World's First Ferrari 488 Pista by Manthey-Racing?

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[@RobertMitchell]

Clickbait AF. I’ll still take firsts though!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJ-3XqmwZredgpY Here is a link to my video on the Job where I go in a bit more detail as to why we did the alignment and what the goals were!

[@MacheteK]

Good comment

[@cutdepiefails6596]

Tractive + dsc suspension would an awesome and perfect upgrade for the suspension. Coilovers are full active as per oem, and the dsc is basically a standalone suspension ecu that is fully and easily tuned. Look into it, very neat piece of kit.

[@eichler721]

Love the spec of your Pista. If I had the money I would buy it from you. I am looking at F8, new 911 Turbo S, and maybe waiting for the C8 Z06. 720S is cool but no service centers within 400 miles of me so thats a pain I don't want to deal with.

[@eichler721]

Have you ever driven a Challenge car or XX Ferrari on track?

[@lukesworld8852]

Thanks alot Robert and Mischa, I learned more about tracking than ever, I'm also setting times at nurburgring on forza7 and the changes I have made to my McLaren, as in toe in, and more toe out on the rear, the car is shaving 3 seconds of my record, so brilliant thank you

[@Soldadummy]

The technical content is the business. Do more of that!

[@danielbrown4579]

I’m glad Robert still has the pista, lovely car!

[@NicholasZak]

Calls Ferrari...….."My Pista isnt what its meant to be on track! what gives?" Ferrari's response …"Then please look into our Gentleman's Driver program and buy a full race car" Thank you.

[@sainesanalsa3324]

Well, whatever the pista is like mechanically, at least it's always drop dead gorgeous. But sounds like the adjustments should really make a difference which is great

[@RobertMitchell]

the fact that its pretty is probably the only reason its still here lol

[@Talynen]

Around 17:00, I kind of appreciate Robert's stance for this reasoning: I imagine a lot of people who come to APEX for a taxi want a certain experience. If they get a ride in the GT2 RS MR, they get to know what the car that set the Ring record is like. Lots of people watched that lap record and thought to themselves "Wow, what would it be like to do that?" However, I'm not sure a significantly modified Pista holds the same sort of appeal. That's not because the car is less capable/desirable as an object to drive, but it ends up being Robert's idea of what he would like a Pista to be. Fulfilling that vision is great for a personal car, but not necessarily that appealing to a mass audience. Keeping it reasonably stock lets your passengers tell their friends that they had a ride in basically the same car that they watched Chris Harris or someone drive on video.

[@_enzoc]

FlyHy well put

[@brentpowell7889]

Another very informative video, learning a lot from Apex, excellent content, will be seeing you guys hopefully later in the year.

[@marckniewel7028]

2:33 Check the indicator! Think you pulled it down so your parkinglight goes on 🤓

[@MarksRandomVideos]

Misha, good to see new and fresh content during lockdown here in the UK :) Keep up the good work.

[@sickjohnson]

Thanks for the awesome content Misha & Robert, it is greatly appreciated these days!

[@manuvic2]

Can't wait to see a first impressions video of the Pista!, aswell as the track open and everything normally working

[@glennquagmire6902]

Although I was having so much fun counting the rice grains in my kitchen rice jar...... (isolation fun) I will happily watch this content..... thanks Misha 😁

[@paullockwood7219]

Brilliant content again Misha. 👏 Thanks for making my breakfast much more entertaining than the news. (sad times) so we need more of this in our lives.

[@MattiasVerduijn]

Great content during this lockdown! Foodshot 9/10

[@GohardGTRSCars]

As Pista owner and hard-core trackday aficionado (at the Ring, Spa & co.), I look forward to the video with the info how the Pista handles on track now (I haven't tracked yet my Pista, took delivery of it just before the coronavirus issue)

[@bo9dan]

Great video Misha , I really liked the technical side , the manufacturers / prototypes area and also the food shots 😉

[@estewarrior1]

Misha thanks for this video with all this great information! serously enjoyed it a lot and learn a lot of course. cheers!

[@ranger4770]

Very very informative. Thanks for the suspension info!

[@DJ_NOOB]

I never really thought about the "at the end of the day" and now I will NOT be able to not think about it. Robert you absolutely are the at the end of the day guy

[@DatM135i]

Nice, I understand toe in and out a lot better now lol, learn somet new everyday.

[@thelokoone1]

The video was refreshingly interesting in these boring times. I really enjoyed the info from Robert "at the end of the day" Mitchell in what concerns camber and toeing

[@edcunhaph]

20:39 Uh Honda time! :D Btw, very VERY good and informative video on suspension setup!

[@ILCapo-mo5jj]

Thanks, Robert! Your inputs are very interesting indeed. I’m taking delivery of my Pista in a few days. I will certainly follow your Pista insights. Please keep it coming and please don’t sell your Pista. I have two Speciales and digging into them slowly but still only from a road perspective. I’m also slowly sorting my rally specced 308 with Öhlins shocks. I will definitely stay tuned to your tubing.

[@giorgiopiccini]

Hallo Misha, this type of vídeo talk about the modifications on the cars are really nice

[@HG504X]

Love the 488 Pista, you have a point though, if they know most of their customers are only using it for town driving in London and Monaco etc they probably set it to be softened off abit.

[@HomeMadeProductionss]

Loved this serious content, great to hear some more in-depth info, going to look into this for my 36 track car. Soon to be a GTR 36 M3 😁

[@cutdepiefails6596]

Tractive + dsc suspension would an awesome and perfect upgrade for the suspension. Coilovers are full active as per oem, and the dsc is basically a standalone suspension ecu that is fully and easily tuned. Look into it, very neat piece of kit.

[@pezzow]

Cypress hill - rockstar on the radio👌🏼🔥

[@karlsandin4515]

I’ll stick around for that Nurburgring content every time

[@Kolinu2]

Such a beautifully looking car and spec.

[@johnbirkholz3216]

I had a Ford that the rear toe was off and it super unstable where going through a corner even at say 35 mph and I was struggling keeping the car on the road. It was so bad that I stopped on a road trip at a front end shop and they did a four wheel alignment and it was like a different car.

[@artemrauchmann721]

Super nice content

[@JerainJezza]

When you put (even minimal) toe out in the front, you need the negative camber in the front to go with it or else you will slide over your tires (unersteer) like Robert explained. Toe in overall is better for straigh lining. A little toe in front and rear is standard on most RWD cars for road use, but will work at the track with good tires and some negative camber! :D

[@darjanator]

Robert's lying about the passenger situation. He doesn't look a hair over 30kg!

[@FETTSpence]

Thats why I subscribed to this channel. Not for pista but for Pizza Foodshot 10/10

[@brendanfleming6584]

Nice vlog Misha. I think that's the facelifted E Class, due imminently. Stay safe.

[@maciejmj5703]

The rattle in the Golf goes BRRRRRRR. :D

[@duncanbleak3819]

Enlightening!

[@corgibruzer1354]

Props to you mate for putting the time stamp for the thumbnail

[@AlbertLamarque]

Good thing that AMG is testing the new Plague series. Interesting choice in these trying times. I also really like the upgrades on the 488 Pizza.

[@martinchapman2168]

Good video

[@MacheteK]

Good Comment

[@zaheerkader7426]

Cool vid 👌🏿

[@jhill92]

While on a straight line I guess we can agree that it doesn't make a difference if you have negative or positive toe, yet from my understanding negative toe would encourage understeer since the outside wheel is pointing out a little and also the weight transfers to the outside wheel, giving it more traction. So actually positive toe should help you in corners, but make the car a little more oversteer prone.

[@ozrbfan]

so glad the Pista is still around..

[@martindeoliveira5128]

That S2K looks sick!

[@diederikdemot2007]

btw the f1 things of steering is based on the akker man principle that 1 wheel kan have more steering angle etc then the other .... nice vid ;) some nice kw with that helpers srping coud do the trick for that car ?

[@zenonmaruda2552]

this is it :) . @Misha thank you for providing us standard content . wish all the best. #staypositive

[@futte2303]

hello Misha. it is not annoying with the vibrations in the tractor. because I think if you have to have locktite on all nuts and bolts so that they do not shake loose

[@marcusbalzer8393]

2:30 Was your blinker still "on"?

[@rickbossv5]

The beep means it activated your parking light at the left side, as your indicator whas on the left.. This shouldn't be on if the lights are switched of tho..

[@erikjakan1]

Awesome car! Just a question, why is the alignment in mm and not in degrees and minutes?

[@mgcharoudin]

Just like psi and bar.

[@micheltebraake7915]

Pizza Pista lap? Sportauto's uit de fabriek zijn meer afgesteld voor de weg dan een circuit zoals Robert al opmerkte, dus dan kun je als eigenaar aan de gang om de "sport auto" aan te passen waarvoor de fabrikant zegt dat de auto bedoeld is. Nu wachten tot de Ring weer open is en Robert de verbeteringen kan uitproberen.

[@BavariaR]

I run my GTR with Toe out and I like it more then toe in for the track and it has still enough power to pass the 300km/h on Doettinger. I would need more downforce and gladly giving up 30km/h on top speed

[@flatsix666]

Is that flock of lovely white Cayman's Robert's new employee fleet? lol Talking of the tow on the Pista, It would probably be quicker around the track being TOW-IN 'D behind the GT2 RS MR. :) D'OH, you left the lift up on the 488 again in the barn ;) So difficult not to shake hands on greeting or leaving a good friend!

[@Rascallucci]

What you need is more power from the engine. The Pista is 60 HP down from the 720S as someone has already found out by running both cars on the Dynojet. Reason being is McLaren sandbagged its specs massively. As it turns out, the 720S has 700 WHP to the wheels not to mention the car is lighter too. The Pista will need another 100 HP just to get on par with the 720S and we haven't even mentioned the 765 LT yet.

[@mgcharoudin]

Handling has nothing to do with power. More power will make the handling only worse.

[@Rascallucci]

@@mgcharoudin I wasn't referring to the handling with the wheel alignment, toeing and so forth. I was referring back to when DragTimes came over from Florida how the 720S was able to smoke the Pista in a straight line.

[@mgcharoudin]

@@Rascallucci we are tracking the car and the shortcomings come from the handling, not the power. 720 is the fastest car bang for buck you can buy for a straight line accelerarion no doubt

[@marcnobel3938]

Aha! Now you have the best Pista in existence. :-D

[@jacksonstorm2013]

Ferrari 488 Pista 😍

[@dx4picco650]

strangely I've had the opposit experience and toe in and out on the front axle. toe out will increase steering input lag while having it more settle, contrary to toe in increasing responsiveness and turn in caracteristics. they did also explained that F1's runs toe out to tame down the front of the car and avoid over responsiveness.

[@RobertMitchell]

Dx4picco Keep in mind that I’m talking about positive and negative toe going beyond zero to the other side. If youre at negative toe and go from -2 more positive to -1 it will be less responsive as you say. Go past 0 into the + and it will start to get hyper

[@chuckbiscuito]

Dedion transaxle drivers: negative rear camber? What's that?

[@firstprototype]

That's the E Class

[@nordschleifchen]

15:00 i still love the logo of raeder motorsport, which i`ved designed in 2001

[@mgcharoudin]

Oh wow! Good job!

[@nordschleifchen]

@@mgcharoudin Thank you Misha. Like your channel! If you need an quick and especially old driver, call me :-D Got 6000 laps since 1987 :-) Or check my unprofessional channel :-D

[@jagymeister]

Video of S2000, please! Thanks

[@parky2310]

Mint!

[@jahyoda]

Morning Misha...Have Great and Safe Day Brother

[@shanescarlife]

Should I get my M4 alignment checked/adjusted?

[@mgcharoudin]

Always

[@ThePSHX]

MR everything ^^

[@trackdays7625]

5:26 you had my car, blue Cayman GT4MR (not the BB number plate development car). A week ago, it was a GT4, got transformed to MR and I am going to pick it up tomorrow. Normal times, I would swing by 🤗

[@P1_TDT]

Trackdays make sure you post a video of the changes. Did you get the rear wing also?

[@trackdays7625]

I‘d rather offer it to a proper content creator (calling Misha, but seriously, already offer out to somebody, let’s see whether we can work that out). Got the full package, some parts I already had (brake pads, wishbones), now I got the rest (KW suspension, steel braided brake hoses, wing, BBS rims). Hope for tracks to be opening soon, I am sure we can do this in a responsible way soon after Easter.

[@P1_TDT]

Trackdays Would love to see it. I have the MR trackday kit (lower arm package) I’m thinking to get the full package (KW, braided lines and pads) now once we are out of lockdown… just trying to decide if the wing is worthwhile.

[@trackdays7625]

Tyrone Thomas Not sure my talent is great enough to tell, but according to Manthey it helps stabilizing the car for high speed corners. Quite a few fellow track drivers run higher risers / bigger wings and are happy with it.

[@mgcharoudin]

@@trackdays7625 let's do it when the things calm down!

[@jamesf7437]

I saw a GT3 RS MR cruising through Monaco when I went to the shops earlier...

[@miauwg1233]

How do you like Monaco as a country?

[@jamesf7437]

@@miauwg1233 I have lived here a long time and I really like it... summer months are the best as with most places by the sea but winter is quite nice because it is quiet...

[@clausphillipresberg7042]

Love the technical content... Nice education during these "in the pits" days. Best regards Claus Ph. @c.phillip.resberg

[@madridista703usa3]

Nice

[@tonycarpaccio9550]

So many food shots, I feel so spoiled!

[@henrypasini6827]

“At the end of the day.....” 😂 boys will be boys !

[@vlxlando3625]

Cant wait for the track to be reopened ahhhhhhhhhhhh

[@shibbi972]

im gonna test those settings on my pista in horizon 4 ^^

[@AB-80X]

I did on my actual Pista Spider. Prefer 0.5 degrees of toe out.

[@john_p]

what dampers do you put on a pista? jrz? ohlins?

[@AB-80X]

He runs stock dampers.

[@bertrandgordon1968]

Love the German word for turkey... 😁

[@PureAsGold]

I need a S2000 lap!

[@AB-80X]

So individual. I find a Pista with toe-in to feel almost dead. 0.5 out works well and keeps it light but without it being darty.

[@1982daverogers]

I am amazed that those testing have got around the lock downs, any idea how?

[@mgcharoudin]

There is no lock down in Germany. Social distancing is something else.

[@iamDave0071]

At the end of the day don’t change Robert 😂 Counted 4 ateotd’s in this vid.

[@Vokieeeee]

At 2:40 or so , your Car was beeping an alarm when You opened the Drivers side Door ,lol ! You left your Key in the ignition , did You not ?

[@MosesKaldor]

This video is a lesson to watch the full video before making a comment. Thank you for posting, it gives a bit of normality during this time.

[@ski567]

0:24 - Do your Detailers have any tips, tricks, or hacks for cleaning the inside of windshields? Also, Dyana was looking especially good in this video!

[@mgcharoudin]

Good question!

[@jjohnson9775]

I’m a detailer (not at Apex obv), inside of windshields and rear windows is my least favorite part of detailing. I recommend using Spray Way window cleaner and a pair of clean micro fiber towels. Do 1/2 of the windshield at the time and start from the middle of each section and work your way out. :)

[@ski567]

@@jjohnson9775 Thank you very much !

[@_arthouse]

Misha! What do you guys do about the ceramic brake discs wearing? Replace with new, very expensive rotors? Send them for re-coating at ReBrake? Switch to steels? Use some after market ceramic rotors like Surface Transforms? Love your videos btw, always interesting, even with what's happening across the planet at the moment. Stay safe!

[@mgcharoudin]

Depends on your use and warranty rules.

[@_arthouse]

@@mgcharoudin Oh really? Not considered just consumables like tyres etc?

[@LSs1Power]

Where is the GT2RS video that covers suspension setup?

[@mgcharoudin]

Did we promise it? Sorry if did!

[@LSs1Power]

Misha Charoudin From the Video i understood that GT2RS from the factory came with a setup that was ok, but it improved alot after you guys dialed it in. Im curious as I experienced the same with my GT2RS after it was setup properly. The car was completely different.

[@BavariaR]

GTR Power and sound! Not really stock by Atomic :-)

[@nicusorusa12345]

You should get THE DAS from Mercedes F1...

[@kristiancaleta]

Pizza looks 😋 oh, pista also..

[@user-vp2fe2pg2f]

Grigio ferro??

[@MrE30]

Good evening Misha and Robert, Robert is 1% correct Ferrari should start listening to its customers that actually drive there cars on track and give them minor driving options from the customers feedback.

[@allensaunders449]

In america all buffet restaurants have stopped can't have people touching food. Infact only restaurants take outs are even open. Can't even go inside a restaurant curbside only. Crazy times. Nice break from all the depressing news

[@spankydoodledo]

Why didn't Robert install DAS system ?

[@badboymorales]

RIMAC on NURBURGRINGGGGG

[@janhildemann]

Technik Talk is very intresting

[@snowlover71]

That gas station beats most of the food places near me

[@AB-80X]

That's pretty damn sad, because it's not very good.

[@nicksGLI]

Hey, will Nurburgring let you go out by yourself and repaint "your" wall for a video?

[@mgcharoudin]

Actually, not a bad idea to ask!

[@GyoubuMasataka]

Nankang tyre have come a long wayyy...damn

[@AB-80X]

True. But replace them with Trofeo R or MPSC2R and you'll quickly realize how far they still have to go. But for the price it's an excellent track day shoe.

[@GyoubuMasataka]

@@AB-80X i only remember nankang cuz back in the day,kcar boy only have a choice from nankang,for a size 165/40 17,even japanese manufacturer didnt have that kind of profile

[@zyoungson215]

I dont understand why anyone would set up a car with toe out, it makes the car turn in but then you need more lock because weight transfers to the outside wheel & the inside wheel scrubs. you get the inside wheel turning more with ackermann anyway.

[@AB-80X]

If you don't understand why anyone would set up with toe out, I sincerely do not hope you are a race mechanic or a race car driver. Most GT style race cars have toe out.

[@blacklisted4209]

i have a full roll cage for sale for the mark 4 ;)

[@petemorbius3936]

i think its the c class w206