My Wife Deleted Messages From My Ex Telling Me She Was Pregnant 5 Years Ago r/Relationships

[@msredux]

She totally read the texts, and I bet she will be fighting about op paying more attention to the oldest daughter than the baby

[@Hanzo1]

He's just delusional 🤣 he'd rather play pretend than confront the truth

[@Likeomgitznich]

I honestly don’t think so. Paint her as this crazy big bad. But logically, if she was that manipulative, why would she easily omit to being the one that blocked her, completely unprompted.

[@elisonholace4033]

@@Likeomgitznich People who lie use trickle truths like that all the time. The logic being if they tell partial truths the person they're lying to won't press much for further details, believing what they've been told. It's like when a cheater will admit to kissing someone unprompted when they had actually been sleeping with them.

[@aluralovell6829]

I mean to be fair she said she was young and immature and I can attest to the fact that when I was younger I did in fact delete messages from people without even reading them just on the principle that I didn't like this person and I didn't care about anything they had to say. Not everyone likes to go back and forth and get into screaming matches, my brand of petty when I was younger was to ignore, tune people out and not let them get a word in edge wise because I wasn't hearing it and I know I'm not the only one, OP's wife very well could have been the same especially if OP and his ex had a nasty break up and she felt like she was protecting him as I have also done that as well but for a friend. He had an ex who would come in and out of his life constantly when she needed something and once she got what she wanted she would start a fight with him and ghost him, not even officially break up so she could waltz back in and pretend they were still together even though she had ghosted him for months at a time, eventually I got tired of her shit and started just deleting her messages of principle and even though he's better off for it and he thanked me I now realize that I am older that I had no right to just delete messages off his phone.

[@videofan1010]

Yea - the wife is actually trash, lol.

[@crem-crem4070]

Story 1: op is incredibly naive and in a couple of years he’s going to realize that this was signs of things to come rather than a once off thing. That poor kid inside the wife.

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

Agreed. I'm looking forward to all OP's future updates of how his future ex-wife has manipulated him and fucked him over. Maybe we'll get a double whammy story and find out the kid she's currently carrying isn't OPs. Either way, it's not over, and OP will deserve all the bullshit he gets. His wife hurt his daughter, and he's cool with it because "I just love her soooo much, so I don't want to believe she actually did the shit she admitted to doing".

[@KyrieChii]

I agree, although I'm not sure if OP _really_ believes her...I think he may've just been so overwhelmed by all this that he couldn't fathom dealing with the damage to his life if he accepted the truth of what his (now pregnant) wife did years ago... Which was 'violated his trust & privacy, & STOLE 5 YEARS of involvement in his eldest child's life from him (& said child), almost losing him any chance of being part of their life'. I think he chose what he felt was the easiest path forward, which is dropping the issue by claiming (trying to convince himself) to believe his wife hadn't read the message before deleting/blocking. The alternative would possibly lead to divorce & having to fight over custody of _their_ child, then having to start all over with trust issues. He may have told himself this was for the kid he shares with his wife's sake. But there are definitely cracks, particularly in wife's relationship with his family, which I don't think can be so easily plastered over just because she's the Mom to a new member of their family.

[@pippo17173]

@@Original_Tenshi_Chan Ya lets be honest, these actions are the result of her hiding and wanting her meal ticket. Actions like these just scream *I'm hiding shit that I don't want to be found out*.

[@VivPhotography]

Story 1: Of course the wife read the text message. OP is in denial and refuses to believe it because he knows that someone who would do that is pretty evil - he doesn't want his wife's image and their marriage shattered.

[@PeterShipley1]

given most/all phones preview the message, she definitely read it

[@fluidwolf]

@@PeterShipley1 Unless the whole message was "Im pregnant" it's very likely that the preview might not have even shown that in that case. Do kids today legitimately think it's impossible to delete a message without having read the whole thing?

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

@@fluidwolf Yes, people do know it's legitimately impossible for his wife to have deleted and blocked her without reading the messages.. Because someone that controlling and manipulative, who will go through their NEW boyfriend's phone and start deleting and blocking people is 100% the type who snoops and reads. And the fact she chose to hide it from him all these years essentially shows she knew what she did was wrong and underhanded. You don't lie and cover shit up when you think you're doing a good deed. The only reason she even "admitted" to it now, was because she knew she was caught, and she trickle truthed. Similar to when you catch a cheater at their AP's house, and they have no way to lie their way out of it, it will be "Well, yeah, we're friends, of course we were hanging out!", then "Well, we kissed once, but I felt guilty immediately and told her to stop", until it's "Ok, maybe we kissed a few times, but I swear! I SWEAR it meant nothing!". And it's only when you have 100% undeniable proof that they were fucking, will they even maybe, potentially, partially admit to it, MAYBE. Trickle Truth. I'm willing to lay odds that if OP actually pressed his wife instead of "Did you read them? No? Ok! I believe you! I love you hunny!", that she would have admitted to "maybe glancing at the texts". If pressed further, "Well, o9k, yeah, I may have read them, but she's a liar, so I was doing you a favor!" or some other BS. She knew. She also knew their relationship was new, and a baby with the ex would put a wrench in her future plans.

[@middaydraws3379]

@@fluidwolf Most phones with in the last few years require you to look at the whole message before deleting

[@Azulakayes]

He is in denial. She is evil. Why is she deleting his messages? What I know is that she will prove her evil soon, the mask has fallen.

[@Julienna]

She definitely read it. STILL, it does not matter. Deleting someone else’s messages and blocking the person was NOT her place to do. This action is such a huge crossing of moral / emotional / relationship boundaries, that you can call it a HUGE red flag. It does not matter, what was she feeling at that time, or what age she was, you just don't do it! OP needs more time to see the true face of his wife.

[@dorakarys]

This! It's already bad look into your partner's phone but deleting messages? It's controlling and that's never good.

[@ScarabD]

Not sure I agree that she read it, though you're right about deleting it being a horrid move anyway. They definitely need therapy, individual and couples. If we go on the assumption that OP's wife is not, in fact, Satan incarnate, then it's entirely plausible that she *did* just delete a message without reading it and forget about it. I can see a dumb teenager or young person doing that, tbh, and our ignorance is as often a cause of others' pain as our spite, maybe more. If she DID read it and knew the child existed then you're absolutely right, but let's be honest, we spend WAY too much time on these reddit videos and we really do not KNOW for sure. I don't remember what I had for breakfast today much less a message I deleted five years ago, when I was probably quite a different person. Also, this part is just me, but I cannot imagine leaving a child fatherless and a woman trying to raise a kid on her own if I knew my S.O was the parent. I just couldn't do it.

[@DePhoegonIsle]

@@dorakarys meh, the looking at the phone thing isn't that big of an issue for me.. but certainly violating the messages. IDK.. I would be looking at a way to strip her of child rights citing her behavior as nasty red flags & an entire breach of any trust.

[@mikewalls2694]

She 100% read it and robbed OP 5 years if not more with his child.

[@Argonisgema]

@@DePhoegonIsle Yeah that won't happen. Deleting a message 5 years ago won't be nearly enough for to rip a newborn away from her mother.

[@OZARKMOON1960]

Am I the only one thinking within a few years - if not far sooner - OP's new wife and new baby will be the big part of his life and wife is going to slow edge out older daughter? Unless that woman is 100% loving to that child once OP gets visitation, I'd be very wary of her.

[@AshenTechDotCom]

yeah, i have seen this go one of 2 ways, im sure she read the message, the one thing i can say to semi-justify her is, i have also seen ex's try and f-with their ex with stuff like this and try and cause them problems in their current relationships, its sad but, it is what it is... people suck. i hope, she has matured and decides that, she needs to support him knowing his daughter, hell, it sounds like the ex and op in this matured alot over that time, even alot recently to the posts, realized they needed to work shit out without the courts butting in and making it even harder, we can hope his current wife, has matured enough to be kind to his daughter, that she kept him from knowing... again seen it go one of 2 ways most of the time... hoping this is one where she genuinely isnt a shit person and genuinely feels bad and embarassed by her past actions... i cant be the "no forgiveness" type on stuff like this, it would make me keep an eye on her and question her behavior/motives at least for a good while... and i would be f-ing pissed, but... my mild autism and life experience have allowed me to more easily see the "other side" of things and be more.... understanding.... even if i dont forgive i try and not hold a grudge or hold onto bitterness... it does no good...just eats away at yourself little by little...

[@WhitneyDahlin]

His baby mama is just as trash as the wife! She could have contacted his family and SHOULD have contacted his family when she didn't receive a response from him. She can't just send one text oh hey I'm having your baby hope you haven't changed your number or are temporarily unable to receive texts because it's your one and only chance to be involved. She's definitely at fault. She had a responsibility and an obligation to her daughter to keep trying to have her father involved until he tells her to her face that he doesn't want to be involved. She's trash the Wife is trash congrats you have terrible taste in women. Plus his baby mama is refusing to take responsibility for the fact she was fine trying only once and then never again. She CHOOSE to exclude you and would have kept doing so if she didn't need money. Baby mama is definitely at fault MORE than the wife. The wife has NO obligation to the child. The baby mama does! Growing up without a father's involvement screws with a person mentally and messes with them for the rest of her life. Baby mama just didn't care

[@bobhenderson7541]

She already trashed socially with friends distancing themselves from her the social cost of trying to alienate dad from daughter if her attempts went sideways would not be worth it to her because she already has one strike with many people, probably including members of her own family. That is just so unforgiveable.

[@robertx8020]

The only honest answer is : we don't know!

[@horsepuncher95]

I think you might be assuming too much. At the end of the day we don't know these people from a bar of soap. I'm pretty sure I'm not even from the same hemisphere lol so any guess I have will be tainted by the fact USA probs has slightly different social rules idk

[@Jace_the_mace]

The OP is naive. I feel sorry for his daughter. Once she starts going to visit he father at his house she will most likely end up getting abused by his wife. What his wife did was divorce worthy and it’s sad that he’s willing to put his own happiness before his daughter. I just hope his ex never lets her stay over at his house and protects her daughter from his evil wife and her idiotic father.

[@robertx8020]

I think you're making a lot of asumptions here I also think OP knows his wife better than you ever will And there is no reason to expect abuse! Since when is deleting ONE mail equal to abusing a child? And do you forget that he also has a child with his (still ) wife? Shpuld he abandone that child? Are you on drugs?

[@uk9824]

it is true only speculation but to be real his wife was most likely his new girlfriend at the time when she deleted the message probably thinking he would leave her to be with his ex and child

[@sopadumacacoumadelicia5]

@@uk9824 that's no excuse.

[@uk9824]

@@sopadumacacoumadelicia5 true but it's a working theory I never said it was justified if I'm right that's disgusting

[@Jace_the_mace]

@@robertx8020 My aren’t you a hypocritical one? Who said anything about abandoning his unborn child? Put down the booze and let me be clear, forcing him to abandon his first born due to her own jealousy is divorce worthy. He can still be a father without being with her. If you think she truly didn’t read the message then you’re about as idiotic as the OP. I’m not surprised you responded this way. Many men are easy to manipulate. She sure has OP fooled and it didn’t even take that much to do so. All she had to do was push his pregnant ex out of OP’s life by erasing a message and then cry crocodile tears when she got caught.

[@mmakoshark]

mark is such a strong person, he lost both his parents in the span of just a few years but hes still pushing forward and living his life its so cool

[@puli_dreadhead]

Story one. I don’t think I can forgive someone even if they were pregnant. Missed out on five years. I’m surprised the mom didn’t chew op out when she found out the ex was ghosted.

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

Yeah, not only was it not her place, but it was also the single most controlling, conniving thing I can imagine a partner doing.

[@emilybarclay8831]

Her being pregnant makes it worse. She’s got a baby on the way, she should be thinking like a mother and yet she’s willing to rob an innocent little girl of her father for her own personal gain and jealousy

[@kp2223]

Mom did to the OP out when she found out. The only reason the op found out about the baby is because Mom called him to chew him out after the ex called her because she was in need of financial support.

[@GMAMEC]

Everyone handled this poorly. Don’t forget that HE was a terrible boyfriend. She could have sued for child support. He’s not completely innocent. Not justifying the wife’s actions, but she did come clean. The wife could have lied about the text, but she didn’t.

[@Khajitxi]

@@GMAMEC I disagree. Evil or entitled people often will say the quiet part out loud because they lack the empathy to realize how awful a thing it is they did before they think twice. The confession means little.

[@tinywaterdrinker5136]

Op is naive af. The wife is lying. How do you delete a message without even ACCIDENTALLY skimming it? Not, only do you have to be the one girlfriend on the planet who wouldn't read why your boyfriend's ex is texting him, you'd have to basically cover most of the message (or the msg preview) with your hand as you hold down with your finger then hit delete.

[@sylvestercat1898]

I’m not sure how other phone brands work, but with my iPhone your not able to delete a text without going in the conversation, pressing on the text, then you have to tap on the box beside the text and delete it by pressing the trash box at the bottom of the phone. So if OP’s phone is like mine then there’s no way that she didn’t see that text.

[@locusxe1411]

@@aduckofsomesort I do. I personally don’t think deleting messages without reading them is normal. It may be normal to you but I think it’s weird

[@lycantabris]

@@sylvestercat1898 I have android and use Google messages, and to see who sent the message, you get a preview of the message.

[@BlankBrain]

OP is choosing to be naive. He's doing mental gymnastics to try to have some normalcy in his awful life. He may or may not be able to pull it off in the long run. The odds are good because he's doing what's best for his children.

[@wheelsndealz]

plenty of ways. the first half of the message could have been filler. You think the ex would have just sent "hey I'm pregnant". It's a possibility but certainly not the only one. So it's easy to believe the gf/wife would have just seen a message from the ex and deleted the convo, then blocked the number.

[@heraclito3114]

She did read it. The wife is lucky she is pregnant so OP decided to be more gullible and forgiving.

[@catharineholton49]

Wife is the one I feel sorry for now. She and her child have no importance to OP now. I'd let the two of them just get on with it.

[@hilaryc3203]

@@catharineholton49 Where in the story did you get that idea? You are as bad as the wife; evil minded and insecure.

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

@@catharineholton49 I feel like " _no_ " importance is a bit of a stretch; he repeatedly says he loves her + wants to believe she didn't do it, & I'm personally pretty sure that if they didn't have _any_ importance then he'd have just thrown her out + then negotiated _their_ child support arrangements through lawyers, again.

[@itsjustme7487]

I agree that she did read the text.

[@Batman-lg2zj]

Op should forgive the wife and she made a mistake .

[@Mewse1203]

Story 1: there's no way she didn't read it. Even IF she didn't, she still deleted a message not meant for her. That was beyond the pale of boundary stomping Edit: I'm glad things worked out with the kid. Still not sure about the wife though.

[@theresamariegoesplaces9688]

I had the first three months of my granddaughters existence kept from me, and I’m still livid about it 5 years later OP’s family has every right to drag her in public because his wife is a liar, and my heart breaks thinking that his little girl is going to have this manipulative step monster in her life.

[@brigidtheirish]

So there's no way she didn't read it but if she didn't... So which is it? How is it so unthinkable that she didn't?

[@Mewse1203]

@@brigidtheirish yes. there is very little chance she deleted it without reading it. If that small chance did happen and she never read it, she still broke a boundary by deleting it without telling OP. Because it wasn't her business to be deleting it. And why I think she read it is that if you're the type of person who would secretly delete a message not meant for you, you're the type of person who would want to know if there was something going on between them. They'd be wondering why the ex was messaging their partner i.e. are they cheating and would read it to make sure.

[@brigidtheirish]

@@Mewse1203 Why. Why is there so little chance that she deleted it without reading it? Why would she also be the sort of person to read the message she was about to delete? She could just as easily see it's the *only* text from the ex, assume the ex is trying to start something, and delete the message without looking because, why bother?

[@Azulakayes]

@@Mewse1203 This exact comment. People are focused on whether she read the text on not, brushing over the fact that she took a phone that wasn't hers, deleted messages not meant for her and blocked someone when it wasn’t her place to, and going to the extent of 'forgetting about it' are people hearing what I am hearing? I had to restart the story and read along with Mark because I couldn't believe it. Isn't this pure and disconcerting evil? Is this a person anyone should be married to? I bet, something big will happen soon and OP will be like, oh no, my wife was amazing and suddenly...if ever there was a giant red flag folded under the carpet, its this story. This is the most alarming reddit story I have ever read.

[@Bluedragon094]

There's like a 0% chance the wife didn't read the text. She had a moment of weakness and snooped through OP's phone. Saw that the text was from ex and at first glance thought OP might be cheating. She opened the text in a bid to confirm her suspicions and found something far worse: Ex claimed to be pregnant. She didn't know if Ex was lying to try and ruin her relationship with OP or not but what she feared was that OP would take one look at that text and leave to be with Ex because of the baby. So she didn't just delete the text. She went one further and blocked Ex's number so that she couldn't keep pestering OP about the baby. It was a petty, fearful, and stupid move at the time. It should've never worked because if Ex were smart she would've applied for child support immediately which would've notified OP. But that never happened in over 4 years. Wife felt vindicated... until now.

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

It was fucking evil, is what it was. I'm never the "divorce them!" person, but I honestly can't remember personally responding any other way. It was a deeply controlling, malicious & unacceptable thing to do.

[@davidsantiagotate7380]

Random thought with whether the wife read the text or not: read receipts existed 5 years ago, I wonder if the ex knows whether the text was opened or not?

[@antoinealez12]

They could have been turned off

[@dollface2907]

If op is stupid enough I bet the ex sent it and op was in the shower or something because there is no way op would of missed it

[@MrJpaynebb]

OP wants to believe his wife and he's doing so for the sake of his marriage and family. No one on reddit, this comment section or even his own family believes that the wife never read or heard that message. Sometimes love is blind and in this instance it's on purpose by OP. That's his choice. Hopefully OP and wife will understand that his family may forgive her but they probably don't trust her and may never trust her again.

[@dollface2907]

@@MrJpaynebb given how many people turned on the current wife yeah no one seemed to be surprised

[@LadyBern]

@@dollface2907 the way the sister posted it and didn't really apologize, I'm assuming there's really something off with her, possibly a possessive and toxic personality the family doesn't like but tolerate for his sake.

[@animelytical8354]

Wife definitely did the "I bet she's lying to get her claws back onto him" and deleted the message. Being married to someone capable of this is terrifying a prospect. Being in denial makes sense. She blocked the ex, though. That's suspect. Nightmarish to be married to that.

[@insideAdirtyMind]

well he was not a good person himself, so maybe Karma gets him with that

[@my-chemical-romance]

@@insideAdirtyMind what made you decide he's not a good person?

[@alexiosblake9804]

@@my-chemical-romance he said it himself. That he was a bad partner to his ex, back when they were together.

[@hothead2463]

@@alexiosblake9804 With the possible timeline I feel that the wife was op's side chick and the ex found out. She felt that if he knew about the pregnancy he probably be focused on the kid than with her.

[@alexiosblake9804]

@@hothead2463 now that's just pure speculation.

[@Greenwren]

Story 2: My mom died 5 years ago. And my dad died last week so I understand how hard it is. It's extremely important to grieve BUT debilating grief definitely needs therapy. You need to think about others, like your wife, who needs support too.

[@nonono3766]

The red flag waving right in front of op's eyes and yet he still sees his relationship with his wife with rose tinted glasses. That vile woman definitely saw the message. She deserves the hate from op's family and her (ex)friends.

[@carmenbarrera80]

#1 how come the wife not just delete the message but she even blocked her ?!? There is no way that was a "mistake" how come she remember that exact message and her deleting it ?!? OP just care to keep his happy family and not about how his daughter grow up without a father. Well I guess as long as his new baby is ok OP is fine

[@brigidtheirish]

She didn't remember the exact message. She remembered that she *did* delete a message and followed it up by blocking the ex. I can see someone doing that in a fit of jealousy.

[@fluidwolf]

You seriously just asked "why did a jealous GF not want her BF to be in contact with their EX"

[@axepagode33626]

"We are all to blame for the current situation?" Are you frelling kidding me? You not knowing about being a father is 100% the fault of your wife. You are falling for the tears and accepting blame for her actions. This is so common of the white knighters. You missed the birth and last five years of your daughter life. BTW, the first 2.5 are the absolute best. Who's responsible for that? Your wife. SHE READ THE DAMN TEXT.

[@sherryflanigan7680]

I lost my twin sister and my grandbaby within 5 months of each other and I still have to get up and work everyday. The grief is overwhelming sometimes but you have to keep going. Cry in the shower. Scream into your pillow but life has to move forward.

[@carlrood4457]

I think the key to dealing with tragedy is to have a purpose to focus on. We lost our daughter at the age of three, but I had two other children and a pregnant wife who needed me. I grieved, and still do over 15 years later, but I had to do it on my own time and do my job as a father and husband.

[@wangdangatomictango]

Last point: I don't see why OP1 doesn't think his wife wouldn't be beyond mistreating his daughter and hiding that from him. She kept him in the dark for 5 years. If the ex did feel like taking him to court years ago, what was stopping the wife from throwing out court papers, letters, blocking FB messages? She was only sorry she got caught in a way that was not within her control. She's not proven herself to be a trustworthy wife and stepmother. The fact he stands by staying with his wife, and not getting the complete truth, is not really putting the kids first.

[@Loaves_of_Cat]

I’m pretty sure she threatened to take op to court out of residual resentment. Op did say he and she didn’t part in good terms and then op’s wife blocked op from knowing about her pregnancy. I’m don’t think anyone wouldn’t some sort of leftover resentment.

[@KyrieChii]

I think this is him thinking/reacting in 'crisis mode', he was going through so much turmoil that he was willing to grab whatever 'solution' he thought was going to be easiest at the time, even if it won't work long term. I think things may have ended very differently if his wife wasn't pregnant. This relationship will eventually fall apart, especially with him pursuing the fatherly role in the life of the child she tried to prevent him from finding out about. (And because his family has been informed of what she pulled, which won't help their relationship either).

[@Vallyrah]

Story 2: don't leave it on the depressed person to find and set-up help. let them know it is time to get help or move out. If they agree, set-it up, but check with them every step of the way. Remind them of consequences of backing out of getting help. But if he is as depressed as he sounds the illness may not allow him to take the initiative to get help. I've had clinical depression for decades. When I get bad, it is all that I can do to ask my partner to get me help. But I do take the help, we wouldn't be together if I didn't, he would have rightly left.

[@WabbitHunter68]

Absolutely. I suffer from depression and on bad days doing anything is a big deal. It maybe worth her talking to a mental health specialist to see how she can approach getting him help.

[@SidereusOfTheFallen]

It's also nobody's business or duty to *make him* accept help. If he doesn't, OP cannot save him, no matter how hard she might try... It's really sad. But if people refuse help to a certain degree, you have to count your losses or basically hospitalise them and ask guardianship. (Edited for a typo)

[@AndyyWithAY]

Mark, hearing you talk about your parents and grief has been really helpful for me. When we lost my grandma last year that was the first time I've lost someone really close to me, so having you share your experience and knowing it does get better and easier was so helpful. Of course I'm sorry you've been through those experiences, but I'm sure you being brave enough to share has helped more than just me

[@MarkNarrations]

❤

[@andrewwilliams8736]

1st Story: Wife absolutely read that text. That means she was comfortable standing between a father-daughter relationship because it met her needs. That’s a dangerous person to keep in your life, OP.

[@DarkTraveler09]

Story 1: Yeah, no... I find it extremely hard to believe that OP's wife didn't see the message before deleting it. Especially under the circumstance that the wife knew it was from OP's Ex. You can't tell me that if your partner's Ex suddenly sent a message, that you wouldn't be a tad bit curious to see what the message was about and read, even if you briefly skimmed through the message. Than just decided to up and delete the message that wasn't even intended for you and pretend that it didn't happen, as well as essentially keeping it a secret/lie about it for that long? I'm sorry, but you have to be extremely gullible and/or naïve as hell to think otherwise. Mostly because not only did she delete the message, she instantly blocked the Ex. You wouldn't block someone without reason, like say... seeing what the context of the message was.

[@fluidwolf]

....uh....wouldn't "current GF doesn't want EX contacting BF" be a reason to a jealous GF? People delete and block messages from people they don't like all the time these days without ever having seen them.

[@catherinecox573]

Yeah it a big red flag she went ahead and blacked the ex without telling him. That's so weird and manipulative.

[@DarkTraveler09]

@@fluidwolf Even if that were the case, that's not her call to make. Which wouldn't make what she did any better in this situation.

[@truthseeker9249]

@@fluidwolf I feel sorry for anyone who dates you.

[@hotjanuary]

Why aren’t texts treated the same as postal mail? Tampering with correspondence intended for someone else is a crime only if it’s sent by post?

[@rosealicia1782]

The wife at the time was possibly jealous and petty at best (thinking the ex might've been trying to get back together with OP and blocked them as a power play) or malicious at worst. Story 2: NTA. OP could have worded it differently, but the husbands actions are extreme. He's been like that for 11 months! He needs serious help and a goddamn wake up call or he's going to lose his wife too bc he isn't taking responsibility or care of himself anymore.

[@antoinealez12]

That's the kind of vibe that I am getting. Op didn't mention the wife trying to shift blame, all she's done is tell the truth.

[@psyolytesaille]

It's malice imo.

[@catherinecox573]

So she's brazen enough to delete his texts, but not to invade his privacy and read it? She stomped on his privacy already; I find it very hard to believe she didn't read it. Also, they need a actual therapist. Pastors are almost never qualified to be doing that. Therapy with a pastor is NOT therapy, it's a sermon.

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

They don't need a therapist, they need a freaking *exorcism* .

[@ineedhoez]

😂😂😂😂

[@ceciliacalvin207]

Story 1: call the divorce lawyer asap!

[@BitterSimplicity]

Two theories on the wife. One, given the backstory, maybe the text started off with a lot of vitriol, or maybe it seemed like the ex wanted him back. Wife only saw a preview of a long text that just seemed like ex drama and deleted it. Two, she did read it. But as time went on, she realized how wrong it was, and what it would do to this amazing relationship. It became such a huge, dark secret that she never got the nerve to admit it, and even now intends to take to the grave. The first is an immature accident. The second is just cowardice. Who knows?

[@Kimberly_Sparkles]

I doubt it said, "I'm pregnant." I'm sure there was a long message to set that up. No way to know now and he's having a baby with her. Why choose to believe the worst when you want what you have?

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

Even in the first, absolute best case, it wasn't her right. It wasn't within astronomical distances of being her right.

[@BitterSimplicity]

@@mysterylovescompany2657 Oh no, I absolutely agree. It's just the only scenario that's conceivably forgivable, imo. That's some life-wrecking shit and I can't entirely blame OP for wanting to believe her and not blow up his marriage on top of all these other crazy life changes.

[@GallifreyanOrphan]

Honestly, I think the first is the most likely scenario here. People act like they've never had a dramatic breakup. I've deleted my own messages without reading them, if I'm just done with that person. I can see being young, and the person you're with has a dramatic ex that just keeps stirring the pot, maybe they had an open phone policy and she was like, "Not today, Satan" and just deleted and blocked. Is it right? No. Is it probable? Yep.

[@carolynperry7134]

Who knows it’s possible. I could see her seeing who it was from figuring she wanted to get him back and deleted it and blocked her. OP lost 5 years with his daughter and that’s a shame.

[@AndyyWithAY]

When boy's love their mother, they REALLY love their mother. My grandma passed a little over a year ago and it was hard on everyone, but my dad, especially. Nothing as bad as this, but really hard. OP needs therapy herself she is going through a lot of emotional issues. And, she's had to take over everything in the house and be the sole provider. It's not ok for him to still be having issues this severe nearly a year out. He is not taking any steps to get better. OP you need to be selfish now and look after YOU.

[@triplemoyagames4195]

Facts, I do feel for the Husband, losing a parent must be devastating. However he has made no effort to even try and cope with his mothers death almost a year after the fact. Has taken this as an excuse to stop doing everything. His slack can only go so much he needs shape up. I don't expect him to fully move on for quite a while, but he needs to get a job at least

[@MsUnamusedNerd]

STORY 1: I would be so pissed. If I was in that situation wife would be in the doghouse for a good bit. At least things work out in the end.

[@groofromtheup5719]

It hasn't worked out. The lying B never admitted to what she did.

[@WobblesandBean]

16:45 I'm so sorry, Mark. Thank you so much for sharing such an intimate piece of yourself with us. My heart goes out to you and your family.

[@lynnw7155]

I agree, Mark; I like your pragmatic attitude. Of course we grieve, but life goes on, and if we just drop out of life to grieve continuously, like the husband in story 2, life will run us over like a steamroller. If we can't get through it on our own, we need to seek help.

[@owl7072]

Story 1: "I didn't think it was important" she said she was _pregnant,_ how is that not important??? And why is Op being treated like the bad guy for not being there when his wife is the jealous and selfish one who was crazy enough to go behind his back out of spite?

[@brigidtheirish]

OP's wife *didn't read the message.*

[@owl7072]

@@brigidtheirish whether she did or not, it wasn't her place or decision to go behind his back and delete _his_ messages then keep it from him. He got yelled at by his own mother for being a supposed dead beat father to a child he didn't even know existed because of his wife's jealousy

[@brigidtheirish]

@@owl7072 Oh, most definitely. She was certainly in the wrong about that. It's the added level of malice that people are assuming about her that I'm taking issue with.

[@sopadumacacoumadelicia5]

@@brigidtheirish And your proof that she didn't is what, exactly?

[@Parasolhyena]

@@sopadumacacoumadelicia5 There is never going to be proof one way or another, if she did she's not going to admit it, if she didn't then no one's going to believe her. I guess the closest thing to proof we have is that he trusts her, it's not even proof but if he truly believes her then at the very least I have to assume she has grown into a person who wouldn't do something like that now. This is of course all wishful thinking, really op could come back with a post saying she admitted it and I wouldn't be surprised.

[@Lisapizzza]

One thing I like about this channel is how you talk about grief. Even though it sometimes hurts when I'm reminded of my own loss.

[@heatherholzhaus7013]

Mark. Please, please stop apologizing for relating your life and stories to the narrations. It is your extra insight and unique perspective that makes this channel my favourite. I've been here for about 2 years now. I greatly appreciate your perspective on grief; enjoy your work stories; and am amused by your neighbour stories. Watching you and your channel grow and evolve over the years has been an amazing journey. Thank you so much for sharing. Much love to you, Poppy, and Random Cat. ❤️

[@ComaLies225]

I’m glad Op will be involved in both Childrens lives. My only knock is he should make it very clear to his current wife that she is not allowed to make decisions for OPs daughter. I don’t trust her one bit and i cackled when the family turned against her

[@devlyn873]

You can absolutely delete/block a text or email without ever opening. I do it frequently. Of course, doing it to someone else's texts/emails is massively egregiously wrong, but it is very possible.

[@fluidwolf]

@@i.anthony1247 Uh....her choosing to not read it still means....she didn't read it. Deleting messages and blocking people on his phone is a massive overstep of boundaries but doesn't necessitate her knowing the content of the message.

[@togatampubolon5948]

if its your phone or computer, you can do it without any judgment.

[@Sophia-p7t]

Op seemed to forget why his family is so pissed at his wife , the whole family missed out on being part on his daughters life .

[@broken_queer_but_fighting8589]

Story 1 wife is sus and I dont think she's going to be even decent to the kid when visits happen.

[@antoinealez12]

I don't think the wife read the message. I'm getting the vibe that she saw it was from the ex and out of jealousy deleted and blocked her. She must've assumed that the ex was trying to get back with him. Throughout this story, there was no mention of her trying to blame shift and evade responsibility. She knows that she overstepped and caused problems but the amount of shit that she is getting is not helping, especially the sister airing all of that on social media. She should've kept that quiet, no one outside of the family needs to know.

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

Okay, so best case scenario is that she's a selfish, controlling arsehole instead of a black-hearted demon. And while I'm not a social-media weaponizer myself, and find it undignified when others do it, I actually think that when the moral offense is _this_ great, then if a big, messy public shaming is the worst thing that happens to her she'll be getting off very bloody lightly.

[@Buff_Helpy]

Im glad he and the ex made up but goddamn do i think he should've either broken up with the wife or atleast done something to hold her accountable. She deserved all the social problems and harassment she got.

[@AndyyWithAY]

I'd never be in a situation where I was pregnant by a man I wasn't married to, but I think as a mother she could've done more than just send one text. If I needed to get a hold of someone, I would go by their house, maybe job if it was a serious case like this. The current wife is still terrible for her actions, but I think the ex should've done more.

[@JordanDragonAs]

I mean she contacted his mom and him can't due much from that

[@JordanDragonAs]

To add to that she probably thought he didn't want to talk to her.

[@vanzy01]

@@JordanDragonAs well she should have picked up the phone and called him. Get in contact with one of his friends or show up at his job.

[@OZARKMOON1960]

OP admitted he was a terrible BF to her and things were not left on a good note. Do not blame the victim here or her daughter. Also, never say never - all kinds of things happen and cannot be predicted.

[@MageMalice]

@@vanzy01 she was blocked too not just that the message was deleted

[@franniefargo9454]

Wife read the text if she remembers she deleted and blocked it five years later.

[@florinasrandomness]

Thank you for talking about your grief. My grandma, adopted mom, has cancer. My mind isn't able to understand death like others, partly because I've always seen the dead after they have passed and partly due to abuse stunting parts of my mental growth as a very small child. Hearing how you process death of family, loved ones, is really helping me not have any regrets with my grandma. Especially since no one can give me advice here. Hearing you say it's okay to process death how I do (though not specifically me, and how it ends up happening), and everyone is different (so it's extra okay I am the way I am) helps so much. Thank you!

[@elizahamilton5599]

If I was op I’d never forgive my wife

[@umustbkrayze]

story 1 he trusted her enough to have his phone or she took it to snoop, either way when the ex's message popped up she read it and then blocked her. she saw her as threat and with that text she would now forever be a fixture in his life. She stole his choice and took away 5 years from him and his daughter. I think she's going to be an evil stepmother hopefully not but .... her actions make her questionable and I hope OP protects his children.

[@brigidtheirish]

Why is everyone assuming she read it? Why is it so unthinkable that she's telling the truth about not reading it?

[@togatampubolon5948]

@@brigidtheirish red flag, you can not snoop and delete message of someone phone even to the closest one. If you do, you are capable to do another evil thing.

[@brigidtheirish]

@@togatampubolon5948 Possibly. Though given this seems to be the only concerning thing she's done in a five-year relationship, I'm willing to go with OP that this was a single event that she has since matured past.

[@LaineyBug2020]

I just want to give you the biggest hug every time you talk about your parents!

[@flashingunicorncupcakekiss1436]

Awh Mark I lost my dad 13 years ago and I still breakdown when I think of him and the moments he has missed so far. Not only my dad but my aunt and uncle and both sets of grandparents; I miss them all so much. Your story about the wedding and your mom and dad memorial. I don't cry in public but when I'm alone and I hear a story like yours. I'm not made especially when two or three fat tears roll down my face. Grief is weird it comes in valleys and mountains. It just washes over you like a wave sometimes other days are just happy and you want to talk to them just hear their voice. Life is for the living but sometimes it can so hard to do just that.

[@randomaccount-dq1jq]

If she didn't read those text messages and wasn't worried the OP would go back to his now baby mama then I am going to hit the jackpot on the set for life lotto this year. 🤣🤣 Thank you for another great video Mark

[@treenaneely7813]

If you are crazy enough to creep in someone's phone and delete messages and block someone, there is no way you aren't reading the messages as well. What a liar.

[@acatnamedm4529]

Hi Mark. Never stop talking about how you are feeling. Sending love to you and your family.

[@KimPantoja]

Story2; I feel for OP having to see her husband deal with this, but I feel more for her husband because I lost my mom suddenly too and it was hard. The difference is I didn't have time to grieve, I took care of my grandma (her mom) and I was too worried about her. But now it has come back and to bite me in the butt. It is hard to deal with. I do hope he gets some help because he needs it. What she said was awful and I know it is upsetting but help him see what's going on. I didn't have support, my ex was an ass and didn't care about anything. So I hope that he gets help and I think she might want to do some counseling as well because his depression is obviously affecting her too.

[@MsBELLE7]

I just got back from a funeral. She was only 38, her babies were both under 8. As someone who lost both parents around 18...my heart is breaking for these girls. Knowing all the layers of pain, growth and learning they are going to have to go through in life. Every moment will happen and she won't be there anymore. Thankfully they had a large extended family, who will make sure her husband will be able to keep him going. Marks video is helping keep my from totally breaking down right now.....

[@amberleeannalee1999]

I’ve had the worst day ever. Being yelled at and feeling so useless. So grateful for more of Marks content. Thank you Mark just ur voice and the wonderful community cheered me up

[@YukikoSnowLeopardess]

I am so sorry to hear about that, that really sucks. Sending you virtual hugs. 🤗

[@peggygiggles4303]

If I was OPs ex I wouldn't trust letting my daughter go there.

[@JayeEllis]

Story 1: "I refuse to believe she knew about this and didn't tell me all this time." And therein lies the problem. Look harder.

[@okashi6]

Story 2: ESH. While yes, the husband is dealing his tragedy in a very bad way, telling his to get over it is such a toxic statement. I get being burnt out be the emotional stress, I get being tired from being a crutch, but that still doesn’t justify lashing out like that. This is just a straight up communication issue, everyone has dealt with this badly

[@dc.pxrecious]

Yea Op is the AH for telling him that her husband is going through something and unable to pick himself up. Op needs an external support system or she just needs to leave the relationship. Telling him to get over it is totally unexceptable and soooo hurtful.

[@smiley4995]

The husband is abusing her at this point though. It's been over a year and he hasn't done anything other than burden her and cause harm to her emotionally. She shouldn't have said that, but he shouldn't be hurting her either. Both are the asshole and both need to see a professional just for different reasons.

[@pippo17173]

@@smiley4995 I agree on this but Op really should of just left the moment the husband called op a bitch and left. At this point, I just leave as this is now known that the husband seems to be a mommy boys and I hate saying that but he sure shows it.

[@katpillar4131]

*HUGS* to anyone dealing with grief...whatever the cause.

[@MouseWhite5]

Mark, I totally agree with you on Story 1. There is absolutely no way in hell that the gf/wife did not read the text from the ex before deleting it and blocking the ex. Eventually, no matter how many days, weeks, months, years it takes, the truth will come out and then the shit will hit the fan for real and mess up everyone's lives. 😇🙏👩‍❤‍👩🌈🏳‍🌈

[@hilaryc3203]

Yup. She went on his phone to snoop. It was HIS phone, HIS messages, HIS contact. She deleted the texts and blocked the ex. Of course she read them.

[@dianabialaskahansen2972]

Regardless of her reading the text or not, she still completely broke OPs trust, deleted a message and blocked ex, which led to OP being unaware of the existence of his daughter. There would be no way I'd ever be able to forgive such a betrayal.

[@kandinelson2459]

I can identify 110% with the woman that is struggling to get her husband to get motivated to move forward with his life after the loss of his mother. My mom died suddenly then my dad passed 8 months later. I went into a hole after my mom's passing then after my dad I decided to make them proud of the person I will become. It's so difficult to not hear her voice on the other end of the phone. I totally understand

[@davidsizemore1452]

The pain makes us remember how much they loved us. My step dad passed away from cancer and for months I woke up at 4am an had coffee ready for him to go fishing

[@smstnitc]

My partner blocking any person on my phone without my knowledge or even mentioning it to me would be a terrible violation. This circumstances would probably have me paying child support on two children.

[@Kris-zy7is]

I honestly love how open and honest you are about grief. It’s difficult for me to articulate to others about my grief, after a sudden death 2 weeks ago. But hearing you be so comfortable to just share it with the world gave me comfort

[@Tammohawk1]

1. She definitely read it. She saw what it said and felt threatened by it. 2. I have clinical depression and anxiety disorder. I strongly feel that it is my job to take care of my mental health the same as my physical health. It's not fair to our loved ones to not seek treatment when we are having difficulties. At some point OP's husband needs to pull himself up by his boot straps and get on with life.

[@sablemoreno5095]

I'm sorry, but if a relationship is based on the foundation that my partner was jealous, conniving and insecure enough to DELETE and BLOCK someone without my knowledge I don't care if it's 5 or 500 years together. The foundation of the relationship is tainted and I would never be able to fully trust them again: either because I'm waiting for more trickle truth in the situation, for more manipulation and lies to come out, or expecting them to try and pull more stunts like that in the future. Op literally decided to put in blinders and I hope for their kids sake it really was a 1 time thing. But I would not be surprised if it came out to be the entire relationship has been various manipulations by the now wife. [I personally wouldn't stay even if there was going to be another kid soon involved. Couldn't stomach it or put in enough of a fake smile to give any semblance of being happy with them]

[@AshenTechDotCom]

were i can agree....i really cant fully trust anybody.... i know human nature too damn well.... trust is hard earned for me... even then im always alert for signs somethings off...

[@truthseeker9249]

I would be in prison for aggravated assault if my boyfriend pulled some snake sh*t like that on me. And he would never. He's an angel. And he would probably hit me too if I did that to him.

[@psyolytesaille]

I'd tell him open marriage where they're roommates to avoid child support for two. Already paying to catch up to the present, he doesn't deserve to being doing that twice.

[@groofromtheup5719]

If she was insecure enough to delete and block, she absolutely read it.

[@smiley4995]

Have fun in the divorce courts ig

[@JSainte17]

I would NEVER let my kid around OP's wife. Ever. Non-negotiable.

[@alr3764]

It really spoke to me when you were talking about life going on after someone dies. Even shortly after someone dies, you start to notice all the things they have already missed out on, but you should be grateful that you get to experience those things, even if they can't anymore.

[@k.a.4522]

Mark you always apologize for going off on tangents but do you know that THAT is why so many of us love you? Because you are ready, willing, and able to be vulnerable and open. That is special and deeply appreciated!!!

[@charliedelfino2102]

Story 1: I don't think you can remove parental rights and stop visitation while simultaneously asking for child support. OP could absolutely fight that in court.

[@ineedhoez]

Child support only stops when parent's rights are terminated. The woman is likely requesting full custody.

[@wangdangatomictango]

That was just so legitimately evil. Even if he wasn't the best boyfriend, but he could've been the best father (or just pay and stay away). His wife still had no right to take his options away from him. She decided *for* him to be an absent father. The ex really could've poisoned his child, his family, and his current child behind something she did. He should've made her take a lie detector test, as that would've been the only way to save him from being wrecked in the courts. He really shouldn't have stayed with his wife.

[@lucaswinsor4469]

Lie detector tests are notoriously inaccurate, and as a result are not considered in any kind of court case.

[@Vida7354]

Amen

[@WobblesandBean]

Lie detector tests are bullshi†. They don't actually do anything.

[@immortalsofar5314]

I don't believe for a moment that the wife would have deleted the email from his ex without reading it first and that kind of betrayal would have been unforgivable.

[@damien678]

I agree with you, however lie detector tests are notoriously for not being accurate and many courts don't accept their results as evidence

[@Merryfrances]

I’ll prob have to edit this later but…his wife supposedly deleted the text from the ex without reading it?? Is that even possible? Edit: 💯 do not believe the wife didn’t read the message. OP is in survival mode, rationalizing this away to keep his family in tact.

[@clarehidalgo]

@@aduckofsomesort Androids give you a preview of the message in your notifications that if you touch it takes you to the thread, you'd have to purposely go to messages and delete the thread itself to not mark the text as "read"

[@brigidtheirish]

Yes. It's possible. I do it all the time. Phone company sends these kinda spammy messages that I can't do anything about because I'm on my sister's plan, so when I see the phone company's name as the sender, I just select and delete. Yes, there's a scrolling preview. I don't read it. It's really not that hard. OP's now-wife probably just saw the sender, thought the ex was going to try getting back with OP, and went overboard *without reading the message.*

[@fluidwolf]

....yes it is possible. People do it all the time. There's been reddit stories where people mention doing that exact thing. Almost every phone I've owned in the last several decades lets you do this. I'm honestly kind of gobsmacked that people are acting like this is some sort of black magic

[@madisonl3401]

Omg thank you so much for posting that adorable picture of the Floof Nugget!!!!! That was amazing! You're so sweet 🥰

[@nightcorelucario2218]

Much love Mark. I've only had death impact me in recent and hard. It's rough but we have to move forward and stay strong for them and you've done so incredibly

[@vanzy01]

Story 1: op mom knew about the baby did her having a grandkid not come up in conversations the five years? I would personally be more pissed at the mom for not telling me any of this. As much as I think the ex-girlfriend should have tried harder to find him I could see why she didn't. She had a bad breakup and mostly didn't want to fight. What she should have done was petition the court for child support and he would have found out then.

[@jenniferkay9789]

I think he said it was recently, the ex contracted his mom, and she went off on him.

[@emcustard]

Story 1: I am a little confused as to why the ex didn’t try to get child support at any point during those first five years.

[@msladyboyd1]

Remember seeing message from ex-girl friend not only erased but blocked. Yeah, she read it and did it with no remorse.

[@redresearchanalyst]

It’s refreshing to read an adult, reasonable update. Was it really hard? I bet. Resentment is not productive, stagnates & fouls any positive outcome. Good luck op in all of your futures & congrats on your expanding family.

[@notaseal7864]

she 100 percent read that text 😂

[@macylouwho1187]

Oh she definitely read it, 100%. And deep down he knows that she did regardless of what he’s saying. He’s just choosing to forgive it and move on because it’s easier and cheaper than losing his new family and starting all over again with even more child support. Plus he loves her, so he’s choosing not to care. Don’t let him fool you, and he hasn’t fooled himself either. He’s just lying to cover for her because he doesn’t want to see more comments about how evil she is (she is evil, that’s so awful). That’s the part he can’t face and won’t deal with. Sunk cost fallacy, he’s in too deep now to jump ship now.

[@GeorgiaDLee]

OP and his wife deserve each other. A liar and a fool, together forever.

[@Sakuraqueen]

First story: She bloody well read!! OP is in self denial! I feel so sorry for his daughter. She is going to be a horrible step mother!

[@Russman67]

Story 2: As brutal as "Get over your dead mother" is, and it's brutal, no parent worth a damn would want their child to climb into the casket with them. They'd want their kids to go on and live a great life. The husband needs to figure out what the party is out of this depression and make efforts to make it happen, to honor his mother if for no other reason.

[@ravenfox926]

I lost my first son. I went into early labor at 29 weeks. They had to do an emergency c-section. He lived 18 hours. I was devastated and it took me 18 months to feel human again. Saying that, I did what I could to deal with that grief and did my best to not burden others - especially husband, who was also grieving. 11 months of feeling sorry for yourself at the expense of your job, friends and S.O. is just selfish.

[@k.a.4522]

From what I was told by a therapist, it takes on average 7 years to get over a death of a family member or a divorce after a long marriage. It took me 7 years to get over my decade long marriage ending, I cannot imagine what it would take to get over my beloveds right now.

[@k.a.4522]

#1 If she felt she could LOOK his phone and see who was sending him a chat; then she felt able to violate enough to read it. SHE READ IT!!! She will start to nag OP about not spending more time with the baby and why are you giving that to daughter #1 And why are you seeing her with her Mom, are you still into her? This WILL become a bigger shit show than it is.

[@sarahl88]

Someone who would delete and block messages sent to their partner without permission would absolutely read them first, it’s part of the same mindset. She devastated his life deliberately. He’s in denial.

[@mojavegreen2072]

Story 2: there is grief and there is just wallowing in self-pity.

[@astronautviolet153]

Story 1 I feel sorry for op it sounds like he would have been a good dad and hopefully the children will still want a relationship with him.

[@Opalescant_moon]

The wife probably thought the ex was lieing to get op back and saw her as a threat so she deleted the message and blocked her. She just doesn't want to look like an asshole so she's saying she didn't read it. Wife is facing the concequences of her actions and doesn't like it.

[@sapiwette]

I lost one of my ferrets this week. To some people animals are just that, animals. But to me, he was my baby. It was unexpected and I'm devastated. I feel constantly torn between my rational need to live on, get up, go to work, take care of the living ferrets in my life, take care of myself, socialize etc. and my emotional side that wants everything to stop and just let the pain overwhelm me until I crumble and shut off. It's my thirst grief in a year: I've lost my dad and my grandpa, and now my little one. It's very hard not to let grief take over and had I not been surrounded by loving, patient and caring people I probably would have sunk.

[@noydb-1]

I don't know, but I keep hearing a voice saying "Oh no you don't b*tch, I stole him fair and square, and you ain't baby trapping him away from me." But maybe she was the one woman who wouldn't read the email first to make sure he was or wasn't cheating on her with an ex.

[@whiskeyontherocks]

Grief does strange thigs to you and how you grieve is different. When my dad died in an accident almost 18 years ago my and my family's life changed in a second. You stop grieving eventually but you never stop missing. Having said that it's not healthy to stay in your grief, dig yourself deeper and deeper in grief and eventually not being able to get out. You have to move on, day by day step by step

[@JP-eh4ee]

If she just deleted a message I would have believed it, but she BLOCKED her. So I can't believe it.

[@Malia504]

In the first story the husband and wife had been together less then 9 months when she deleted and blocked the ex without talking to him about it…. Also there is no way she didn’t read it.

[@HiiYuna]

She 100% read that message. This is also the exact reason why she blocked the ex, she didn't want her relationship with the guy to change.

[@kaitohkid7229]

She totally read it thinking it was a ploy to get him back.

[@lynncoady6737]

Mark I always love hearing your perspective on things.

[@reneeweinheimer7519]

Thankyou for what you said in the last minutes of the video about grief. When you said "everyone grieves differently" I admit I scoffed and muttered "bullshit" under my breath because like you I'm also pragmatic about death. I was resentful though because the people I'm closest to, who spouted that same sentiment, turned on each when death happened in reality. Let's just say being told that my reaction was 'weird' was the nicest thing some said. Three years later and my previously very close nit family is still somewhat estranged due to words and actions that happened when we were all 'grieving differently'. But I like what you said about being in a position to help others through it. I just failed miserably.

[@shellchenonceau6987]

Those loved ones who crossed over SEE EVERYTHING you celebrate/do in life!!! The proof is out there. They do so from spirit. Hope that's comforts someone out there.