to withstand getting run over by a tank. It's over engineered IMO. I'd prefer less weight pulling my cans down on my ears, something closer to my Sennheiser reference cables in weight. I'm actually thinking of trying LQi Cables even though they're like a $100 more expensive. But that braided cable looks thin and light, and the Y Splitter looks small so it probably won't get hooked on my desk every damn time I lean over like the Periapt splitter does. I'm just worried about volume changes. When I tried to replace the Periapt with a Corpse Cable Balanced XLR that used Sennheiser reference specs, I found it required 60%-ish volume on my Fostex DAC/Amp to match the Periapt's at around 47-48% volume. So I stuck with Periapt. I definitely need to get rid of this cable though.

[@aceofspades6667]

Cables get a bit confusing... For example on a "budget" you can get Canare & Mogami < $100 or you can spend $300 on the entry level Kimber. The gauge, length, material, shielding, weave, and connectors can all make a difference. But to sort fact from fiction as well as % improvement per $ spent is very difficult. General rule of thumb always seems like shorter cables are better and larger gauge is usually better.

[@RetroPlus]

What do you mean those $500 bass crystals and treble stones taped to my amplifier with gold duct tape aren't improving my sound?

[@GinsuSher]

Those quantum stickers you put in dac/amps and daps... Those are in the realm of crazy.

[@kalmtraveler]

I haven't heard any difference with audio cables, given adequate gauge, but I can say from experience that analogue video is another matter entirely. As a kid, I made my own s-video cable for either the original Playstation or N64 (can't remember, this was around 1997) with 16 gauge speaker wire and compared it to a cheapy MadCatz cable - mine had much sharper color separation and more rich colors (in comparison the MadCatz cable colors looked a little washed out and fuzzy). No such differences with audio cables of any higher gauge than necessary though.

[@kevindemelo4878]

I'm commenting a bit late on this, but I remember once crafting 2 pairs of the same rca cables and connectors and just trying different solders, mundorf and WBT. Straight up with the mundorf solder it sounded brighter. I was shocked like WTF😅 Just blind testing you could really hear it. I though it was a cool experience 🔥

[@SussyBaka-em9rq]

That might be your experience, but it isn't possible.

[@kevindemelo4878]

@@SussyBaka-em9rq nobody asked

[@Josh-os2px]

@@SussyBaka-em9rq is it possible? Oh ok thanks sussy I didn't think so either

[@one-rv2bx]

Time to redo his video now that you've experienced the difference and understand why.

[@docgify]

I do trust you reviews josh because you generally qualify all your own opinions as only your opinions and that everyone perceives and hears headphones ,amps, iems differently however there is a certain consensus so i come to you…..lol

[@Baerchenization]

The one thing you should not have lumped in here is gold connectors because they make a very obvious difference, so obvious you don't even have to listen ;)

[@runetech]

I went from the stock M1060 cable to the cheapest version (= not very cheap anyway) of WireWorlds headphone cable, and aside from much better connectors it actually sounds "better". Well everybody I have demonstrated it to has actually heard the difference and so far the WireWorld cables has been deemed better sounding. I really didn't expect that. I just wanted another cable because the one thet came with the headphones had a terrible 3.5" stereo connector. At first I thought their adapter to Tele-jack was shoddy, but no, it had problems with everything I connected it to. So I got the WiredWorld cables and it was on all fronts better. I have since replaced the original cables 3.5" connector and I have no more problems with that, but it still isn't performing as well. And I am very surprised actually. Tested mostly with iFi micro iDSD Black Label DAC/Amp, and the now quite heavily modified M1060...

[@passthepipe1]

A lot here is true. I would say though that I can definitely hear the difference between silver and OFC... it was the biggest surprise to me when I went from good OFC speaker cables to silver, a real, audible difference. At first I was disappointed and then about 40 hours later after "burn in" it sounded very different (better). Peace.

[@markeastman8494]

Another great video. Keep it up.

[@tylerclouthier4288]

I have Sennheiser HD 58X, HD 1, IE 80s, KZ ZSTs, and Audeze LCD2C, all with multiple cables. And maybe the kz upgrade cable does a little better, but for sure the IE80 stock cable and Custom cables I have seem to be much better than other well built cables I have bought for the IE80, no idea why. Every full sized can I have seem to sound the same regardless of cable.

[@phillipnunya6793]

JPS Labs would like to know your location.

[@markreif1]

I'm looking for a 1.2M 4.4MM cable for either the Audeze LCD-X or the Audeze LCD-XC. I found something from Halby Cables on Etsy. Your thoughts and\or an alternative?

[@headphonecable]

Thanks for your sharing

[@nandorblue]

Gotham GAC4 cable is the best sounding cable to my ears and they are dirt cheap. I tried many cables in the last 30 years and spend a lot of money. I wish I knew then what I know now.

[@docgify]

Keep calm and drop sick beats

[@soulfulfool]

something is wrong with me cause nice quality cable is like candy for my eyes, same as well crafted tube amp or well built headphones haha!

[@dguerrero115]

Sadly my Periapt cable stop funtioning after 3 months.

[@prithvib8662]

I would love it if you could mention Abyss Audio's 2000$ cables.

[@Vonliktenstien]

Kind of related: What input cables do you recommend given the choice? I have an audio interface for my PC that has Optical, Coaxial, and RCA out and I'm wondering which one I should use for my Vanatoo T0s. Or should I just go straight USB from my PC?

[@JoshuaValour]

From PC, USB all the way. (because you can control the volume from computer or speakers) Optical is my second choice, but, depending on your PC, volume may not be variable on computer.

[@JoshuaValour]

Only annoying bit about USB is occasional driver issues. But, I don't remember having to install T0 Drivers.

[@Vonliktenstien]

Cool, that's how I've got em hooked up now, and no they were plug and play. Thanks and keep up the great work!

[@Fulano.de.Tal.]

I watched a video about 4 pin balanced cables, the reviewer said they give better sound than unbalanced 1/4 in. cables. The reviewer was listening to audio sent through a Schiit Jotunheim and i think HD660's, comparing stock cable vs 4 pin balanced cable.

[@lumntoob999]

Fulano de Tal In the case of balanced it is the amplifier that could make the difference. Unfortunately it sounds like that reviewer is bs, I had 660s and still have a jotunheim and hd800&600 to my ears the jotunheim sounds the same out of either single ended or balanced except with headphones that needs lots of power then the balanced out was better because it provides triple the power. Most balanced amps will sound better out of there balanced output because the single ended output is summed from the two amp stages that make up the balanced signal, with the jotunheim they are able to use just one of the amp stages to create a signal so it never had to be summed. The jotunheim is the only headphone amp I am aware of that is able to do this due to its unique topology. I also own a mjolnir 2 from schiit and it has a balanced out and a traditional summed single ended output as well, with this amp the sound difference is pretty big between it's balanced and se and also the difference between power output with the mjolnir 2 is huge it makes 8 watts out of it's balanced out and only 2 watts from the single ended. In my experience balanced doesn't mean you are getting a better sounding amplifier, there are single ended amps that are much better sounding than some balanced amps. The jotunheim is a great amp but to me it isn't neutral it is a bass monster, I always thought it might have just been the extra power creating more bass but mj2 has even more power and it sounds fairly neutral with the stock tubes. I would still suggest the jotunheim to the right people as a hard to beat option and the fact it sounds great out of either output is a plus not a detriment. I know that was allot to read so if you made it through I hope it helps you out and if you have any questions about it I'll try to help.

[@Fulano.de.Tal.]

thomas locatelli like the saying, cables shouldn't get much $ focus

[@lumntoob999]

Fulano de Tal I wouldn't suggest it necessarily and definitely not for sounds quality but I have replaced essentially all of the cables I can with high quality stuff. I bought it all second hand for well under original retail and I don't regret it but I would never suggest I could definitively hear any differences.

[@ghostly4446]

Brother I bought these for my 58x jubilee and they fit in and work fine, but I cant seem to remove them from the headphone with more then enough force... IT doesn't exactly say on there site about this but wanted to share my experience. I have no need to remove them from my headphone rn, but just something to keep in mind.

[@lumntoob999]

Mid to high priced cables depreciate greatly on the used market, I've got some pretty expensive cables from kimber and wireworld for about 20% or less than there original cost but I have never definitively heard a difference between them and even very cheap cables. I will still continue to buy them because someone else already took the loss on them and I'm getting an amazingly well built cable for a fair price. Pariapt is also a great deal they are cheaper than anyone else using the same copper plus the nice paracord wrap they do, I've still not bought anything from them but I'm sure I will.

[@lumntoob999]

Frank Winkhorst you do the same? What is your best buy? I got a $400+ wireworld cable for $60.

[@yeahthatsright33]

@@lumntoob999 Where are you buying these awesome used cables? I want in!

[@lumntoob999]

@@yeahthatsright33 I'd say 99% of my used audio gear purchases come from eBay. The key to getting great deals is to always be watching for them, when I'm looking for something I'll check eBay several times a day everyday. Another key is to be patient, people list there items for sale sometimes based on what they think it should be worth rather than doing some research to see what the item is actually selling for, sometimes this means the price will be to high but this is also why you'll find amazing deals. I have thought so many times that I was going to get ripped off because the deals seem to good to be true but I've yet to lose any money. One more tip, make an offer when possible, even if it's an auction. I've stopped many auctions on eBay because I sent a message to the seller asking if they would accept an offer, but read the ad first to make sure the seller isn't going to get annoyed with that.

[@yeahthatsright33]

@@lumntoob999 What are some good brands I should on the look out for? I only know about moon audio, jps labs, and kimber as far as high end.

[@lumntoob999]

@@yeahthatsright33 I think the kimber pbj is great, there cheap and the terminations are rock solid, timbre is great to. Wireworld stuff is really expensive but if you can find a deal like I did I would highly suggest them, terminations feel amazing and most of there cables are flat and look great. I have a usb cable (starlight 7) and a few power cables from wireworld, definitely my favorite brand so far. Cardas makes good stuff, nordost is very expensive but I'd buy for right price, zu audio no experience with them but heard good things, some affordable high quality stuff- pangea they use cardas copper in there higher end stuff but still affordable, blue jeans cables are really good for the money, cheaper audioquest stuff but wouldn't spend to much there. Keep in mind from someone who purchases and recommends this stuff, I don't hear an audible difference between brands of cables or even cheap vs expensive cables or between copper and silver (both plated and solid silver), I personally see a value in a solidly built and good looking cable. I don't suggest silver plated copper and I wouldn't suggest anything except gold plating on the connectors, I am not a fan of rhodium or nickel plating I strictly stick to gold. Hope this helps a little.

[@edyberteux]

I couldnt find this cable in their page :(

[@varmintbaby434]

My Periapt cable for my HD6xx definitely gave better sound. It was very slight, but I have very discerning ears and could hear the difference from the stock cable that comes with those cans. It wasn't a HUGE difference, just the audio was "crisper" and "cleaner" if that makes sense. I literally listened to a few songs with the base cable and then swapped to the Periapt and listened to the same songs and could hear a difference. At this point that I've had it for a few days it doesn't make a difference because now I'm "used" to the Periapt cable sound, but I know I'm getting the best sound I can afford right now. My next endeavor is to buy Burson V5 or V6 Vivid Op amps for my Asus STX II sound card. I hear those make sound better for the STX II. Anyway, your opinion is yours and as such I'll respect it. Take care!

[@RochX-7]

Don't sell yourself short brother-chan. I bought some cables from them and let them know that it's only because of you and Zeos.

[@Feldspar__]

I'm sold on the Pariapt cables for my headphones. They make them in gray and that's what pushed me from interested to interested in buying. Still don't believe in cable woo.

[@johncapone8843]

That bed looks like it get's less play then you'r headphones :)

[@MrBrodernafluff]

Well, this is a mixed batch. Buying quality cables can improve soundquality for a certain setups, but you can't just buy a new pair of speakers cables and think that it will change the world. It's about the signal all the way from your powersupply down to your speakers. So you will probably need to change all wiering to notice a good difference. In the hifi-world we use as a rule of thumb that you should put inbetween 10-15% of your total sterio setups price in cables. I got a midrange system for approximatly £1500 and spent about £250 on wires. The quality was good right out of the box, but if you wanna get everything out from the system, cables is the shit!

[@dennisvanderben2719]

they LOOK sicc :DD

[@krzysztofpopko4595]

There is a difference, but very small. On the better cable I found that the bass is more accurate, but the top is too mettalic. So I am using better cable on lows only. And for the top I am using cooper cable. Also have qed connectors. Before them had some crappy ones and there was something wrong in the sound.

[@kchuen]

Wow Joshua you used to be so slim..... lol

[@TheEpicElement]

silver copper makes a difference. type of material makes a diverence.

[@haudaikuwa8543]

Should i get the schiit asgard 2 or the xDuoo XD-05 i heard the asgard is bass heavy and i dont want that.

[@lumntoob999]

Asgard 2 is a class a desktop amplifier only, xduoo is a portable dac and amplifier. If you are looking for a good amp to use at home the asgard is really great and hard to beat for the money. There is tons of info out there on the asgard 2 sound, I think the majority of people say it's a little bit on the warm side, I only heard one for a short time and from what I recall it was close enough to neutral, I remember reading that the 1st asgard was the warmer amp but I've l never personally heard it. I would only suggest the xduoo or something like it if you absolutely need to have a portable dac/amp, if you are not looking for portable use then a home dac/amp or separates would be a much better choice, like schiit asgard plus a schiit bifrost. A good desktop setup should just about always sound better than a small all in one portable solution. If you need a portable I would highly suggest something from ifi like the new nano black label, at $199 it would be very hard to think of a better portable maybe fiio q5 mkii for $349 if you want Bluetooth option as well.

[@haudaikuwa8543]

Ok thanks!

[@qazifaisal5]

I disagree I think when I replaced by aeon x closed headphone stock cable.with the moon audio blue Dragon cable I heard more bass and more sound stage .

[@killerra]

The brain is a tricky device. It's hard to not hear a difference when you just spent nearly $200+ on a new cable.

[@functionaldoc5054]

I love my 3 pairs of Periapt cables. I would say that I didn't believe cables made a difference until last year at RMAF went to Dana cable display and the had 1 amp with 2 identical outs and 2 pairs of Hifiman 1000's V2 with same source any music you wanted and they both played at the same time and you good hear a difference on 60 % of the tracks and the $1100 cable sounded better. I am still skeptical and yet to spend that kind of money on headphone cable.

[@JoshuaValour]

What kind of amp was it?

[@functionaldoc5054]

Solid State amp don't know the name . He is there every year at Can Jam side of the show.

[@Bluebair]

Do you know of anyone who makes really nice feeling fabric cables like that periapt but for hd800? They dont make hd800 ones :c I too havent heard a difference in cables, and dont expect to, but man do I love nice fabric cables

[@lumntoob999]

Chris Bair do you have the stock cable, I think it has a pretty nice fabric feel to it. I thought I read that Pariapt has an hd800 cable about to be introduced.

[@Bluebair]

thomas locatelli i like the stock cable, except that it turns to rubber at the top. And I have no need for 10 feet. I have already re wired above the y split with a kevlar wire as one of the top wires was fraying and going bad. It doesnt look super nice, so I will re do it soon. Or maybe ill buy a replacement, thats why i asked haha

[@lumntoob999]

Chris Bair I have a few options for you, that is why I asked lol. I use the ch800s so I have the single ended version just sitting around, perfect condition only used for about 10 hours while I was waiting for the balanced cable, if your interested I'll give you my eBay name and post it for you ($100). The other option I could personally suggest is dyson audio (eBay seller cablearchitect), he just replaced old hifiman smc connectors on a custom cable with hd650 connectors and only wanted to charge me $13 including return shipping (I gave him a little extra) it would have been a little bit more than that but I already bought the hd650 connectors and sent them in with the cable so I was only paying for his labor and shipping and I have given him a decent amount of business but his prices were unbeatable from the start and he is willing to do anything you want to the cable as long as it's not something that shouldn't be done. I have mentioned him before on this channels comments and others but I have no affiliation to him or his business but he has saved me probably over $1000, I've had him modify 5 headphones and probably build/modify over a dozen cables.

[@gixxer750cc]

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[@hassabsaeed9993]

From what is see in your reviews , you have good ears and you describe sound very good for at least the headphones i have and i know , so eventually you will hear the difference in cables with more experience and once you accept that they do differ , because now your brain is blocking these informations. cables do matter (within reasonable price) and it just deliver the full potential of your system ,, cables never enhance sound.

[@BoostDriftTeam]

give me some of your kool-aid

[@SussyBaka-em9rq]

@@BoostDriftTeam This

[@theyruinedyoutubeagain]

I love Periapt, just made my first purchase with them!

[@Tripokaridos22]

People believing cables make a difference ... Are flat earth lovers...

[@DickDebonaire]

And people who deny the difference in absolute terms need to see an audiologist or get better audio equipment that can verify the difference