Wife Keeps Saying She's Places That She Isn't As I Have A Tracker On Her Car r/Relationships

[@ggdail]

Story 1: OP: I have photos of you cheating on me! OP's wife: who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?

[@zombieg4206]

lamo

[@sandracox4341]

I can hear John Wayne saying that to Maureen O'Hara in McQlintok. 😂

[@saraelisabeth9038]

Story 1: even with the pictures she denied? Does she think because it’s a woman it’s not cheating or something? I think it’s enough evidence for divorce

[@robertx8020]

Yep If she was 'just a friend' then why do they never seem to meet at OP's house? I wouldn't be surprised if OP's wife (or maybe ex by this time) is lying to that person as why they can't meet at their place!

[@Iflie]

It's easier to deny when it's another woman and maybe the other woman is married to because this is a great deal of organisation when you can just be openly friends and no one would bat an eye over it. Just meet during afternoons and meet the kids and she could tell her husband exactly who she was meeting and when. It's the lying and hiding that exposes them. You don't go pick up your friend at an anonymous place.

[@SailorMya]

Right, if it was innocent then there is no reason for hiding everything. She could have just said they were friends and that would be it but is sounds like she doesn't want her side piece to know anything about her life and vice versa. She is pulling the strings here and thought she was sneaker then she is...

[@WobblesandBean]

I don't think it's cuz the AP is a woman, I think it's just because cheaters are objectively horrible people who bend over backwards to deny any wrongdoing. They refuse to acknowledge that they're doing bad things.

[@KCCAT5]

That's typical of the narcissist they deny even with proof right in front of them and then they turn it around and blame you

[@madgevanness4011]

2nd: all the people saying he should take the guy trip and needs his own break: if you don’t like drinking, bar hopping and lewd entertainment, maybe that isn’t the kind of break he needs. It’s even possible that spending time with his children IS the kind of break he wants. And to do this guy trip thing and nothing for the women in the company, suggests that the company owes the women a spa weekend or alternative activities during the company weekend.

[@SuperYoshi29]

Yes!!! 100% agree. Not everyone enjoys drinking, bar hopping or even fishing. It’s not the worst thing if the company changes it up and doesn’t sponsor an activity that apparently only benefits a few select men.

[@saratronus]

a-fucking-men to that

[@shhd2105]

Right like that might not be relaxing to him and not everyeon feels like spending time with their kids is a chore

[@saratronus]

@@aduckofsomesort omg same i love soiling the living hell out of my fur babies

[@stirrednotshaken4823]

@@shhd2105 yea, he sounds like a responsible man and probably sees it as his responsibility to make sure these men don’t get into trouble. And we all know drunk men get into all kinds of trouble…fights, hitting on and hooking up with women, driving drunk, etc. I can see where that wouldn’t be a pleasant time for someone like him!

[@janglesthearsonist5265]

My friend is P.I.. According to him the job involves going through people's garbage alot, using publicly available resources online that the typical person wouldn't be aware of to find information, and using social media but on occasion he gets to tail someone or capture stills and video. He's told me that he feels most days his job title should be Waste Investigator.

[@antithoughtpolice7497]

A PI once posted how the person he was following wasn't cheating: just buying meals and eating them in the car XD

[@LoveableNiki]

@@antithoughtpolice7497 That would be what a PI would catch me doing. Hahaha

[@theyellowshoe]

Story 1, I caught my husband cheating, he even joined a few dating websites! Hard evidence & he still denied! Yep I checked out!

[@ArcaneNim]

Congrats on getting out. Hope your life has gotten better.

[@Bleg94]

I don't get how cheater can deny their cheating even with evidence involved, even when catching them in the act they are like "It's not what it looks like"

[@philwill0123]

@@Bleg94 look at politicians. Even when evidence proved they have done something, they deny the hell out of it, in case there is any space for plausible deniability I.e unless there is video evidence of those in the act, they are going to claim everything is innocent.

[@lisakaz35]

Story 1 sounds like closet lesbian gaslighter.

[@robertx8020]

;) NICE PHRASE :)

[@allykingston4429]

Sounds like she's lying to herself, too

[@pansprayers]

I'm sorry, but 'fishing with the bros from work' with Wednesday bar hopping (under the guise of 'team building') is my husband's definition of a nightmare. It's not team bonding if the whole team isn't involved. OP isn't the AH for leveling the playing field.

[@MorganVsTheInternet]

They give off the “ we hate our wives” vibe.

[@pansprayers]

@@MorganVsTheInternet more like 'life check list' vibes. I know people like this - they love their families, but in a weird, distant, compartmentalized way. It's hard to explain, even harder to be around for longer than 8 minutes.

[@zerobolt9506]

@@MorganVsTheInternet agreed

[@Flakey101]

@@moon-moth1 You are wrong in that since the boss actually agreed the family camping is a better idea.

[@gaara8217]

Either way there will be no team bonding cuz the girls dislike the boys.

[@JennyWas13]

As a female in the corporate world, the fact that females are excluded from the trip is enough reason to decline- OP should keep being a good bloke

[@jamessweat9168]

Yep the best options for everyone is a festival or water park all day night thing. It's something for everyone.

[@WobblesandBean]

This is why I got the hell out of the video games industry. Exclusion like this was commonplace, and I often got shut out from things because I was a woman.

[@jennstewart3003]

They weren't directly excluded but they clearly knew they were not welcome.

[@gaara8217]

Didn't op say the females also enjoy fishing?

[@gaara8217]

@@WobblesandBean .. do u even have a life outside of work in that field?

[@AndyyWithAY]

I never understand how parents make time for this type of shady stuff. Like spend time with your kids, get a hobby, watch some Netflix. There's so many other things to do besides cheat.

[@ajzephyros7454]

They cheat because they WANT to, not because they're bored

[@robertx8020]

@@ajzephyros7454 this

[@heathermiller5765]

@@ajzephyros7454 Well it could be a bit of both

[@sarahwilson2409]

I agree I don’t understand how people find the time to cheat, I don’t even have enough time to myself with work my kids and my partner, and then my friends, other family members and my dog and the backlog of telly me and my fella want to watch they definitely have a lot more energy than me.

[@robertx8020]

@@sarahwilson2409 I guess if you really wanted to then you would find the time e.g. You can find someone to watch your kids while you are gone

[@atinyevil1383]

Story 2: OP is being a responsible adult, not a frat boy like the rest of the guys in his office. An office trip shouldn't exclude other people in the office. NTA.

[@Becks-and-books]

And LOL at the coworkers believing they have a shot at college aged people 😂

[@amerhamad4577]

@@Becks-and-books they actually do. They have money.

[@Doublemonk0506]

Story 3: to everyone who is saying "but what happens when DIL dies", look at how the British crown was passed around over the years. If a king died without an heir, the crown would go back a generation and check it anyone was eligible for the crown. If not, go back another generation and check if anyone's eligible

[@jillrichards4176]

I have an issue with the boys weekend trip. I was married to a man that, once a yeamr him and a group of his male friends from high school would take one of these weekends. It had been going on for decades when it was discovered that all of the married men cheated while on these. They thought they were being slick until one of them contracked an STD and gave it to his wife. There are so many red flags going off in that story that brings back bad memories of the lies. Some of the couples got therapy but a few ended their marriages ( some were over together for over 25 years)

[@annceres1204]

Yeah, the fact that it was next to a college gave me red flags about the trip. If I were a married man I would not want to be on that trip purely for the fact that I might be mocked for not wanting to cheat on my wife.

[@gcarr1089]

Story 2 - sounds like the holiday was a way for the guys to cheat on their partners without getting caught, they can still fish and drink with the family there just can't cheat.

[@victorchozen4205]

Alot of people need a break without their family. If its once a year then this fishing trip is a good idea. Family doesn't have to come everywhere

[@gcarr1089]

@@victorchozen4205 wouldn't it be less stressful to take time away with family than people you work with every day.

[@victorchozen4205]

@@gcarr1089 idk. I liked my colleagues when I worked in Korea and me and the guys always did stuff together all the time. The girl coworkers planned spa days etc. Of course I spend time with my family but its good to hang with the boys once in a while. I don't go out inviting myself to my wife's all female events. No thank you.

[@chelseylacombe3909]

@@victorchozen4205 but they go out for drinks once a week, doesn’t that count as taking a break from family?

[@sleepyearth]

@@victorchozen4205 Yea they do. So do their wives and who the hell calls spending time with their children as babysitting. If they don't want to be a father then they should close their legs.

[@altavwyk8593]

It sounds to me OP only sugested the family weekend after the guys could not stop making fun of him for not going. They got what was coming to them.

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

Exactly.

[@squirrel670]

Like, how was he supposed to know everyone else who mattered also hated it and he would replace the other guy as planner for suggesting what he would rather in order to go

[@jkashavah855]

@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 poo lis lol ll lol lol pop pp

[@Sandstimes]

​@@squirrel670 "everyone else who mattered" is only a handful of guys in the office, it sounds like Only they disliked it. If they want a boys trip it shouldn't be on company money, that should be for a trip that everyone can participate in

[@Misspellednumbers]

Story 2: OP just sounds like a family man. Sure, he should take time to himself, but he also recognizes why he disagrees with this trip and wouldn't go: excludes female coworkers, just a weekend of drunkenness, etc. Which, imo, is a fair reason not to go and "have time for yourself."

[@lynnw7155]

I agree, OP sounds like an awesome family man. But to answer OP's question, I wonder if he was called 'whipped' because of the way he phrased it..."I can't go with you because I have to stay home and do x, y, and z for my wife". The fact that the other wives wanted that kind of treatment implied that he did go into detail. I always hated when my husband got out of visiting his parents (which he hated doing) by saying he "had to do something" for me (which he didn't, it was just an excuse). They always thought I was controlling because of stuff like that, and I didn't appreciate it. OP could have just said he'd rather spend time with his family.

[@stirrednotshaken4823]

Yea, OP said they call it a stag weekend and near a college age vacation spot. Sounds like these grown ass men want to get drunk and try for a chance to hook up with college girls with their wives nowhere in sight! They don’t want the female coworkers around giving them disapproving looks so they purposely chose a trip that is unappetizing for them 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@pansprayers]

@@lynnw7155 naw, he could have simply said, 'I don't want to spend that much time away from my family' and they would've called him names. Hell, my husband's been called whipped for saying, 'sorry, I'm a recovering alcoholic of 20 years, I'm not going out for drinks'. There's a default in some of these work environments with Checklist Bros (wife, house, kids, career? CHECK OUT on the weekends) that immediately goes to 'blame the spouse' no matter what you say.

[@zerobolt9506]

Agreed

[@marshawargo7238]

@@pansprayers Saying whipped they aren't blaming the wife, they are using a derogatory & degrading term to embarrass OP into going. By saying he's in a controlled relationship & "his wife wears the pants" they think he'll get on board.

[@AndyyWithAY]

Story 3 OP is halfway through her post and I already know she's TA. It does not matter why a woman does not want to have babies. She doesn't have to have them. She's completely unreasonable and just insufferable. I'm sure Olivia is a great person because OP has such inane gripes about her. It's not even OP's ring! She's just a temporary steward. It's loaned property. It makes sense that Olivia does not want someone who hates her in HER house when her husband is not there. Why does OP even want to go around. She's such a pain

[@khaleesireyna731]

Ngl, the name Olivia and the OPs boundary stomping ways made me think of Olivia Plath and the family in Welcome to Plathville... Tell me the OP doesn't sound like Kim Plath (the mom)...

[@ajvanmarle]

But you see, that woman doesn't enjoy knitting and watching TV series with her mother-in-law! Can you imagine something so monstrous?

[@willo8856]

Doesn't really mater who is the AH. the family tradition is finished. and the father hasn't even realized.

[@damienenzo2085]

​@@willo8856Big facts!

[@steampunkpixie2643]

I kind of wonder if the story is made up.

[@Mewse1203]

Story 2: NTAA That trip was wholly inappropriate to begin with by excluding the female employees, but to say OP is "whipped" is both disgusting and disrespectful. OP is a reasonable person and the guys can plan their trip outside of company time. This was an EEOC issue at the very least, and any legal shenanigans on the trip would be on the company. Esit after 1st comment: I don't think this one is too controversial. OP does need time for himself but that wasn't the major problem with the trip.

[@Bonaduece]

Yeah, taking time for yourself has basically nothing to do with a work trip. Even if you like your coworkers, and would enjoy the planned activities, which it definitely doesn't sound like OP does.

[@jamessweat9168]

Both trip ideas are awful. The second trip singles out well singles and child free co workers. And the first was just awful for just being a thing for male co workers. It's a no win situation there will be people singled out in any trip plan.

[@pansprayers]

@@jamessweat9168 did you deliberately gloss over the edit where OP stated that there were also plans/accomodation for the child free and singles? No trip is going to be 100% perfect, but this is at *least* a compromise. I hate camping by default, and my kids are all over 21 (and I generally have zero desire to be around other people's), but this at least would give my husband and I a chance to decline, instead of being unilaterally excluded. Pick your battles.

[@zerobolt9506]

Agreed

[@zerobolt9506]

@@pansprayers I think they did, I was just about to ask the same question you did

[@MsTemptation]

S2: NTA. Wow, nice to hear from a real man who believes in taking care of his family. It’s also okay to take some time for yourself. Take your wife on dates and spend some time together without the kids. The butthurt guys at your office need to think less like morons and more like true family men. Any father who sees himself as a baby sitter when it comes to taking care of his own kids doesn’t deserve to be a father.

[@Pastel_Dreams]

Ikr? Unfortunately, too many "man-children" don't know what it means to be a real man and see OP as a "sissy" for not being a gross a-holes 😑😑😑

[@Tammohawk1]

1. One should always trust their instincts. They are almost always right. 2. The only reason I have a problem with the fishing trip is because it's not inclusive to all employees, only the men. And only because the company is paying for it. If it were just the guys at work getting together to do their own thing, sure. But it's not. Some places has laws about that. 3. Can you say Just No Mother In Law? I think you can... Wow.

[@TheArmyOfGoats]

Breaking the rules of an heirloom?!?! Do you want ghosts?!? Because that’s how you get ghosts..

[@kali3731]

😂

[@pickle_pup8187]

Story 2 - the original outing left out the women and OP has saved the company from being sued for discriminatory policies/activities or company sanctioned events.

[@ajzephyros7454]

The wife might be Gay or Bi, but that's no excuse to cheat

[@robertx8020]

Is there ever a reason to cheat?

[@ettinakitten5047]

I have mixed feelings about this. Yes, cheating is wrong regardless, but people questioning their sexuality can end up doing things they'd never do otherwise, just because they're so confused and mixed-up. I will say that "once a cheater always a cheater" definitely doesn't hold up nearly as much for someone whose AP is a different gender than their SO. Very often someone like that could potentially be a great, loyal partner once they figure themselves out.

[@zeak278]

​@@ettinakitten5047 🗿

[@jessical4866]

Why are so many commenters insistent that 2nd OP doesn’t understand his wife? From all the wives’ responses, he’s the only one who gets them and their needs. He’s the one who wants the husbands to step up, not leave the women behind for a weekend, and be a dad to their kids. Man, OP even considered the singles in the group! Unless OP’s wife says she’s unhappy with their family, I can only see him as a responsible father and caring husband.

[@lalithrockz]

Basically it's not his place to tell them what to do. They are wrong to only have men on the trip but if they don't want family around to an employee trip that's also fine.

[@gaara8217]

I am single and I like to fish, so op's suggestion won't work for me..

[@NottyAries]

​@@lalithrockzhe didn't tell them what to do. They bullied him nonstop and he responded. The manager overheard and agreed. They dug their own grave.

[@tamsel814]

story 3: OP sounds like a nightmare mother in law. In regard to the story: the ring was passed down from the husbands family, he should at least have a say in where it goes. Expecially as it sounds like he is the legal owner of the ring and not OP.

[@amerlin388]

Doubtful he is the legal owner. It was given to OP per the tradition. She's free to modify the tradition as she sees fit. Darth MIL: "I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it any further."

[@beatpeitsi6853]

@@amerlin388 Then I guess OP might unilaterally change the tradition by just keeping it herself altogether

[@Weirdandwonderfull19]

Wow, story 3 is a story that makes you exhale sharply at the end 😂. I find it slightly embarrassing for OP to not realise how judgemental she is 😲. I wouldn't want her as a MIL 😱

[@heathermiller5765]

At the end? For me it was just seconds in, oh my goodness, I wouldn't either 😯

[@13thMaiden]

My only irritation at all the replies was one stating Allison must be a plain Jane. Kinda freaking rude since from what we can tell Olivia just had nothing in common and wants to be childless while Allison shares the same and wants babies. I don't read jealousy over Olivia, I read helicopter Karen parent who thinks she knows best, and clearly to her the one similar her is most deserving. Maybe it's also cause Allison is willing to have babies so this lady thinks it will stay in the line and since she thinks so little of Olivia, that Olivia will make off with it when the husband dies. Either way, it's as her husband says, he controls the ring, not her, she's literally doing what she's probably scared Olivia will do. She's seriously a JNMIL in this case, big time.

[@sandracox4341]

@@13thMaiden, the way Mil says Olivia doesn't want to ruin her body and a few other comments makes it appear that Olivia has a shapley body and is good looking. Everything Mil says sounds like jealousy. 🤷‍♀️

[@willo8856]

Doesn't really mater who is the AH. the family tradition is finished. and the father hasn't even realized.

[@jennajackson3912]

It's sad. I have this as a whatever you would call her. She's not a step-mom she's just his dad's wife. He doesn't like her, I don't like her and we like it that way.

[@bioshockbrat9171]

Story 2: if dad doesn't wanna go, he doesn't have to. He's happy with his family, and loves being around them, to the point of making sure each spouse has me time, and support. The cments about being whipped is BS, this isn't high school. You can have fun with your family and co-workers

[@MsUnamusedNerd]

STORY 3: *YTA* The line that cemented my verdict was when she said Olivia‘s reasoning for not wanting to have kids were selfish. OP you are not entitled for a daughter-in-law to be a baby maker so you can have grandchildren. Considering in today’s society a woman’s body is easily devalued DURING pregnancy because she’s not skinny and hot by societal standards. So Olivia statement that she doesn’t want her body to be destroyed makes sense as that’s a common insecurity. Seriously the amount of women that feel like they need to go on extreme exercise routines and diets to lose weight during their THIRD trimester is ridiculous. Not to mention how many expecting fathers will post pictures or videos bashing their baby mama’s body for being too fat and saggy and continue to talk shit about how she looks after giving birth if she doesn’t “bounce back” OP is literally the star of her very own Just no MIL story.

[@Streetwisefirst]

I was thinking not wanting to loose your body shape is a legitimate reason not to want to have kids. As your body does change and to add on the complications that can come with pregnancy.

[@MsUnamusedNerd]

@@Streetwisefirst that’s what I’m saying. A woman shouldn’t be forced to have kids especially if her mother-in-law is dependent on her to become a grandma. People always say “get a C-section then“ like that’s going to help??? The body is still going to change through pregnancy it’s not the action of giving birth because of someone to lose their body shape.

[@ilbercgross4736]

I have not even made through the whole story and OP is the complete arsehole.

[@robertx8020]

tbh EVEN if the reason was totally unreasonable, it still wouldn't matter because in the end, the only things that matter are 1)Both partners decided to be childfree 2)it is none of MIL's business! So every argument about her body is only important if OP thinks it is important! In the end OP needs no reasons, just "we /I want no kids is enough! "

[@AngelaVEdwards]

Yeah the whole issue about what a pregnancy does to the body IS a good reason to decide not to do it. I never had kids of my own because my husband had two grown daughters and had a vasectomy years ago but I was never a good pregnancy risk in the first place. I’m hypoglycemic with blood sugar readings in the 20s at times (yes, really) and my mom warned me my entire life to get under a doctor’s care BEFORE ever getting pregnant. Some people may not choose to take the pregnancy risks and that’s fine.

[@AnymousScreams]

The second OP is awesome, in my opinion. He should take time for himself, yes, but he's not excluding the women he works with. How is it men call watching their own kids as "babysitting?" Yes, OP has five kids at a young age. The co-workers don't need to go, or can go somewhere else that weekend. Child free co-workers and the women he works with can even go on the trip he suggested. OP is clearly a family man, and he respects his wife. I think the trip suggestion to replace the fishing trip isn't an awful idea. Other co-workers can go to that one.

[@pansprayers]

They're just mad that they can't have 'bro time' on the company dime anymore under the guise of 'team bonding'. Too bad for them.

[@AnymousScreams]

That's what I thought.

[@pansprayers]

@@AnymousScreams unfortunately, I am far too familiar with these types of environments. Nothing more exasperating than my husband refusing to break his sobriety over the 'Office Bros Booze Fest', and them saying it's because I'm controlling.

[@AnymousScreams]

That's awful.

[@Resilient_Sage88]

"Guys trip" just sounds like an excuse to hit on College age women and referring to looking after their own children as 'babysitting' is gross. You helped make them, you're not "babysitting" you're being a parent. Good on OP for wanting to include everyone else. He might benefit from some solo recreation, but then he could also be the type of person who feels relaxed when other people get to relax. Sounds like a quality husband and father. MIL from hell doesn't get to decide who "deserves" the ring as it's the husband's family heirloom. Not hers. Also your daughter in law doesn't exist to be an incubator for your potential grand children. Fifty bucks says she makes passive aggressive remarks every time she comes to that son's house about the house, what Daughter in law makes for a meal, not having grandchildren. Blah blah blah. She seems like that type. I wouldn't want her in my house either.

[@captainclown2718]

Story 2: I am not even judging this I just want to say that I would rather spend a weekend in the deepest depths of hell than attend either of those trips. I have been avoiding unecessary trips and "bonding activities" like that ever since sixth grade and I regret nothing. Unless they pay me overtime I sure as sh*t won't waste my weekend like that. I know I might sound like a very unpleasant person right now but that is only because I am one...

[@tiryaclearsong421]

Same. I would rather go camping or fishing with my own significant other and/or friends than go on a stupid "work bonding" camping or fishing trip with people I already see at least 8 hours a day 5 days a week. That sounds awful.

[@sleepyearth]

They spent every week drinking but one weekend is gonna kill them. Jesus and men are such emotionally unstable creatures.

[@ronhall5395]

Agree hate those things, even when they do them during normal work hours.screw them. Come on kids, lets all go camping.

[@n3rdv10l3nc3]

I mean, OP said the trip is paid. I'm not sure I'd turn down a vacation someone else paid for, that I'm also getting paid to attend. I can put up with my coworkers -- most of whom I at least tolerate -- and their kids for a weekend of free food, free activities, and unlabored pay. I also consider myself an unpleasant person but I suppose there's layers to this

[@shannonbullock2202]

I read the thumbnail and immediately had and idea. If my fiance kept lying about where he was I'd find out why and then wait until he's somewhere he couldn't easily explain, "steal" his (our) truck with the extra key and park it at a friend's. It's always funny watching a liar short circuit when they are screwed. They do and say the most insane crap if u pretend u know nothing while asking them suspecting questions and accepting their absurd answers lol. A video of that would be priceless!!

[@mellalena]

When you’re to the point where you’re even considering putting a tracker on your wife’s car, I think it’s time to go to counselling or even just break up honestly. No proof of cheating necessary when the trust has already eroded that much…

[@cheskydivision]

As far as the work trip, I think it’s more concerning that it’s just a guys weekend for drinking and possibly more that excludes the female workers and yes also takes men away from their families on their off days. It’s just a job funded boys club. It’s great to hear of a man that values family time and respects his spouse.

[@ronhall5395]

A chance for debauchery with out consequences. Skip that trip.

[@pumpkinspice7279]

Can I just say I really appreciate you putting the thumbnail story almost always first? I hate when other readers put it in the middle and I can’t find it. Thank you

[@guntgunderson2829]

The ring story: so then if Olivia isn’t going to have kids, who gets the ring? So the tradition is just allowed to die?

[@SuperSpecies]

Exactly

[@Streetwisefirst]

Story 3: I see why DIL doesn’t like her MIL. She is very judgmental of her DIL. How she dresses, that fact that she doesn’t want kids. Also OP admits not liking DIL so why would you want to go to their house and sit and wait for her son to come home. Awkward. I can take a wild guess that OP shows up uninvited. I wouldn’t want this women as my MIL she sounds unbearable.

[@owl7072]

Story 2: NTA and considering that the men complaining see watching their own kids as "babysitting" I think they should be spending more time _with_ them rather than _away_ from them 🤔 maybe it'll make them appreciate their damn family more 🤨 what Op is doing sounds really nice Story 3: Op is she actually as bad as you say or do you not have a relationship because you let your complete and utter disdain for her not wanting kids among other things show every time she's so much as in the same building as you 😬 cause if the way you talk about her here is anything like how you talk or act around her irl I wouldn't want anything to do with you either

[@carolroberts4614]

That YTA on story 2 seemed to forget there were ladies in that office too! Who'd been ignored for years! The men can have a. fishing trip and pay for it themselves! Why shouldn't everyone benefit from the company shindig?

[@Mewse1203]

Story 1: unless OP is super controlling, her excuse about the incident with the nanny makes no sense. If she'd been honest, there would likely have not been an issue. The fact she wasn't and is going to the same place is super suspicious. Edit after first PI update: is OP discounting the LGBT angle? "There's no guy involved" means nothing... Edit 2: she was confronted with pictures, denied it, and then tried to make him feel bad. That's guilty behavior. She can say "just a friend" but OP would know if she kisses her friends the way he saw in the picture.

[@MydieLy]

Weeell.. his first go-to after suspicion is ordering a gps tracker. That is fairly high on my Personal controlling scale^^

[@rubymeaddle]

@@MydieLy right? Ngl if you're abusive idgaf if your victim cheats 🤣

[@Mewse1203]

@@MydieLy that's why I threw that in there. It felt like there was some missing context but nothing I couldn't point to beyond the GPS.

[@definitelyarealperson248]

Yeah. It felt weird that he discounted the lgbtq angle. Like she could be bi or something similar, so it’s not like it has to mean she has no attraction towards him. Even if he wouldn’t have taught about it, surely the P.I would have mentioned it being a possibility. Nevermind, i got later in the video.

[@MrNotBot]

@@MydieLy If that is controlling then please provide a more reasonable way of confirming or denying the suspicions of cheating that wouldn't be controlling. Because I can't think of any.

[@Cel3ere5]

Never been paid as an official private investigator, but I've been asked to specifically track down paperwork and people. It's not that hard to do yourself, lol. So, part of me is like "Do it yourself, OP." However with OP, I don't know if I could do that sort of thing over a suspicion, but he seems convinced already. Like, one foot out the door already.

[@RobertCampsall]

Elephant in the room - Olivia is child-free. What happens next? Guess what - Olivia and son will probably sell it. It's odd they go on about "you wanting to break a 200 hundred year old tradition" when, by giving the ring to Olivia, they are guaranteeing that tradition ends.

[@nightra1dr]

I agree. Some people say it could go to other son's kid but like you said they could just as easily sell it. The OP is still definitely the AH for her reasoning and misogynistic mindset in regards to a woman being selfish for not having kids, but giving it to Olivia might end the tradition either way

[@micahpatchen1538]

story 3: I wouldn't want to have OP in my house either if I don't have a relationship with her. and also...heirlooms....the tradition, the pomp/circumstance usually leads to more problems that will override the memory/joy of getting the piece.

[@Nihlus16]

Story 3: Jeesus Christmas that OP sounds aboslutely awful, poor Olivia, I'm glad she has her father-in-law on her side! Anyways, hi Mark! I hope you and Poppy are doing well! My sis and I are trying to write a horror story together and so we took a break to listen to your video while we edit. Much love! ✨💜

[@starbird3939]

Story 3 - I only heard the first paragraph and I immediately knew YTA It is pretty obvious that OP is a snippy, judgey meangirl.

[@MrsGump]

Ive whinged about how much I DESPISE the ending song a couple of times in diff vid comments (haven't missed a vid yet!!), how irritating that I now find myself singing along 😂 DAMN YOU MARK 🤣🤣🤣

[@GellaHumbug59]

I’ve always loved the outro song, and spent time figuring out the lyrics so I could sing along, even just silently. But I still laughed out loud at your post, because I totally get why the song might irritate people!! Ha ha.

[@madisonl3401]

Love these stories! Thank you so much! 🥰

[@MarkNarrations]

As always, a pleasure Madison :)

[@Tammohawk1]

My day will be complete now that I've listened to you tell us stories. edit: Had the most delicious waffle the other night. I bought some yummy apricot preserves and smothered my waffle with it. I need another one.

[@kathleenmcfarlane2555]

Hey Mark. I'm a nurse and I listen to you while I chart. You calm my mind so that I can focus and chart.

[@jojomomster3772]

I grew up going on family adventure after family adventure with work colleagues of my dad. He was always hosting new people and families and making them feel welcome. No regrets for any of this.

[@MorganVsTheInternet]

2- OP didn’t cancel anything he included EVERYONE into a work trip that was excluding people. His male coworker are mad he canceled their bro trip.

[@ruddiko]

Considering how nosy you always say you are and that you love it, either PI or bartending would make you really happy

[@mbyerly9680]

A standard trick that seems to work is a voice-activated recorder inside the car, but, since the wife has a routine with her lover, that may not help. And, no, being a PI isn't an interesting job, particularly if cheating spouses is a specialty. It's either research and deep diving into a person's life, or sitting in a car for hours hoping for something to happen. And having a same sex affair is still an affair. OP needs to dump her ass.

[@NightcoreNewbie]

Story 1. You don't kiss friends, most likely on the lips, unless in a relationship. OP's wife is cheating for sure and I'm not sure why she's denying it even with pictures. She's probably experimenting with the woman to see if she really wants to come out or just go back to her husband. Either way, OP should just divorce her just for the lying alone.

[@TheFlowerchild712]

I didn't even get past the first paragraph to know that OP in story 3 to know what kind of person she is. She likes Alison because Alison is a doormat and hates Olivia because Olivia won't take her BS. She's TA in so many ways other than the heirloom.

[@GIChiyo]

Story 2: yeah that was 100% a cheating trip...

[@magagail]

“We seem to have a huge crochet community” as I look down at the shawl I’m crocheting lmao

[@amerlin388]

Hmm... is crochety the word I'm thinking of? LOL.

[@pansprayers]

My God, did my MIL write that third post? Mine has mellowed TF out over the last two decades, but sh*t, having flashbacks.

[@gabrielelizabeth9433]

Story 2: I don't get all the Yta verdicts. That man made very good, well thought out points for the new work "bonding trips". If the male coworkers are butthurt it's their fault for pushing OP. He repeatedly said no to bar hopping etc. He shouldn't be forced to conform, to what they think is the norm. Not everyone enjoys that kind of atmosphere. He is being an awesome man/husband in my opinion. I didn't see anywhere to admonish him about having his own me time. Sounds to me he genuinely enjoys spending time with his kids. He mentioned taking his kids fishing himself. Anyways firm NTA, plus he found a way to include the rest of the coworkers, which should have been fixed at the start.

[@rollerdavem]

Story 3. Child-free means no descendants, no heirlooms. Dead-end. Though I suppose if they have no kids, it could be arranged to jump to the second son's first daughter in law.

[@junebug6432]

Another beautiful day for another Mark Narrations video

[@MarkNarrations]

Thank you so much June, hope you're well!

[@WobblesandBean]

Story 2 is why I'm childfree. Like hell I'm going to be saddled with a misogynistic POS who views being a dad as "babysitting" and tries to get away from his wife and kids as much as possible, let alone trying to exclude all women from a work event. It's astonishing what men will do and say when they are in the presence of only other men, when they feel "safe" to speak their true minds on things.

[@kensprivateinvestigation2128]

Story 1: as a PI, this reaction to getting caught if very common. I had gotten video of a clients wife preform pornstar level sex with another man and she still denied cheating, and blamed the client for spying. Also, I get asked this alot. Going rate for a PI in my area is about $100/hr (i work in eastern Pennsylvania)

[@zeak278]

$100/hr!? You better be ex CIA with full access to spi satellites! That's freaking wild!

[@kensprivateinvestigation2128]

@@zeak278 the $100/hr(now $125) is industry standard, and is only for when we are actively out following people. If it's something like gps tracking, $50 per day to monitor and an attach/detach fee of $125. The costs are mostly to cover licensing and insurance costs.

[@maemae527]

I had a teacher who was a PI, they said it wasn’t exciting, mainly catching cheaters

[@audreyulrich9214]

Op in story 3 was totally an AH, but that comment saying the other daughter-in-law was a plain Jane because mother-in-law approved of her (and that she would hang out and knit with her) was also an AH. Just because a woman chooses to take on more feminine hobbies and wear more conservative clothing doesn’t automatically make her any plainer or less attractive then a woman who doesn’t mind showing it off. What matters here is if she has the choice. Let’s not force either extreme.

[@srkh8966]

That plain Jane quotation was sarcastic-but as the MIL describes the second daughter in law as “appropriate”, she must at least dress in a way that meets some kind of subversive approval

[@audreyulrich9214]

@@srkh8966 regardless putting other women’s styles down to encourage other women’s’ styles is super rude and counterproductive. Plus we really don’t know what the commenter meant by their comment. Whether sarcastic or serious, it was still derisive.

[@rollerdavem]

Story 2 awesome, dude! I wouldn't care for that so-called "stag weekend" either.

[@Becks-and-books]

Story 2 yes OP might fare well with time for himself, but he might get more out of being with his kids on weekends and that revives him. People get energy from different places, and other people shouldn’t moralize about how another cares for themselves. It would be one thing if OP expressed any feelings of stress or hardship, but he seems pretty stable and content. He also didn’t take something away from people, he made it more inclusive for everyone at the work place. The men are mad boys’ club is over and that one of the men doesn’t think they’re cool for being “manly men”. Sounds like they believe that they’d have a shot with college aged girls/boys and that’s just cringe

[@livewellwitheds6885]

story 2, op sounds awesome. he sounds very caring and considerate of his wife and female coworkers. I don't think he is neglecting his needs & if anything, it seems like he would enjoy the family friendly trip more than the old boys trip. NTA!

[@EmmyRae1885]

Story 2: I think a lot of the YTA votes are ignoring that this trip excludes all the women in the office, and that's really shitty. OP came up with an idea that includes everyone

[@marcissmiley3131]

It doesn’t exclude the women they just don’t want to go fishing please learn some reading comprehension not everything in this world is sexist

[@EmmyRae1885]

@@marcissmiley3131 did you miss the part where one of the women loves fishing and is glad she can comfortably go on the trip now?

[@marcissmiley3131]

@@EmmyRae1885 there was nothing stopping them going on the fishing trip, if you don’t feel comfortable going somewhere it doesn’t mean that you aren’t welcomed.

[@stirrednotshaken4823]

I want to know if the work paid trip is the same every year. Is it fishing every year? Do they do switch it up from year to year? He stated that the women he works with don’t like the fishing trip because they feel excluded. If this is the case, then the employer needs to make sure it is different every year so “everyone” is satisfied with this work bonding trip. I personally hate fishing and would not go, so I would never receive any benefit from this paid trip!

[@EmmyRae1885]

@@marcissmiley3131 they literally call it a stag trip. Not very welcoming. If the women have been complaining about it for years, clearly there's a problem. OP came up with a solution

[@Spooky.Pookie]

Thanks for keeping me company at work! ❤

[@brennanryland1995]

I never get to see your videos so early, thank you so much for helping with many a nightmares and sleepless nights

[@louellacharlton4425]

Tyvm Mark. Stay safe please. PEACE

[@indianspartan76]

Story 2: I agree with the controversial comments. Taking no time for yourself while making sure everyone gets theirs, will burn him out

[@scruffblackie]

If you've put a tracker on her car then the relationship is over whether cheating is happening or not.

[@robertx8020]

What else should he have done?

[@scruffblackie]

@@robertx8020 Just spoken to her, if you don't trust your partner enough that you put a tracker on her car then the trust is already gone from the relationship and every incident when she talks with a man. works with a man will seem like a red flag whether it is or not. Also, if she ever finds out it'll be over whether she's cheating or not.

[@Bleg94]

@@scruffblackie when she lies about him, he knows she is lying, what else is he supposed to do other than gathering evidence?

[@scruffblackie]

@@Bleg94 He leaves her.

[@Bleg94]

@@scruffblackie depending on the country having evidence on cheating can be extremely important in a divorce

[@ShiftingFixations]

Story 3: does she think no one in 200 years had an iffy relationship with the ring recipient? Maybe, maybe not. It’s a big assumption to say EVERY mother and daughter-in-law were close. But if they weren’t, clearly they put aside differences. MIL here is saying, essentially, “I require all my sons’ spouses to be willing to ‘give up their bodies’ for a baby.” Ok, but that’s not always about physical looks, it’s about what the body goes through in pregnancy. There are pregnancy phobias. There are conditions which could arise or make pregnancy worse. Maybe she does just wanna look nice… or maybe “we’re childfree” is an easier way to say

[@ShiftingFixations]

(Hit enter too early on mobile) “We don’t want to discuss potential issues surrounding pregnancy with you, nosy MIL.” EITHER WAY, this lady is valid. Whatever her reasons. God, story 3 set me off… ugh. I hate this MIL so much. She really wants her son and DIL to just… be exactly as she would design them to be. And she is treating her own kid like he’s not an equal partner in his own relationship? I wanna scream at this lady sm.

[@colleencook382]

I commend OP for the "Saturday wife pampering" thing but I do agree with the commenter suggesting that OP take some time for himself, doing something he enjoys. Parental/work burnout is a real thing. Even if its just puttering around in a home workshop-something that rejuvenates his spirit will make him a better husband/father/employee. I think it is amazing that he values his wife so highly and recognizes how much work she does for the family during the week. I'm just hoping the wife reciprocates that sentiment for OP.

[@carolroberts4614]

Well I think she does! She encouraged him to go on the fishing trip. But there's no reason the company should pay for a fishing trip, and not something that the whole family can enjoy

[@TheArnaa]

The ring story: I cracked up because just as I was thinking “Oh, where to start with this?!” Mark said, “Holy moly, where do we start with this?” 😁

[@novabrilliant4510]

It's raining here but Mark always brightens my day.

[@sammyk.6457]

Making breakfast while listening, going to try to finish a blanket when I’m done

[@janwel74]

Story #3. OH. MY. GOODNESS!! MIL from hell, wtf. I’d love to read Olivia’s POV.

[@animegirl3177]

Having a cider and playing some animal crossing after work ☺️ thanks for the great vid mark 😊 have a waffley day everyone ❤️

[@jesterbrown90]

Another day, another Mark video. Life is good.

[@MarkNarrations]

Thanks as always Jesse, hope you enjoy!

[@StrangeHooves]

Story 2: it sounds like the work bros are mad op took away their chance to cheat on their partners.

[@CygnusPrime]

*Story 2* OP have fun being right now and being the boss's pet, good luck trying to have any sort of relationship with the guys at work when they shun you.

[@jeannebuttons5301]

"She Is Appropriate": YTA. I'm making this ruling as soon as I heard this line in the story about the heirloom ring going to the second daughter-in-law. What a toxic and vile woman I wouldn't want to know her.

[@hilarymurray8741]

Family work trip story : NTA OP (I had six by the time I was 28 btw) Seems like a great idea. No reason why there should not also be the 'stag' do for those who want to go on it. Those people who want it can ask at work for it for them instead.

[@darlap2724]

#1 i think OOP did a good thing because he was able to include everyone in the office and it may have stepped on a few feet, but sounds like more people were happier. #2. OOP ITAH, as long as there is a clause written that if Olivia leaves the family the ring is returned to the family. If she remains married it is passed down to 1st born of the next eldest brothers childs on their 5 year anniversary so it stays in the family since they plan to stay child free. This MUST BE IN WRITING AND IRON CLAD THROUGH A LAWYER. Thanks Mark!

[@mewmedic]

The op with the tracker kind of implied he actually had the tracker on her car before he suspected an affair. He never said how he knew she was lying about her location the first time. Then the wife took the extra steps to meet with her partner in a parking lot because she was worried about a tracker. Hmm 🤔

[@abbie_joan]

yep he was already watching her every move and invading her privacy....he literally could have just read her phone or asked the nanny but he was already stalking his wife's every move...he sounds controlling as hell and she's probably miserable.

[@TP-bw5jx]

Story 2: OP didnt take anything away from the coworkers. He proposed an idea and his REGIONAL MANAGER decided hey, that's great *I* want you to organise this.

[@champslim]

Story 3: Go Olivia!! You don't like me so why are you at my house when your son is not here?? No pretending.

[@romarialavia3041]

The last thing the OP updated that he found some info on the woman. She is single with no kids. He also found out the name but he's done with the PI

[@amberluppens3292]

Story 2: men with kids calling spending time with their kids “babysitting” is such a red flag, regardless of the situation. Just that little tidbit alone has me questioning what exactly they were doing on those trips.

[@browniewin4121]

1) Sorry for OP that he keep catching his wife in lies. I think hiring a PI is the way to go. After update: Wife is cheating and it doesn't matter who it is with. The truth has come out, and talking to the wife will just lead to more gaslighting. This relationship has come to an end; time to put a divorce lawyer to work.

[@Russman67]

Story 2: NTA. The way this trip was laid out isn't team building, especially if the women in the team weren't going to go. If the guys want a fishing trip then go fishing.

[@-MaryPoppins-]

He doesn’t sound like he wants to go bar hopping or gawking at barely legal college girls (let’s be honest here. Why do you think the women are excluded.). So HOW would that be “taking time for himself” anyway 😩🤣 that’s like hating the outdoors and me dragging you white water rafting “to build teamwork”. You’d poop yourself and quit on the spot 💀

[@Mrs_Ella]

I worked as a PI Assistant once but quit after a week. It was sooooo boring. Sitting there for hours, watching a house. Then following a car and then again sitting aroung for hours, watching a car. Until they come back, drive somewhere else, following them and again... sitting aroung for hours, watching something else. Every fucking day. Nope.

[@rachaelvaughan1017]

Story 1. If he's paranoid enough to waste that amount of money on spy stuff then why not just divorce if he can't trust her?

[@davidsantiagotate7380]

I don’t understand the rude responses to OP in story 2. Not all the coworkers wanted the fishing and stag party weekend in the first place, especially the women. Which makes a lot of sense, they’d be far from home and around drunk coworkers who don’t seem to respect them. OP made a suggestion that included everyone and the boss liked it for that very reason. It doesn’t sound like he was purposely trying to take the bonus or planning role. He even offered his own boat to the child free so they could party. Lastly, the way those guys treated OP revealed their misogyny and the boss was probably tired of it. He could have even been covering his own butt in case the female coworkers went to HR over the whole thing.

[@ladyv5655]

His work environment sounds pretty toxic if being a considerate husband and father is considered "whipped". I pity the wives and children of those men as well as any women who work there. Why can't those guys just have their own fishing trips at their own expense?

[@sarge420]

My job had me flying Mon-Thur for 4yrs. The wife and family didn’t know where or what I did. She had an affair with another women for a few years. We’ve been married 38yrs but numerous rough times. My 29yr military career was rough on us.

[@ProdigyAngel33_Nagichan]

4 minutes after release. Prob earliest I've been xD Looking forward to the stories!

[@MarkNarrations]

Haha, thanks for being here Angel! Appreciate it!

[@indianspartan76]

Story 3: I got a question. So if Olivia gets this ring, but she won't have kids, who will it go to next? Alison? Or Alison's children?

[@dianabialaskahansen2972]

Story 1: You have evidence. She lies. Just push the big red button and divorce. There is nothing left to save.