Mythic+ DPS Tier List | The War Within

[@FackeYu]

i don't normally pay any serious attention to any tier lists, but when tettles uploads a tier list video... well, i still don't take it seriously, because it's a tier list and you can't look into the future. but, at least it kills 30 minutes.

[@jvdpc7]

I'm not really fond of these lists specially if the people making them call any spec "not playable" specially because 99% of the people watching this video are not people competing for the top 100 highest keys in the world. Any spec can beat 12-15 keys, you don't need lust, you don't need BRES, you don't need the correct damage pattern, you just need to know how to play your spec and you will time it. No problem with tiers, but a "not playable" tier? No, fuck that. And I'm an Arcane Mage saying that.

[@moonman62]

I think Petko does these kind of tier lists a lot better.

[@clivezilla05]

@@moonman62 Petko ftw

[@Ribcut]

@@jvdpc7 " 99% of the people watching this video are not people competing for the top 100 highest keys in the world." I'm not sure why people like you repeat this tired, half balked argument. It's bad for casual players for the same reason it's bad for top 100 players. This idea something being bad magically only affects top 100 players is just something you repeat, because you've heard someone else say it. Meanwhile in reality, it doesn't make actual sense outside of your own head. It just becomes more noticeable at that level. Oh I'm not mythic raiding, so this obviously bad spec is fine! No. Just stop.

[@schmidth]

Obviously can't look a month into the future, but time and time again with every major patch we see that the specs in the higher tiers in these preliminary tier lists are FAR more likely to still be high tier in a month, than the lower tier specs are likely to suddenly be much better in a month.

[@nighttraintv5208]

I love that Tettles mentioned how Blizzard does balancing. I swear that 90% of the time if people don't make enough noise they only tune off of raid damage. I really wish they would look at m+ balance more.

[@burkles4456]

how do they balance M+ when I'm bad in +5s on the meta and there are people who bang out +20s on the worst class? How do you balance for both of us?

[@skdeathxlife]

@@burkles4456 Wouldn't it be the same in a raid too?

[@محمدبینخانی]

They dont care about they can check the top logs and try fix class,they can fix specs not players​@@burkles4456

[@otaserus]

Don't worry, Fire Mage is just sandbagging, they'll get a random 37% aurabuff a week in.

[@Orchelium-xb6zm]

They'll take Ele Shaman's spot. It will be a cold day in hell before a pve meta hits where Ele is actually good if the theory crafters are saying it will be.

[@Zx17OPv57i]

they need at least 50% to compete

[@matheusferreira5203]

As a Fire main, this is unfortunately the case, i do not do high level content anymore ( only KSM / AOTC and i`m done ) but fire mage mains cry too much when other mage specs are meta, literally on the mages discord they are hating on arcane. Let the spec be dead a lil bit it deserves the hatred and to be trash. I will be playing it and doing sunfury regardless of the state of the class because it looks cool to be kaelthas.

[@christmasham4312]

True

[@grahamvandyke]

Mages aren't allowed by blizz to ever be bad in M+, so they'll be making a big comeback.

[@kylehenson277]

Bro hates ww monk

[@mercury9276]

Ww shine in dungeons lol imo

[@danwalsh8530]

A WW kicked his ass in open world one day and now always plays WM off

[@stephenEs3532]

ww rotation is even more SLEEPER than BM

[@99Plastics]

@@stephenEs3532 it's literally the most engaging "rotation" you're coping hard af about your 1 button spammer class lol

[@Jaredius]

They will nerf Sin. There’s no way they’ll let us have a fun turn at meta.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

Well see how accurate this ends up being outside of the top end

[@Wraghelm]

It’s not made for that…? I mean I wouldn’t fault him for it being inaccurate outside the top end

[@nicklasjensen9043]

Outside the top end it hardly matters. Player skill (or the lack thereof) is going to be the deciding factor outside of the top end. Only when people play perfect does Blizzard's tuning actually matter. I am sure even BM is going to appear good in many groups because most groups consist of people making many mistakes, and simple classes are going to appear better than they are in that environment.

[@Wraghelm]

@@nicklasjensen9043 Preach king

[@OMGITSJAD]

B and C dont really mean much since you can only bring 3 DPS...so anything in that level may as well be combined into a "good luck getting an invite in random pugs" tier

[@benwallychow]

Fearing as spriest with the "fear in place" talent has literally saved me in so many pugs. I imagine playing at your level people just know how to interrupt so its not needed lol

[@aar021]

Thank you Tettles!!!!😊

[@aaronalbertson8670]

I miss the days of not really being able to pull a mass amount of mobs without wiping. Cuz now, if you're a tank who DOESN'T pull four separate rooms of mobs at once while staying above 70% HP before jumping into the next set of 20 mobs, the dps in the group call you "dog shit" lol

[@DeionSC2]

I mean that's skill issue. Look at classic wow. With how good the player base is now they literally find a way to optimize the dg the same way even in the version of the game you're referring to. The fact of the matter is that they did those small pulls because EVERYONE was dog shit back then.

[@helion4187]

Well if you're not pulling as much as you can handle and going to your limit, you're just harming the key.

[@snowii5561]

i think you should not be afraid of pushing limits and dying because it will at the end of the day make you a better player

[@johnmassey2632]

My favorite part of tanking is learning how big I can go. I was a very mid player, last season doing one 15, but mostly 12-13 across the board. Seeing the tanks on KZbin do some massive pulls and then learning how to do it myself was always a great feeling. Especially as a brewmaster

[@The92Waffles]

@@snowii5561 It sucks but true. We can't be afraid to fuck up and be called bad. As long as you're improving after each run you're doing fine. And after a day those people you played with will have forgotten who you are anyway

[@cazkain]

For BM Blizz could buff multi shot, beast cleave and kill cleave with touching ST, just aoe talents !!!

[@samuelmeisterw]

The buffs to DK and even the buff to dual wield frost has made me excited to finally be able to switch from Havoc DH to Frost DK

[@lostheboss7938]

Wow how daring!!!

[@gamertd4093]

@@lostheboss7938 That statement says more about your low skill level than anything else you coulda come up with.

[@lostheboss7938]

@@gamertd4093 No it doesn't lmfao. Havoc and FDK are braindead easy.

[@daethmer7834]

@@lostheboss7938ok? It's a video game, you are proud of playing a complicated spec? Its a video game, none of this matters

[@lostheboss7938]

@@daethmer7834 Its a joke not dick dont take it so hard

[@drpeppaerdrpeppaer5434]

Please don't pick a class/spec on this guys opinions and list. He is 99.999999999% wrong about everything

[@joesaunders84]

Ngl im pretty new to wow and especially end game but from what ive played to 80 on ww and sp and they feel so strong

[@ovipaw]

idk mostly he was right in the past :)

[@Steffschenko]

I mean it's pretty close to Echos teirlist and if anyone should have it right it's them no? Then again, on an average Andy level it really does not matter at all.

[@rikardengstrom9133]

Exactly, this only matters if you have zero life besides wow.

[@gorecomplex]

100% dogshit tier list

[@Rewwgh]

I've never had a more difficult time picking a main for an expansion and that's a great sign. At this point I think it's better if I just don't choose one until I have several specs at 80. Thanks for the tierlist though!

[@Marlfox70]

Idk how much I'm into this list, other people putting WW monk in S tier, this guy makes an S tier then doesn't use it lol, like one of them people who drop a rating because "nobody is perfect"

[@cadeb11]

Yeah when he put WW in C I laughed out loud. He obviously has no clue the damage they do in keys right now.

[@eyezra6419]

@@cadeb11 unfortunately, meta isnt all just damage... its how good will WW be in insanely high keys (which is why most people should take meta lists with a grain of salt)

[@cheeseorwhatever]

did you watch the video? he explains what his s tier is for and why it's empty

[@cadeb11]

@@cheeseorwhatever yeah and he’s wrong about WW

[@aaronmost2858]

@@cadeb11 WW brings RoP, aoe stun, and melee buff. Melee buff is honestly not that useful, other classes bring plently of aoe cc, and it does less dmg than multiple melee specs. Rly not worth filling your melee slot with a WW right now in keys. Hence why its in C tier, i could maybe see low B tier but no higher than that.

[@BushesDid911]

I genuinely just have no clue what I want to play for M+ this expac. Lots of things look dope and it seems the meta is gonna be pretty wide open which is great.

[@milad-kh892]

awesome mate... looking forward for the tanking and healer tier list

[@rudedinosaur]

I think something would always go along well with these tier lists is a separate one that is "how fun is this to play in m+"....so that it pinpoints if it just like needs aura buffs or buffs to the fun talents, or if they should focus on changing them or buffing better talents etc

[@rudedinosaur]

but I guess that might be hard to do without playing all of them, idk just sounded like a good comparison video idea

[@JpDeltell]

I'm happy to see a good mix of melee and range at the top 😊

[@ohhhbirdy5975]

i will never understand it, i dont even main warrior nor have i ever, but if they have no utility, their damage should be higher than every other spec to make up for lack of utility

[@aaronalbertson8670]

I agree, but then every other class player would cry and poopoo in their pants about how their class does 0.9% less damage than the warrior lol.

[@jamesj5612]

Doesn't frost have very low utility?

[@paulomartins1813]

​@@jamesj5612dk has br and grip, and I'm not sure if frost have amz but I think so, even without amz the 2 first skills are more utility than most of the other class,s bring

[@chewyy50]

Assuming there will be tuning, bringing all specs closer to one another, my guess is that the meta will be a good bit more flexible than it has been, but synergies and raid buffs will dictate most of it. Prio/Funnel will also play a major role given the dungeon pool. As such my crystal ball shows me that the viable combinations will be: Aug-Mage-X, X being either lock or shaman, with vdh or bear tank, and pres or rdruid. Another combo could be rogue-enh-X, with rdruid and brm tank.

[@yungruuku]

Fel - Scarred started getting simmed correctly, and i couldnt be happier. Looks like it just flat better lol

[@toffeelatte6042]

This didn't age well, Feral's really good whilst Balance is fucking beans.

[@cadeb11]

I have over 200+ hours on the beta. WW monk has been on the top of the meters every single key I have done. They do very impressive damage. Seems like most content creators do not actually do research.

[@giorno9840]

None of these guys making tier lists agree on a majority of specs. Its just impossible for them to know everything, but they certainly try to

[@tangokilla]

Impressive damage sure but still doesn't hold a candle to fdk or arcane mages

[@cadeb11]

@@tangokilla it’s extremely close. Those classes are over tuned and will be adjusted. WW is in a great spot

[@tangokilla]

@@cadeb11 lol no it's not extremely close. Not at all

[@99Plastics]

this guys account doesn't have a single mythic raid clear rofl

[@stefanogiusti3561]

Even my granda will start doing tierlists

[@Frstypwngaming]

Tettles "I don't think a Shadow Priest has ever pressed Fear" after making the statement about bring utility over damage; Utility enables damage by allowing you to pull bigger packs (Vampiric Embrace is one example), Mass Barrier being another, Etc Etc.... Starting off with a huge misconception

[@NicholasAdamsDPM]

There is still time! Give up your augmentation peer pressure and stay boomy!

[@Roozhy]

Here's the problem with you not placing Aug in S tier. Only a few keys on raider io the war within beta don't have an Aug in it. The highest key, a +17 has an Aug in it. They amp good players/specs to push even more dps. So for higher keys they my not be required, but why go without one?

[@cyteriz95]

As Shadow Priest who press fear im offended :D Also Singletarget usually isnt the best, but not bad. But in higher keys you bring mobs to boss when possible.

[@zionzorshin1579]

crazy how fire mage went from looking insane to unplayable

[@TeroMatero]

S-priest priority dmg has been amazing since last rework of the aoe with psycik link! But yes its bit cd reliant.

[@Mazokrw]

i will never abandon my shadow priest. play shadow since 2010

[@sparkz2718]

I know in the beginning theres not much “big” pulls for unholy dk to thrive but as the season goes along and keys get higher i would think tanks get creative and pull bigger mobs just to time

[@Seabiskit]

7:48 Shroud is back on the menu bois.. Invis pots just got nerfed back into the dirt

[@kirax7293]

Don't blame ppl for making 10 tierlist videos a week because look at the views on this thing. Literally x10 any other video. The community is such a bunch of sweaty nerds my god

[@aaronalbertson8670]

I find these tier lists interesting, but the issue I've come across is this.. Tier list comes out with my main class at the bottom. Within a day of it coming out, it takes me significantly longer to get M+pugs, and when I DO, im told, "change your class/spec, stop playing terrible classes/specs"

[@poulthomas469]

One thing I don't see mentioned enough is just how much utility Shamans bring. Been away from wow for a year and away from shaman for 5 years and i've been looking at what class to main In TWW and I was just doing my Shamans talents and it's crazy how much Utility they bring.

[@cc66bb44]

Mountain thane fury is s tier Ae stuns, fears, self sufficient with melee reaps

[@GamerzFaiths]

Don't forget the silence sin brings too. That by itself is too good. Plus the damage reduction from the poisons

[@CatDad09]

Trying to decide between my Ret Paladin, DK and Arms Warrior. I hate how Unholy plays these days, maybe Frost will save it for me.

[@Flovust]

looks like shroud stocks back up, invis potion is back to now sharing battle pots

[@willbrown6161]

I think saying there is no S tier is absurd. Frost, and augmentation are 100% S tier, and even arcane can be there.

[@negativefx83]

Still riding with BM (since beta day 1), but will be exploring Rogue and DK this time around.

[@timhundhausen1386]

It's so sad because Fire mage to me feels actually really fun to play and I want to be maining it, but the fact that proccing your priority cleave into living bombs does not translate into barely anything more than tank damage right now makes it not a reasonable option to play with my team. So I respecced into Arcane yesterday to get practice in

[@michael.burman]

I guess this video was done before Arcane Intellect + Chaos Brand nerf?

[@yep330]

and yet he still uploaded it

[@vvohvaelez9277]

mythic prefers ranged dps not just for the damage output alone

[@Azharok88]

Doubt it'll affect the meta as much as people think.

[@Frawt]

@@Azharok88 It won't affect "caster meta" if it still ends up being the best, sure, but what it affects is non-caster comps getting closer in balance (which is the point, to bring them closer, not to just kill casters completely or something). Chaos Brand nerf kinda affects most specs in the game across the board anyway, outside of, like...warriors, Outlaw and BM hunter, 'cause all other specs have some portion of magic damage (and often it's pretty significant, even on non-casters, while on the specs I mentioned it's like a couple percent at most), but even then I don't think Chaos Brand will be THE reason to bring a DH to a key anyway. I mean, we had Dragonflight season 2 where the god comp didn't even have a DH in it (though still a lot of high key groups played VDH, but it showed you don't NEED the strongest group buff in the game). If you can scrounge together a comp that boosts each other through other buffs, and that ends up being worth more than Arcane Intellect and/or Chaos Brand...then the nerfs will have done their job.

[@Azharok88]

@@Frawt I mean the meta will be whatever the meta will be. My point was more along the lines of : if you were playing a spec affected by these changes either A) you don't play to a high enough lvl where it'll be relevant anyway or B) If casters are still meta it's just gonna bring the ceiling down for everyone so the status quo won't change much.

[@bac4mor]

Immediately closed the video when I heard, "Doesnt bring raid buff or utility, Shadow priest is a great example" Brings both utility in forms of Mass Dispels / Dispels ,Vampiric embrace, FEAR, Bro's clearly not pushing keys if he thinks Spriest arent using fear as an aoe interrupt. Brain rot is real here.

[@paulomartins1813]

I'm just going to say, im 99% sure that you never achieved the same RIO that tettles has, and if you think that those things that you mentioned are "utility" Think again, you could only afk dps in DF cause you had a VDH and probably a evoker doing everything for you buddy

[@TheFabulousEnby]

I don't aoe fear as much as I should as Spriest but as a Warrior I'm using 24s Shockwave on CD. It's so damn powerful.

[@bucket936]

Im surprised he just blew over how powerful shockwave is now. When you stick to meta groups all the time, it shows that you have very little knowledge on other specs.

[@dark9nine]

Hunter hero talents are complete shit. How can you fail designing not one.. but 3 specs... mechanically and visually? Even in concept hunter was one of those EASY classes to design so many ideas and lore behind to make it work and NON of the are cool in any way. Lame

[@BrotherOats]

Curious to know what you would have done if you were a dev at Blizzard? Because I agree with you, they're underwhelming.

[@sockmonkey3393]

And also why the fuck is lunar storm not being tracked in buff bar?

[@xodiark10]

Whatever I’m still gonna play resto/boomkin I expect our spec will get a rework with hero talents since we literally only have one choice between both specs

[@Inyourwalls777]

same shit in s3 everyone said aug wouldnt be meta for high end M+ cause damage fall off and timer issues but still saw one in the majority of groups pushing for rank1

[@maxstreim4612]

I swapped mains from fury warrior to enhance sham and dude the difference in how my keys go because of the utility is night and day.

[@memearcheologist6902]

I like how 30% of the video is dead screen that doesn't change true the whole video

[@voodoo1069]

My best friend would fear as a priest it was funny one key then he was calling out for our lizard to carry him into to melee to bomb so he didn't have to stop dps lol

[@senfglas214]

Yeah what happened to that fear bomb spell, where it would place a fear bomb with aoe on the target? Would be a massive QoL change

[@voodoo1069]

@@senfglas214 that would be a pretty sick change. Lol lobing a ball of scary energy

[@carneios08]

I fear all the time on Shadow! D: To be fair, I didn't before Dragonflight, but the new Psychic Voice talent this xpac reminded me of how strong it could be for m+. Publik also reinforced this to us in one of his talks at some point in Dragonflight.

[@kingtut8367]

You shouldn’t need someone to tell you to use fear. Your only stop is a 45 sec int. Wouldn’t common sense tell you to run in and fear that tempest? That rotting wind? That tetonic slam? That expulse?

[@johnlinks]

Priest never hitting a fear? I hit it on CD as a healer

[@SanctumRubis]

Stamina buff, Mass dispell, Power Infusion, Fear, - I'm not a priest main but you can't say priest utility isn't good.

[@xlightninghawk6360]

yeah but other classes like shaman have more and better utility

[@vanusha1995]

thats nothing, mass dispel is very niche, and priests are not gonna run melee and press fear trust me, long ass silence cd and thats it

[@MrKamex]

cool, very minor thing for very specific situations, not utility just dmg, melee fear that gets interrupted is SO MUCH worse than what anyone else can do. Priest has very little utility, mostly very specific one (mind soothe being either very good at a single spot in the dungeon or completely useless any other time)

[@wallman9202]

Priest has less utility than hunters, priest util is a meme #givepriestsarealkick

[@yungruuku]

He always wasn't saying that priests don't have good utility. He was saying that he never sees priests use any of it

[@omfgmusic97]

are you just saying fury warriors refuse to use their utility or their utility is actually garbage? I've been playing fury and love to use all my utility near to on cd/when applicable (reflect, storm bolt, shockwave, pummel, rallying cry, even intimidating shout) and it appears to be evidently noticeable useful and am still doing great damage....it doesn't even interfere with dps unless maybe you're trying to parse 100s, and it adds more dynamism to the spec.

[@JeffCrouser]

I think you might want to watch a BM Hunter again. Uncapped AOE and killer single target, BM smokes MM.

[@Sargaxiist2022]

Idk, I think Ret should go up 1 tier. With how simple Ret is, you have waaaay more brain power to actively use your utility. Not to mention being extremely tanky. Having your damage being tied to Wake instead of just the 2min allows flexibility where the pulls won't matter so much since you just always have damage on command. It's not meta by any means, but it's not down there with boomy lol

[@mikejohnson9960]

Agree ret performance is a tier higher than listed here. The damage is there in M+ and it's consistent AOE per pack.

[@Mamaleche]

what happened to "the second best druid dps spec?"

[@Tyzen7]

Frost DK is 1000% in every group lol

[@spotLV]

what group? normal dungeons?

[@stevenvegh7964]

Feral is also really really annoying to play. I love my Guardian Druid, but damn switching to Feral feels bad. Only mega pulls where you can put Rip on 10+ targets feel at all fun.

[@itsButeii]

Hearing you talking about enhance the way you do really rubs my back

[@cannibalcanyon]

invis pot timer changes were a bug and reverted #fundetected

[@Essjaybee2934]

Shammy time to shine baby

[@janpetira2509]

Safe to say M+ is worthless now that they significantly nerfed the gear from it. Ain´t no way i am ever gonna raid as a father.

[@TheGraveyarder]

thoughout dragonflight, ive actually seen a shadow priest use fear in a pug but only for two keys 😂

[@user-ws9di5kp9h]

Love surv right now

[@SigmaNomad1620]

my problem with boomie is having to chase tanks all over the place and when they decide to stop and i get in a eclipse shits dead if i can get a tank that pulls 2-3 mobs at a time i will out dps anyoune

[@dallasbrat81]

I think bliz has had enough time to get this right

[@SunniestAutumn]

I don't think any iteration of Devastation in projected bis talent lists is playing Firestorm, I don't think anyone has said that ever and I think you made that up, lol. It's all about Deep Breath and Mass Disintegrate now.

[@tinyshaman3050]

Update your Frost mage, it's single target is still good and if we add up that you can walk and dps then it's meta caster dps. Bm of casters

[@erenj2913]

Spriest gonna be meta forever unless they nerf or rework Psychic Link

[@eliotness107]

Why every expansion the specs that i think has the absolute coolest playstyle are always dogshit tier.... Ret paladin is my absolute favorite, herald of the sun is so sick!! and its simple to play which is good for someone like me who is getting older

[@dogemans3951]

I guess it depends on what level keys you are running. I think Ret will still be above par in low to mid keys, like usual.

[@Tyguy614]

So my question is if you play a dracthyr warrior, it'll have a aoe stun, A single Target's stun a knock up and a knock back.

[@piz45]

Spriest I have at 574 on the early access and it feels fucking awful outside of cds . If you don’t have all your cds ups even some of the tanks can do more dps than you it’s rough

[@stevenlopez1380]

Fury is fuckin pumping right now….

[@ahmadmraish5834]

Man, I am not coming back to wow if they don't push hunters up... I have been playing this class since TBC and I don't want to switch zzz.... Looks like my money will be going to private servers instead of BLIZZARD oh well..

[@iddqd_wow]

I hear a lot of content creators talking about "the changes to how stops work" recently. What change is this that has made true interrupts worth more?

[@Latro]

Assa hype assa hype

[@ztormur6504]

so balance druid is only good when all stars align. which is gonna be only once in a blue moon. (pun intended)

[@manog2105]

Hey beta testers, help me understand. If target capped specs are worse but pulls are smaller, what do. How does that impact the specs if they’re small pulls

[@williamfitzgerald5820]

Gunna be honest, you really couldnt be more wrong about ret lmao

[@avendreams2057]

they should divide tunning on M+ and Raid , like they do with pvp , this will make balancing easier like buff X spell on M+ , nerf Y spell or even the class by a % on raid enviroment

[@FreggeLock]

Fully specific tuning will be a mess - so many of the buttons are nerfed in pvp, that you don't have a good way of knowing, unless you dig into spell data. Rather would see more tuning knobs like or atonement buff or clutchmates for m+

[@michaelwaffle7393]

This is a good idea in concept but how would you communicate it to the players in game?

[@psyonicpanda]

​@@michaelwaffle7393When you open the LFG window, have a button you can click on each window (Raid/Dungeons/PvP) where it will open a tab and show you all changes for your spec in that "game mode"

[@driiifter]

That would be very confusing, I think this is as good as it gets

[@Kallipolis7]

This guy is crazy putting WW monk in C tier - lol. 😂 what a ridiculous tier list

[@AlexanderForsman]

I think many are too afraid to underestimate Aug, that they overestimate it with quite a margin. Especially in M+

[@aroshley4348]

If Tettles, Kiratank, Vespal, Dorki etc say that Aug increases the possible keyheight by 1-2 I think we can be sure that Aug is incrediblly overtuned and with that easily meta till blizzard brings it down

[@greyfrog____743]

High keys having a 15 sec extra penalty for death greatly enhances their value. Even nerfed as much as they have been they bring strong group mitigation cooldowns and their tank and healer buffs help survive things and make runs way safer. Dorki in particular has said multiple times they’re going to be mandatory just because of that.

[@Frawt]

@@greyfrog____743 High keys also having minutes shaved off the timer greatly diminishes their (Aug's) value. People are for sure overestimating Aug, but who knows, a lot of high key groups might still keep using Aug just due to being familiar with it, in a fallacy of sunken cost. I wouldn't be surprised if the highest keys don't have an Aug in them; the runs will also just have much lower rates of success and be riskier.

[@AlexanderForsman]

@@greyfrog____743 tank will never be the reason high keys fail. A druid buff brings more survivability now after all the nerfs. Even before all the nerfs, now in season 4 Aug was in less than once every 5th high key. And that's where they are suppose to shine

[@sandstorm7476]

There are now only 7 augs in the top 100 dps players of prepatch. There used to be over 20. Change is happening.

[@dawittucker8749]

Meanwhile ww monk gets ignored again in the patch tomorrow… guess I need to play brew or mw this season🤡

[@DavidSee876]

I play a shadow priest and use my fear often as its a decent cc.

[@johanaraya2454]

I press fear on my SP

[@MrKamex]

10 seconds in and he shoots against my boi shadow. :( unfortunately he is right. I wish I had more than a poopy melee fear and massive cooldown kick

[@kahlg2265]

I think this point that Aug is bad in weekly keys because you dont need the tankiness is missing alot of context. People in these keys suck at using their defensives, they dont stop half of what they should, and many kicks just go through. Having that extra leeway for your tank and healer is still incredibly valuable and allows you to brute force even more situations. The only real argument for not bringing Aug to weekly keys is if you think you are going to have people who are just dead and going to make you 4 man - a situation where Aug is horrendous.

[@asdf198]

💯 I played aug+dev in S4. If keys at or above +10 were io appropriate for the group (score or close to it), I found more success playing aug. I only got up to +15's, so content creators would probably say I shouldn't have even been playing aug ever, but yeah, anecdotally fewer disbands as aug.

[@paulomartins1813]

Well, I think you did figure out by yourself the issue of Aug, in s4 of DF, in the range keys of 15 to 17, I was depleting most of my keys when playing with augs, the reality is that Aug won't stop people from dying if they are brainless and tanks don't normally need any help in low/mid keys, and in the situations that they would need, the Aug isn't enough to help them, this is assuming that the Aug player is good which is another thing. Meanwhile a 3rd real dps will make fights faster which makes the chance of something going wrong lower. And yeah ultimately if a dps dies with Aug in the group you basically playing with 2 dps deads.

[@beeboyjocker7111]

im prety sur assa funnel is really good cuz of caustic spater he can burst 1 target and keep his aoe dmg

[@Mmd-lx8tl]

I'd always have dev evoker as not playable as long as aug exists

[@seidon_]

its hard playing Devoker and everyone asking you to swap to Aug :/

[@ritarauf2481]

As a dev main I'm getting more and more discouraged every update tbh

[@AnotheRFrog]

mm on top

[@quinnespino3750]

Know my problem isn't the tier list. Sure some mid maxing for higher keys is nice. But people take them way to serious and just avoid classes that aren't top of the chart. Makes the m+ environment really sad. Even lower keys sometimes are just sad and people not knowing the purpose of certain dps roles.

[@Dowork147]

I’m a shadow priest…that pressed fear. ❤

[@Gaius_Sinstone]

I think people look at the interrupt meter & assume we’re just not pressing fear, when we actually are, it’s just such a long CD we’re never gonna compete on the meter. Especially if we’re overlapping, which happens a lot in pugs.

[@MeiRaAaAwrsyourEye]

I don't know a single good shadow priest who doesn't use fear as an interrupt on cooldown.

[@Dowork147]

I honestly save my kicks for the really important cast. If someone else gets it I’ll wait until another cast gets close to going off then kick. It’s a long ass cd lol

[@deepzz4056]

Vile taint singularity and cull the weak are target capped so affs peak aoe potential is 5 targets so you’re take they wouldn’t be good at lower counts is a little cooked

[@TheJackhicksisc]

i heard dratnosermon presses fear on cd unless its more value to hold it for something in particular

[@That_kind_of_orc]

I've been a long time arms player but few weeks ago I was completely done with it and changed to fury, yesterday I tried out arms how it feels after some time away from it and I realized it feels like shit it's just a bad feeling spec arms can't even have proper animations shows how much devs care about it

[@brok3nh3lix]

i just don understand what they are doing with fire right now. Are they just leaving it bad till they can figure out what to do in the .5 patch or something?