Mysterious Figure - The Worst Kingdom Hearts Superboss

[@snakwa]

Sorry if the video quality isn’t that great, I haven’t made a video in years so I’m not expecting to output the best quality videos, especially on Sharefactory. Also if you guys have some issues with this fight that I didn’t mention in this video then I would appreciate it if you comment them here, I can think of some other issues to say about this fight and if I have enough to talk about then I will make a second part.

[@tanktheta]

Mostly just the audio that needs fixing. Also, I'm making a sort of "KH1" esk game. (Aka, a slower sort of harder hitting style, more commitment to most things. A heavy focus on "guard") Any tips I should keep in mind?

[@snakwa]

@tanktheta At the moment I’m having to use my PS Pulse headset which isn’t the greatest quality but could probably be better than it was in this video. Do you have any recommendations on how to make my voiceover sound better? Any advice would be appreciated. Also for your KH1-esque game, I would suggest having a bit of weight for the character both out of and in combat. You obviously don’t want to have your character be a magnet to the floor, but KH1 combat wouldn’t work nearly as well if Sora was so floaty like he is in some of the later titles. Also maybe consider adding counters to mashing, for example if you don’t mash the attack button and time your hits, you will be rewarded with dealing more damage than if you were to.

[@OfficialRaveBlitz]

MF is just terrible, TERRIBLE Boss design! Doesn't help that Nomura and the Devs didn't realize that Birth By Sleep's combat system doesn't work with that kind of boss. Put Mysterious Figure into any of the main KH games, and he'd work a hell of alot better.

[@Urastinker]

KH1 has something similar but even then I don't recall KH1's secret boss being nearly as horrid as this one

[@snakwa]

You mean The Unknown? He’s way better than Mysterious Figure.

[@hall1009]

The Unknown is no questiond asked a better fight but it's a really disappointing one. Every time I have fought him he is either way to difficult due to me being low level (around 50 when he usually becomes accessible to fight) or when at recommend level (around 70) just a cakewalk.

[@edboi2154]

That damn air stab Mysterious Figure did couldn’t be air stepped out of in the American version..it was nearly impossible to do it as Terra there but it was done. I remember watching my older brother pull it off. The amount of respect I have for him afterward is high.

[@nesoukkefka1741]

That attack was also very cheap even with Ventus and Aqua, cause when you use a Surge he can just instantly get out of the combo and immediatly start this attack and if this happen he is guaranteed to catch at the end of the Surge's i-frames, which on the Original PSP Western version of BBS was like a 75% chance of dying, almost all my deaths on the OG versions with Ventus or Aqua where due to that bullshit.

[@puretwilight1324]

KH2 Sephiroth was much easier than KH1 Sephiroth

[@arthurmiles3776]

That's be sora's even stronger and has even more mobility

[@DiademAce]

Also the combat is different allowing for said faster movement. Kh2 sepheroth is pretty much a joke when leveled high enough😂

[@DiademAce]

@e2011ugdia get second chance and once more plus you can dodge roll it with lvl 2 dodge roll

[@TetsuRiken]

​@e2011ugdiaypu can use the rc or reflect too (unless you are doing a rando sometimes that is an issue) its not that hard of a move to deal with

[@kal-elsmith]

Limit Form

[@imor77]

"mf teaches you to throw everything you learned out the window and cheese him" - this is the most real shit i have ever heard in my life. you made many good points that i agree with. this boss is NOT well designed,. resorting to cheese should NOT be the only option to beat a super boss. so many things wrong with the fight that needs to be fixed. amazing video. keep it up.

[@AidenAlias]

puts the BS in BBS

[@Sandwiches_StudioArts]

Im now convinced that the mysterious figure wasnt beaten by Any of the 3 so easily And that it is canon that Riku was way stronger enough then all of em to defeat him in dream drop distance and that he was not a nerfed fight

[@25shadow11]

the fcuked up thing is: As you said, normally secret bosses and the like are meant to test EVERYTHING you've learned, all the skills you've gained, like perhaps say all the best and personal abilities of each character in BBS. The Meteor moves for Terra, the Tornado for Ventus, the fire float thing for Aqua..and they ALL can use the screen nuke Mega Flare.... notice how ALL the powerful and exclusive skills are absolutely WORTHLESS against MF....but HE can use them to SUCH an extent that you cannot fathom. He uses YOUR hard earned skills against you, and BETTER than you, too. He SPAMS mega flare and meteor at the same time, he has no reason to do that, but he sure can and WILL. Not only can he block, but he actually has RENEWAL BLOCK, as if he needed that, he needed the ability to heal, WHICH HE CAN ALREADY DO WITH HIS TIME REWIND. Xemnas in KH1 was looking at MF like: Xemnas: ok bro, chill. I get we need to be powerful, but not THAT unfair.. Seriously, *I* had the weakness to Zantentsuken, gravity strike and the gravity spells in general, you can even hit me with them as I teleport. Then Lingering Will chimes in: LW: despite my legendary and well earned reputation, I had the weakness of taking more damage as you combo'd me. You'll notice that as you combo'd me, the damage kept going up higher and higher, especially with the finishers, hence people using that Fenrir keyblade and limit form. Then Sephiroth comes in: Sephiroth: In kh1, I was just a difficult but ultimately REASONABLE sword fight. You can even invul through some of my attacks with limits, strike raid was especially effective. KH2 had Reflect, need I say more? Come FM2, they added limit form, so Sora had a PLETHORA of options of combating me. Seriously, Heartless angel in BOTH games can be easily stopped. Your doom is something no one can ever see coming. You literally cherry picked each characters best moves, somehow made them even better and unfair, then as a bonus, make yourself invisible? What DON'T you do?

[@x-blades2145]

MF then says being an reasonable and well balanced boss fight Julius then comes in hearing this conversation and says even though I'm an annoying boss fight at least I don't heal myself all the time because I and the others can't heal

[@25shadow11]

@@x-blades2145 Vanitas chimes in: buddy, while I CAN heal, it is very situational, and I have one singular bar of health. You literally do whatever you please

[@x-blades2145]

@@25shadow11 dustflier then says: and here I am being only healed by magic the player casts and I'm regarded as the longest boss yeah right you take why more time than I do to be beaten!

[@25shadow11]

@@x-blades2145 Yozora walks in: I know it may SEEM like I have no room to talk, but my ai isn't effected by the characters OPTIONS. I'm a hard but FAIR AND STRICT boss. My madness has a method, and I don't punish players for having the ability to HEAL. What right do you have to FORCE the player to choose what YOU want them to choose? "Oh, you have a bunch of cures? Then I'll be as cheap and unfair as possible". For real? And I didn't have like, 2 screen nukes, it's like everything you DO is a Desperation Move

[@x-blades2145]

@@25shadow11 mysterious figure then tries to reply: well if you think I'm bad then they are bad just like me (points to xeahnorts and erauqus's armor) Both of the armors cutting him off: don't try to drag us down with you, at least we allow the players to have a breather and we give them a not the best final test but a reasonable final test.

[@christopherb.5797]

I still remember fighting him in the original psp version where you can’t escape the whip grab.

[@lpfan4491]

The secret bosses in Re:coded are sadly not too far off in quality(They basically just suck. The most sane strategy is to just two-tap them with the broken command that is judgement and hope they die before you do) and they don't even have their own bossthemes. Of course, people always forget them because only few people have actually played the DS games. Also, it is amazing that this fight is actually canon(Certain moves Sora can use in COM/Re:Chain don't make much sense if Ventus didn't see them here and it logically makes sense, him making a quick visit back before going to graveyard because he got yeeted out by Terra), but it's just literally not acknowledged once. 4:11 Funny thing about D-links, Peter Pan's cheese finisher can actually crash the game here if the boss decides to block it. May be dependant on the version of the game(The newer KH-ports are kinda poor and less stable), but it can happen. 5:14 Which is nice. Osaka Team actually thought these dodges are so broken that they need to force an instakill, even tho they actually suck. BBS, everyone.

[@alexandremontesinos7876]

this boss is obviously young xehanort wich explains why xehanort has another body for terra-nort on top of his main self. my guess is young xeha gave terra-nort another body or maybe a vessel so he could be terra-nort while also having a body for his original self, explaining why he is here probably due to time travel (young xehanort is known for time travel).

[@narayananmohan8114]

So I played this game extensively in my childhood and I have some additional info that might be of help to you or anyone else. Graviga works - Its especially helpful because MS will jump back but still occasionally be hit with decent damage (Better than most spells at least). Blocks work on most physical attacks. Doesn't work against his sonic blade, fire storm, tornado, or the spear from above - but it DOES work against his general melee spam (but always better to avoid it), his Fiery X attack, and the Strings (Precursor to Doom). Curaga/esuna + Block = Heal block CAN work to restore your HP in a pinch. Reprisals DO work - but not the movement based ones. Ven has one where he dodges to the back of the enemy, and has a follow up strike to the back. I BELIEVE (its been 10+ years since I played this, cmon people) this works. But Aqua's is useless since its only a teleport. I do believe that all counter reprisals work as well, but then its a task of instinctively counting i-frames and spamming surge commands as you're waiting for your animation to end. Point is, there ARE some strategies that DO work. I remember back in the day where one person had ONLY 2 Curaga commands (and they were boosted by the magic haste abilities) and did the combat mostly solo while using reprisals and heal block. I also remember someone brought ice cream to immediately go into wing blade command mode, and that was fast enough with combo and air combo plusses that you could lock the MS into YOUR combo. Some risk required. Some Major balls too. XD

[@randallmart92]

I legit broke two psp square buttoms dodge rolling the fuck outta this fight...i still have nightmares all these years later 😂

[@Faceless_time_traveler]

Sometimes I wish to hold the developers of BBS at gunpoint and demand that they defeat the boss without surges with all characters. Is that psychotic of me? Yes, that's what fighting this MF does to you. Like I can't even enjoy the violin theme without feeling anger from that fight. I just want to see how the developers envisioned this fight in their game, how they play-tested it, if any of them managed to defeat it.

[@ShenDoodles]

Apparently none of the devs could do it at all as Terra.

[@nachos1162]

Honestly the best strat for this as Terra on crit to me is you take 4 cura and 4 thunder surge (if he sends out the orbs you need exactly 4 to live if you miss dodging 1 of the hits) and unequip every ability except treasure magnet, thunder boost, scan, once more, second chance, leaf bracer, attack haste, and magic haste (basically only keep stuff that keeps you alive or let's you attack and heal faster) and have renewal block on for the x projectile thing. Fight him as normal and when he's about to go invisible (it's hard to keep an eye on him but around the time you get him to half hp keep an eye on him) and if he starts going invisible just keep hammering him with thunder surge. Once he goes invisible it's like a 99% chance the fight is over. You wanna try to stun lock him with the thunder surge cuz once he gets to that hp threshold he will keep spamming it so he won't attack so long as he hasn't gone invisible and he's past the threshold. (he will still attack occasionally but usually he just keeps trying to vanish) if you keep him from going invis he can't use meteor or mega flare. I've beaten this fight as Terra on crit 3 times cuz I wanted to get all the achievements and trophies on ps3, ps4 and Xbox. It's a lot of pain but honestly the "go super aggressive once he hits the invi threshold" is the key to winning. It's EXTREMELY important you prevent that. If you can make it to that phase and then go hard enough he crumples like a piece of paper. I hate this boss so much. Oh also make sure your shortcut is on your first cura in your stack of 4 so if he does something where he machine guns attacks out and you need to keep healing you can just hit triangle instead of scrolling the deck. Idk who thought any of this was a good idea.

[@uroy8371]

They design mysterious figure to over kill the player with most of his attacks. But is hilarious to see him hit his sword clone combo on a corner xD

[@GalakStari]

I’ve beaten him a few times in 2.5 remix as Ventus and Aqua, and I actually liked fighting him as Ventus, to a degree. But Terra. *Terra*. I must have died a hundred times before I FINALLY beat Mysterious Figure with Terra. Once I did, I felt SO relieved. And now, Yozora, Lingering Will, and some of the Data Fights in 2 are the only bosses I haven’t beaten.

[@kag2576]

I've been thinking of this EXACT topic recently for some reason. I despise this fight, it is so awfully designed! If I could summarise the problem of this fight in one word it'd be interaction or the lack thereof on the player's end. Almost every beloved super-boss in the series is like a dance where you have to abide by the bosses rhythm through blocks, counters etc and utilising magic and attacks at the appropriate moment. They offer the opportunity to apply a wealth of mechanics and strategies so that even if you haven't used the optimum strategy you can still beat them with whatever loadout you're using. This is why, for example, people are often happy to fight Lingering Will with a standard loadout instead of relying on Fenrir cheese, because it's satisfying to do so. But what do fights against MF look like: directionless dodge rolls, thunder surge, maybe a heal on loop. MF does not give players any opportunity to use the items in their toolbox throught their continuous ineffectiveness or through straight up ignoring specific commands. The fact that the commands you have influence his RNG so heavily it is optimal to do the fight a specific way because it's less of a headache has to be a specific choice by the developers. It feels like a fight deliberately designed to be hard for the sake of being hard through making inconveniences as oppose to designing a fun fight. It's a design philosophy that's rampant throughout BBS where bosses like Vanitas will pull tricks out of their ass simply to be like 'ooo, you didn't expect that' but in context it's just unfair and frustrating. MF is this taken to the extreme, a constant onslaught of attacks that offer no openings or ways to counter filled with mechanics that exist to be a nuisance all affected by RNG you don't know is being influenced by your command deck unless you see that's the case elsewhere. It's a fight that prioritises it's unfair difficulty over providing a fun challenge.

[@BlufireTheifprince]

I would say this is the worst Superboss as well because it's so cheap as well but I also say that carries over into my worst boss fight in the series. Young Xehanort in The original 3DS version of DDD because the controls were not as smooth and the grind of powering up your dream eaters to get powerful commands was rough as well, with the jank of the controls of the 3DS and YMX being just as if not more difficult than MF made me think "who in thier right mind would make the Superboss of BBS more difficult and make him a mandatory fight in the Finale of DDD? WHO ELSE BUT NOMURA!"

[@MastaGambit]

Honestly YX even in the 2.8 port of DDD is still fucking bullshit, primarily because he's part of the main story, not an optional fight. When I got to that point in the story, I didn't even have Dark Guard for Riku. That fight is reasonably impossible w/o it. It wasn't until I literally looked up a Dream Eater skill guide on the kh wiki was I able to get the necessary skills for RIku that I needed to fight the boss. And even then the fight still felt like some serious fucking nonsense. I hate Osaka team

[@BlufireTheifprince]

@@MastaGambit Even then the 2.8 port of Dream drop removed the janky controls and playing it on console is so much easier, Original hardware was almost impossible even with Dark guard and dark roll, atleast with the 2.8 port you can attempt a level 1 critical run, original hardware? Forget it

[@SimCon02]

As a person who defeated Mysterious figure with terra on critical, no commands, no shotlocks + other restrictions there are no words to describe the amount of frustration it gave me. There is the video on my channel but I never posted it for views, I don't care about that, just for the memory of a thing I will never do again😅

[@soulsolis3096]

As I keep on thinking too deep on the development of this game, I still can't tell if that boss was purely intentional or not by the devs

[@DemiTrusdale3]

Sephiroth is kinda late game, but not really. Sephiroth unlocks after a keyhole/story quota. It is possible to unlock him before returning to twilight town, or never encounter him even in post game… as it solely depends on hallow bastion and tron. And the end game has a smaller keyhole quota for unlocking twtnw.

[@pedrogarcia8706]

but he's still ~level 70 which is decidedly end game

[@snakwa]

I am aware that Sephiroth can be fought before Xemnas in KH2 and before all of the other superbosses by virtue, but he’s very tough for most players without endgame equipment and high levels, especially on Critical Mode.

[@lpfan4491]

That's kind of a requirement, actually. Since one could not originally save after the final boss.

[@MastaGambit]

Reminds me of the first time I played KH2 vanilla back in the day; I literally went from start to finish without ever touching Pride Lands. I didn't even fucking realize it existed LOL. What's even weirder was that I was expecting to be able to fight Sephiroth after beating the final boss, cuz i had seen an old YT vid at the time of people fighting him and saying you had to beat the game (lol) before i had even gotten the game later that year, so when I went to the area where Sephy was supposed to be and didn't see him, i was so confused. That was when i eventually discovered Pride Lands on the world map. lol

[@niklasw.1297]

Fun fact: You can actually fight Sephiroth before Roxas. I don't know why anyone would do that, considering you would have to fight Sephy WITHOUT COMBO MASTER. On the other hand you could use Fenrir on Roxas. Which is also kinda useless 'coz DP does more damage than Fenrir anyway and for the Fenrir Cheese to work you need to be close to lvl 99. Just some of the weird non-linear stuff that KH2 lets you do.

[@killercross9929]

Mysterious figures in all the times they show up: “this boss was designed.” “Genius!” Said the marketing team

[@TheLostCrusader-q8c]

I just tackled this boss as terra, going through to platinum trophy. Took me 3 hours. Definitely feels like a really unfair battle, where is seems to be more luck then skill that gets you through to the win. The venitus lingering will was tough, Took about an hour with terra. But atleast in that one you could learn his attack patterns and actually dodge his attacks. This fight you could overcome with skill, but was still quite challenging.

[@TophDaGreat]

It wasn't the absurdity of the boss itself. It was the constant dodge rolls and cartwheels you have to do over and over. Especially on the PSP version where it made your thumbs bleed. There is this is challenging but fun and then there is this. Awful game design.

[@johangodojolo8652]

Great video! Just one thing I noticed that I know isn't true is at the end when you said cura has a shorter cooldown than curaga. In bbs all versions of cure actually have the same cooldown, it's only in the later command deck games that they made each stronger version have a longer cooldown. Other than that this is really informative, keep up the good work

[@snakwa]

Thanks for the info. I always simply assumed it would due to being a better version of the magic being cast. I will rectify this in part 2 at the start of the video before going on to what else I have to discuss.

[@red-asassin9817]

I remember how long it took for me to defeat Yozora in critical mode. One of the hardest Bosses I ever thought, but God was it satisfying beating Him. He was the Ultimate Test from everything you learned(Especially from the Data fights before). MF on the other Hand was so Goddam BORING!!! Just dodge spam and surge and it drags on for SO LONG!!! He isn’t even that difficult just really Timedraining. After I beat him I felt nothing. No Joy, no accomplishment, Nada. This is how you DONT make a Superboss…..EVER!!!!

[@RhyperiorRanger]

My favorite part of the music is the violin solo from after where your favorite part is

[@xemnas1997]

I beat him as Terra with the same commands except an extra thunder surge and only 2 curas, and I had one cura in the middle of the 6 thunder surges so they were easier to access quickly. Took me probably about 6 hours spread over 2 days because I rage quit the first day, and I was only able to beat him because he used that move where he jumps and throws the X shape at you like 6 times in a row and I surged into him every time until he died

[@TheEclipsedLock]

It blows my mind to this day that either second chance or once more (I keep forgetting which us which) is broken through in this fight. Are the attacks just programmatically enabled to do that or is it just a bug? I've always wondered...

[@sky_pirate]

I think it has to do with the stun duration & accidentally regaining control (breaking his combo).

[@zaqareemalcolm]

im guessing it works by time between hits instead of whether theyre in knockback animation or smth

[@NoctiisXIII]

one thing: why does everyone call him "mysterious figure"? mysterious figure is xemnas in kh1, young xehanort in bbs is called "unknown". its not that serious but its a big pet peeve of mine :/

[@snakwa]

In the KH1 journal, Xemnas is referred to as Unknown when you check his entry (otherwise he is just a question mark). But, I also know that the KH1 trophy list refers to him as The Mysterious Man. It’s probably just to differentiate both bosses.

[@zaqareemalcolm]

It was the name given to him in the BBS Strategy Guide published by BradyGames like a decade ago, and it stuck

[@Tp4l9219]

Mysterious figure with Terra... HORRIBLE!!!

[@Chango-212]

Nice video snake. Your voice makes for very good commentary!!

[@snakwa]

Thanks Chango, I appreciate the feedback. Do you know if there’s anyone else in Boomers who has actually watched the video lol

[@Chango-212]

@@snakwanah I don’t know I was askin them if they watched it but I guess they didnt. Actually insane how well edited this video is tho!! Especially knowing you used share factory to make this

[@raymanfreak7739]

"Mysterious Figure is the worst superboss in Kingdom Hearts." Me with Yozora: Hold my Apple Juice. XD

[@sakonan4883]

This fight is terrible, but it sucks that we need to make a whole essay about how it sucks,because on paper, this fight sounds good. I try to explain to people why this fight sucks and it sounds like it isn’t bad. I think the best way to explain it is that name something an action game can do wrong, and this battle does it.

[@froakie1404]

I honestly thought almost any boss in birth by sleep that was really fast was actually abhorrent (terranort in terra’s story, all the super bosses)

[@goldeneyekiller101]

...sephiroth on kh2 was entirely immune to all magic attacks too

[@viruschris3160]

I remember when I fought him on the PSP. I heard horror stories about the Secret Boss and looked up what was the best strat and it was Thunder Surge spam. I used Ven and my lord… took me several attempts but I did beat him. It was such a struggle and began wonder who would someone take this same boss fight and change it to be something more fun and fair? Regardless I did not attempt this fight again with either Aqua or Terra. Wasn’t worth it. Might do it on the HD Remix when I got back to it again as they did fix the fight to be more fair.

[@snakwa]

If you are going to do it on the HD Remix, just do it as Aqua and Ven. Don’t bother with Terra unless you are going for 100%, it really isn’t worth the time it takes.

[@mataskonstantinov897]

A great first video for your channel. Hope you keep up the quality for your other videos.

[@andrewaguilar3291]

I beat this guy only once...and I rested afterwards.

[@dankloremaster]

You've never fought the real superboss of RE:Coded and it shows.

[@Dr.AvenVon]

lol, they are still better than MF.

[@elijahcook1153]

This final fantasy gameplay is really good

[@ewokblock4665]

I thought it was Halo: CE, on the mission of the Library

[@ShenDoodles]

Vanitas Remnant is a very close second for me, he's too fast for a game that's as slow as it is. Regular Vanitas was a fantastic series of fights because it was just slow enough to be fair.

[@DkKombo]

I wanna fight mysterious figure in other kh games like 2 or 3 and see if he's able to be just as much as a menace lol

[@snakwa]

He does feel like a KH2 superboss that was just put in another game (similar to how Julius in DDD feels like a BBS superboss). If you were to put him in other KH games he would probably not be too bad of a fight, but BBS works against that with the lack of some mechanics like hit stun

[@greyngo]

@@snakwa Honestly you could almost make the point that the whole reason why BBS sucks is that it doesn't have hit stun and revenge values.

[@niklasw.1297]

It would probably be even worse in the other games because MF *requires* the infinite I-Frames from the dodge spam. The other games just do not give you enough I-frames to survive. I could see KH2 Reflect and Magnet being useful against the clones? Maybe? KH1 cure-spam + Leafbracer could keep you alive for a while + Aero also exists.

[@ISuckAtVideoGames4Ever]

6:09 AYO MYSTERIOUS FIGURE CALM DOWN VEN IS JUST A KID!! BRO VEN IS BEING *R Word Here* SOMEONE HELP HIM!

[@PipeGuy64Bit]

It really feels like this boss is designed to troll the player given all the decisions that were made for it. Also the endcard of this video features a playlist that isn't available.

[@snakwa]

I completely agree with you on your opinion on the boss. Just completely unfair design. Thanks for informing me about the end card though, it’s meant to link to a playlist where my new videos will be but I’m not sure why it’s not working.

[@PipeGuy64Bit]

@@snakwa I can only imagine you set the playlist to "private" by mistake

[@snakwa]

@@PipeGuy64BitI tried changing it and it didn’t work. It might just be because this is the only video in the playlist as of now. It’s fine though, I just changed it to the video in the description of me beating MF as Terra.

[@EvilFloww]

I hate the yozora fight could be because that music brings 0 hype and tension

[@Espurr.8]

I remember doing the is boss as Terra it was a pain but I did it without the cheese

[@sileopatronus]

I wouldn't call MF the only unfair bs boss, Julius in DDD is also pretty horrendous and Vanitas Remnant has some nonsense attacks

[@snakwa]

Don’t worry, I have a video planned for Julius at least. He’s always felt like a leftover superboss from BBS that they wanted in the game but they just couldn’t find a place where he would fit so they threw him into DDD.

[@joshuaijaola2145]

Cool video man! I hope to see more from you

[@snakwa]

Thank you. I will definitely be doing more past this video, it’s done really well to my surprise and this was the first time I actually enjoyed making a video in years.

[@Faming59]

i would say use cure then cura. just cuz cure has a shorter cooldown and he puts u at 1 hp. so it doesn't matter what hp ur actually on. at least more then 2. but like the guy said sometimes it'll just kill u even in a combo i think part of the reason this boss is so hard is cuz of how the characters are designed. attacks are slow, when using a command u gotta wait a sec to be able to use a dodge, block or air slide and terra specifically has the worst dodge. elemental abilities are useless anyway. cuz for damage on ur dodge u lose invincibility frames. so even tho u can't use it against mf u still wouldn't anyway if the game had animation cancelling, faster animation and better dodges for terra then this fight isn't as hard. it'll still be hard but not nearly as hard. it's the limitations bbs puts on u that makes it hard. it's why with the big bosses u use shotlocks/invincibility moves cuz u can cheese something that would normally be hard oh and btw this boss got nerfed a bit in the 2.5 releases. not by much i believe but the og fm version on psp was harder. AND GUESS WHAT I'M PLAYING ON??? THE EMULATED VERSION OF KH BBS FM WITH AN ENGLISH PATCH AND HD TEXTURES CUZ OF ONLINE. I HATE MYSELF

[@Mopsamaxwell]

Well, his Attacks are pretty Cool! & the Idea is pretty cool! But... unfortunately, it makes 78% of your arsenal & gameplay mechanics useless.. & he takes out your health in 1 hit

[@Jblade343]

For each character tips Ven: Just press square and x, you’ll be surprised with how I beat MF was to block his 13 hit combo and keep pressing counter, reversal works too, heal block is essential for this and I only needed one cure for Ven, Aqua, You can block the laser attackd with her, but don’t use her counter blast, MF is too unpredictable for this, and under no circumstances go into Ghost Drive Terra: Unison Rush and Dark haze help a lot here, if you plan on using counter hammer, don’t use heal block as there’s a weird bug where Heal block makes counter hammer do less damage. Aqua D Link is very much useful here All: Blocking is very very underused in this fight, mine square does no damage but forces MF to jump, making it easy to counter, Aerial Slam and Fission Firaga to knock MF up to attack, especially useful against his raging storm. Don’t attack during Invisible mode as he can still block but he won’t be staggered at all. Or just go with Surge Dpam

[@chizzicle]

Been a while since the last time I played BBS, but nice to see the strat I randomly stumbled on after trying to beat him for a couple of hours, that is thunder surge spam, is how everyone else beats him too, but yeah, kinda obviously bad design when there is like one strat that works at all really, and it's a pretty cheesy one

[@d4rksonic474]

It has to do with his AI being influenced by your equipped commands, I believe. Apparently he's more likely to do X if you have Y.

[@Rene-g4m]

The only Superboss in Kingdom Hearts Series i could not beat without chessing ^^ Yozora was Hard but after 2 Hours i Beat him

[@Liam-makai]

Great video joe

[@ewokblock4665]

Who is Joe?

[@allanbirk3171]

It’s snakwa’s real name

[@crashh591]

I've never played a single Kingdom Heart's game but I CAN'T STAND Mysterious Figure!

[@snakwa]

Cheers boss

[@TheSpecialPsycho]

We players appreciate your solidarity

[@PrinceKodi776]

He’s just so rude

[@the1384]

Birth by Sleep Super Bosses where so Hard. Its sad that Surges, Mines and Cura where the only Strategie against them. I remember that I also used a Lock On that would heal me and a Finish Command that is a Heal Surge😂

[@rpgman161]

He actually jumps over the Mines

[@davidsurette4151]

As far as cheese goes Aqua and ven can cheese ok some issue but relatively painless. Then there is tarra what a miserable time that was can't dodge shit. The doom move is the biggest issue. Had to read up on MF turns out if your load out isn't done right he starts in phase 2 and doom is used from the start of the fight

[@SuperCaitball]

It's almost like the combat system in BBS is too shit to create an interesting super-boss otherwise. :^)

[@AustinJosephTamargo]

God bless you man did you actually beat him with all 3 characters yet?

[@snakwa]

I’ve beat him as all 3, my wins are linked in the description. It was tough doing it as Terra, but it gives you enough experience to beat him as Aqua and Ventus much more easily.

[@vadandrumist1670]

I think this boss is primarily a problem due to his speed, and how KH designs its bosses. The drawbacks of fast characters in game design is usually how they are far more vulnerable more frequently, and less durable, thus they have to rely on using their speed responsively to sustain themselves. They also tend to be weaker for damage unless especially fragile, at least insofar as individual hits goes. With Kingdom Hearts boss design though even the weakest agile bosses have much more health, deal loads of damage, invincibility and super armor, and have next to no (if any at all) responsiveness whatsoever. As such the only real difference comes down to their speed and gimmicks. This is in part why Lexaeus is considered the weakest of all KH2 superbosses, and why Lingering Will is incredibly fast. However, this is usually not a problem, because the player character is almost always faster with rapid defensive options. This has escalated into KH3 where Sora is so fast he can repeated block/counter/block against even persistent attacks, and so the superbosses have to primarily rely on suprise teleports and unblockable attacks to keep up. However, in BBS the characters are at their most unresponsive, which makes them slow, which results in Mysterious Figure being faster than them while also possessing all of the usual superboss perks, and even has some blocking and evasion to boot.

[@joselay3802]

literally, I am only do with aqua and maybe with ventus and that's final , this far too hard and even almost impossible to win with terra with their poor dodge mechanic, I died a couple of times on proud because of this during the story and some boss fights , literally kh bbs becames a pain during the post game beacuse of this boss, if the mf somehow modedd into kh 2 or kh3 that gonna be another story because sora would Definitely crush this boss with their forms.

[@ewokblock4665]

nice video snake. You could make for very good dark and darker youtuber!!

[@snakwa]

Cheers for the recommendation there

[@Anotherone-rl3ok]

And this is the reason why I put this game always in easy mode... Call me coward casual, but I prefer enjoy and relax in the game instead of a frustrating challenge

[@Xxandrew01]

By far the most BULLSHIT super boss in the series. Especially as Terra. You mind as well be fighting MF in handicap mode at that point. Seriously did ANYONE at Sqaure Enix play test this boss?

[@snakwa]

There are rumours that even Square Enix’s play testing team couldn’t beat this boss as Terra back when the game launched on PSP, but I chose to avoid mentioning it in the video as even though lots of people believe it, there isn’t much validity behind it.

[@TheSpecialPsycho]

Yozora is even a more fair boss And play-testers broke down involving him

[@zackc5973]

Ok but hear me out. Iron prisoner III and IV are equally bullshit, except they dont have a cheese strategy. And at least mysterious figures cheese strategy is better than kh2s Lingering Will fightstrategy of stun locking him.

[@brando5758]

lingering will you can beat him without a cheese but mysterious figure you can't do anything but cheese him because of his Mechanics

[@TheSpecialPsycho]

Terra has to cheese him. Ven & Aqua are both able to win without cheese This is literally because of Terra's inferior dodge ability

[@zackc5973]

@@brando5758 While thats true, how many people do you know irl that defeated Lingering Will legitimately. Everyone I know either didnt bother with it, or used the fenrir stunlock method to get the trophy. Sephiroth to me in kh1 and 2 and the Data org xiii in 2 was the perfect level of difficulty with a superboss. The rest in 1 was too easy imo, and DDD had another cheap super boss imo havent played 3 yet so idk anout that game

[@narmeya3177]

​​​​@@zackc5973hello, im actually doing the kh ( im on start of ddd actually ) and i did lingering will fair, it was fun to learn and much easier than vanitas/mysterious figure, my favorite in bbs is probably eraqus armor since he his propably the least abusive spammer of them, i stream all of them so you can check if you dont believe me its not that hard and far less frustrating, also i agree with you the iron prisoner 3 and 4 are annoying af, spinning go brr

[@eddytennyson9546]

They literally both do, the Iron Imprisoners are all massively weak against Reprisals, Firaga spells and Terra's sonic impact. That's not even touching the Raging Storm exploit. Also, people beat LW legitimately all the time.

[@PrinceKodi776]

Why do sub-par bosses always get the greatest music to go along with them?(looking at you paper Mario sticker star) Great vid btw

[@chrisluvener173]

I love KH, the standard bosses in the game have a patern you can follow and beat them even if your level is too low. But the super bosses are always broken and usaally never for the right reasons. I feel they are cheap and it doesnt really come down to skill sadly.

[@monokomomo4977]

to be fair post kh2 super bosses was made with a new team that didn't understand how to make a fair but annoying boss and it shows till said team made kh3 limit cut bosses where it shows they improved alooot compared to mysterious figure that they made

[@gigarmon]

people failing against that boss forget d-links exist

[@TheSpecialPsycho]

Oh I remember. I use the blue arrow to know if I got my whole deck back yet

[@itsrottweiler9545]

Great taste in music 🔥🤙

[@liamShorts-pp3zw]

Chese

[@James-df2qi]

Cheese is good if you can spell it

[@Liam-makai]

Learn to speel fool

[@niklasw.1297]

@@James-df2qi *Cheese is good if you can smell it

[@gregrox101]

y r u british

[@grizzlybear6377]

Dunno what ya mean, mate 🇬🇧

[@VitorKujo2410]

nah hes easy just use surge magic commands :troll:

[@sem_aki]

Nice

[@Buccialight]

I disagree, hes actually fairly fun once you learn him. Theres tons of techniques people just refuse to learn/find them. Stickman sham has some good vids on it, but also i forget his name but theres this other guy who has found other strats. One of the strats is using the Big Bad Pete and Spark Lemon, Dark Impulse acts as a strong damage output, i remember someone saying it is almost like the negative combo strat for LW in Kh2

[@snakwa]

If you find the fight fun more power to you, I just found it miserable to do lol. Out of curiosity, what is your least favourite superboss in the franchise?

[@Buccialight]

@snakwaDNL Well I haven't bought Re:Mind yet, however I think I'll enjoy most of those fights. My least favorite from what I have done is probably Kurt Zisa or Julius. I love the idea of Julius but it's extremely long if you dont cheese it, and Kurt Zisa is just not that fun IMO

[@MastaGambit]

Just because people find a boss to be bullshit does not automatically mean that they refused to learn the fight. It's called criticism. And it's funny that you mentioned Sham because he's been one of the most critical about the Osaka Team games, let alone about BBS's inherent jank.

[@Buccialight]

@MastaGambit atleast he does something instead of just whinging

[@MastaGambit]

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