Nürburgring:Ferrari 488 Pista Driving on the Limit! EXPLAINED

Another great Tech...or in this case Driving Tech Talk topic delivered by you guys!!!
Today we get into the characteristics of the 488 Pista and how I have it set up. I break down it’s understeer and using a powerslide not to showboat but to actually get the car to rotate around a turn!
Hope you enjoy and please share your ideas or questions for further videos below.
Most importantly I hope you enjoy Tom’s Clickbait AF thumbnail LOL
Email Apex for all your Nürburgring needs: [e-mail]
OR see our website for more info
Nürburgring Taxis: apex-taxi.de
Nurburgring Rental Cars: www.apex-nuerburg.com/track-c...
Nürburgring Hotel: www.apex-nuerburg.com/hotel/
Follow us on Instagram:
Robert - robert_mitchell
Tom - tomstamp
Misha - mgcharoudin
Apex - apexnuerburg

[@heelandtoe_]

Photoshop skills are on point with this cover pic 😅

[@RobertMitchell]

It’s KZbin official 🤣

[@juzoli]

I think it is more like MS Paint than PS:D

[@tomstamp]

Cheers man!

[@chakk0]

Lmao

[@chinqlinq89]

Flame on!

[@sandypatrol3457]

The Ferrari 488 Pista is such a good looking car.

[@iamwritingrightnow8217]

one of the prettiest Ferrari‘s

[@jorge8596]

So much better looking than the 488 GTB

[@razatiger22]

Wait till the track version of the F8 drops

[@Ssh52]

@@razatiger22 the 458 and 488 are wayyy better looking than the F8

[@razatiger22]

@@Ssh52 people didn't like the 488 when it came out but they love the Pista. So wait till the track variant of the F8 drops. It will be 780+ HP.

[@markwright1742]

Ah the first incident is pretty clear we have a #BLAMESHMEE situation lol, your passenger weight has affected the cars handling....hehe only joking peeps.

[@RobertMitchell]

Yep if he wasn’t in I would have had better weight transfer to the drivers side and no understeer hahahahaha

[@JoeAchilles1]

You're taking the Pista! Another mega video mate, you would be a great dance instructor ;-)

[@RobertMitchell]

You and me Joe. It’s a date

[@mgcharoudin]

Next video: Driving the RingTracktor on the limit.

[@RobertMitchell]

How do you like that thumbnail?

[@SteveSWC]

Aren’t you already on it’s limit before you leave the car park? 😁 I can’t wait till you get all the Darkside goodies on the Tracktor. Robert, I shouted at my phone saying 3 questions blitz, you just said about driving smooth... then you said 3 question blitz 😂👍🏼

[@Miguelito0oO]

I love feeling how a car squats when powering out a curve

[@RobertMitchell]

Looks beautiful doesn’t it?!

[@Miguelito0oO]

Robert Mitchell looks beautiful but feels even better!

[@nikazizi94]

"Drifting is not allowed in the Nurburgring" BMW drivers: Yep. Understood Then starts drifting at first corner

[@Chicomacheeno]

That explains Tim’s little chuckle once the car snapped straight, he felt the car sliding and rotating the whole time and it’s actually a really cool feeling when you get it right, as you’ve done here, Robert.

[@CAR_NL]

What strikes me the most about the Pista is the fact that it accelerates just as fast in 1th untill 5th gear. Never saw any other car do that. Only from 6th gear you can feel that the car is struggling with the wind resistance.

[@RobertMitchell]

Yes 6th gear also gets longer which is kind of funny. Gotta love boost by gear:-)

[@mrTob-ww7sb]

Stop putting the damn pista in the background, or i'll ask for the color code, it's marvelous.

[@RobertMitchell]

Grigio Silverstone

[@VerangaF430]

@@RobertMitchell best colour for an aggressive ferrari

[@haaake]

I love that you are such a student of driving and take it so seriously. Something so missing from so many other channels.

[@jrchismorie]

Today, Robert talks about his spicy Italian Pasta

[@Wooooosaaaaaa]

Hahahahaha

[@dancoyne4151]

This looks like a comment on a Rob Ferretti video lol

[@guypascua8848]

Spicy! Love it!

[@VerangaF430]

Wrong channel!

[@ashwin_26]

These days, I’m looking forward to your videos as much as I look forward to Shmee’s! Great stuff, Robert!

[@nickhoffman7344]

Loved hearing your perspective on the nuanced balance characteristics of each car. Don't find that detailed of a description elsewhere. Please more videos like this for your other cars!

[@BlackFlag94]

Robert... you're saying some wonderfully insightful information but all I'm seeing is the paint on your Pista! What a colour!

[@user-od9iz9cv1w]

This was very informative. Great question prompted first class lesson in automotive dynamics and driving technique. Tom's clips with the slow motion vs full speed clips made this one a masterpiece. Thanks to you both and the track side photographer that donated the clips. I too love the color on your Pista BTW.

[@markwright1742]

Very informative explanation, so much understanding of your car handling and capabilities. This kind of information could really help someone. Great video Robert as always.

[@Pyotr_Velikiy]

Not a Ferrari fanboy but that Pista is absolutely beautiful!

[@denisbarry9436]

It was fun to watch the original video and that little smile you made at the time. It was almost like you were thinking "that should pucker him up a bit". I think its great that Tim lets you beat the crap out of his cars and you guys make a good team. Next time he comes back, you two should shoot a Friday afternoon chat in the garage. Maybe something like "learning the Ring"

[@RobertMitchell]

Yes that would be fun I think. We will do a sit down at some point and make a fun video

[@emrekaya9765]

Man, I really appreciate your useful info about driving different layouts of cars properly on track. I find much more interesting your videos instead of some other guy talking about special order stiching on a car. Keep going Robert! :)

[@ezbron]

Absolutely stunning Pista, for starts, one of my favourite specs so far and love that take on how it behaves and how squatted it goes!!! Beautiful job you done on the set up and the fact you really exploring to the max!!! Also... LOVING the tech talk and you are 'teaching' us all with so much feedback about the cars and about the driving dynamics in general, in performance driving!! Keep them coming!! Loving them, loving your channel!

[@smisjm]

What a great explanation of a truly brilliant piece of driving. That Pista is absolutely gorgeous and looks so cool snaking through the turns. Also, looks like you had a lot of fun taking that car near its limit through that section of the track. Tim looks like he enjoyed it too.

[@waiwong1304]

Amazing how much information came from a few seconds of action. Really appreciate you sharing the knowledge. I think your channel is hitting a much desired niche. Its very unique for a super/hyper car owner to have this level of driving skills, technical knowledge, comprehension to concisely digest and explain, then share on youtube. Thank you very much. I truly appreciate your content.

[@cecilwilson5442]

It's good to listen when the people know what they're talking about and have the skills to achieve the best possible outcomes from situation they put themselves in driving extremely fast,, and are in control at all times during the drive,, liking the content Robert 😉😉☘️☘️☘️from Northern Ireland greatly appreciated

[@FerrariTech10]

A tech segment with videos like this going through vehicle dynamics would be awesome!

[@zoransudar2821]

All YT-rs, vloger etc, this is how super cars are driven!!! Bravo Robert!!!🤍👌✌😎

[@Rodrigoxki]

The lighting makes the wheels look like what they look like in reality Incredibly good looking car

[@karlokozjak4018]

honestly loving the videos learning so much from someone with such experiance like you

[@richardclock2333]

Hows the M3 GTR coming along?

[@cursedMaul1]

This. Would love to see more updates. If there are any ofcourse. Of all the cars Robert owns i'm most excited about the M3 GTR.

[@hamzasherazi9334]

The techniques you have talked about are really helpful. Even in street driving you can implement some of them. A couple of times I found myself going the speed limit and misjudging the sharpness of a corner. I took my foot off the throttle and the car came around beautifully. Even though it's an fwd estate. The dab of the brake is a good shout too for fwd cars. Really loving the vids.

[@0Freguenedy0]

Nice technique, Robert, love that you drive those cars at the limit. When I read Derek Seward book and also Caroll Smith, they also said that a nimble setup with little tendency to undesteer while having power-oversteer would be better for lap times.

[@albyg00]

Another great informative video! Love the Pista(imho one of the spec I've seen) and love your explanations! Keep up the good work!

[@noahbirdrevolution]

Nice work, Tom! Nice driving, per usual, Robert!

[@shouldigetit]

As a MK6 gti owner I learned from this video, thank you!

[@flatsix666]

Fascinating info, Robert! Just shows how much experience & practice heightens the enjoyment of driving high end performance cars like this Pista! Me, I’d just crash 😩 This is why a taxi lap is so worth the spends! No company more capable of delivering the best track experience then Apex ! Peace ❤️

[@Hellman555]

Excellent video! Always say, there is a fine line between showing off and coming off! Perfect balance right there!

[@Rossbacher87]

I love these tech vidoes. Make me realise how little I know about cars and how much there is to learn

[@captainobvious9188]

I loved the stock setup on the early S2000, it was almost perfect for balancing on the tire limit, slight understeer and a little throttle and you could do the subtle crab of being on the limit through a corner.

[@davidsherley2652]

Great video! I appreciate the depth of your commentary and the replays to illustrate. Would you please consider doing a similar video with the GT2RS? Hearing your thoughts on the rear engine dynamics would be interesting.

[@carlylekhan7007]

Good Afternoon Robert. Thank You and The Team. The Videos explained a lot about Handling Dynamics and The Mid Engine Pista and Its Current Suspension Settings Always Great to See You Having Fun and An Owner Enjoying A Wonderful Piece of Engineering Art. Oh. How Are Our Favorite Co Pilot Doing ? Wishing Both You and All at Home and Office. Good Health. Cheers Carlyle

[@TomaMarini]

Thanks for all the videos like this one, great explanations and fun learning experience. Keep them coming.

[@teamstig5648]

Love these videos Robert, awesome work

[@EvertPieterseArt]

It's great to see such a beautiful car actually being driven close to the limit

[@Uathankicks]

Definitely agree with the oversteer commentary, you really want to catch that as early as possible. I definitely enjoy the driver analysis bits.

[@Iseenoobpeoples]

I really like the efforts that you put into displaying Motorsports experiences/concepts.

[@ChiliBuRevolution]

new sub here just stopping in to say how refreshing it is to enjoy being a 'car guy' after finding your channel Robert, much appreciation eh and my bucket list includes a ride in a Apex Taxi.... bless up and good vibes all around! 8^)

[@velvetjones1856]

Driving well explained. I remember sliding a BMW M3 E30 on a test drive. Also did same with Ford Torino and scared the salesman. Drifting wasn't "invented" then.

[@glord49]

Great video. And great content lately.

[@molepalebotsa5973]

I already feel like I am a much better driver than a couple of minutes ago when the video started- just from listening to Robert speak! Wow. Great job! Also, side note, I have just subscribed. I am really enjoying your content Robert Mitchell!

[@RobertMitchell]

well Lepz, welcome to the channel! I hope is can keep some good stuff coming for you:-)

[@molepalebotsa5973]

Thank you Robert. I certainly think that I am going to enjoy my self here on the channel!

[@markgentile3009]

Great post and explanation Robert. Love the Pista and your review of the alignment changes you did. I have a 488 spider and R8v10, definitely different characteristics between them on the track. I take them to Watkins Glen. Any thoughts on the Pista brakes, say vs the GT2RS? I find that sometimes I have press the brake pedal on the 488 with all my might. Not sure why, doesn’t happen all the time. The R8 has a great initial bite and is always consistent.

[@jarnabryan5941]

Hi Robert, I enjoy the way you explain in detail how are a car feels or drives on the most demanding track in the world. Just wondering if you have driven the latest Honda NSX at the Nurburgring? Your in depth analysis of it’s handling would be most interesting. Keep up the great videos. 👍

[@RobertMitchell]

I have not yet driven one but it’s something that I definitely want to do

[@Earl_VTEC]

458 and 488 are epic Ferraris !!

[@somemechanic46]

Hey Robert! After experiencing the reliability of the Pista, would you consider owning multiple of the newer Ferrari models as they come out instead of the McLarens?

[@2JZGarage]

Hey Robert, thanks for the continued in depth content and your no BS approach. A question for your next Friday segment - What are your thoughts on the Ruf CTR "Yellowbird" video from 1987. It's something I was thinking of when you were talking about on the limit driving. Keep up the good work, keen to visit and attend Apex once they let us Aussies travel again :)

[@chrislachmann42]

for the blitz: do you enjoy driving the ring more when it is wet or dry? And what do you believe makes sb to learn the ring quicker?

[@markwright1742]

Excited to watch this so im commenting before watching and after.

[@STEVEBHPDEVON]

when you explain you really see what the car is doing cheers steve 👍 😀

[@RGTNEREU]

More than the good driving experience is the way that the explanations are made !! Very good !!

[@toothferrin]

Great Video! Do you have a preference on the paddles being mounted on the steering wheel (moves with wheel) or on the steering column (does not move with the steering wheel)?

[@michaelweber17]

Modern Multimedia makes things so easy. Nice explanation!

[@RuanLFC]

The whole video trynna not say power slide You can see it haha :P

[@RobertMitchell]

Trying not to get in trouble for drifting lol

[@brylhal]

Great informative video as always. Slightly unrelated i would be really interested in you guys talking about how you setup your cameras in the cars and what settings you are using. I have a real problem with consistency of footage and you guys seam to nail it :)

[@SirThisWayPlz]

Hi Robert, I am driving a R56 Cooper S. I know, I know my car is far from the super cars that you are introducing. But I am really interested to learn how to drive a mini - a short, FF car. You talked about how trail braking help turning the rear. But I found a short FF car like mini really difficult to do because it tends to follow the front a lot. It either oversteer completely out of control, or more often, understeer. I am also having a relatively soft suspension setting and a close to 1.3:1 ratio of front and rear camber.

[@mylvan]

Thanks for this great explanation. Really impressive that you can explain meter by meter what happened with the Pista and how you reacted to it.

[@kime814]

Have you ever participated in any racing event or considered pariticipating? And if, in what category did/would you drive in?

[@mrc8086]

Seems like the 488GTB and Pista have soft springs....I've noticed how much of a difference in ride height the 488 GTB's and Pista's have at speed. In your video your Pista looks like it is all the way down, fully compressed springs with a major change in ride height from standstill to full speed int he corner. So with that in mind do you think the car has lost it's suspension and could cause more sliding around/less grip due to fully compressed springs/shocks? Do you think that shorter stiffer springs would help better with lowering the car but keeping the springs from full compression and shocks too and the car would have more grip? I ask this because I have my 1st 488GTB right now but I come from Porsche GT3's with my last one a 2018 GT3. Thanks for the great insightful videos!!!

[@W0o0dy]

@Robert Mitchell : really excellent explanation of the dynamics of the Pista through that corner. What is the reason that a Porsche GT2/3 has less understeer than the Pista? Weight distribution doesn't seem different, track width doesn't show a difference (+/- 3 cm more width at the front)... Is the understeer you still have in the Pista something you want to/will address with changes to the car? Or is the car well balanced and will changes only make it less effective/joyful to drive?

[@steveadp]

Robert thanks again for these videos. So informative. Would you be able to do similar review of the 718 GTS. I've appreciated the videos you have posted of the drives recently but would like to hear your opinions on the car like you have done for the Pista and GT2RS. Thanks you for considering it.

[@RobertMitchell]

If I could get my hands on one I’d be all over a video w it

[@steveadp]

@@RobertMitchell your red one would work!

[@Michael-zx5ux]

Hey Robert, the color on your Pista is Grigio Ferro right?

[@RobertMitchell]

Actually it’s Grigio silverstone!

[@tdlaustralia7791]

Really liking the videos lately. Looking forward to more of the 620R. Seems similar to the senna as a concept.

[@Bluebird209]

Wow, impressive. Didn't think that the slip angle was that big from the onboard. I love playing around with a car like that, but I'm just driving my MX-5 or rental karts. But see you doing it in a Ferrari Pista... Wow, really impressiv!

[@adamaidermoi]

Robert, could you please explain rake angle and how you set it up on your cars? Would raising the rear of your 488 by a couple of mm help the under-steer?

[@rmr5184]

I really start thinking that Ferrari builds the perfect machines! They can be quite comfortable on the street (according to my limited experience apporx. 800km) and on the same time real track weapons! And you get all of that with great reliability and awesome customer service! I know that some McLaren might be slightly faster but the overall Ferrari package is just incredible! Anyway I'm very jealous about your car park:) Thanks for the great content!

[@sebastianklausen4048]

Hey Robert, Quick question. Are your personal cars (pista) or the apex cars (m3 Schirmer, gt2rs) financed or bought cash?

[@joecade8881]

Your Pista is BEAUTIFUL, I like that spec !

[@RobertMitchell]

Thank you joe!

[@jerrycansmashit9965]

Great explanations Robert...Could we try a throttle and break camera shot in the split screen laps you do and talk us through the process...loving the journey...the edits....and the content robert👍👍👍👍

[@VerangaF430]

As you owned both have them would like to hear the difference between the pista and the speciale on the limit and how it behaves on the nurburgring.

[@calsas]

Such great content, again!

[@jlinwinter]

Robert spends 12 min talking about how much he really wants to drift, but this is the next best thing! Just kidding! great video!

[@andersannerstedt5168]

Fantastic insightful and instructive comment!

[@Vangent87]

I think making the distinction between a drift and slip angle is huge and the 720S is the perfect example of that, people think on the 720S that when you adjust the "drift" mode that its gonna let you drift that wide and you're safe, it will save you. Thats just not true, that setting is the automatic adjustment the car will do to allow you to achieve that degree of slip angle when driving it correctly on the limit. Informative video as usual.

[@FairladyS130]

In the class of 'racing' I participate in with older rear drive cars the most common problem is corner exit terminal over steer. It can be so quick that catching it is beyond amateur reflexes. Perhaps getting it to set early on exit like with the Ferrari here would be better rather than trying to judge when to put the power down on exit and getting it wrong.

[@killerwhale4535]

That pista is a sweet machine!!!! 🤘🤘

[@tealbandit72]

Love Adenau, good view of the track, burger and beer too 😊😘

[@Pedro5antos_]

There's nothing wrong with a bit of #powerslide! Great explanation Robert Rear tires do not appreciate that much but it's fun!

[@Dave.S.TT600]

great explanations Thanks for the video

[@SgtKanyo]

What can you do against these twitchy oversteer characteristics? I'm guessing playing with the alignment and in Assetto Corsa I notice the cars behaving like this when the diff doesn't lock fully. Obviously having a longer wheelbase would help, but that's not something that we can / should do. Also would love to see a video on how alignment can change the characteristics of the car. Like more camber at the front giving more front grip, toe-in at the back giving you a more stable ride etc.

[@RobertMitchell]

Great ideas for some videos! On the list

[@Blasterxp]

Does the rear diff makes the difference? More lock will it slide more i guess? Strong explaination, like it!

[@wellmannsw]

Great understanding of car dynamics 💪

[@skiiizo]

What a car ! You lucky you :) I'm sad... I have a ride scheduled on thursday with the GT2RS and thursday is a rainy day ! I chose one of the only rainy days of the week. What a lucky man I am ! Hahahaha ! I know that Robert told me that the experience on a rainy day with Tim is a "once in a life experience", but I wanted to experience the ultimate grip, the brutal braking and the G force etc... anyways, I'm confident Robert knows what he's talking about... and that indeed will be a wonderful experience... My next ride would be in a McLaren, but I wait for the right model... not sure about the 620R though... i'm waiting to see Robert's first test to decide... But McLaren is high on my list...

[@ChrisRacing20832]

This Slowmotion😍

[@jakovbrnic1892]

What is your opinion on viper acr?

[@cheekymonkey5259]

Had the pista in my mirrors Saturday TF and shmees gt40 I thought you would pass but obviously keeping Tim company , back October hope to get a passenger lap with you in the 620R 😜

[@RobertMitchell]

Looking forward to that!! Yes the first lap Saturday was w Tim and followed up with 2 more on my own :-)

[@marcosmotoringchannel723]

What time do you think a Pista set up by MR would do around the Ring? Btw, awesome video yet again!

[@no_mmm829]

Hi Robert i just wanted to what is the best thing for a beginner on a race track in a front weel drive car

[@Max-lz5ym]

great explanations!

[@rynoz2472]

Love the pista! Bella!

[@IanWilkinson]

With a two pedal car, what are the benefits (and drawbacks) of left-foot braking? Can this technique be used to control the balance between front and rear grip?

[@sighfly2928]

I would have thought the main benefit is being able to get back on the throttle quicker if your right foot is always hovering above it

[@2344tommaselli]

Not sure if you've covered this or not, but I'd like to hear where you started at. Did you start in the Canyons of SoCal? At a track? What was your the first car you tracked? Driving school? Its always awesome, for me anyway, to hear where people began and progressed to where they are now.

[@hensh911]

Thanks so much for the insight you give in this video! As for ideas, I would be keen to see something on how best to drive a 911 fast, given the rear engined dynamics of the car. Mine's a bit of an older one being a 2008 997.1 C2S, which I've had for 5 months and put 5k miles on (8k kms). As I've spent more time with the car and put more miles on, my ability and confidence have naturally grown, but it would be great to get tips on how to drive a 911 fast. Thanks.