4K Gamer Pro & mClassic HDMI Upscalers - Useful or Useless? :: RGB325 / MY LIFE IN GAMING

[@SkulShurtugalTCG]

Gaming was unbearable. It was impossible to enjoy games just because of how bad they looked. The greatest video games of all time made me feel sick, and watching The Game Awards nearly put me in the hospital. But then I got a magical new device: the mClassic! The mClassic is like a spiritual experience! It turns even the worst games into rays of sunshine. The mClassic saved my life, and it can save yours too!

[@ggali09]

Mclassic works pretty good, got it on sale for $60.

[@tsol9097]

Bill Clinton?

[@kozaihod]

Read this with the voice of Joe Redifer in my mind

[@immortallix]

Tbf the game awards will put you in the hospital no matter what you have

[@MikeChimeri]

@@kozaihod I thought Joe was killed by the mClassic's "better graphic (sic)." 😉 UPDATE: No, I misremembered. It was Galaxy Force's graphics that killed him.

[@BRKsEDU]

I also recently got an mClassic and the best use so far has been with Dreamcast and GameCube… but the Retrotink 5X 480 signal won’t work with the mClassic for me, only at 540p. Also, God of War Collection at 720p gave me good results. But the mClassic worsens colors, especially bright and shadowy areas.

[@seanmcbay]

You can see it here in the comparisons. It dulls colors.

[@theonlysnickerboobly948]

​@@seanmcbay these comparisons don't do it justice, the output can be 1440p a large number of 4k tvs support 1440p via turning on deep color input. It's on mclassics KZbin channel. Kinda bummed that this wasn't taken as seriously as it should.

[@thesteammachine1282]

Does the mclassic crushes the blacks on gamecube ?

[@dethskullcrusher]

​@@thesteammachine1282Yes it changes the gamma setting one tone down, so you should compensate that by going up a notch on your tv or monitor.

[@joaoflpe]

tu aqui edu kkkkkkkkk doidera que ngm ainda descobriu, msm 5 meses dps kkkkkkkkk

[@skyen85]

The MClassic is a great product if used in the right way. At the moment the best usage is with content in 720p60fps (best) or 480p. Marseille need to update its processor to handle upscale to higher resolutions (4k) and newer tech (hdr). They say the product is for 1440p, to me that is misleading.

[@JMLRetroRoom]

It goes up to 1440p if your display supports the resolution and will do 4K only for Blue-Ray 1080p/24fps.

[@rather8948]

Such a underrated channel you guys make such great content keep it up

[@ebnflo]

I primarily use the mclassic for 480p and it's amazing. I see the biggest changes in quality going from 480i to 480p to 480p+mclassic on the Pikman 2 titlescreen. Also, I guess mclassic people are hardcore online cause MLiG really straddle the line between being in hostage situation and kind of patronizing when talking about it lol

[@jerryborjon]

I love the mClassic specifically because of how much I play GameCube games. It does magic with games of that era!

[@pokepress]

I have a streaming device that only accepts 720p and 1080p, so the mClassic is actually pretty useful for 480p systems.

[@rockstopsthetraffic]

There may be other ways, I have a box that alters output resolution for capture cards but not to the TV. (Usually I use it to keep 4k60HDR working on the TV, without touching a 1080p capture card that's plugged in at the same time.) But whatever works of course, and this might be seen as a value-add for what it does as well.

[@RetroBacon1]

Lol just buy a new streaming device

[@rockstopsthetraffic]

@@RetroBacon1 some streaming devices still won't capture things like HDR or the top framerate, so a splitter with a downgrading conversion and a bypass could be best (since an HDMI signal normally conforms to the lowest specifications detected for compatibility, so normal HDMI splitters will just use the worse quality on both). Besides, he was talking about how his streaming device doesn't accept older, lower quality inputs anymore. Not higher.

[@RetroBacon1]

@@rockstopsthetraffic oooohh that makes more sense.

[@killerkevin27]

I'm actually impressed with the mClassic and wouldn't mind having one for my PS3 and Switch but I'm not $80 impressed. I'd probably get one if it was like $40.

[@WednesdayMan]

I think the Sagemcom UP200 cord might be a better choice as it is cheaper than the mclassic and is similar to it (I've seen comparison videos, and its smoothing functionality is similar to an mclassic)

[@conangoinham]

this comment nails it. the cost to upscale or present image sharpening in a '1 button' quick fix isn't worth $100. I really appreciated the commentary on the video where he went into comps for built-in image sharpening on his TV versus the sharpening from these devices. Truthfully, a lot of what we're trying to achieve as gamers is already BUILT IN to the output display. While it might take several more minutes to achieve than just a plug and play adapter, I'd rather keep my hard earned bux :)

[@DrLilo]

I'm in the "mClassic for 480p" camp. WiiDual/GCVideo into mClassic has proven a good combination for me. At least until we finally get scalers with HDMI inputs, Mike Chi's filters will make it obsolete for sure.

[@Phantron]

Mike Chi's filters? whats that

[@DrLilo]

@@Phantron retrotink's post processing effects and scaline filters.

[@DrLilo]

@@joseph011296 that's fine and I've tried a similar approach with good results, but something about introducing an anlogue conversion into an all digital video chain doesn't sit well with me.

[@Samos900]

This

[@brandontalbort]

@@joseph011296 I hear that's a good solution, for sure, but isn't there still a bit of an issue with games that have any (or frequent) resolution switching? I think the RE Remake on Ganecube was one example. It was a while ago, now, but there was a reason I held off of the carby + PORTTA route when I was looking.

[@BLOODY__FATALITY]

I use the mClassic regularly with my retrotink 5x for a bit of a cleaner image on my 4K monitor. It is especially useful with my Nintendo Switch. My Switch had a pixely look on my new 4K monitor but the mClassic takes it up to 1440p which allows it to accept the signal much better giving me a much cleaner image.

[@vitorf2303]

I have the same problem when using my Switch with my LG Ultragear monitor, it looks blurry, the monitor sharpness setting doesnt add an upscalling, however, when i plug the Switch on my LG Nanocell, it looks beautiful, the sharpness setting there is magic

[@SydneySE_]

I love that my favorite youtube channel covered this. Fantastic video as always. I personally do really like the results with the mClassic + 4K Gamer Pro paired together but for me its only a temporary solution until Mikes new 4k scaler comes to market. I think with Switch games and some PS3 games the results are quiet dramatic but to each their own. Loved the video though, you guys are a huge inspiration for me and my channel so thank you for all you do.

[@MFHRaptor]

What's "Mike's 4K Scaler"? I am unaware of this product. Can you suggest or link to info on it?

[@jc.1191]

Less upscaling does have better results, 240p and some 480 to 4k is just too much.

[@samza9622]

Nice job on the sharpness tests you did. Overall nice job with the review.

[@sstevee000]

Great video! I've seen so much hype for both devices (especially the mClassic) floating around that can be very misleading so its great to have an in depth look showing what each device ACTUALLY does, rather than what both companies claim they do. In my personal experience, I actually have found a good use purpose for the mClassic. My TCL 4K TV does not have a setting to force a 4:3 aspect ratio (despite being able to accept composite via an adapter), which is a sad trend to see on newer displays. Before I upgraded to the Retrotink 5x Pro, I was using the mClassic as a way to force 4:3 for any content I was running through it (NES, SNES, N64, Wii). While the downside of that meant I had to use it for anything to get 4:3, i can see that being useful for a setup where forcing 4:3 isn't possible. The mClassic really doesn't look very good with 240p content, but with 480p content it does a good job with smoothing out the image ever so slightly. Nowadays, I only use it with my HDMI consoles (Wii U, Xbox One) and my GameCube with the Carby HDMI adapter. I'd say I see the most benefit from native 1080p content like the video says, with native 720p and 480p content also possibly benefitting depending on the use case. Honestly, I'd say overall I'm happy to have it for the cases where it does provide a slight benefit, but if I were to do it over again, I don't think I would go out of my way to buy/use one since the difference is not enough to justify its $80-$100 price tag. As a side note, I have actually found a way to use the mClassic's 1440p upscaling with my 4KTV: I bought a cheap edid spoofer adapter on Amazon for about $20 and it works great. Getting that 1080p to 1440p upscaling has also been a nice, if inessential, use case for the mClassic as well. The one side effect is that, with the way I have my audio and video setup, I can't get my 4K Blu Ray player to play audio without unplugging it which is a little annoying but it's easy enough to unplug it and plug it back in when needed.

[@perpetualcollapse]

Putting everything aside for this video. MLIG deserves full attention.

[@HunterPBrown]

I love my mclassic. That's all I need.

[@tiprun]

Love that little ending teaser video! 😂

[@kyle52905]

Ive been seeing so many people over the years claim the mclassic is the best way to play switch and older consoles and I'm glad you guys made a video actually looking at the differences. I completely understand why some people like it for 480p but the smudging and color differences kinda ruins it for me and honestly even then the difference is mostly negligible across the board to my eyes at least. I don't knock anyone for liking it but its definitely more of a personal preference kinda like PS1 smoothing on PS3. I'm just glad theres at least one channel not hyping this thing up like its a mini framemeister or something.

[@DaveSimonH]

The M-Cable, especially on 480p content, reminds me of the look of early Universal blu-rays (not in a good way). They were using dated film masters, so filtered the absolute crap out of them (heavy DNR, sharpening etc), leaving grain & detail behind, resulting in a smearly sharpened look. Thankfully after a few years, catalogue titles were regularly getting new 2K or 4K masters, so many of those early discs got re-released by Universal themselves (films like 'Apollo 13' & 'Spartacus') or licenced out to third parties like Arrow Video (stuff like 'The Thing', 'An American Werwolf in London', 'Videodrome', 'Weird Science' etc).

[@BugLondon]

I use an mCLassic with an LG Oled because it doesn't handle 480p well at all. When i check the signal it does say it's getting 1440p.

[@deftoned2]

I had to go through 2 months of customer service, purchasing 2 separate mClassics, and purchasing 3 different HDMI repeaters to get the mClassic working with my Samsung 4K TV. According to Marseille, mClassics have trouble with Samsung TVs. Only a specific repeater worked and had to be placed in a specific position in the chain. For very marginal improvements. Not worth the money, time, or effort. Best improvements I saw were with a GameCube, Carby, and mClassic. But it was minimal. Tried the mClassic with a RT2X and RT2XM and saw little improvement. Slightly brighter colors, but made the image blurrier. Using it with the PS3, 360, WiiU, and Switch saw little to no improvement. I was better off just using standard 1080p with those consoles. Let me just say this… I received an e-mail from Marseille in regards to a service ticket I submitted. That ticket was from 2019. Great customer service.

[@ajsingh4545]

Mclassic works the best when you lower the sharpness on your TV and calibrate the TV settings a bit like color, black levels and contrast.

[@vdubrida70]

You should have your modern TV with Zero sharpening anyways because any sharpening setting is adding artificial sharpening on the image

[@ajsingh4545]

@@vdubrida70 I have mines set to 30% sharpness ... It's a decent middle ground for me

[@WH250398]

@@vdubrida70 Depends on the tv.

[@uwehoeren]

I would Use it for my GameCube with my Kaico HDMI 480p Adapter, but i the mClassic is so expensive :/

[@CarsandCats]

I appreciate your honesty versus the guy who clutches a blanket! I didn't believe his video and went for a second opinion.

[@babydinoproduction]

Watching this on my lunch break. Love it when we get a new in depth mlig video!

[@SpencerSoares]

if it occurred to you that putting them in the reverse order they would fix each others problem: 4kgamerpro looks like a sharpened 1080p. mclassic looks like they swapped the pixels with blobs. you can absolutely put a hdmi splitter in-between them and it works. it looks like those mcable blobs are much more dense as they have far more information to work with. i then plug that into an HD Fury Linker and it looks great

[@thatJohann]

So I have a C1 too with a Switch. I’ve been using Sharpness 20 + Super Resolution High. Try that out. It’s even better.

[@yromero23]

This could be a budget saver if I saw it like 4 months ago.... incredible video man! and as you said it.... many of us won't tell the difference by using this adapters

[@ggali09]

Man that 4K pro has been sittting in my Amazon cart for weeks. Can’t wait to hear what you think

[@jimmyhopkins1]

Waste of time emulate if you want higher resolution imo

[@ggali09]

@@jimmyhopkins1 go away

[@AgentXRifle]

But he’s actually right… Why buy a $100+ HDMI tool plus whatever is needed to make the old console work with HDMI when you can emulate it in 4k and even get texture mods? I know super mario sunshine, super smash and double dash all run amazing in dolphin for example… and I own the console but still emulate.

[@ggali09]

@@AgentXRifle why do the “just emulate” crowd think they are contributing to the conversation? If I wanted to emulate I’d be watching a video about emulation. I’m here watching this video about an add on to current HDMI solutions I have on real consoles. So, emulate a life and go live it.

[@AgentXRifle]

I mean, I watched it to see if it was still a waste of money like I was convinced it was and it is, so you can go on and live your expensive and unnecessary HDMI adapted life and life it… man you really are an @$$hole 😂

[@djkevinhayes]

Great video once again! I bought an mClassic because it felt like the best/simple/cost effective way to upscale older HDMI consoles. Correct me if I’m wrong, I feel most game focused scalers didn’t accept an HDMI input, I would have to use component/analogue to use a retrotink 5 or OSSC (non-pro). The mClassic has been great for upscaling Wii U, PS3 and Xbox 360 games. Plus with their backwards compatibly, Wii, PS2 and OG Xbox; 480p and 720p games look much better with the mClassic vs my Vizio TV’s scaler. What would you recommend as a digital to digital scaler?

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Luckily the upcoming RetroTINK 4K, PixelFX Morph, and if I recall correctly, also the OSSC Pro will all have HDMI inputs.

[@Fennecbutt]

100$ vs $1000 though. It's hard to recommend an RT4k to someone who might use it on 1-2 consoles, surely?

[@ceberuss_yt8266]

I backed the m-Cable back in the day and later also bought the m-classic. It does work and is worth it for me, i mostly use it for my switch. It does work best in my opinion when starting from a low resolution. Kudos from Belgium

[@MichaelODonoghueMOD]

I personally found the best results with the mclassic and 720p Xbox 360 content. I remember Dirt 2, Wolfenstein and Riddick looking a lot sharper. Couldn't tell the difference with original Xbox 480p content

[@brandonpierce9868]

I appreciate you diving into these. I would've liked to see how they handle 480i content though

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Yeah you'd need to deinterlace 480i content to 480p first. Since I was trying to not spend overly long on this, I used GameCube, Wii, and Dreamcast since it was easiest for me to get 480p HDMI out of them. I'd have maybe done PS2 480i I'd I had a bit more time but since you can't do it directly, I glossed over it. It would be very similar to 480p though.

[@PogueSquadron]

I have to admit to turning up sharpness even on an older tv from time to time. We sit pretty far from the TV, so any artifacts really aren’t too offensive.

[@maximusprime49]

As soon as i saw the classic announced i was looking forward to seeing this video, great job folks as always

[@PieStudios]

I’m so glad you’ve covered this. Seeing people tout these as gods gift to man is so annoying.

[@ezg8448]

I own the mclassic, and I wouldn't call it an "upscaler." It does a very good job cutting down jaggies and shimmering for sub 1080p games, but it isn't some miracle device. IMO, the mclassic is a necessary device for switch owners who like to play docked on a TV.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Technically it is an upscaler though... but so is a TV, even though people don't think of it that way.

[@nathanddrews]

I'm always torn on this stuff. For my own use, I prefer to use a proper 240p/480i CRT for "period appropriate" games (mostly 2-D games, then PSX, N64, etc.) and then use an HD CRT for everything Xbox and newer. However, caveats are that I really like downscaling emulated 3-D games to 240p/480i CRT as well. Perfect Dark running at 60fps at high resolution downscaled to an SD CRT looks too good!

[@shotgunmasterQL]

On TV sharpening, while the traditional sharpening scale is solid and doesn't cause any super bad ringing on modern TVs, I think Sony's additional sharpening filter called "Reality Creation" is quite impressive. The sharpness scale on Sony TVs is already pretty wide, 0 - 100, and 50 is considered neutral, but Reality Creation is an additional layer of intelligent sharpening applied based on different patterns and shapes on the screen. I use and tweak it quite often on my TV, although with 1080p games and such usually I have it set to auto, which plays things safe and only applies a touch of Reality Creation. But when I play a game that's pretty soft or even kind of blurry, Reality Creation can do some magic. Like even though Snake Pass on Switch is mostly running at a HD resolution, the additional anti aliasing it uses makes the game look extremely soft, but not exactly blurry. I keep my regular sharpness at 50, but I can easily crank Reality Creation to 90-100 on Snake Pass and I get a noticeable boost in picture clarity with zero ringing on gameplay graphics. Only 2D HUD and menu elements have an ultra fine ringing layer around them. In some cases Reality Creation can help bring the pixels more forth if the image has gone through some soft scaling. It's not quite integer scaling sharp, but it's good enough with very minimal ringing.

[@JeanAlcantara]

Crying into my _mClassic_ right now, I feel attacked 😂

[@Kippykip]

Snake oil adapter's basically, I get more from adjusting my LGTV settings

[@sonicwatcher]

I've done a lot of testing with my mClassic across 9 consoles, looking inches from the screen and regular couch distance. Conclusions; 1. My TV displays the input as 1440p with the mClassic switched on in all instances except when I tested with my fat PS2 using GSM to deinterlace a 576i PAL game into 576p = then it would only upscale to 1080p. 2. Lowering the console's resolution to the game's native resolution 100% did NOT make sny difference for me, not one, which shocked me as I've read a thousand to do that.. but nothing. Even when i took the Wii U down to 480p & tested Wii & GameCube games it was the EXACT SAME so I won't be changing console resolution settings every 2 minutes.... This was really surprising to me. 3. The only scenario where the mClassic have me no perceptual improvement in picture was with my Dreamcast because thats VGA going through a VGA to HDMI 1080p Upscaler box which I unfortunately have tonuse until I get a Kaico HDMI adapter to pteservebthe Dreamcast's 480p output so the mClassic definitely doesn't like that Upscaler box. Great video mlig, been watching for 8 years, please keep going :)

[@TrentReject]

I personally love the mclassic but it is far from great, It is excellent for the pstv (basically a home console psvita) and the games are are around 480-720p and look great with the mclassic on. Another thing to note is the type of tv you use it with. With a 4k tv i really did not notice a difference with the switch but a 1080p or 720p tv you really see the mclassic working on there and you can get a pretty good image from it.

[@skins4thewin]

You really ought to be zooming into this footage a bit so that those who don't know what the haloing is can see it up close, otherwise they probably have no idea what you're even talking about. Once one notices it for the first time they will never unsee it, so best to teach them now! Can't think of a more appropriate setting to teach this sort of thing about oversharpening than for this device.

[@drsparklagasm]

Me: I don't get it, these images are all the same KZbin: * Auto selected 480p* Me: ohhhhhhhhhhhh

[@Snivy102]

I need to be using my mClassic when playing BotW on WiiU. I just can't play it without it. Set the console to 720p and the mClassic really does seem like magic. I use it on a 1080p display.

[@WesDoesGames]

Glad to see some love for Live A Live

[@mangaas]

The Mclassic seems to do an actual good job, its an objective imrpovement in 3D games. It's doing what seems like 2x AA if you were poking around in PC graphics settings. Nothing big, but definitely an improvement. As a PC gamer, non AA games on the switch look like jaggy, shimmering messes. The Mclassic does reduce that somewhat. I'd say the price is an issue, but considering most Switch players buy extra controllers like extra candies, and are already getting ripped off on the price of the hardware itself (the OLED switch costs more than an Xbox Series S) The mClassic seems like a good purchase if you game docked on a big screen TV.

[@pinkace]

I play games in the resolution they were built in. That way you will get the closest visuals to what the artists that created them wanted you to see. I have a CRT TV displaying in RGB, and the pixels look rounded and smooth, whereas square pixels in a digital TV make items look blocky on screen.

[@digitalblasphemy1100]

I feel like I'm going crazy. I think the two devices ESPECIALLY when combined look amazing on at least half of the examples. You can't see the weird artifacts even on my 75" TV unless he zoomed in. These devices seem to be on par with the de-blur on N64 which only improves the image on certain games yet no one shit on it the way these devices get shit on. I seriously don't understand why these devices are being shit on so much. They work well on certain games.

[@Soulintent95]

So heres what ive found. These are great paired with a retrotink. Mclassic can take the 5x' 2k resolution, photofast can only receive 1080p otherwise you get a black screen. Mclassic has better fxaa injection, idk if photofast even has that but it doesnt appear to. Mclassic makes colors deeper, which i actually love. Mclassic also as a result of the fxaa smooths things out. Mclassic is best for n64, paired to a retrotink since n64 even with the retrotink 5x n64 sorta looks like sprites. Mclassic fixes that. Photofast is better for everything else. Overall the image is cleaner, but it is worth noting there doesnt appear to be any fxaa. So if you are playing a switch game with bad aliasing, you may want the mclassic. Thankfully i can swap between the 2. Photofast looks great with gamecube. Best results with that system. Also on older systems such as the n64 where interlacing is much worse, photofast makes the interlacing unbarable. It kinda looks like its adding it in weird as that sounds. Mclassic seems to further deinterlace, though i know thats not what it does. Just how it appears.

[@magnuzguerra]

I have a C9 and a Switch and I use 10 Sharpness. From 0 to 10, it works like a HQ2x filter from emulators, interpolating diagonally without any edge enhancement. Higher than 10 it starts to add edge enhancement, so I just keep it at 10. You can see this better looking at text in games, on letters like O or C, you can see the pixels slowly blend from 0 to 10. Turning it off is basically integer upscaling from 1080p to 2160p. My 2022 QLED Samsung TV however has the bad edge "enhancement" sharpening so it's best to just leave at 0.

[@timusforlife]

Mclassic with DC and GC I think can provide good results but in some cases can be over aggressive and have too much haloing

[@durona]

anyone else notice that when Try combined both doohickeys the word Monster from the screen is directly next to them??

[@johneymute]

A real testament would be to use it with the N64 to sharpen blurred textures along with a smoothing filter to see if it willindeed improve the image quality of it or not,

[@ButtholioTheGreat]

The only reason I use the Mclassic is because my display does not accept the 480p hdmi signal from my Carby Gamecube. Is there another device I can use instead of the Mclassic?

[@BugLondon]

I think that's the best use case for the mclassic. and if you spent the money no need ot abandon it. I couldn't find other hdmi upsalers that convert 480p with confirmed zero lag personally.

[@ButtholioTheGreat]

@@BugLondon yeah, other upscalers that serve that purpose don't seem to exist. My only complaint is that it does make pixel art and Gameboy games look pretty bad.

[@ButtholioTheGreat]

@@chanhjohnnguyen1867 not possible, none of the retrotinks have an HDMI input

[@BugLondon]

@@chanhjohnnguyen1867 I don't trust the rare hdmi to component converters any more than i trust the random cheap 480p upscalers. at best they might degrade image with sub par component.

[@AnimeGameKid-mt4ls]

@@ButtholioTheGreat there are some basic hdmi to component adapters like the Portta that don't add any lag. The Retrotink5x does also have a good filter for Gameboy, if you use GBI with your setup that is. The GBP disc can still look good with it. I understand that is a lot more money for your setup, though. Maybe the OSSC would be a good cheaper alternative to the tink5x. Do whatever works best for you.

[@NooNaN926]

The 4kGamerPro, on low, is a great tweak to the Switch. I leave it on for almost every game and really like the result on a 65" OLED at about 6-7ft away.

[@leeartlee915]

Huh, I was so convinced by the retro community I definitely bought into the hype and bought one of the mClassic cables (the $150 one). I thought the results were… okay. I do think that cable works best with 480P content… but even then, I was expecting something VERY different when I got it.

[@9patterk]

Listen bro idk if I'm not seeing what you are but I think the upscalars make the picture better in just about every shot you had there. To me the upscaled image looks sharper and clearer and I don't see the artifacts that you were mentioning. Not trying to diss you, I love your videos so much, but I really fail to see the downside to the upscalars. Would you consider doing a video showing us what you mean by "ringing artifacts" and other such terms so we can determine what visual oddities bother us and which dont?

[@Waldem]

Awesome video, and I learnt something new about my C1! There's one song on the video that I liked a lot, but you don't put on video what's the song playing and I couldn't find the songs you used on the video's info. I finally found it was from yoku's island express (you talked about that game in that section, so I guessed it could be from there), anyways, would be nice to have that info more accessible, but at the same time, it's extra work for something that not too many pay attention to. Thanks for the great video, I hope you and Coury can make these kind of videos for many years! Also Happy holidays :D!

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] We do put the music the games come from in the end slate at the end of each episode, in order of use.

[@Waldem]

@@mylifeingaming OMG! you're right! Thanks! 😃

[@danekim5147]

Can you tell me how to connect 4K Gamer Pro Upscaler and mClassic on Nintendo Switch? Is this order right? Nintendo Switch Dock -> mClassic -> 4K Gamer Pro -> TV

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Correct.

[@fsaiduzzaman]

The 4KGamer and mClassic represent completely different methods of up scaling, one that works and one that doesn’t at all IMO. The mClassic at least conceptually has the right idea - when you upscale games, it makes a lack of antialiasing more evident, so adding a rudimentary FXAA-type solution is reasonable. I’ve found it works very well with Switch and even prior era consoles like the GameCube, even though scanline solutions like on the RetroTINK and such are more visually pleasing for those. The 4KGamer on the other hand is simply not a good idea. Increasing sharpness and further bringing out any blemishes to the image, creating artifacts, etc is conceptually problematic and doesn’t work for any type of image (pixel, 2D, 3D)

[@TheCoolDave]

Thanks for the video. As always you guys have good content. I did see some games; it did look better than the base Switch. I guess the NEED for this if you got a cheaper 4K tv (normally bad processing), this might help. If you got a higher end 4K tv, this might not help much.

[@__lim494]

Summary: 4k Gamer Pro: It's worse than modern TV sharpening. Just Use the TV sharpening function. mClassic : Useful in some scenarios. Especially 480p or 720p era console, or "nintendo cartoonish/cartoon rendering" art style games.

[@BugLondon]

i think either will be very useful for getting zero lag upscaling on a 1440p or 4k computer monitor. computer monitors have horrendous upscaling of non native resolutions

[@__lim494]

@@BugLondon fair point!

[@TheSpaceking12]

Played all of xenoblade 3 with the mclassic. I found that it made cutscenes slightly marginally better generally, but gameplay was a negligible difference.

[@vdentertaiment4088]

Good video as always. Still can’t get over you seemingly using Cool settings on your TV though. Woof

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] I use neutral on the C1, actually. But it looks similarish to me as cool on other screens. To me, white feels more like white when using cooler white balance. I can't stand white to look slightly yellowish.

[@TheCptDoom]

what's the game at 7:20?

[@itzdcx]

I barely notice a difference watching this video I'm gonna need a in person use to experience it

[@saulgoodman9278]

So increasing the sharpness is no longer a factor for input lag? Just wondering because I remember my older TV's having this problem.

[@gamesibeat]

I bought the m classic years ago and never used them to this day. I just dont think they are worth the hassle when your best bet is just bringing out the best picture possible from your old console and displaying it the right format.

[@seseiSeki]

Wait, what was that at the end?

[@JohannPascual]

I'm returning my mClassic. After spending some time figuring out why it's causing my Samsung TV to flicker, I really can't justify the cost. I can't tell if it's working or not. haha

[@WhiteJarrah]

Wobbling Pixels did a video about a cool mClassic feature that I don't think many people are talking about. If you pair it with the OSSC, you can get around the compatibility issues. Out the box, 2X modes coming off the OSSC just works with mClassic. 3x and 4x modes by default have image artifacts when paired with the mClassic, but Wobbling Pixels showed you can fix this just by adjusting the v.active and v.backporch settings. After getting it to work I found this to be a godsend: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGLNkmt4m9qWjZY Unfortunately, the mClassic only passes through 576i or 480i content and I hate the way bob deinterlacing looks. But I found the mClassic also works with generic scalers, specifically you can use the retro mode to unstretch the image. Personally for 240p, 288p and 480p I use the OSSC, and for anything interlaced or switching resolutions I just use the generic SCART to HDMI. I plan on buying a RetroTINK 5X in the future, but for now I think the mClassic is a good pairing device to get the most out of my current setup.

[@sirlimen333]

Bro. it's not a feature if it "fixes" anything from another product. With the proce of an ossc and a mclassic you can get anything from retrothink. You just made a bad purchase.

[@WhiteJarrah]

@@sirlimen333 The RetroTINK 5X was not yet out when I made my OSSC purchase.

[@someguy1865]

I think they look better than not having them lol. If you got the extra money to get them, I do think they're worth testing out. One thing to note I have an Nvidia Shield TV Pro and use the mclassic and it seems to enhance my picture quality on my steam games on Geforce Now despite it being turned off, and I don't know why(Could be the AI Enhancement the Shield TV has).

[@froilanrivero2826]

I kinda like mclassic + 4k gamer pro (low) but you need a good monitor for that combo. My samsung tv even supports the 1440p for rhe mclassic alone but there are glitches and issues with resolutions changes that simply doesn't happen with a decent monitor. Not so sure about retro pixelated goodness though like 8/16 bit games

[@poleongriffis4262]

Great presentation 💯🤙

[@jonnyallison489]

Excellent video, MClassic performance is without doubt tied to the setup and resolution - 480p and 720p are the sweet spot for visual enhancements. I found the mClassic by itself parred with Wii U output locked to 720p to provide the best image quality for back compat GameCube and Wii on a modern 4K set - in my own setup I have seen a stunning improvement for GCN titles running in patched progressive, true 16:9 widescreen via Nintendont over it turned off. Native Wii also gets a decent clean up, however not always to the same level due to the liberal use of lower resolution anamorphic widescreen and the flicker filter in games. MClassic also has a major impact on games such as LoZ Breath of the Wild, Mass Effect 3 etc on Wii U, cleaning up the image quality massively on a large 42"+ screen.

[@abrahamthomas32]

Hi. Does it upscale 1080p 60fps to 4k ?

[@BushidoBrownSama]

That looks like Wesker & Jill, Is 30:27 some kind of cutesy Resident Evil game?

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Hah, nah, but I recreated them in Freedom Wars on Vita. :)

[@BushidoBrownSama]

@@mylifeingaming lmao, good job

[@ProdriveGT]

Just bought a kaico 2x for my n64, wich outputs @480p, do you think mclassic should be a good purchase for me?

[@ssj99gohanisthebest48]

Might get 2 mclassic for my Wii U and switch

[@rDanny]

I have the keico hdmi adaptor / upscaler for n64 and one for saturn (forget the name) I'm wanting to get a mClassic to add to it but still on the fence at £100

[@Will-qd2km]

I use both together, but could live without it. Main reasons I own both is cause I like what the classic does for my dreamcast and 360 but I recently got a new TV that doesn't do 1440p so I got the 4kgamer pro to get to 4k...and there is a noticable difference and I like it but it's not worth the money imo unless you just want to play around with it

[@UltimateEnd0]

4GP+mClassic makes Mario Kart 8 on OLED look next gen.

[@adilator]

You may not know that but on a lot of TV's 0 sharpness actually means it's blurring the image. No processing is somewhere between max and zero sharpness.

[@BugLondon]

the no processing setting is going to likely be whatever the filmmaker mode is set to by default.

[@maegnificant]

the m-cable is pretty nice if you wanna run your switch off of a 1440p monitor.

[@AgentXRifle]

I set up my stream set up with RCA for old consoles… at no point do I feel like they need to be ‘better quality’, until maybe the 6th gen consoles. Honestly, I am okay with OG quality… my only issue is if I wanted to use my modern TV, it lacks analog inputs, this is the only reason I’d get these costly HDMI input options.

[@vaugna1620]

The 4K Gamer Pro looks like the "Reality Creation" setting on my Sony OLED lol, something I don't like and don't have to pay money for

[@FrancesBedoya89]

I wanted to get the MClassic for playing my N64 on my TV, but after this video I'm a little confused as to if that's possible with the MClassic alone.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] It's not possible with the mClassic alone because the mClassic only has HDMI input. A lot of people act like it's primarily made for late 90s/early 2000s game systems, but that just isn't true because if it were, it would have analog inputs for those consoles! Yes, there are HDMI mods and adapters for many of those consoles, which could then in theory go to the mClassic, but that's not a scenario that makes sense for most people. My go-to recommendation for people who are primarily concerned with getting the N64 working and looking decent enough on a modern TV has been the RetroTINK Mini, but unfortunately that model is discontinued. The RetroTINK-2X Pro is still available on the RetroTINK website, which will get you much less lag and a better picture than connecting directly to your TV, even if you're just using the N64's included composite cable. You could also look for an N64 S-video cable to get a very small quality bump above that (N64 has probably the least noisy composite video of any console). A lot of people would suggest the EON Super 64, but it's more expensive than the RetroTINK-2X Pro and ONLY works with N64 so it's not a great value (not to mention, the consensus seems to be that the functional design was stolen from RetroTINK). You can even use a smoothing filter if that's the kinda thing you want, which some people do for N64 graphics. The RetroTINK 5X is the higher-end and more expensive product if you want more advanced upscaling, especially for other consoles, but for N64 alone, the 2X is a solid and more budget-friendly choice. You could in theory pair this with the mClassic, but I don't think it would add a lot of value for the cost. I'd start with the RetroTINK-2X with a composite cable, then look into an S-video cable, and go from there.

[@thesteammachine1282]

@@mylifeingaming Does the mclassic crushes the blacks on gamecube ?

[@ryanwatchel9809]

my question is does 4k gamer pro accept 1440P from M classic? or does it take the 1080P signal from M classic?

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] It will automatically send 1080p to the 4K Gamer Pro.

[@ryanwatchel9809]

@@mylifeingaming so it takes 1080P signal from M classic. cool. current set up. Mclassic --> M cable cinema (I like how this affects the colors) ---> 4k gamer pro

[@ZombieTechie]

Is there anyway to test power strips? I have 12+ systems and don't trust Amazon reviews but also want them all plugged in at the same time.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] I'm convinced there's no such thing as a power strip, surge protector, or UPS that doesn't have reviews claiming it almost burned down someone's house.

[@ZombieTechie]

@@mylifeingaming true, but there's so many Chinese electronics on amazon that seem to get away without being safe, unlike ones at Walmart that have to pass safety regulations. Those at Walmart aren't very large capacity or don't fit larger adapters. Oh and definitely you guys are one of the best and most in depth channels on KZbin.

[@unattain4773]

The biggest difference these devices make, to me, is getting rid of the "smear" effect we see in low res games and allowing colors to become more vibrant due to it. Especially on the switch.

[@onetwo6039]

What game is that at 31:14? The girl with the red hair firing that gun? Looks awesome.

[@mylifeingaming]

Fuse

[@sussudioscott9383]

what's the game with the Zelda style hero with blue hair?

[@mylifeingaming]

Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom

[@TheTacticalRPGOdyssey]

Now I want an OLED

[@miraclescythe7772]

can you pls try the skyforge

[@Emitremmus29]

Regarding the portion of the video involving the mClassic it appears that you've really missed the point here. The primary function of this device as stated by the manufacturer is to clean up SD and ED game content for modern 4K screens. The fact that you only mentioned this fact in passing while disparaging the product constantly really comes off as quite disingenuous. Marseille provides a complete breakdown of the supported input to output on their website that you failed to include? You went so far as to show skyward sword HD with upscaling from a switch @ 28:53 which makes very little sense as it is already relatively high resolution, while not demonstrating the transformative affects the device has on the notably blurry (painterly is an appropriate way to describe it) Wii original version of the same title. There was an opportunity here to keep the condescension to a minimum and show the reality of the benefits of the device to content from the original playstation right up to say the Wii U and it seems to have been squandered in the pursuit of a few cheap laughs. Fortunately the same Amazon affiliate link provided for the mClassic will take folks to plethora of Amazon reviews, many of them containing decent in situ photos of the device being used for its intended purpose and doing a decent job of demonstrating the legitimate real world benefits or at least affects on 480i-720p content. For those trying to enjoy Wii, original xbox and the like on a modern 50"+ 4K TV the reduction in shimmering and improvement in clarity from couch distance is spectacular. Also a few links for those interested in a more professionally objective view of this device: Linus media group review of the original mcable kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5utq5yYe7mUp6M Digital foundries review of the original mcable kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3-snax3g9R5rqs Digital foundries mclassic review kzbin.info/www/bejne/hl6xmYtvYsR-e5I Personally I do not now nor have I ever had any affiliation with Marseille in any way other than having spent a few dozen hours using a friends mclassic (which he purchased at full retail price in Canada from Amazon) with a wii, original xbox and a PS2 on an LG C9P 65" OLED. My experience was so substantially different from the above videos take away that I felt it worth my time to put it out there with references.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Marseille's website is picture after picture of the Switch. I do think that's the intended purpose, although they likely latched onto the idea of also promoting for 480p after some positive feedback. That said, I really don't understand why some people think it's mostly for that type of content when most people can't take HDMI directly from those systems. It's very very unusual that I was able to capture the GameCube, Wii, and Dreamcast footage that I did. Most people couldn't make that connection work, so I think native HDMI devices MUST be considered its primary purpose or else the product just doesn't make sense. But I agree that its effects are more profound on 480p and 720p than 1080p... but also make more obvious the negative effects like sharpening artifacts. So it's tricky because with the lower resolutions, both the downsides and upsides go up.

[@johnnyRFisalegend]

i wanted to use this to play mk11 on the switch in 1080p without FPS dropes, i'll just change the system settings to 720p, will it work?

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] I don't think it would. No Switch games work that way. While performance profiles may differ between handheld and docked modes, I am not aware of any games that actually render lower resolution and thus gain performance when set to 720p docked. You'll see this behavior on PS3 but not really on any other systems.

[@Parke8Bits]

Es conveniente usar retrotink 5x pro + mclassic o es algo absurdo usarlos juntos??

[@lobstercoco]

I didn't understand that little ending 🤣

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] I REALLY want to know what percentage of people who watch would get it haha. It's an upscaler joke. I know some people understood it.

[@Phantron]

the sharpness from your TV you get there is only from OLED TVs which are obviously expensive.