Myths of the American Mind: Race

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Wes Cecil

Wes Cecil

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@chainsherlock6268
@chainsherlock6268 3 жыл бұрын
I always say that too ‘NATIVE ANERICAN’. I got an A+ in my community college course; I was two hours late for my final because I was applying my philosophy all night and it made me be a better, more critical thinker; I like how he kind of stumbles through his thinking; it’s hilarious, but enlightening ‘We’re on a Roll’
@chainsherlock6268
@chainsherlock6268 3 жыл бұрын
Finis Africanus is an idea around 20:00, where he talks about Africa; I read it in a Great book/movie by linguist/semiotics professor Umberto Eco ‘The Name of The Rose’. The main character is in an abbey where a murder happens in 13th (Trecento) period Italy; his point (and Cecil’s) is that if we think really deep about humanity, it becomes pointless and inconsistent to think openly about HUMANITY, after we learn about Euro-slave-trade Routes, we see easily how we are all United, yet (his point here) is that we use language (semiotics/linguistics) or we could use religion or in this example he uses RACE, which my aunt (white/Irish) tried to talk to me about a ‘Puerto Rican RACE’ a couple weeks ago, which I’ve been there and it’s like saying ‘they are American’, the ‘American Race?’……see the faulty logic. How he does it Syllogisms I’m sure if you’ve read this or listen to Cecil you know the three parts one must utilize right away to be a philosopher; it begins with a STLLOGISM, a proof of logic. Cecil is man. Man is mortal. Cecil is Mortal. (Sorry Wes, Memento Mori) ☠️
@michelemiller7049
@michelemiller7049 3 ай бұрын
Now that the concept of race has been explored how shall people identify themselves? All people groups choose their identity inside a specific cultural context. It appears that Prof Cyril disagrees with the contemporary nomenclature and biological reference to determine identity. Strange.
@JustinMBailey
@JustinMBailey 10 жыл бұрын
That really is hilariously true that we just think of all of Africa as "Africa", like it's all just one big country and not one big continent, when not in a million years would we ever label everyone from Europe as "Europeans". And I like that you brought up that we are all virtually ignorant of this by giving the example of black football players who go over to Kenya and think they are somehow getting "in touch with their roots"? We really all do have everything ass backwards don't we? This is a spin on racism the likes of which I have never seen, it's always presented to be some kind of a societal threatening poison, as some great evil, and in some ways it surly is, and will forever be, but to me at least this lecture seems to present racism at it's roots to be just as silly and as unbelievable as all that scientology crap. This lecture actually makes racism look stupid, really really really stupid, and I think that might be the best way to actually make it dwindle. Nobody likes to feel stupid. Evil? Most of us can live with that but STUPID? HA!
@toldeneye007
@toldeneye007 9 жыл бұрын
Its the correct assesment of race. Its nonsensical. Though on another note, its also pretty fuckin' nonsensical to say that racism is 'evil.' It can have awful effects, but that doesnt make it morally evil any more than a hurricane. Theres no connection between someone holding racist or racialist beliefs and being selfish, or malicious, or callous, or literally any other actual things that have anything to do with who a person actually is, so it cant possibly be moral. Same applies to any moronic, ultimately destructive beliefs. Its probably correct that making this more widely raelized would do alot more to reduce racism than keenly trying to make things better for "blacks" rather than trying to solve the poverty problem in general without such arbitrary divisions, or fostering "racial sensetivity." Then again, its kind of moronic that we feel so upset at the thought of being 'stupid' to begin with. It's not like intelligence makes someone a good or a bad person.
@odysseus1220
@odysseus1220 5 жыл бұрын
People call whites Europeans all the time
@ongobongo8333
@ongobongo8333 8 ай бұрын
​@@toldeneye007untrue. Racist ideas can all be clearly labeled evil.
@jalepezo
@jalepezo 9 жыл бұрын
I will like to discuss the idea that race only relates to origin, I mean, a person may come from the middle east and be muslim, but this two concepts hardly, but more often than not, are blended into a social category, and to my view, incorrectly labeled as race.
@JSmusiqalthinka
@JSmusiqalthinka 4 жыл бұрын
Well...that's part of what the lecture is about. Race is a social category that's based on the PERCEPTIONS of groups of people based on what they look like. It's entirely arbitrary and also stupid.
@brandonmacey964
@brandonmacey964 3 жыл бұрын
Calling Arab immigrants to America, a Muslim invasion, is like calling Mexicans in front of home depot, a "Catholic invasion". Its just that we don't want to share our shit with a bunch of sand n's and dirty bean and rice eaters. We are the glacier monkeys that stole this land from the prairie n's. We can cut our own grass, trim our own hedges, own our own 7 elevens, and pick our own cotton. Gotta learn from our previous mistakes.
@JulesCooper
@JulesCooper 9 жыл бұрын
So race is an artificial, social construct, as is gender...this is women studies 101 but Wes is a good speaker and his breadth of knowledge is enjoyable to listen to as he weaves us into thought.
@DrSpooglemon
@DrSpooglemon 8 жыл бұрын
The answer to your question is in the first few minutes of the talk. Of the genetic differences between humans most are between individuals within ethnic groups rather than between the groups. Only a handful of particularly "cosmetic" traits(eg. skin colour) define ethic differences and they exist i response to geographic peculiarities(eg. sun exposure) and the variation between ethnic groups is analogous rather than existing in distinct clusters(eg. black, white, Asian). But I dare say none of that is going to persuade you.
@scythermantis
@scythermantis Жыл бұрын
Isn't that Lewontin's Fallacy? Aren't there noticeable differences in rates of childhood and adolescent development, and things like Tay-Sachs or Sickle Cell also?
@LiamPorterFilms
@LiamPorterFilms 10 жыл бұрын
That cleared up a lot of things, thanks. I especially liked the comparison between ancient thoughts on in groups and out groups and modern racialized versions of the concept. I did, however, wish you had gone on to the liberal-minded illusions on race, which are even more confused than the simple racist version ("non-"white" races are distinct and different and BAD") since they contradictory claim that "non-"white" races are distinct and different and BETTER.". It seemed at moments that you were a hair's breadth away from dispelling the related myth of historical guilt for the "race" you belong to. Could you let me know what you think about this trend in current discourse?
@moriyokiri3229
@moriyokiri3229 10 жыл бұрын
Can you provide an example of the "liberal-minded illusion" where it is claimed that "non-white races are different and better" ?
@LiamPorterFilms
@LiamPorterFilms 10 жыл бұрын
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that liberals are the enemy. Rather, like Cecil I think that when it comes to racial thinking people are making the same errors full stop. Both extremes rest their ideas on a rock-solid belief in the nonsense of "race." My deliberate crudeness of "BAD" and "BETTER" was just an attempt to schematize things, not make some very nuanced portrait either persuasion. Re proof of "claims": it's not so much what liberals explicitly claim (liberals are verbally more forthcoming about their negative claims than positive) as how they characterize the different "races", namely by simply reversing the equation of white supremacy and keeping an eagle eye on the sins of the white race and the virtues of the oppressed non-whites. So that you don't think I'm being evasive, I would answer your request with the now-defunct blog "stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com" as an illustration of what I'm talking about (sorry to dump this archive of posts instead of something concrete, but my observation isn't concrete, it's general). Have a nice day :)
@moriyokiri3229
@moriyokiri3229 10 жыл бұрын
FarFromEquilibrium Not interested in having an exchange with a white supremacist and as Hitchens used to say, neither will I buy a pencil from your cup.
@FarFromEquilibrium
@FarFromEquilibrium 10 жыл бұрын
Zachary Kirkpatrick HAHAHaHAAA! You idiots are so cliche. You really just proved my point too, and you're welcome to not have an exchange - I'll just keep on going and you can do wat you said you'd do and remain silent (we'll see how long that lasts, LOLOLOL!) . You all are completely unable to have an issues or fact based discussion. You saw your narrative challenged and were unable to defend it , so the first, and I knew it would happen because you're one in a million, thing you did was try to name-call and smear and then ignore because of course nobody who you label a certain way should be engaged in such a discussion, lest you fail and look bad. It's funny though, because you want an entirely different set of standards applied to you, as if you have some moral privilege of never being wrong, even when you are. There is nothing interesting or original or well-constructed in your worldview, and even less in your response, but it is right out of the same cliche internet response pamphlet that the rest of your ilk read from on the daily. It's a 'nah nanny boo boo ive got my fingers in my ears and i can't hear you wahhn waaahn waahn your bad im good im rubber you're glue ahaaaahahahaaa i cant hear you' type of adolescent temper tantrum. Have fun with that. I guess that you think you are 'superior' in such nonsense, because you're too good to think honestly about what someone else points out, thus the projection. Grow up.
@moriyokiri3229
@moriyokiri3229 10 жыл бұрын
FarFromEquilibrium For the public's interest, look through this guy´s history and see how many times he blames "the Jews." Goodbye nutcase.
@toldeneye007
@toldeneye007 9 жыл бұрын
....Bit wrong to say that where we draw the lines of continents is random. Europe being its own continent is completely idiotic, but other than that we've done a pretty good job, if its not connected to another continuous body of land by something more than an ithsmus, its a continent. So eurasia, africa, north&south america(or potentially just america, but I prefer N&S), and australia get to be continents. Continents are divisions of landmass, not of culture or people or history. We as a society often conflate these, and its stupid to do so.
@AudioPervert1
@AudioPervert1 8 жыл бұрын
how can a complete continent be completely idiotic.. incredibly stupid to even assume that. keep doing good jobs .. as a dumb fucking measure of progress.
@peterthomasjones3675
@peterthomasjones3675 7 жыл бұрын
Samrat Bee, if europe is a continent, why isn't another peninsulary like Alaska?
@AudioPervert1
@AudioPervert1 7 жыл бұрын
Peter Thomas Jones the Peninsula, Spain and Portugal together; What other peninsular landmass are you talking about?
@hinteregions
@hinteregions 3 жыл бұрын
@@peterthomasjones3675 We are talking about a simple system of classification or categorisation. We reserve the word 'continent' for the biggest land masses, in what is a largely ocean planet, and basically that's all to it. We reserve the word 'peninsular' (and there are a few other synonyms) for a particular form or feature in geography as viewed top down ie two dimensionally. A peninsula by definition is a part or feature of some land mass. The word describes properties, attributes of any given land mass but can have no meaning if not in proper context. A 'peninsula' not belonging to some land mass is just a land mass that is noteworthily longer than it is wide. If you cut your leg off it is no longer a 'limb' - is a clumsy analogy but it shows how this is a game of words and labels, predicated largely on questions of scale. A peninsular is ineligible to be a continent in itself, even if it were very big indeed. If it is big enough to be a continent then it cannot be a peninsula. So, whilst we could say that all of South America is 'peninsular' in respect of the form of the continent 'The Americas' (I borrow a label for convenience) that doesn't really mean anything useful to navigation or cartography etc.
@robertarmitage1899
@robertarmitage1899 7 жыл бұрын
Simply because the Romans brought leaders and chieftains to Rome in order to have control does not argue that their was no feeling of racial superiority or prejudice. In Roman Britain insulting remarks by Roman soldiers about the, "poor little British" have been found on artifacts. We don't say the British were not prejudiced simply because the sons of maharajahs were educated in British public schools. Nor should we say the Indian caste system does not have racial (Dravidian/Aryan) undertones, Nor pretend that racial prejudice was a 16th century European invention. To be proud of who we are and allow others to do the same would be a much better approach to race than falsifying history. Be proud, not prejudiced.
@claimofthrones4955
@claimofthrones4955 3 жыл бұрын
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@NoExitLoveNow
@NoExitLoveNow 7 жыл бұрын
It is sickening that there are so many racists in the comment section.
@benitopepolini1249
@benitopepolini1249 7 жыл бұрын
NoExitLoveNow nothing really wrong with racism
@rifleattheplayground
@rifleattheplayground 6 жыл бұрын
There is if you want to live in a peaceful society.
@Gilbert9909
@Gilbert9909 9 жыл бұрын
Well said that man!!
@Andesu
@Andesu 8 жыл бұрын
Barack Obama Sr was from Kenya.
@mac195000
@mac195000 9 жыл бұрын
Wow. This is extremely shallow and disapointing; a series straw man ideas about race that no serious person holds and exclamations of "It's baffling!" How could a student of philosophy think so uncritically about a topic?
@metatron4890
@metatron4890 8 жыл бұрын
I agree. Sad that this is what passes for scholarship.
@peterthomasjones3675
@peterthomasjones3675 7 жыл бұрын
mac195000 , open your eyes. acknowledging a falsehood does not make you stupid. nowadays people are so scared that they may be challenging patriotism that they refuse to see the pitfalls of nationalism. if everyone adopted this view of no race we wouldn't have all the useless drama we have today.
@benitopepolini1249
@benitopepolini1249 7 жыл бұрын
Peter Thomas Jones so race is a falsehood?
@benitopepolini1249
@benitopepolini1249 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonny1982py prove it
@threeblindchickens
@threeblindchickens 3 жыл бұрын
@@benitopepolini1249 you clearly dont know how burden of proof works
@andruwne802
@andruwne802 6 жыл бұрын
This is so bad. "There is absolutely no proof of race," he says. To think this is to ignore a yuge portion of scientific experiments and studies that prove human biodiversity. Evolution affects every species.
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