MZTV 1630: The Secret of Babylon, Part 1

[@davidjames468]

Knowing Martin, this two parter will become a several parter and we won't hear "the word" until this Friday. 😉😄 That being said, I always love it when Martin dives into the prophetic texts. He has a great way of explaining them.

[@EagleSean]

Good Morning Brother Martin And Y'all Recipients Of Grace and Enjoyers Of Enjoying God's Creation and The Nations And The Universe 🦅😎✌️✨🇺🇲

[@JKBelle]

Amen!

[@EagleSean]

@JKBelle Sister 🥰🦅✌️ Grace To U

[@dawng.2919]

Good morning my beautiful family! 🕊️💕

[@simonundergrace]

Good morning, lil sis! 🌞❤️

[@undergrace722]

☀Grace and Peace☀

[@ClinToneCust23]

Grace and peace ❤

[@undergrace722]

@@ClinToneCust23 👍❤🙂

[@jenniferweiss4734]

Excellent video, Martin. I just watched the video link to underground cities. It was interesting ❤

[@donaldkgarman296]

GOOD MORNING SAINTS

[@TazyBibleBloke]

In these crazy times, we need to reconnect with nature on a regular basis - the bush, mountains, beach etc, where you can disconnect with tell-lie-vision and what the evil cabal/beast system cannot "program" us. Currently l'm spending a few days on a remote north east Tasmanian beach with limited internet access. Three weeks ago l started rewatching your Revelation series. I'm up to about #105. So accurate even though you produced these 9 years ago.

[@zendermeister]

You are so right about getting away! Good for you. Healthy move. Brilliant move. so happy to hear that the Revelation Series is still delivering. I SO MUCH appreciate this post, Tazy.

[@TazyBibleBloke]

@zendermeister your Revelation Series#109 delivered to my border collie dog this morning! It was the one about Revelation 4, where animals had representation before God. I had it playing as l was driving back from the beach and you told dogs to pay attention. He was resting, and when he heard that his ears pricked up and he was attentive!

[@patricialord6859]

Good morning BOC

[@ClinToneCust23]

Good morning

[@shauninthebody]

YES! I've been thinking the city of Babylon has been conspicuously missing as all the other pieces are falling in place. Bring it on Martin! Can listen to this all day long.

[@zendermeister]

God bless you, Shaun. Thank you.

[@kaysie11dh]

Afternoon everyone!! Or good morning to my American friends!

[@heretic7811]

Your previous video about underground, and secret, helped me tremendously. Looking forward to tomorrow’s teaching, brother. 👍

[@zendermeister]

thank you as always, brother.

[@Annatar]

Martin, a few days ago you mentioned Dr Turley's channel so I checked out a few of his videos and... Wow. He's ALL IN with this new golden age of the conservatives stuff. It's astonishing. The AC is coming soon

[@zendermeister]

Right? He's all in without realizing the darkness lurking within it. Yet who can really argue with the fact that corruption is going to be largely defeated. Thanks for the post.

[@MatthewFisher-v1k]

MZ, Thank you. M’s❤

[@TruthGrooverBOC]

Good morning, Saints!! I changed my channel name (formerly Volksgroove) ✌️

[@ambassadorofconciliation]

Let God’s explainations stand and believe them.

[@zendermeister]

Right on!

[@caroleevandyk5544]

Today l’m 1B, cuz Martin is 1A.

[@maryy2121]

Hey❤️❤️Martin I have another question 🤣i guess you’re already bored with my questions,I just have ongoing thoughts about the words because I want to know every word detailed.So my question I asked u days ago about the aion - aionios but do this words in all verses mean age abiding? I get obviously that in many verses they are clearly mean it but in all?

[@GregUniRec]

Hi Mary. I don't presume to be on the level of Martin but would like to tackle this question. As far as I know, the word aion always refers to a period of time with a beginning and an end (i.e. eon or age). Are there any particular verses or ideas that make you ask this question? That might help narrow down the subject a little.

[@maryy2121]

⁠​⁠@@GregUniRecthank you for replying.yes I’m thinking about for example this verse.Jeremiah 31:3 From afar hath Jehovah appeared to me,which an age-abiding love I have loved thee.(YLT) in CLNT -eonian I was thinking that this can be eternal love?

[@zendermeister]

Dear Mary, sorry about that, I didn't see your question the other day. I try to get to all the comments, but it doesn't always work out. (So, nope, not bored with your questions.) Answer: aionios ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS means age-abiding or, as the Concordant has it, "eonian." It ALWAYS has to do with time. Even when God is called "the eonian God" in Romans 16 (25?) it STILL has to do with time: He is the God on the eons. It doesn't mean He's NOT eternal, just that we are getting special information here that He goes through the eons with us. Also, the saints do NOT reign "forever and ever," and neither does Christ reign "forever and ever." It's always to do with the eons.

[@zendermeister]

@@maryy2121 No, it is definitely not "eternal love" in that passage. We already know that God's love never ceases. This verse is specifically talking about a love that endures through the eons.

[@maryy2121]

@@zendermeister thank you Martin❤️I appreciate it so much.i just have so many questions 🤣trying to be consistent about every word

[@GregUniRec]

Looking forward to tomorrow teaching (unless of course, you run out of time... again 🙂). I must admit that I am one who leaves the door open to Secret Babylon not being in Iraq. Honestly, with the way the things are today, all of the world looks to the U.S. for leadership and lives off of her wealth. This will be even more true on Jan. 20th, 2025. What better example of whoredom could there be, as far as what we can see today, than Washington D.C. The whole world is affected by what happens there. I'm obviously not married to this idea but it makes some sense to me. The door is open to other ideas, as always.

[@zendermeister]

But the problem is that Revelation does not say, "Washington D.C." And that is a problem that cannot be overcome and should not be attempted to be overcome. As soon as we leave the door open to breaking a law of Scriptural interpretation, then we're in trouble. I think Babylon is NY, you think it's Washington DC, someone else thinks its Jerusalem, someone else thinks it's Oshosh, Wisconsin. Hm. Maybe the safest bet is to say that it is what God says it is.

[@tonyladokguy8985]

The idea that the USA is the Babylon of Revelation goes way back, mostly coming from Americans! I guess it's just natural (or nationalistic) to think we are always the center of attention. It's the same with Christians who think everything said in the Bible is directly to them, or about them, which is isn't. The big stumbling block for me is 7 years doesn't seem to be enough time for all the events in Daniel and Revelation to take place, but I'll figure it out some day.

[@ClinToneCust23]

@@zendermeister I agree with you MZ thanks for bringing out this point I had not considered it in this way. Babylon has to be Babylon. Now the question is why is it so Secret or Mysterious? Very interesting subject. I left a link in the comments about the new quantum computer that is supposed to have proven Parallel universes. You were speaking of computer tech in the video which goes along with whats going on today in the headlines. Thanks for the series

[@robertlakey]

I think Babylon is figurative for the capital of the end time kingdom of the Antichirst. Why not rebuilt ancient Babylon? Because Isaiah said of ancient Babylon in Isaiah 13:19-20... "Babylon, stateliest of kingdoms, beauty of Chaldean pride, Will become like Elohim’s overturning of Sodom and Gomorrah. It shall not be indwelt permanently Nor tabernacled in for generation after generation." Certainly a city could be built underground, but the Scripture does not say so.

[@dannyhutcherson5382]

Is it possible that babylon goes back to the plain of shinar and nimrod. bable is a word that means confusion about the way to God. ( bab) meaning confusion and ( el ) meaning God. Therefore its a religion not a city. just my thoughts. Love your teaching you are a gifted man for sure.

[@zendermeister]

Thanks for writing, Danny. Yes, Babylon DOES go back to the plain of Shinar and Nimrod, which I mentioned in the video concerning Nimrod building the Tower of Babel there. And as I also mentioned, Babylon represents a religious system, yes, but it is ALSO a city, as is plain in Revelation 18. Grace and peace.

[@dannyhutcherson5382]

@@zendermeister tks for the reply. by the way I was a southern baptist preacher for thirty years. when I first introduced these truths to my people they had to call the police out to the church for fear they were going to harm me . I went from a 500 hundred member church to a 6 person bible study. I dont regret any of it . just wish I had known the truth years earlier.

[@zendermeister]

@@dannyhutcherson5382 Wow! This is a real credit to you, Danny. Would love to hear more about your story. I respect you for your stand. clearly the spirit is more important to you than the flesh. You are an example to many. I thank God for you.

[@tinner87]

@@zendermeister i would love to see an interview with mr hutcherson....just sayin

[@CraigT104]

Mystery Babylon was 1st century Jerusalem. It’s easy to prove. Revelation 17:6 & 18:24 says she is drunk with the blood of the blood of the saints and the martyrs of Jesus. In Revelation 18:20 it says, rejoice over her (Babylon/Jerusalem) ye prophets and apostles for God hath avenged you on her. Who is responsible for the blood of the prophets and apostles? 1st century Jerusalem, not modern day Israel or some underground city. There are no apostles or prophets who could be martyred today. In Matthew 23 Jesus said that all the righteous blood shed would be required of that generation. “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem thou that killest the prophets…behold your house is left unto you DESOLATE.” Compare that with Revelation 18:19 that says, in one hour she is made DESOLATE. In 1 Peter 5:13 he says, the church that is at Babylon (Jerusalem) saluteth you..

[@zendermeister]

Craig, are you a Preterist? In other words, are you saying that the events of Revelation are historic? Just asking. I honestly don't know. It seems so when you say, "all righteous blood shed would be required on THAT generation." Peter does not say in 1 Peter 5:13, "the church that is at Babylon (Jerusalem) saluteth you." He says, Greeting you is the ecclesia in Babylon." Don't you think Peter knew where he was? He was in Babylon. We have no right to turn Babylon to Jerusalem. None. "Oh, Peter said Babylon, but he meant Jerusalem." What gives you license to say that? As soon as we do that we break all rules of Scriptural interpretation. And again, you are misquoting Revelation 18:20. It does not say, "rejoice over her (Babylon/Jerusalem)." In fact, no city at all is mentioned in this passage. I like you, bro, but you're adding to what the Scripture says. I've got no problem with anyone offering their interpretation, but when people start changing Scripture or injecting their ideas DIRECTLY into Scripture (as you are doing here), then, Houston, we have a problem. Besides, you misquote Scripture in the very first word of your post. It is not "Mystery Babylon," it is "Secret Babylon." the woman is "the great city which has a kingdom over the kings of the earth." Jerusalem never had a kingdom over the kings of the earth, and it won't until the Millennium. Babylon? Yes. It was that in the past and will be that in the future. Please tell me when Jerusalem had a kingdom over the kings of the earth. When? You ask, "Who is responsible for the blood of the prophets and apostles?" You think that the obvious answer is Jerusalem. Well, Paul was martyred by Rome. But that doesn't really matter. An important verse is 17:6, which you don't mention, which says that she (the city) is responsible for "the blood of the saints and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus." There have been a lot of saints and witnesses of Jesus over the last 2,000 years. Finally, it doesn't matter if the city of Babylon was not DIRECTLY responsible for the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. Babylon will be God's chosen representative city to destroy, composed of the most apostate Jews in history, and UPON THIS CITY WILL COME ALL THE BLOOD. Why? Because God said so. My whole argument can't be summed up this way: "Because God said so." I will interpret Scripture, but I will not ADD to it.

[@CraigT104]

@@zendermeisteryou say you will interpret scripture but not add to it but say Babylon is an underground city. What’s that? Jesus said, “ all these things shall come upon this generation” but somehow that’s referring to us? Dispensationalism futurism is like a mind virus, it ignores all the time statements. First rule of interpretation: who is being spoken to? “The time is at hand”, “it is the last hour”, “this generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled”, etc only make common sense when applied to 1st century believers. I am not a full preterist, I just believe Jesus came back in the 1st century like He promised. Jerusalem was responsible for the blood of the saints, prophets and apostles as Matthew 23 makes clear, not some future underground city.

[@zendermeister]

Craig, there are even more problems with your argument than those I pointed out earlier: Neither Revelation 17:6 nor 18:24 say what you say they say. You claim that 17:6 mentions "the martyrs of Jesus," but the CLNT has, "the witnesses of Jesus." You also misquote Revelation 18:20---again. Not only do you add "Babylon/Jerusalem" but you say, "ye prophets and apostles." This is a misquote, for 18:20 says, "ye saints and apostles and prophets." You left out the word "saints" because it crashes the theory, for, yes, there HAVE BEEN saints who have been witnesses of Jesus and who have been killed for Jesus over the years. Next, just because there is a common word ("desolate") used in Matthew 23 and in Revelation 18:19 proves nothing. By that logic, I can say that the trumpets of Revelation are the same as the trumpet that sounds at the snatching away, simply because of the common word "trumpet." Or that, because Peter's gospel is called a "gospel" and so is Paul's, therefore it is the same gospel. This is faulty reasoning. Besides that, Revelation 18:19 (a verse you mention) says, "And they cast soil on their heads, and cried, lamenting and mourning, saying, 'Woe! Woe! the great city, by which all who have ships on the sea are rich as a result of its preciousness, for in one hour it was desolated!'" You think this is Jerusalem, but this is impossible. Jerusalem was NEVER an exporter of goods by which the magnates of earth became rich, especially not in the first century. AI Overview: "No, Jerusalem was not a major exporter in the first century because Israel lacked the natural resources to produce large quantities of goods for export: NATURAL RESOURCES: Israel lacked natural resources like iron, gold, and precious stones. PORTS: Israel lacked good ports, so it couldn't benefit from seaborne trade. ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE: Excavations in Jerusalem have found few imported goods, suggesting that commerce played a small role in the city's growth." So not only was Jerusalem not a city that was "king over the kings of the earth," she had no natural resources. In your argument, then, I find four mistranslations of Scripture, two times where you ADDED to Scripture, and a conclusion based merely on a common word used in two passages. Your argument is not as easy to prove as you stated in the beginning. Grace and peace.

[@CraigT104]

@ Jerusalem was not an exporter but an importer. Rev 18:11 says the merchants of the earth weeped over her because no man buyeth their merchandise any more. Romans 10:16-18 and other verses make it clear that the gospel was already preached in all the earth. Hosea 2:5 refers to Israel as a mother playing the harlot. Isaiah 1:21 says, how that faithful city has become a harlot.. 1st century Jerusalem was Mystery/Secret Babylon. I still quote from the KJV, sorry. But, I didn’t add anything. I just put Jerusalem/Babylon in parentheses because that is the only logical interpretation. If you are going to claim the book of Revelation is all future then you are calling Jesus a liar because He said over and over that He was returning to the believers living in the 1st century- that generation. Dispensationalism rejects His words. In Matthew 24:34 after Jesus talks about all the things that would take place during the Great Tribulation and His return He says ALL THESE THINGS SHALL COME UPON THIS GENERATION not us 2k years later. In Matthew 26:64 Jesus even told the high priest and the council that THEY would see Him coming in the clouds. Many other verses relay the same idea - they Jesus would return in the lifetime of the people He was speaking to that were standing in front of Him. Dispensationalism basically says that Jesus lied to everyone because He didn’t know about the Mystery/Secret and that Israel would be “put on hold”. This is absurd! I copied and pasted to save time… Earthly Jerusalem, by Divine right and calling, was the preeminent city among all nations. The Hebrew/Biblical understanding of Jerusalem is that she is the "Chief of the nations" (Jeremiah 31:7; Ez 5:5), the Queen city of the earth (Lam 1:1/Rev 18:7). She, by Divine right and covenant, was appointed as the head of all nations (Deut 26:19; Deut 15:6; Deut 28:1,10-13), and the gentile kings recognized God's dwelling was at Jerusalem with the Hebrews (1 Ki 10:24; Luke 11:31; Ezra 1:2; Dan 2:47, 3:28-29, 4:1-3, 4:17, 4:34-37; Ezra 1; Ezra 4-7; Ezra 7:15,23). The Governor of all nations (Ps. 22:28) lived in Jerusalem in his House (Ez 7:15,23), and all the kingdom, power and might over earth was His (1 Chron 29:11-12). Indeed, all kings receive their power to rule from that Divine King (Rom 13:1-2,6; John 19:11; 1 Pet 2:13-14,17; Ez 1:2; Dan 1:1-2; Dan 2:20-21; Dan 2:37-38; Dan 2:47, Dan 3:28-29; Dan 4:1-3,17,34-37.). Without question, Jerusalem is the ONLY City with the Divine Right to "Reign over the Kings of the Earth" The "Woman" of Revelation, who is the "Great City" that "reigns over the Kings of the Earth" can only be Jerusalem.

[@zendermeister]

@@CraigT104 Your explanation is not viable, Craig. Because 17:18 says the great city "HAS a kingdom over the kings of the earth." You change this present reality (in the context) to "Jerusalem is the only with with the DIVINE RIGHT to reign over the kings." it doesn't say they have the right. It says THEY ARE DOING IT. Preterism (which you have established that you're a preterist) is SO unworkable. I'm not liking the New Earth we're supposed to be on. Refuting Preterism is an enterprise I don't wish to entertain, simplty because the premise is too absurd to spend too much time on. /sorry, bro.

[@leonelshout1964]

Zacharia 5:11 rebuilding Babylon

[@zendermeister]

Zechariah 5:11, Concordant Version Old Testament: "And he said to me, To build a house for it in the land of Shinar. And it will be set and left there on its base." Hm. Not seeing "the rebuilding of Babylon" or "Babylon shall be rebuilt" here.

[@Zedek_PhD]

Mystery Babylon came with her cup around 70 A.D. I know we love Paul and the Gospel of Grace, but Jesus also spoke some truth; “ Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” - Jesus Christ

[@lisadisme]

they saw it a week later at the transfiguration not in 70 AD Peter testifies to it: 16 For not by following wisely made myths do we make known to you the power and presence of our Lord, Jesus Christ, but by becoming spectators of His magnificence. 17 For He got from God, the Father, the honor and glory of the voice, being carried to Him in such a way by the Glory Magnifical: "This is My Son, the Beloved, in Whom I delight!" 18 And this voice we hear being carried out of heaven, being together with Him in the holy mountain.

[@Zedek_PhD]

Where is the Holy Mountain? Is it that big black rock the pilgrims of the 1300s used to bring great feasts to for the Lord, or is it somewhere in the sky? This testimony from Peter is accurate, but he was always one step behind future revelations unlike Paul.

[@zendermeister]

Uh, oh. We have a Preterist on board. Still, you are welcome here. The disciples saw Jesus coming into His kingdom in the vision on the Mount. It was a look into the future. So you really think the thousand-years of Israel's rule has past and we are living on the new earth, where there is no more death? Sheesh, I want a refund.

[@lenpaganelli1395]

I thought Lon Cheney was Baby Lon

[@zendermeister]

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