Myths - Towing Capacity & Payload - the best Half-ton truck for your Travel Trailer or RV

[@ronhayes832]

Finally, you have brought a common sense approach to towing with a 1/2 ton. Based on my limited research, most of the truck manufacturers derate capacity. Thanks for this post. I tow an 8,000 lb travel trailer with an F150 5.0L V8 with a 36 gallon fuel tank. The 5.0 engine never runs hot and tows just fine. Yes, it winds up the rpm’s when merging but that is where the power band is.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Yeah that's the thing with naturally aspirated engines. The polar opposite to this would probably be the VW Touareg, a mid-size crossover which the Audi Q8 is based of, with the 4.0L twin-turbo diesel V8. It has 415 hp at 3500 RPM and 664 lb-ft of torque from 1250 to 3250 RPM. It just pulls and pulls, you are at peak torque all the time and once it reaches peak power it upshifts and you are at peak torque again. It goes 0-62 in 4.9 seconds and only stops at 155 mph. In Europe it's a very popular tow vehicle (more the diesel V6 version) which can legally tow up to 7716 lbs.

[@kedrevs4037]

Interesting, I can't find or build the 5.0 with a 36 gallon fuel tank anymore, which version/year do you have?

[@ronhayes832]

@@kedrevs4037 Ford option code is 655. Not available with Powerboost or Heavy Duty Payload Package. Available only on 3.5 or 5.0 engines. Standard with Max Tow Package.

[@jameshoots8302]

@@kedrevs4037 check max tow PACKAGE 8ft bed and extended not crew cab ... you can select 3.5 twin turbo

[@paulrodrigues9603]

@@kedrevs4037 I have an 18 F150 STX Supercrew w/ 3.5., 6.5 ft bed, 10 speed and max tow package. It came with the 36 gallon tank.

[@pokyspud]

For the GMC there is a second sticker with the front axle weight rating, in case you're interested. It is right near the location of the sticker in the video.

[@Steve-un9mc]

Great video. I tow a 27ft 7k lbs travel trailer with my 2015 Toyota Tundra. The only complaint I have is the 2015 only had the 26 gal fuel tank so I do in fact pull over every 2 hours to gas up. I probably would have bought the same setup anyway since the Tundra is so reliable but it is very annoying. I don’t tow cross country or anything, but definitely glad you mentioned it so others can learn before buying

[@Ianbond21]

I have a 2010 Tundra. Fantastic vehicle and I am considering using it to tow a keystone "half ton" 5th wheel. All the numbers I've found relating to.the model of my truck say it will handle it. However, the one concern I have is the tundra braking system. Is there a way to improve that?

[@carlstrohmeyer]

Excellent video that considers much more than so many KZbin videos that trash pulling with 1/2 tons for anything more than a pop up trailer (such as "Big Truck RV"). I personally own a 2010 Tundra and have been RVing since 1986 and this easily has been the most capable vehicle when all aspects, including reliability are factored in (this includes over a 1 ton I owned). Looking at axle weight rating is important, so is hitch weight, so is how the trailer is balanced which is often forgotten (our 7800 lb Cougar has a wider stance in the tandem axles). Our Tundra also has much heavier brakes (more comparable to 3/4 tons). My only complaint would be the 26 gallon gas tank since we haul our trailer long distances (where we get about 9.5 mpg). But we make up for this with a few 5 gallon gas containers with electric pumps that makes adding the gas easy, and since I have the bladder the size of a walnut, I need to stop every few hours anyway. I also agree with your points about the newer Tundra, the Titan, and most importantly the turbo charger long term reliability. I have been a pilot since 1989 and a multi engine pilot since 1993 and the running the turbos on high performance planes shortened the life and we were discouraged from doing so when not needed.

[@kedrevs4037]

Great, informative post. Remember when it comes time to upgrade that tundra,

[@robmd3851]

Man you’re right on with the pop up comment on that Big truck RV fella.

[@blackpowderfirearmenthusia3194]

Great video thank you. I tow a 7,700 pound travel trailer with my 2007 Dodge Durango with the 4.7 V-8. She tows pretty good and doesn't over heat even when climbing a grade.

[@jasonbruney8842]

I'm saying you don't. Sorry but that lil Durango has no chance

[@drillsergeant623]

@@jasonbruney8842Yeah doesn’t make sense.

[@kedrevs4037]

We had an '07 Aspen (sister to Durango)back in the day. Came with 5.7 Hemi, it would have towed that amount, but it would be more than I was comfortable with.

[@oceanfrank1]

It always amazes me how many ways people find to justify overloaded trucks. Now it is Axil loads. Payload is Payload, there is NO exception. The Tires, Axles, Breaks, Radiator, Frame, springs, struts, etc. are all designed for that payload max listed in that door jam. You cannot add better springs, air bags, or other modifications to increase payload and a higher axil number does not incease it either. Can you tow with more payload than the listed amount on any given day and get away with it, I see it everyday. Ever see those 150 Lariat, Limited or Platinum towing an 8000lb trailer with their truck bed loaded to the max with bikes, canoes, grills, etc. and 4 grown people and a dog in the truck. See it almost every weekend. Everybody does it and says, see I did it. I even heard a truck driver tell me they can do it because they have been driving trucks for years. I mean seriously?? What they don’t tell you is how their engine or transmission is blown at 150K miles instead of 200k or 300K. How they are replacing their springs, shocks, wheel bearings, tens of thousands of miles earlier. How they ended up in court with a big ticket for being overweight. How they badly injured another party when they lost control of that trailer sway and ran into them going downhill, how they could not stop in time and ran into the car in front of them, How their insurance company turned down their claims to repair $200K in damages because they were overweight. We all win in Vegas on any given day, but the house always wins if you play long enough. Don’t mistake the ability to tow over the payload on any given day for ongoing success. Do your math, get the right truck, and enjoy a long life of successful towing.

[@kedrevs4037]

Alright pay attention, never said tow over payload. But Payload is a BS number, go ahead an offer evidence to the contrary. But GRAWR is a real number. that's the statement.

[@pokyspud]

@@kedrevs4037 Axle weight rating is absolutely on the not-to-exceed checklist. Probably out of scope for the video, but of course weight on axles can be somewhat managed by weight distribution hitches (as you know) by distributing weight from the back axle to the front. The sum of front and rear axle weight ratings is typically greater than payload so this is another area with some headroom to manage the weight on the respective axles -- all managed under the GVWR. Need a CAT scale to measure weight on each axle.

[@Outlaws28]

Nicely done! You took the long way around but ended up in essentially the same place as me regarding the max weight a 1/2 Ton Truck should tow. Depending on things, I'm in the 6500lbs to 7000lbs range. There are exceptions to everything and people do have "unicorn" trucks with bigger capabilities but in general, thats where I'm at. We decided that we wanted a bigger Travel Trailer. It weighs in at 10k, I tow with a RAM 2500 gas. That comes with a different set of challenges but i knew what i signed up for.

[@kedrevs4037]

Great comment, thanks for sharing.

[@TheGrainSideUp]

I really like your videos. I have been following and listening for a while in preparation for retirement. I retired this year and currently looking at a TT. I have watched TFL video with the Gen 2.5 toyota hauling the 8000+ trailer and it pretty much matches what you have been saying. I upgraded my 2015 Tundra V6 to a '21 V8 4x4 for the very same reasons you outlined here. I appreciate your insight and thoughtful research. Maybe one day, our Tundras will meet on the road. Merry Christmas!

[@kedrevs4037]

Wow, thank you for the kind words and safe travels.

[@tkendr01]

Thanks for the explanation. I own a single-axle open utility trailer which is all I will ever tow. All of my previous trucks were half-ton until I bought a RAM 2500 4x4 Hemi as a daily driver. If I need to haul more than a 3000 pound payload, I will have the material delivered. The truck will hold 5 adults and their nominal luggage. Works for me.

[@robertcolpitts4534]

Good video with good info. Basically, with a half-ton pickup, you run out of payload long before you run out of tow capacity. It's a numbers game. The payload on the sticker is technically the "curb" payload or empty payload (no passengers or cargo) with a full fuel tank (as you generally allude to). I figured this out using a CAT Scale. Numbers were right on the money. BUT! In reality, this isn't very realistic; no one drives a 100% empty truck since the driver is in the truck and his/her weight counts againstthe listed max payload number. There is an "effective" payload that is more realistic, or the available payload remaining after you load up with passengers + stuff you want to carry when you go camping + the hitch with spring bars in the bed. The only way to find this number is with a CAT Scale. The GVWR - Scaled Weight = Effective Payload. In many cases, it isn't very much. Also, the receiver hitch on the truck is typically rated (tow rating/max tongue weight) at 10,000#/1000#. Even comparing RAWR with the weighed Rear Axle Weight is pretty close to Effective Payload. To estimate your tongue weight, multiply the trailer GVWR by 13%. This gives you a ballpark number. I found this pretty close after 40 years towing trailers. Of course, you can control your tongue weight by balancing your load, too, and not having a full fresh water tank, which are typically in the front of the trailer. Good, informative video. 👍

[@tomalexander9496]

Read the fine print. Toe capacity is void once you exceed payload

[@gerrysherman2007]

I really have to put in my 2 cent5here. I have a 2019 Lance 2375 and tow it all around d the country. The first three years I towed with a 2014 Tundra with the 5.7. It was a great truck but I didn't like running at a high rpm alot of the time, especially on hills. I was always shifing manually and on longleaf this can get retiring. Also iwas nkt happy with the brakes. I upgraded to drilled and slotted rotors and heavyduty pads. It was an improvement for sure but not completely satisfactory. It also got really bad mile4when not towing. A year ago I really wanted to get one of the 2022 Tundras but you couldn't get one any. I wa Ted a new truck for our Spring 2022 leaving mid March from New Hampshire to Nevada. I custom ordered a new F150 Ecoboost with MAX towing package around Thanksgiving and it arrived mid February. The difference in towing was and is dramatic. The e tra torque combined with the 10 speed transmission. The stock brakes are far superior to the Tundra. I never manual shift anymore. On the highway I use cruise control trol which I could never do in the Tundra. It came with 8 ply tires which surprised me. I should have noticed that when I placed the order. I recently upgraded to a 10 light truck tire and the difference is astounding. The turbo psi gauge never gets above 50 percent and most of the time barely moves. It has been a true pleasure. The payload capacity is 1898 lbs. I would not recommend exceeding the payload capacity due to possible frame, axle and wheel capacity. Happy travels.

[@kedrevs4037]

Great info, thank you for sharing that.

[@KenAndrews-fc6hb]

I don't know...just don't trust those whizbang V6 Turbo gismos to go the distance compared to a naturally aspirated gas V8. I tow an 8,800 36' 3-slide camper and usually just within 350 miles of home in NE Oklahoma. Have a 1994 Silverado 1-ton dually diesel right now but will be buying a newer "pre-owned" truck next year... It's a coin toss between a Tundra or a F250, with a gas V8 with a 6-speed transmission of course (those 10-speed trannies haven't proven themselves (yet) either)).

[@jackg7225]

When I got my 2011 f150, I searched all over for the larger gas tank. I had a 2010 with the 36 gal tank. I couldn’t find one. The last 8 years I towed my 3k dry trailer around with the 3.5 turbo, no problems at all. I pick up my new trailer Saturday. 4.4k dry. I hope the f150 still tows nicely.

[@cliffsanderson9491]

Great Video with lots of useful information. I have done much research on towing and agree with most of what you said. For those that say, "I tow a trailer that is heavier than the towing specs of my truck and it handles it just fine, I have a friendly warning for you. If you are in an accident while towing, and someone is injured, and Law enforcement /lawyers get involved, you can be sued if you are towing more than your vehicle is rated to handle.

[@kedrevs4037]

Thank you. I have heard of this scenario, but don't know of anyone held responsible as a matter of legality or civil law. I'm not saying that I can't imagine it, just only hear about it in conjecture.

[@gsrport1]

Loved my 08 Titan thing never failed me once 200 K sold it to a family member things still going purchased a 21 tundra TRD pro have to agree didn’t go pro 4X one of the reasons also was fuel tank capacity love the 38 gallons on the tundra

[@americandude3825]

I think I’m gonna get a 2021 or 2022 Titan xd instead of a 2020 or 2021 tundra due to gas mileage, 6.5’ bed, and Titan has a hood crash rating whereas the tundra has poor. I’m a Toyota fanboy but this is just how it is for me haha

[@zelenizub2036]

@@americandude3825 I got 21 Titan, V8 without new electronic garage start stop or cylinder deactivation. 2200 lb payload, 6.5ft bed. 100k waranty, what's not to like. Towing trailer is like is not even there.

[@rogerloos420]

Thank you for the informative video. We tow with a ram 1500. With a 7700 lb travel trailer. Use a weigh safe hitch and air bags. She handles great and pulls fine. The cost of a 3/4 ton truck is exponentially more expensive. That can buy me an awful lot if fuel. My only complaint is our fuel tank is too small.

[@kedrevs4037]

My 2021 Ram 1500 Limited came with a 34g fuel tank. It'd be nice if they did that again

[@desertdan100]

I used to own an old Suburban that was ordered from the factory with a max tow package build. They were known as a heavy half ton. They were basically a 3/4 ton rated half ton truck. I could tow 14,000 lbs with it if I wanted to. It had a 454 engine , a thicker radiator core for increased cooling capacity. It had external transmission and engine oil coolers. It had overload leaf springs on the rear that did not touch until loaded down heavy. It had oversized brakes and oversized anti sway bars as well as heavier duty shocks. It also came with higher load range tires and wider heavier steel wheels. Vehicles used to be able to be ordered with factory upfitting and now they have moved away from special ordering. They don't profit as much.

[@kedrevs4037]

Regulation chasing us all to HD trucks in the future

[@gilbertangeles5699]

Good video. I tow a fifth wheel 10k with a nissan titan xd diesel. I've done it all over the northern states in mountain areas and had no issues with it. The fuel tank has been upgraded to a 45 gal

[@kedrevs4037]

that's what I would do with that Nissan fuel tank. Love the Titan XD.

[@bobsquatchwuzhere6347]

I have a 2012 Ford F150 XLT 4x4 with Extended Cab and 5.0 Engine. I've used to tow an 18 foot Dutchmen Travel Trailer for about 11 years with it and got about 16MPG. Now, I tow a 33 foot Cherokee Travel Trailer and I still get 14-16 MPG. I also tow my boat and launch it a few times every week. My boat is 5900 lb. dry, but my 55 gallon gas tank is always full, so that increases the weight significantly. I get about 16 MPG with the boat. So, I've really had no issues with doing this.

[@kedrevs4037]

Glad the 5.0 is getting it done for you.

[@ChristisKing117]

One thing to think about is altitude. The ecoboosts really make a difference towing at higher altitudes. I’ve had the 5.0 F150 and the 3.5 eco boost.

[@AlignmentCoaching]

I’m getting an eco boost… so which direction is it at altitude - good or bad? My assumption was that the eco boost would struggle

[@jwmustang1]

Eco boost good in altitude

[@davidhedrick300]

I live in Colorado and have a 2021 3.5 Ecoboost pulling a 6900 lb. Travel trailer. Generally, the Ecoboost has plenty of power going up to the Eisenhower tunnel from Denver, however, last summer I was going up Vail pass at about 65 mph on a hot day. I got a dash warning that my engine was overheating and to reduce engine power. The engine temp sensor immediately goes into a digital readout of the engine temperature. I reduced the speed to 35 mph and the temp started coming down. Eventually, the temp reduced to normal. Ecoboosts have a lot of power, but I wouldn't push it too hard on steep mountain paxses.

[@scottsimon208]

As the son a NSA pioneer aerospace engineer, thank you for this video cuz you explained this like my father would have explained this. And while I understand what you said in the video I'm going to watch a couple of more times so that it sinks in! It's that good.

[@kedrevs4037]

What a great compliment

[@bubba4072]

Nice video! That 38 gallon tank is a must for us Tundra owners. 👍

[@kedrevs4037]

Yes it is

[@nichols648]

I agree I had a 2012 f150 Ecoboost and around 30k Miles started having problems with the intercooler timing chain and transmission that thing ate spark plugs like candy then around 90k started having problems with turbo's that was the last straw for me decided to trade it in for a used 2017 tundra with 32k on it I now have 78k on it the previous owner ordered it with the 38 gallon tank so far no problem's I love it tundra tows way better than the Ecoboost

[@kedrevs4037]

Appreciate the info.

[@justaviewer111]

A simple rule of thumb to stay safe and not break stuff is to make 75% of your tow rating the max, be aware of your payload (but don't worry about maxing that because it's nearly impossible not to) and keep your trailer length (on a 1/2 ton) to 26 feet for a box shaped travel trailer (you can go longer with an Airstream or a flatbed).

[@kedrevs4037]

Appreciate the input

[@sum2automation]

Yup, I just bought another Tundra for more towing of our 20 foot trailer with extra large slide out. We love our setup, the 1794 2020 4x4 crewmax is a nice truck. I'm doing the 3 inch lift, air bag's and transmission cooler 😎 just because we love off road desert heat... lol. So important and Thank's again for warning RV owners to stay below trucks towing capacity. The high winds and high mountain roads are best and joyful when your not over loaded! I hate seeing RVs scattered all over the roadway, it's truly a sickening site.

[@beinghuman3225]

Got 18 tacoma, 19 travel trailer rated half the listed pull and tongue weight. Terrible, won't stay outa turd gear, rubber leafspring stoppers 3\8" off frame.

[@JohnnyC10071959]

I have no experience towing with a gasoline truck, but this is a splendid video for learning. I tow a 45' 5th wheel with an F-450, and honestly, it pulls like a dream. The 6.7L diesel seems to handle the load w/o objection - even in the west at an elevation pushing past 11,000 feet. I meet people at parks towing with Ford's "Godzilla" gasoline or RAM's gasoline, and they tell me it sounds like the motor is going to explode, claiming mountain passes. For me, diesel is worth the cost.

[@dirtyaznstyle4156]

Well I’ll bet they’re maxed out or near the limit for towing? Maybe even exceeding the payload capacity😂 If you’re going up the mountain they have to know their truck is making less power. Especially when the fuel mix is turning lean in relation to sea level fuel ratios

[@billwalters4338]

I guess my pack mule is way below your league then.

[@chaunceyrickard231]

Moved from a duramax to a gas truck and won’t look back. No def, no egr, no dpf, no thank you

[@DrumnG83.]

Great video. I feel much more confident now. I have a 1/2 ton 08 silverado 5.3l 2wd, gonna be towing a 30ft 7,700lb camper in august. I put a bigger trans cooler in it. I dont think I'll have any problems towning from maryland to pennsylvania.

[@HavocFactorTV]

How did it go ?

[@kedrevs4037]

i'm glad it helped

[@markthompson7503]

Great video. I camped at a nice campsite a few years ago and my unscientific study showed me that nearly 30% of trucks in the campground were F-250's. That was a large majority of the trucks there.

[@kedrevs4037]

I sure do love those new GMCs though

[@pokyspud]

Very good video. True, you can "cheat" the payload numbers by running a partial tank of fuel. However, most of us fill up completely so that is a moot point. It is pretty basic when one understands that payload is the real limiting factor for towing in 1/2 tons. E.g. my Silverado 1500 Duramax has a 12,900 max trailer weight and 19,000 GCWR but I'll never get anywhere near those limits if I want to bring my family along. Why? Payload. Tongue weight plus people (and stuff in the truck) will max out payload long before max trailer weight or GCWR. If at max payload, for every 200 pound person added to the truck, it effectively reduces towing capacity by 1670 lbs or more (at 12% tongue weight) because 200 pounds of weight needs to come off the tongue. So for me, a family of 4 and a dog means I'm towing 7300 pounds or fewer. Regarding fuel capacity, mine at 24 gallons is relatively small, but I get more range than a gasser with a comparable tank. So it is effectively like a 30ish gallon tank in a gas truck.

[@shwugyytcodm]

I have a 33ft 10,000 pound camper my tundra tows it 240 miles round trip regularly. Some airbags a back sway bar and some bigger breaks and I can tow like a diesel. Best purchase iv made

[@joehill3271]

What year tundra, does it matter?

[@shwugyytcodm]

@@joehill3271it doesn’t really matter. But mine is a 2016 TRD pro.

[@craigwilliams1073]

Best breakdown I've seen yet! Thanks!!

[@Xbolt1969]

Had a 2017 F150.v8 5 l it kept overheating, pulling our half ton jayco travel trailer now we use a RAM 3500

[@kedrevs4037]

Solid choice.

[@jeremydene24]

Here's my personal experience on this topic. Already owned a F150 with 8100lb tow capacity and 1600lb max cargo. Was told I was within spec to tow a 26' 6000lb travel trailer. Was I within spec? Technically, yes. However, after tongue weight, 2 people in the cab, items in the toolbox, and general cargo we brought with us, we were literally at the max 1600 lbs. cargo. And, "on paper" doesn't always translate to safety and handling on the road. The 4.6L V8 did fair and I could keep up with the speeds I wanted with regular 3500rpm usage. The main safety issue was how much this truck bounced and felt spongy the entire time. After 3 trips, I traded up to the F250 and wow, what a difference. 3500lb cargo capacity and 12000lb towing, with a 6.2L. Very little bounce, very smooth riding; at times didn't even feel like I had a trailer behind me. I would honestly recommend F150 owners to keep your travel trailer weight below 4000lbs. for easier, and much safer towing, which probably means getting a trailer less than 21'. Trust me on this. Don't 100% believe what an RV dealer tells you about your vehicle rating and what it can handle. They're salesman trying to get you into the biggest trailer possible. They're not giving you the whole picture. And they're not manufacture engineers. Engineers don't "ballpark" in the numbers given on the vehicle specs. Those numbers are for YOUR safety and the safety of others on the road. Before purchasing, you do your own research and think about safety in towing during inclimate weather. Travel well below your vehicle specs and your drive will be smoother and safer, without "white knuckling" the whole time.

[@kedrevs4037]

Thank you for the thoughtful comment and experience.

[@Robert-A]

Great vid I have a 2014 Silverado 1500 and I wanna put a lance 650 slide in camper in there but nervous to pull the trigger bc I’d be 400 over payload

[@jeffschaefer8395]

Have you done a video / analysis on what a weight distribution hitch can do adding pressure to a frame say on a small toy hauler with a leopard frame and causing failure. And possibly sway bars adding to that also. There are reports and videos on how they have caused failure on some frames typically the smaller toy haulers like a wolf pup or a gray wolf

[@kedrevs4037]

I've seen that, but don't have those trailers

[@bitsbrainsandbeanies2527]

2014 F-150 with the 5.0l v8, the truck is 2 wheel drive, has a 3.55 rear end, and has the front end lifted 2.5” to level the truck. I run Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs 275/65R18 load range c on the truck, and I swapped my trailer to load range d’s. Trailer is about 7800lbs when we load for a trip. It’s a Heartland Pioneer BH270. Truck tows surprisingly well and I average around 15mpg. My only complaint is I purchased the truck before the trailer and did not opt for one with the larger fuel tank, so I can agree there. The larger tank does make sense, however I wasn’t considering a trailer I did not have when purchasing the vehicle so I can hardly be angry. Other than that, I cannot speak for the newer F-150’s, but as for the year and model I have I find it tows very good. For anyone who may be wondering.

[@kedrevs4037]

5.0 has always been a solid towing performer

[@jacobmashatt6203]

This just helped my nerves a ton man. I have a 2014 f150 3.55 and have to transport my 37ft bullet 330bhs to the marina. Very skeptical of how it’s gonna go. So hearing that yours tows fairly nice it makes me feel much better about tomorrow!

[@jacobmashatt6203]

It’s at 7600 lbs

[@397coney7]

How in the world do you get 15 mpg while towing that trailer? Did I read that wrong? I have the same truck, year, motor and axle, I get 15.4 mpg not pulling anything.

[@bitsbrainsandbeanies2527]

@@397coney7 swear to you. I average 15.6 mpg on the daily. I usually keep my average pulled up, but I switched over to the instant mpg when pulling out of curiosity. At 65mph on the highway, when keeping a steady pace I was getting about 15mpg. I’m sure if I were to drive around town more than on the highway the average would be worse. But yeah, I was getting a steady 15mpg. I’ve yet to bring it longer distance than say 100 miles at a time, so that’s all I can speak for. I’m sure longer distance would be different.

[@Harley_Dude]

I love the Titans they are a pretty solid truck. Nissan really made a decent Pick up after no refresh for a decade lol.

[@thecamdenyard]

I 100% agree with you on not running down the the road at or near your max weights & towing capacity!! Buy a bigger truck!!! It’s like a 150lbs person carrying a 250lbs person on their back vs a 250lbs person carrying a 150lbs person on their back. Both can do it but the smaller person is going to get tired and fall down quicker 😂

[@kedrevs4037]

Very good analogy

[@jayboogie7956]

Not everyone has $60K laying around to blow on a HD truck, thanks to taxes.

[@spindrift2719]

I rather supercharge my tundra abs it’s going to last longer and power off the line

[@richardriggs4413]

Nice looking campsite you were at.

[@brianbelliveau5551]

Your right I had 2022 Z71 1500 with a 7200 pound travel trailer And the truck was 5169 and it had a towing rating was 9300 and hitch weight rating of 900 pounds and when did the math I traded it in on a 2500 Z71 crew cab with a tow rating of 14,500 and I don’t worry about it anymore

[@bp6461]

I had a 2020 Silverado and now a 2023 Silverado with 6.2L and Max Tow package. Conv Tow capacity is 13,200. I tow a 35ft Fountain boat at about 12,000lbs. I made two trips of about 200 miles with the 2020. Towed the boat no problem. On the hwy at 72MPH it was only cranking 1750 RPMs. I tow the boat to a from the boat ramp about 8 miles away 12 times a year at about 55 MPH. The truck handles the tow on hilly roads etc just fine. However, if i was towing long distances on a regular basis I would definitely get a 3/4 ton with a Dura Max Diesel.

[@bp6461]

BTW the aerodynamics of a boat makes a huge difference. I actually got better MPG pulling my boat down the Highway vs a 2 place snowmobile trailer which was like pulling a parachute down the highway

[@kedrevs4037]

@@bp6461 yes it does, as does tail wind vs head wind

[@bobmartens1089]

I tow a 4600lb dry tt, 24 foot with 2014 ford f 150 5.0 7700lb towing cap. Wind is the only issue towing 8000km to AZ and back each year. Heavy tongue 900 lbs, no sway with reese steady flex. But in wind, 14mpg cnd to 8 or 9😱

[@kedrevs4037]

I never had anything freeze, but don't know that we had to keep things at 65F. Lance was great, but moved to Airstream.

[@DeadlyViper23]

Towed a 14,000 lb trailer cross country multiple times in my 97 Ranger, went up the Colorado mountains passing 18 wheelers at 70 mph

[@kedrevs4037]

Alright, now that had to be at least a little nerve racking

[@daytime8153]

Why is it that all you 1/2 ton guys. Need to justify what your pulling with your milk and bread truck. What it really boils down to is frame, suspension and brakes. Flat out. If your driving over weight and you get in an accident. Your butt will be handed over to the courts. And the insurance companies.. not to mention people's lives. So your rear axle weight rating. Will not mean a thing. Also your payload capacity has to do with the options in your particular vehicle.

[@kedrevs4037]

If we just paid more attention in primary school, we could avoid more embarrassing posts.

[@AlexQubain]

Love how you developed your video!! Awesome jobs sir

[@kedrevs4037]

Thank you, I really appreciate that.

[@johnbook9881]

Unless I missed it a factor that was not mentioned but has an impact is available options on gear ratios. This can make a significant difference

[@kedrevs4037]

I agree completely, and if I didn't discuss it, thank you for bringing it up. May have to do a video just on that some time.

[@jeffschaefer8395]

Lippert frames. I feel like if you have the weight distributed correctly, you should not need the use of a WDH or a sway bar??

[@kedrevs4037]

ant-sway bar definitely saves lives

[@joshc606]

My 2017 Titan Sv (nonxd) rear axle is 4000lbs!

[@bobmartens1089]

I always play it safe. 14 F150 5.0 7700lb towing capacity. I tow a 5000lb loaded 24 foot tt Tows great with a HD WDH with sway control. Never feel unsafe. Fuel economy around 11 mpg towing. But .. it hates a head wind.

[@kedrevs4037]

HAha, They all hate headwind. That's whi "love" the question; "What is you're towing mpgs?" Way too many variables from one trip to the next.

[@RobTaylorTraining]

Hello, thank you for the very informative video. We have a 34' Grand Design with a dry weight of 7,895 lbs a GVWR of 9,995 lbs and a hitch weight of 795 lbs. We are planning on taking shorter week-long trips with it, maybe going a couple states over, but nothing super long or cross-country. Do you think we could we get away with a V8 Tundra or Nissan XD? Or should we definitely go with an HD truck? Thank you!

[@kedrevs4037]

I’d have no issue with the Titan XD. The Tundra will do it, but the rear axle and frame of that Titan is built for that kind of load.

[@saifeldinhussain6225]

Great video. I’m new in the towing world and have a QUESTION: I have a 2017 Silverado 5.3 V8 4x4 double cab. I’m going to buy a Pioneer Heartland BH280 which is 7k lb. Would my truck pull that thing with 5 people in the truck and all their camping gear? I have a Decked drawer system already installed which adds another 500 lb with all the gear in it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[@kedrevs4037]

I think it will pull it fine, the question is always stopping. If that is 7k lbs gross weight, probably not too much of an issue with proper wdh and sway control, but not enough info on weights to give a real answer.

[@cornycorny2952]

@@kedrevs4037 properly tuned brakes on the RV will make braking a non issue. I had to do an emergency stop pulling my TT and under extreme braking the trailer brakes actually helped stop the truck faster.

[@patrick32584]

I love when I’m camping and I can hear an f150 ecoboost coming from far away because their fan is running to cool that v6 down because the rpm’s do get high enough to make boost to tow up hills on dirt roads.

[@Tgrable84]

That ecoboost will also have much less issue in high altitudes than a naturally aspirated motor. I have a 2023 f150 with ecoboost, I have never had an issue on hills and I could fly up them at 100 mph if I had no care for the consequences. These ecoboosts start making huge toq around 2-2.5k rpms... the v8s need to be 2x that to get in their torque range.

[@patrick32584]

@@Tgrable84 so 4,000 to 6,000 for a v8… OK

[@Tgrable84]

@@patrick32584 have you heard how loud a v8 is at those rpms. If you think electric fans are loud....

[@patrick32584]

@@Tgrable84 I own a v8 and don’t need anywhere near 4k rpm to make torque.

[@Tgrable84]

@@patrick32584 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ima7oIBtpdukfK8

[@Enchanted3DPrints]

I just got given a TT with a hitch weight of just north og 1000 lbs. Im on the fence if I can actually tow this or not with my 2019 tundra limited 4x4. My specific payload is 1220 lbs and hitch capacity is 960? If i remember right. Im probably going to throw a WD hitch on it and see how it goes short distance before deciding whether it will tow it safely or not

[@Enchanted3DPrints]

I should have mentioned its a 32 ft tt that weighs 6600 lbs dry. I know Im within capacity weight wise but the hitch weight is where Im caught up. I suppose I could remove the propane cylinders and store them in the trailer between the axles. I also plan on buying a weigh safe hitch to gauge a safe tongue weight %.

[@kedrevs4037]

I would hook it up and take it through the cat scales to check the load on each axle once you have he WDH hooked up.

[@HISVOICE4LIFE]

Spot on……i have learned more watching this gentleman’s video…than in any other video

[@kedrevs4037]

Wow, thank you

[@tequilaboss1]

Great video! I have been towing my Imagine 17MKE Trailer with the new Tundra Limited 2022. Very Happy with gaz milage, doing around 12 miles a gallon (imperial gallon) pulling around 6500 pounds. I had a Titan HD 2019 and gaz per gallons was around 10 per mile at the time. The Titan Hd is a way bigger truck and it feel way more solid on the road .Great payload but milage it's not comparable with the new Tundra . Great advices! agree...always stay under towing and payload limits. Safer for everyone.

[@kedrevs4037]

Thank you, safe travels

[@stevereid9913]

Subscribed! So I am new to towing and truck ownership. Just bought a 2023 Ram 1500 two days ago to tow a small A-Frame. We quickly realized that our 2010 Wrangler was really groaning to pull just 2500 pounds. But now I am going INSANE trying to figure out the true towing capacity of our new truck, so we can get a little bit bigger trailer and safely tow. I know that's opposite of what your video says (buy a trailer first, and then buy a truck that can tow it). Can you tell me where you think I need to be weight-wise as I am shopping for an RV? I've got an 8 Cylinder 5.7L Hemi VVT with eTorque, RWD, crew cab, 3.21 axle ratio. The Stellantis Tow Chart seems to indicate that I have a Max Trailer Weight rating of 8260lbs. You say in one of your replies below that I should stay under 75% of that, which would be about 6200lbs. The Ram's sticker says the truck's GVWR is 6900lbs, Payload cap is 1649. That Lance 1995 you mention appears to have a Gross Dry Weight of 4950 Lbs. Do you think I could pull that with my truck? Thank you for any advice at all! 🤠

[@spankroy]

For the trailer you are referring too (Lance 1995) it has an empty hitch weight of 500 lbs. Fill up with some water, gear, food, clothes and you may be looking at closer to 600 lbs of hitch weight. So after that you will have 1000lbs of capacity left in your truck for people and gear. If you are bringing a full load of people in your truck, you may be over the limit. If not, you should be fine.

[@stevereid9913]

@@spankroy Thank you, Matt.

[@kedrevs4037]

I towed a Lance 1995 across contry several times. Don't think you'll have any issues with that setup.

[@AlignmentCoaching]

So what is “well below”. If it has a tow capacity of 12,700, is towing 8,000lbs GVWR trailer ok?

[@kedrevs4037]

To me, it's more about the setup. I would be comfortable up to about 8-9k lbs with most modern 1/2 tons and a good WDH with sway control. If I were going above 8k with a travel trailer, I would move up to a HD truck.

[@AlignmentCoaching]

@@kedrevs4037 thanks. I’m at the F-150 powrrboost station drinking the kool aid because I want that 7.2KwH power on board feature to help me off grid. If I can find that in the 5.0….I’ll do it

[@KiltedVeteran]

The only thing I wish my 2019 Tundra had is the larger gas tank. I will be taking my travel trailer out for my first coast to coast trip next year and stopping every couple of hours to fill up is going to get annoying.

[@kedrevs4037]

Your 2019 doesn't have a 38g tank?

[@KiltedVeteran]

@kedrevs4037 Unfortunately not. I have an SR5 with the standard fuel tank. The plus side is I have a much higher payload capacity so, there's pros and cons.

[@thebrothers4311]

I have a 2014 F150 FX4 3.5 EB. Can I pull a 2016 Palomini 177 ORVBH with toys on the deck? What about tounge weight?

[@kedrevs4037]

I don't know the specs on that Palomini, but the size generall sounds favorable.for a half ton.

[@kelleymoore6080]

I read somewhere that Ford, Chevy and Dodge over estimate what their trucks can/should tow, while Toyota under estimates what the Tundra can/should tow.

[@kedrevs4037]

They all have fudge factors, standard engineering. Toyota seems to fudge more

[@Tailwind1]

Curious what camp ground you're at, it's looks beautiful.

[@kedrevs4037]

Red Rock RV park, Island Park ID

[@bobmartens1089]

I tow at 5000lb 24 foot tt with 2014 f150 5.0 3.55 , 36 gal fuel tank 4th and 5th gear,canada to AZ each year, just hates wind. 12mpg imperial all day long

[@kedrevs4037]

Wish you could still get 5.0 with 36g tank, but Ford will only offer that 36g tank with the 3.5 now.

[@oherroprease207]

11:50-13:00 finally someone who gets it. It’s so obvious but people just don’t understand when you’re forcing an engine to work as hard as it possibly can constantly it’s not going to last. There’s a reason Toyota’s are known to be so reliable. Toyota de-tunes them so they won’t win any races but they’ll last freakin forever.

[@kedrevs4037]

Yep, drivetrain performance comes at the expense of reliability, you have to decide what's most important

[@pattibee6823]

So would you recommend staying at least 80% lower than the tow rating for any given vehicle or would you even go down as low as 70%. EXAMPLE: vehicle says it can tow 6500 #s And my trailer is 5700 #s loaded, that would be 87% of the tow rating.

[@kedrevs4037]

MY rec is too make sure you returned at least stock weight to the front axle and be under your rear GAWR.

[@TheNomadRocker]

Newbie here. Just started my full time nomad RV life. I've got a 4715# toy hauler that is probaly around 5300# loaded (tanks empty, carrying a 350# motorcycle). I'm pulling it with a 2019 Tacoma 4x4 off road V6. I suck down the fuel but it seems to able to handle towing ok. I'm heading west though and worried about climbs and descents. I have weight distribution and sway control, brake controller too. I love my truck, but i think I may need something more powerful. Thoughts?

[@joebrewster8074]

Don’t do it. I have the exact model Tacoma as you, I tow a boat that weighs 3000 lbs. and it struggles. That kind of weight your towing needs a half ton

[@TheNomadRocker]

@@joebrewster8074 is yours the 3.5L? I have a tow capacity of 6400# according to the manual but I haven't looked at axle weight ratings yet. I plan to hit up a CAT scale next weekend to see where I'm really at loaded. I haven't seen much struggle driving from.Austin, Texas to Longmont, Colorado. But going up some hills we're hitting high RPMs, not in the red though.

[@kedrevs4037]

For that weight I would feel more comfortable with a little more truck, but if your Tacoma is set correctly, I think you can do it.

[@thecamdenyard]

Your Tundra’s Payload of 1185 lbs is figured by the manufacture by your options as your specific truck sits ready to drive that means “wet weight “ all fluids including fuel whether it’s a 20 gallon tank or 50gallon that’s all figured in. So when your truck has a full tank of fuel ready to drive you cannot add more than 1185lbs of people, gear, or whatever you put in or “on” your pickup including aftermarket bumpers, winches, oversized wheels tires etc… these all play into your Payload capacity. that is why a f250 top trim level 4door might only have a Payload of 1900lbs whereas a f250 2door base model will have a Payload of 4000lbs. Same frame same suspension same engine same brakes etc…

[@kedrevs4037]

I would agree with you if the manufacturer could provide evidence, but they don’t, it’s arbitrary

[@alextreto2033]

Great info - expect one factor . I have worked in the automotive industry for over a decade and would NEVER recommend that Nissan XD to anyone , we’ve replaced countless turbos and engines on the Nissans . I’ve even seen a long back order on the parts due to nationwide similar issues . Other wise phenomenal information. 3/4 tons are best bang for the buck .

[@kedrevs4037]

Appreciate comment. Titan does not have a turbo, and thr 5.6 has been extraordinarily reliable.

[@alextreto2033]

@@kedrevs4037 diesel version . I should have clarified - has not even close to the reliability issues.

[@pecosb5221]

What about the transmission fluid temperature in a 2023 4x4 5.7 L 10 speed Silverado?

[@kedrevs4037]

Trans temps are a concern when towing a lot especially up and down hills. 5.7 Silverado?

[@Hopefullymarried]

i plan on buying a f150 with the capable abilities of 13,200 toing cap....however my trailer has a empty weight of 5996 lbs....loaded up to 7000 lbs....and that i max i would tow with the ford. i currently run an Armada towing the same trailer, but we are limited on areas to tow due to axle rating and tow cap....its just smart towing and researching the trailer and truck capacity and staying as the man said here, keep it well below max rate

[@ryanbrowning8501]

I have a platinum tundra as well. I am curious on what type of fuel do you pump in that?

[@kedrevs4037]

87 no matter where I am. If I am somewhere out west that considers 85 or 86 regular, I still go to at least 87 or higher octane.

[@TrueLifeVW09]

I drive a 2004 Chevy Aveo, I have never towed before and looking to buy a runaway camper coolcamp 4x8. My car says the towing capacity is 1000lbs, am I good to go?

[@kedrevs4037]

I would check out Andy Thomson's towing recommendations

[@janc-s2c]

would it be leagal to tow a 2 wheel drive explorer on a 2 wheel dolly by the rear wheels

[@kedrevs4037]

Can honestly say I have never pondered that question.

[@mpaiaina1131]

It's not just about how much you can tow. It's also, maybe more importantly, how much you can tow AND STOP.

[@kedrevs4037]

Agreed

[@danielhernandezjr9606]

First Time Listening To You - Great Stuff 👍🏼. FYI - I Have a 2014 Tundra with a 8 foot bed With Air Bags and Big Nitto Tires and I Tow a 31’ 5th Wheel Cougar and it Pulls / Stops with No Problem. I also Have Brake Control installed and a Breeze and Joy !!! NO White Knuckles . 5 th Wheel is a Different Towing then a Bumper Pull Camper. Thank You & Enjoy Your Notes / Imfo. 👍🏼☮️

[@kedrevs4037]

Sounds like a great setup, best designed half tons for towing and modifying ever.

[@luissoco]

Clear, complete and straight to the point. Thanks!

[@rcp3325]

My 2019 RAM Rebel has a GAWR rear at 4100.

[@ThePackDad]

There's a big difference between towing a 7000lb trailer that falls off the hitch-ball and hangs from the chains when the coiled emergency brake cable over stretches and fails to engage the trailer brakes vs a pickup bed loaded with weight. Trailers push from behind, especially downhill. Bed weight does too, but that bed weight is always within the bed. A trailer's weight shifts and you need the safety of larger trucks (for larger TT's) in case it does ever come off the hitch. Fill the bed with water, and 'now' you've got more trouble hauling than towing.

[@kedrevs4037]

Who drives with a bed full of water?

[@ThePackDad]

@@kedrevs4037 LOL - A few people have, but I really meant to say something like a tank of liquid that some folks haul for work. Water, bug killer, septic cleaner at campground, gas during quarantine, pick your poison. 🙂

[@kec2528]

Thanks for the video. I am new to towing and just bought a Lance 1985 that has a GVWR of 7000 lbs. I am going to tow it with my 2020 Ram Rebel that has 11k towing and 1406 payload according to the Ram website after entering the truck VIN. Any tips or advice? I am a little nervous as I plan to tow from Colorado to Washington later in the year. Happy travels.

[@kec2528]

I forgot to mention my truck is 5.7 v8 hemi 3.92 gear ratio with 33 gallon gas tank. Thanks for your time.

[@poonbandit9924]

Weight distributing hitch, leave the truck running for a while before you shut it off or get gas (no fluid pumping to the transmission cooler if the engine is off.) keep an eye on temps while pulling big grades. You’ll be fine.

[@kedrevs4037]

Sounds like a sound setup. Making sure you have a properly set weight distribution hitch is my best advice. Stay at a comfortable speed for you, I think that is the biggest part of towing.

[@kec2528]

@@kedrevs4037 thank you for your reply.

[@parkcitymacs]

Did you know that the RST without a low diff, you have a payload of 1,978 lbs? Axle is still the same at 3800…. I live in snow country in the mountains and figured I would be screwed without a low diff, but honestly with the locking rear diff I’ve not get it stuck or needed it yet for 4x4 stuff. I guess I have SXS’s and dirt bikes for off road,… Just a thought.

[@freed14760]

Tfl truck it was the 1500 RST CHEVY. 6.2 V8. They can’t tow at high elevation at the max tow rating. Less air means less power. More stress on engine and hot day.

[@kyleheiser6622]

Great video - what mpg are you getting with the lance and the tundra ? My average is between 7-9

[@kedrevs4037]

8-9.5 depending on speed, head wind, always do better west to east than east to west.

[@topgun5399]

Did not the factory include the full tank as far as curb weight. I heard it both ways. Not sure what the real deal is.

[@kedrevs4037]

GVWR is the number that includes all fluids, cargo and occupants

[@topgun5399]

For the average Joe the numbers on the sticker gives numbers so you can give you fairly close idea of the truck's ability. Numbers give a ending point. Stay below the numbers especially on cargo capacity on the truck witch you can reach faster then people think and your good to go. One thing that no one mentions even you is what? Il tell you length! length! length! You should not pass 28' in my book. Even hight! A camper that is 11' high to a camper that is 10' high makes a big difference and length. Some will pull a camper beyond 30' and I find that more dangerous. And your doing this on a 5,000lbs truck. That is a sail boat back there and not a trailer full of bricks. My opinion to make this simple don't tow anything pass 28' and 6,000lbs on a 1/2 ton. Anything bigger go 3/4 or 1ton if you want everyone safe in your truck. This eliminates all that you said and good to go. I have a 2021 GMC elevation that has 7,000 gross and 9,200 lbs towing. Just bought a 28' camper dry weight 5052lbs 7,550 gross. There is no way I will be even coming close to that gross. Maybe 6,000lbs and even then I'm reaching. The same with the truck . 1,787lbs cargo max. By the time I load my truck with me the wife and dog and a few things in the bed like a small frill leaf blower some tools maybe another 750 lbs and even that I'm pushing. Tougue weight with hitch and trailer 700lbs. Well within the spec. Of the truck so you can disect all you want but bottom line it's weight and just as important length. It's the law of physics. Wind resistance takes a big part on what a little 1/2 ton 5,000 + truck can handle.

[@bluegrasstransport5266]

What do you think about a ram 1500 that's what i have. 2017

[@kedrevs4037]

I really like all trucks, owned a 2021 Ram Limited with the Hemi before my Tundra. Great truck.

[@rampar77]

I think most people were confused abut payload. Payload on a truck is different than a payload on a trailer. Payload on a truck is the capacity of what a truck frame could withstand under stress with standard load including full tank of gas. That should also included a safety factor of at least 2X - estimated of what they should be used. Payload is not a part of towing capacity. I am not into RV but I wold never tow more than half of capacity fully loaded. In addition, as an ex-turbo mfg engr. I would not recommend engine with turbo to any one.

[@kedrevs4037]

Good info, appreciate it

[@bradyb3393]

Virtually all modern diesel engines have turbos. What exactly are you recommending to tow heavy loads with?

[@Swindy1794]

With a trailer, you’re not pulling it, you’re rolling it. However you have to be able to safely stop. I own a 19’ Tundra 1794 and i occasionally tow but nowhere near its rated capacity. Been a great truck, I’m keeping it till the wheels fall off! Subscribed 👍

[@kedrevs4037]

Great post

[@whatfreedom7]

Yeah Toyotas are reliable for the most part. I have a 06 Tacoma I bought new and it’s been good with mostly just maintenance but the paint is all falling off because Toyota paint sucks and the torque converter is starting to go bad at 156,000 so it’s time to dump it. So I guess I could say I drove it till the paint fell off.

[@rickmiller3388]

Thanks for this video. on line looking for ppls that drive a Tundra pulling a trailer. Not too many of them. My Tundra is a 2017 SR5 pulling a Grand Design 2250 6995 Lb. bought the trailer then found the truck to pull it. might be a bit of an over kill but i feel safe driving with the wife in tow.

[@kedrevs4037]

It should do great with that setup for a long time

[@Steve-un9mc]

Nice setup. I have a 2wd 2015 SR5 Double cab 5.7L that I use to tow my 2020 Heartland Wilderness 2300DB. The trailer at max load is 7400 lbs, but realistically I don’t load it to the max. It’s a great setup except I have the 26 gal fuel tank so I am pulling over every 2 hours. I feel very safe when towing my trailer

[@machine7767]

My F150 with the Max tow package has a rear GAWR of 4150 lbs. Towed a 30 foot enclosed trailer that weighed 8500 lbs. The 3.5 liter turbo with a 10 speed tranny was amazing. Kept it out of overdrive by locking out gears 8, 9, and 10 which are the weaker overdrive clutch packs. Turbos were hardly working just two or so pounds of boost most of the time. If you dont get crazy with the throttle you can keep it under 10 pounds of boost up hills at about 3,500 rpm. Gauge maxes out at 20lbs but i have only had it up to 17lbs of boost once. My old 6.0 liter chevy worked a lot harder it was naturally aspirated and the only way to get power out of it was to wind it up well over 5,000 rpm to make it up long mountain passes. I don't think thats the best for an engine.

[@kedrevs4037]

Great info there, thank you for sharing

[@johnbalzano6588]

So are you saying that the 5L gas is a better towing engine than the 7.3L Diesel?

[@kedrevs4037]

Hmm, don't recall saying that at all.

[@haywardhuntsberry7038]

I pull a 38ft 8300 lbs travel trailer with a 2022 Ram with a 5.7 liter 3.92 rear end wirh no sweat. Now winds north of 12-15 mph I have to slow her down to about 55-60 mph

[@kedrevs4037]

One of the things that rarely gets talked about is headwinds when towing. TFL does reviews and I'd like to know which direction and how strong the winds are.

[@EdwardHart]

Some Diesels will have a lower payload capacity than gas simply because the diesel engine is heavier, thereby reducing it's payload

[@kedrevs4037]

Haha, that's matter if anyone knows what payload really means in non-commercial vehicle.

[@jeffbucknam7393]

@@kedrevs4037 so would you take an f250 with gas that has plenty of payload say 3,100 or a diesel that has 1600 Payload? If lets say we have 1,000 lbs in passengers (3 teens) and want a travel trailer around 6-7,000 GVWR so 10% approx 6-700 tongue weight= now 1700 payload. Not counting truck cargo. Also would a f150 or GM 1/2 ton tow that? I would prefer a 1/2 ton as it will also be a daily driver. Also I NEED 4x4, crew living in Northern Michigan with 200” snow a year. It has to be used looking under 30k for the truck. I can find 1/2 ton for that with about 60k mikes and 3/4 ton with 170k plus miles.

[@thecarys563]

22 F150 PowerBoost towing a 7500 gvwr trailer at 6000 loaded per CAT. 10k miles towing w Anderson WDH. Comfort for me is the 6k weight and 60mph. Turbos NOT on all the time. Also, plug the 30A trailer into the truck for boondocking; idles ~4x hour 4min to keep AC on.

[@kedrevs4037]

If your towing 6k lbs, I would think the turbos are on most all the time. But kudos if your able to do that without them.

[@ilovetotri23]

Great video! I was hung up on payload for the longest time! My brother who is a highly intelligent engineer told me to think about parameters, not absolute math, because too many equations are not defined. This you clearly demonstrated in your video, Thanks. My brother tows a 27' trailer approx 7000lbs with his 2007 Toyota Tundra 5.7L V8. He has encouraged me to move to a larger trailer. I have a 2014 Toyota Tundra with the 5.7L V8. I tow a 19' trailer approx 3500lbs. I would like to upgrade to a trailer that runs around 5500lbs. Your video has given me some great things to think about. I am not sure where I heard it, but I remember someone saying a good rule of thumb is always to be around a 1/3 of the manufactures tow rating. Do you feel his is a good rule of thumb? Seems to me that most people feel ok running closer to 2/3.

[@kedrevs4037]

The thing that I always heard was 75% of max towing capacity. At 5,500 lbs, you should be just fine.

[@thomasdean5651]

Ive pulled 6000lb travel trailer in a 5.7 tundra for years. Its fine on flatland, and will pull it in the mountains, but your gonna see alot 4000-5000rpms on the tach doing it.

[@whatfreedom7]

I tow a 21ft with a v6 Tacoma which has a tow rating of 6500lbs. My truck will tow ok on highways backroads and even steep mountain roads and still keep the rpm’s usually under 3-3.5k. On the freeway it’s a totally different story. When I’m in 5th gear and and hit those rolling hills it falls on its face and looses all power. I have to try and hit 70 and get a running start at the hills and then downshift when I get into the hill and still struggles. I have semis blowing past me like I’m sitting still. I think my torque converter is on its way out now too cause I’ve been hearing and feeling some weird stuff going on in that area. Even though I’m well within my tow rating I feel like tow ratings are greatly exaggerated. My mom has a Silverado rated for about 8,000 lbs but I can make that thing squat just by pushing on the bumper with my hand it’s so soft. My Tacoma I could jump on it with my full weight and wouldn’t hardly budge. I don’t see that Silverado towing no 8,000lbs.

[@ilovetotri23]

@@thomasdean5651 Thanks

[@ilovetotri23]

@@kedrevs4037 Thanks

[@harveyhenry3598]

Newsflash: the baby diesels have turbos and you don’t like small displacement engines that use turbos to boost HP and torque because turbos make heat. Also if I’m not mistaken Toyota has just introduced a small displacement turbo charged engine to be their flagship towing option.

[@kedrevs4037]

Suggesting turbo diesel are similar to gas turbo is like suggesting dirt bikes are similar to street bikes. They are not set up to perform the same job.

[@harveyhenry3598]

Well they pull like a diesel. In fact if you review the charts you will see that a 3.5 liter eco boost is making more torque at 2500 rpm than your 5.7 can make period; the new Tundra 3.4 is going to blow your 5.7 off the road with torque as well. Yes turbos make heat; in fact it is common to equip diesel’s with a pyrometer to monitor stack temps. I have a friend whom wasn’t watching stack temp close enough on his Dodge/Cummins diesel and cooked the motor pulling a local mountain pass. And likewise any non turbo makes a lot of heat when it is pulling a grade with a load because to develop the needed torque they are generally turning 4 to 5000 rpm; those kind of RPM’s are not generally needed or experienced with a turbo charged motor regardless of whether it is a gas or a diesel. If you just want to talk longevity then my first diesel was in a 1986 Ford, a non turbo 6.9 liter diesel. That motor could easily go a million miles but it could barely pull the truck without a trailer hitched…that non turbo diesel couldn’t pull itself out of a wet sack!

[@sanhly2690]

Hello. I just bought this truck (Silverado 1500 LT 2FL Turbomax, 4x4) about 4 weeks ago, this car is beautiful, good, strong engine. I want to buy an RV but I don't know if this vehicle can tow an RV or not? If so, what is the maximum weight of an RV? My Truck: Brand new 2024 Gvwr=7,000lbs. Gcwr=14,500lbs. Rgawr=38,000lbs. Maxpayload=1,966lbs. Curbweight=5,034lbs. Conventional TWR=9,000lbs. Max tongue weight=900lbs. Gooseneck TWR=8,900lbs. Max tongue weight=1,335lbs. Gawr FRT=3,800lbs. Gawr RR=3,800lbs. Tire size: FRT=RR=265/65R18 T. (rim 18x8.5J) SPA=265/70R17 S (rim 17x8J). Font=Rear=Spare=240 kPa, 35Psi. So, Can my truck (GVWR=7,000lbs) tow an RV/Trailer with a maximum load of 9,000lbs? If possible, please post more videos of the Silverado 1500 2.7l, 4-cylinder truck pulling an RV trailer. Thanks

[@kedrevs4037]

Personally I wouldn't want to push a modern half-ton beyond 8-9k depending on how much I was towing.

[@scottmullins8726]

I have tow a Grand Design 245RL that weighs dry, 6500 lbs with a hitch rating off 670 with a 2021 Tundra and it pulls effortlessly. If you talk on forums, I would need a 250 or 2500 4,000 miles in it now.

[@kedrevs4037]

Ain't that the truth, many on forums don't use common sense.

[@dom_delacroix7424]

It's all about your cooling systems. Yes your truck maybe can pull a large load but for how long can it do it. Diesel is designed to do so. It has multiple cooling systems. You don't have to worry about frying anything. Or worry about what type of weather you tow in. But also don't exceed towing and payload capacity for any truck.

[@kedrevs4037]

I track my temps, never seen anything above 218, not even in the desert or mountains on triple digit days

[@dom_delacroix7424]

@@kedrevs4037 Try the Ike gauntlet. That's the true test. Lmao. Just kidding good for you man.

[@brucehillemann9698]

I have a 2022 GMC Sierra SLT 1500, it sucks towing 6000 pound travel trailer. The trailer moves the truck around terribly.

[@clint3651]

TTL first, Tires inflated for the load on TV &TT? Tongue Weight, do you have enuff? WDH adjusted properly? Are you LOADED heavy in the rear of the TT?

[@brucehillemann9698]

@@clint3651 Tires all inflated properly. I think it is too much tongue weight. If I ease up on the weight distribution hitch the effect on the truck gets worse. The friction type sway reducer tightened all the way. Thinking of adding airbags to the rear.

[@bobmartens1089]

Might be your hitch set up , that truck should be able to handle that np

[@brucehillemann9698]

@@bobmartens1089 It is the same hitch set up as on my last truck. 2003 GMC 2500HD. Granted a heavier truck but it handled it well. Every time I get passed the trailer moves the truck sideways.

[@clint3651]

@@brucehillemann9698 Properly for my KO2s (E)pulling 8K is 60 psi all around and 40 psi on the GYs (C)on the Durango

[@taithanson2494]

What are ypur thoughts on the 2010 5.7 sequioa for towing a medium travel trailer? I have a 2012 tundra and love it, but i have 5 kids, so i need more space

[@kedrevs4037]

I can’t say much about it other than the 5.7 is a proven towing champ. Not sure about Sequoia gearing, but if I had 5 little ones, it’d be on my short list.

[@GF-ph1jp]

I have a 2016 Sequoia, and from what I can tell, it has the same drivetrain as the same year Tundra - a 6 speed transmission and a 4.30 rear axle. Main difference is a shorter wheel base and independent rear suspension.

[@leveragecomics5067]

When/what year does the second generation tundra start?

[@kedrevs4037]

2007-2021, it was quite a run

[@leveragecomics5067]

I’m looking at tundra’s right now, going with crewmax for kids, they are all sr5, is the 2 or 4x4 better, trying to figure l out what the hitch/tow can handle and I’m looking between the below campers: Rockwood 2509s Hitch 773 UVW - Empty 5,336 GVW - Max Weight 6,933 UVW Apex Mini-lite Hitch 596 UVW - Empty 4,260 Cargo - 1740 GVW - Max 6,000 I’m going into the mountains on NC so I need to be sure I’m safe for my family, can someone please help?

[@leveragecomics5067]

@@kedrevs4037great, looking at a used 2012-18

[@Nobamaable]

I tow a 234 Forest River travel Trailer that weighs in around 6500 loaded with my 2014 Tundra Limited 4x4 w /dual TRD exhaust. I went to Tennessee in the smokies from Virginia and got around 9.2 MPG. I thought it would do a bit better than that. I usually get around 15-16 average and 19-20 on the highway without a load. What kind mileage are you getting out of your Tundra?

[@kedrevs4037]

Depends how n which direction ( heading east always better than west), speed (mostly 70-75), wind, and terrain. More hilly the worst. The thing that hasn’t meant much is altitude. I actually markedly better in western time zone states than I do east of The Mississippi. Than being said, My experience says that VA, TN, WV, GA, NC, and SC midlands is where my MPGs are the worst. I would be thrilled with 9.2MPGs in that section of tge country. Also found weight has less to do with it than shape. Get above 70, and wind resistance is really strong. Best out west is approaching 11 heading east at about 70MPH. Worst on eastern half of country is 7.8MPGs into strong headwind. Average with a box trailer like your FR is right around 9 MPGs for trip at 70-75. For the Airstream that I have now, about 9.6.

[@Nobamaable]

@@kedrevs4037 Okay... I was doing around 60-65 average and got that mileage as an average going East and West. Going West into Tennessee was around 8.5 mpg. My tires are 275 with an aspect ratio of 5mm more or 60 series versus the 55 stock series tires, so that may throw off my average mileage calculation a bit. Also, this trailer is the ribbed style aluminum siding versus the clean straight fiberglass style. That equates to more surface area and more drag than the fiberglass travel trailers. For now, I'm just trying out different rental trailers on RVshare before I pull the trigger on purchasing one. I like the Airstream trailers, but I enjoy the slide outs to open up the living space more. Thanks for the info.

[@flexjay87]

Well, i can't afford a new truck, but this info applies to any year truck, in relation to what you are towing. My question is : where is that campground in the Intro ?

[@kedrevs4037]

That is Red Rock Rv park in Island Park, Idaho. It’s 20 minutes outside of Yellowstone national Park. Don’t tell anyone bit straight up that road on the other side of the fence and in front of those mountains is Lake Henry. The #1 still-water trout fishing lake in the country. And the land at the end of that road on the southern shore of Lake Henry is all BLM land. Shhhhh! Don’ttell anyone!