Nakhmanson Gambit Refuted? | Answering Viewer Questions

[@CitizenLUL]

Another Nakhmanson video means auto-like. He should devote this entire channel to the Nakhmanson and go as deep into this as nobody ever has before.

[@allanmarks2150]

I agree totally.

[@HenryMcCraken4]

But that isnt fun. This is a hub for agressive chess by a player who isnt a master thus people playing him have a chance

[@Mihael_river]

@@HenryMcCraken4 Even Masters have No Chance against this Gambit (when they dont know the critical lines ...... )Maybe Capablanca is the only exception ;)

[@kurtisvaldez4728]

@@Mihael_river capablanca would trade all pieces and win in the endgame.

[@fcolecumberri]

I would love to see a chess computer tournament where every game is forced to start with Nakhmanson Gambit and then look at the database of that tournament

[@timevans7096]

Sadly I don't think this was in the TCEC opening book but it would be exciting to see!

[@bigblack111]

If that is the case, black is going to win almost 100% with bloody Kf6.

[@beginnerplayschess4263]

Whenever first 6 moves go well , Nakhmanson Gambit is unstoppable, I have shared four Nakhmanson Gambit games learnt from you

[@HiFisch94]

I'm trying to play the Nakhmanson Gambit since like a week every time I'm white. Not a single person ever took the e4 pawn, they all make some bishop move or so..

[@beginnerplayschess4263]

HiFisch94 yeah some people attack the bishop with the pawn and block the arrow to f pawn.. check my channel I have about five Nakhmanson gambit games with different variations, it’s a beginner gaming yet you may find some moves too.

[@aryankumarprasad1574]

@@HiFisch94 Same

[@shanelawson5072]

@@HiFisch94 yep... I haven't played one in 2 weeks... so EVER ! Almost everyone plays Bc5 instead of Nxe4... Yet.... when I didn't know this gambit... Nxe4 was played about 1/2 to 1/3 of the time.

[@carlospuentespinajr.6501]

@@beginnerplayschess4263

[@Dude3275]

Nakhmanson refuted because everyone is to scared to take the gambit *sobbing*

[@allanmarks2150]

Why. Doesn't white still have winning lines if the Nakhmanson gambit is declined.

[@bigblack111]

@@allanmarks2150 Unfortunately black has two or more easier ways to play in declined variations instead of going for bloody Kf6 or Qf6 in accepted variation.

[@ploopybear]

Somehow it always becomes a Max Lange attack for me not complaining

[@marpole8]

@@ploopybear legit always transpose into a Max Lange, Haxo Gambit, or some other Scotch Gambit variant lol

[@kenmendoza6932]

REFUTED is not DECLINED

[@KingCatChess]

Thanks for the videos! Keep being awesome!

[@nate8106]

I love this gambit but i recently seen another video showing a "refutation" declining the gambit with Nd6. I would be very interested to hear some of your thoughts. Your the expert! Keep putting out great videos!

[@akosordog640]

It is really funny how Jonathan is trying to keep this gambit alive! I admit, it could be fun to have something like this on the board, but you know... from objective point of view Kf6 still refutes it, and i don t understand why people aren't playing Kf6 instead of a clear blunder. As mentioned Kf6 scored 0% for white. Crush a dead gambit as a hero instead of lose like a fool!

[@ibrahimjaleel5900]

Excellent analysis. Thank you for sharing

[@ourtube1128]

You should check out the trompovsky Latvian Gambit! It seems very Shrantz-y :-D

[@christophermatthew7635]

I just learnt the Latvian gambit a week ago and applied it to 1300 matches. It's been working well for me. Please share more 🙏

[@scythermantis]

@@christophermatthew7635 I've played the Latvian forever ha ha; it's awesome. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. Nxe5 Nc6 4. Qh4+ g6 5. Nxg6 Nf6 6. Qh3 exf5 7. Nxh8 d5 is fun But 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. Nxe5 Qf6 4. Nc4 b5 (crazy sideline) Or 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. Nxe5 Qe7 if you wanna be old-school And 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. Nxe5 Nf6 if you wanna be a little different and still solid

[@scythermantis]

@@christophermatthew7635 Also one of the most fun lines was from the Hawaiian Clyde Nakamura: after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. exf5 3. ...Bxf2+! 4. Kxf2 Qh4+ 5. Kf3 (or else you win the knight back via a fork) And then 5. ...b5 !? is awesome

[@precz_z_demokracja]

@@scythermantis after 3.ef5 there is no Bxf2+

[@ErlingGrey]

I love watching you and Rosen, my two fav players

[@austino99]

Same! Lol

[@theyoutubeacademic2763]

I think the refutation to the Nakhmanson is the 6. Nxc3 line with a quick d5. After 7. Re1+ Be7 8. bxc3 d5 9. Bb5 0-0 10. cxd4 Bf5, Black is fully developed, up a clear pawn, and there are no complications. Can you look at this and suggest any deviations for white to maintain winning chances?

[@peterflom6878]

Excellent format for a video

[@chessaspire1432]

Jonathon sir as usual you are unstoppable.with love and respect from Kolkata.

[@jeroennouwens9972]

I've been enjoying the Lasker-Pelican variation of the Sicillian for black, which goes approximately: 1.e4 c5, 2.Nf3 Nc6, 3.d4 cxd4, 4.Nxd4 Nf6, 5.Nc3 e5, 6.Ndb5 Bb4! This is actually the second move the Lichess engine gives, and the best continuation according to it is 7.a3, where you'd have to trade the Bishop for the Knight on c3, so you essentially traded the bad bishop for a knight, compared to the main line. However, the main line has 6... d6 to prevent Nd6+, so in most cases online I'll see 7. Nd6+ Ke7! (Threatening to take the Knight) 8.Nf5+ Kf8, and suddenly White needs to think. I'm threatening Nxe4 because of the pin on the Knight, and I'm threatening d5. Most commonly I'll see something like 9. Bd3 d5, 10. exd5 Nxd5,11. 0-0, where the Lichess engine claims the position is valued at about -0.1 after the move Nf4, and at least +1 for everything else. Maybe something interesting to look at.

[@otakuking8625]

I am Having Problems when black goes back with the knight to somewhere or takes my knight with his basically declining the nakhmanson

[@Blitzkreig261]

I wanted to like this 10 times just for the Old detective look :D

[@seanbrown4920]

Finally got a Nakhmanson today. Remembered the theory 11 moves in and still almost lost. So fun.

[@sakkeus2yt]

Just saw that a player highlighted in the database, Pranesh M, played this opening the next day you published the first ever video on the Nakhmanson gambit.

[@Siriah]

Very cool to see your process of analyzing an opening line. I didn't know about that trick to show the threat. The Nakhmanson Gambit is so much fun to watch so I'm glad to see there's still a lot of crazyness left to discover in it!

[@JeremyLaw]

After a bit of analysis, I think black has another much easier option to spoil white's fun: 6... Nd6. It looks unnatural, but it It defuses white's main tricks and makes things really easy to play for black. The knight is off the e file (so no pin), f7 is defended, and now white has to spend time saving the hanging pieces. It seems like Black just gets to play Nxc4, Be7, O-O, d5 and be completely fine, and probably a pawn up.

[@black_squall]

Love the cosplay tidbits. Reminds me of your Halloween gambit video.

[@Hasan...]

John, you kept a reminder you didn't analyse.. why not Ne5 instead of B4 ? Ne5 forks the queen and Knight so you trade knights and continue the intended attack?

[@siddharthb2633]

You are becoming my favourite chess youtuber

[@LeventK]

Gambit: *Exists* This guy: Hey i already played it! (No matter true or false:))

[@avo_k]

"this guy"... I mean.. his channel literally is his name

[@Chris-cs7nv]

You may do future videos on it... One for Kf6 which seems to refute the gambit, one on knight takes on c3 instead of the pawn taking and one on knight d6 going for a double attack on the bishop and the knight. It can be hard to do the one on Kf6 because after people learn about the refutation it wont work any more and you seem to really like playing it(it's such a great opening to play... If they know Kf6 unless they know the refutation from there you can still win and if they don't they will play Ke8 and then the position is probably a draw with perfect play but it is going to be impossible to play correctly for a human and it's so hard for black. )

[@exoplanet11]

0:50 Did he say "Death nail?" That's funny. As in "nail in the coffin". Perhaps he said knell.

[@timbailey7646]

does b4 still stand up for you Jonathan? Looks great to me!

[@michaelhall1422]

One program played Ne7 to interpose Qe4+ (in the Qf6 line)

[@gmcemilcanchess6399]

I don't think there is a "refutation" of the Nakhmanson Gambit but yes there are ways black can get a decent position if they know a few moves. Just like I posted in my channel :) Very nice video Jonathan, enjoying the Nakhmanson Gambit as a GM as well :)

[@nayananaik9984]

Bro keep making videos on tricks and traps

[@vinayvekaria3400]

Did you channel triple in size overnight or am I dreaming?

[@Aragorn.Strider]

18:28 after 12.b4 my human response would be to play 12...a6 stopping 13.b5

[@zexisak4085]

6...Nxc3, your move Jonathan

[@beena2730]

I played this to stockfish 10... and it also played Qf6

[@rocker1260]

6.Nd6 refutes the Nakhmanson imo. Leads to positions with a clean pawn up for black and you don't get any complications.

[@garrywarne1]

As does 6... Nxc3. It's a fun, trappy line for blitz. But objectively it's trash.

[@chessandmathguy]

@@garrywarne1 correct. It's a fun line for blitz and coffee house chess, but for serious players trying to improve and go for IM and GM titles in their career, they're studying real openings, and this one is trash.

[@sebastionlucas5217]

I got it, when you offer the Knight I just move my Knight on e4 to d6 which attacks your Bishop and protects the Kings checks which then I can be safe and get a longer chance to move my bits out,,,,,

[@shauncronwright5789]

When are you going to post part 3 of your French series? I'm busy getting my butt kicked in the advanced french.

[@duanethompson2360]

After knight to C3, knight to D6 is the refuting move!

[@vladpetre5674]

Amazing video, seems the critical resource to find in all variations in b4 for white, but psychologically as white i don't want to play that, I want to keep attacking! I guess my 11. Rxe4 was a mistake which lead to black having clear winning chances. Visually that move looks amazing: white has 4 pieces in the attack, plus the other rook coming and black has basically the king keeping everything together (after 11. ...Be7). Turns out Qxe4 + b4 are the moves for white and I agree with you if those 2 are played white's gonna have all the fun and black needs to be Karjakin "minister of defense" level to survive

[@vedicscientist2284]

which software did you use for chess data in this video?

[@justpassing5324]

Someone should make a site for all the openings, like the Jerome Gambit guy.

[@joshuahunter2825]

Mister Rogers with that sweater

[@Timmytwoteas]

Posted literally 20 minutes ago! Interested to see your thoughts: "Refuting Chess Gambit - 1 (Nakhmanson Gambit)" kzbin.info/www/bejne/boObmWOOip2HY5o

[@victordeluca7360]

Nakhmanson Gambit looks more and more like alien chess the longer you analyse it

[@johskorn]

What is the name of the software used to analyse?

[@naukan]

What program is that? I need it!

[@mikehunt6511]

Chess base he says it in the video

[@leonardosouza9249]

I think the best moves against Nc3 are Nd6 or Nxc3

[@JS-tm1gq]

im still scared to try this

[@mohamadharith9872]

anyway i love ur channel i watch ur video since the shcolastic chess vid and i love how u talk how u calculate how share ur knowledge ....thanks very much i learnt a lot from u and u are my teacher from cyber wolrd

[@Spieleder1992]

First questions in the endgame after blak saquafrize his queen it shoud be better for white because the queen an rook a far supurior pieces with the blak king in the center. And why not take with the the knight with the rook instad of the queen here?

[@esflores5249]

I played Nakhmanson once. My opponent abused me on chat before 1st move, then I won and his rage started. He got banned instantly probably because of H-surname on chat. That was really satisfying.

[@davitbejanishvili4622]

What if after nc3 black plays be7 and if nxe4 than d5?

[@bigblack111]

Good idea, then it should equalise everything. White can try Bxf7+ followed by Nxe4 while black will castle artificially with Rf8 and Kg8. However, the knight bait can hardly be rejected since it looks so tempting to capture the knight on c3.

[@hexapunk4767]

What if i forget my move in the middle of the gambit

[@allisonjacobs3457]

*BOOM* Now you make a blunder, pray you win and you can now call it your own Gambit. Win - Win.

[@vijayv7177]

Guys do check out all videos of gj chess! He has a series called dirty chess tricks from which u can completely dominate in the opening!

[@wesamzaibak4517]

Thank you so much for the video, another variation I got recently is after Bg5, Ncb4. Then my whole attack just crashed

[@bigblack111]

May I know what is the move number when Nb4 is played?

[@wesamzaibak4517]

@@bigblack111 look at vedio time 16:24, black goes Ncb4

[@bigblack111]

@@wesamzaibak4517 Oh, in that case, Rxe4+ followed by Rxb4 should be winning for white. Black has no time to recapture as black queen is still under attack. Or might be even better, white can play Qxe4+ and black needs to deal with both threats with Qe6. Then white can play Qf5 to win.

[@GT-cb9of]

What about 6 ... Nd6 ! Refutation ?

[@YourMakingMeNervous]

Hi Jonathan, could you tell me what program you are using here?

[@JonathanSchrantz]

ChessBase 14

[@kingstonefoloti9311]

What if on move 6 black takes with a knight on c3 what would be the best move for white hahaha do your best to finish black more than 20moves

[@centrelink6003]

Please invite The 1998 Missouri scholastic state champion onto your stream please

[@anonymoushippo5415]

After Nc3, black should decline with Nd6

[@JoeBruin96]

I tried the Nakhmanson Gambit for the first time today and they played d5 instead of dxc6 and I lost

[@joshuahunter2825]

I did this gambit on chess.com aginst a 2100. Very enjoyable

[@timothyzc]

What about when Qf7, Bxe7, Qxe7 Qxe7+ ?? is that mate

[@timothyzc]

@Yukan Perumal understood

[@alessiodimatteo1042]

what is your fide? are you a gm

[@Hazen87]

What about en pessant

[@josephallenraj9388]

now nakhmanson gambit is very very scary how will we play with black

[@hari8568]

Look at Nd6 after initial Nc3 sacrifice

[@ProgresistTaliban]

6. ...Nd6!?

[@mobbymobb5491]

You should have min of 100k subscribers

[@ericbhatnagar2873]

How do you guys manage to pull off this gambit so much??? They never take the 2nd free pawn at 1500

[@tob564]

Weaker players are quite often afraid to accept gambits they are not familiar with. Nahkmanson being a rather unpopular gambit mean few 1500 players have ever studied it.

[@clintongryke6887]

One simple-chess-being likes this.

[@samuelzhao3502]

Nxc3 is simply better for black, it is what stockfish plays, and after a few moves it is just a normal position with white having a bad pawn structure.

[@aprendaescaleta]

Nakhamson lives. Blurp

[@ganeshankrishnamurthy6317]

Give me first 12 to 15 moves, black or white, to beat stockfish 10

[@mohamadharith9872]

at minute 20 try play Bd8

[@precz_z_demokracja]

LOL .. Kf6! is the refutation..

[@DarkSkay]

Many unclear positions arising from this gambit. Some lines that look playable after superficial analysis might turn out to be decisive when examined more deeply.

[@cliffsteel01]

After moves b4, why wouldn't black take the pawn en passant? It nullifies the threat, attacks the A file rook, and threatens pawn promotion.

[@bigpapamanman1550]

You can't capture en passant, the black pawn is on a different row

[@jeremycraft2445]

The en passant only occurs when the capturing pawn is on the 4th or 5th rank. At c3 the black pawn is already too far advanced to capture via en passant. (Basically en passant was added when the 2 square initial pawn move was added to chess).

[@ericvos620]

I played against 1600s on lichess who can find these moves, no problem at all

[@AlTrianovitz]

1600s on lichess > 2200s OTB

[@GLu-tb1pb]

how to Refute Nakhmanson Gambit: E4 C5 that's it. Just play the sicillian.

[@gajendrajoshi4326]

Bro, kf6 is totally wrong white will move bg5+ and the sweety is gone (queen).

[@SuprovatBhattacharjee]

Wow

[@jeffersonthomas1269]

The "A" word is NEVER needed. Actually. I avoid the use of it comp-letely. Here Johnathon actually employs the extra word at actual times. Actually one can understand the sentence without actually saying actually, actually never. Actually.

[@deanarond5264]

In your own database, 6...dxc3 is only played 12 times out of 57 games. In my database, 6...dxc3 is only played 5 times out of 38 games. In the real World, what's the point of playing for something that rarely actually happens?

[@bigblack111]

Dragging them out of book theories can increase your chance of winning easily. Even GMs who are not prepared can get smashed by other GMs easily with the help of new theories. Nevertheless, Nakhmanson gambit can be a surprise weapon for bullet and blitz only. It is not suitable for classical or rapid tournament plays.

[@BigDaddyWes]

When you're talking about 50 known games or less, you're already in "rarely actually happens" territory. The idea is hardly anyone plays/knows/is prepared to play against this BECAUSE it's so rare. Compare this to something like the Queen's gambit where there's tens of thousands of games on record for dozens of different variations. In the real world, why would you want to play the most popular moves that everyone has studied for literally centuries? Everyone is prepared and knows how to counter the top lines. What purpose do you think a database serves? If it's so you can copy the most played and well known lines, idk what to tell you.

[@franshendrix1404]

I akways face Bb4+ by black

[@voloband105]

Instead of b4 , knight e5 and xb2 is a fun move

[@milankotevski1663]

Too much chess energy wasted on easily refutable opening line.

[@michaelvanzyl9418]

Why make all your fans go after refuting irrelevant gambits. Try making them go after something popular

[@TanerAybar]

All popular openings have been analysed extensively, but this is relatively new

[@bigblack111]

@@TanerAybar Yup, this trick can throw off even titled players who are new to this gambit, although not IM or GM levels as they have great intuitive understanding on initiatives and piece developments, which most gambits rely on. They will most likely know when to stop taking materials.