NAMM '19 - Marshall Studio Classic (JCM800 2203) and Studio Vintage (JMP 1959SLP) Demos

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Stopped by Friday and was impressed with the 2 new Studio amps! Steve from Marshall was very gracious to talk. He took the time to speak and play the Studio Vintage. A CRUNCH FAT sound. Loved it! Thanks Steve and Marshall!

[@chainsawomega7451]

Having played both of them, and owning their older, bigger brothers, these are the real deal. Price point in US is debatable, but worth every penny for $1300. There are obviously people that do high quality Marshall clones for this price, but being able to hear a legit plexi at usable volume in incredible.

[@bigleemac]

They sound fckin great!

[@vidsforsquids]

Authentic Marshall tone - love it!!

[@scottsoltani8389]

Love the new 800 and slp, glad you kept the jubilee too!

[@GigaGrandpaYT]

Even at high volume I keep my presence and EQ under 5 on my 1999 Marshall, this guy is great awesome demo

[@snapascrew]

Jewel the Sapphire a lot of Marshall players crank their treble and presence for unknown reasons lol. Glad to hear your ears aren’t broken.

[@--.Rick..--]

Proper and Righteous are what I shall name mine!

[@bingefeller]

The JCM800 sounds amazing!

[@wheresallthezombies]

They sound good. That mini plexi is really cool though.

[@SpaceCatKungFu]

Can't believe the combo is 1400 with a 10in speaker

[@4572dk]

Ridiculous. 999 quid in the UK with the 10 inch. I know its UK made but it seems to me the a DSL20 head with a good speaker with a tubescreamer is a way better option.

[@jnh73]

Yeah, the amp market is getting out of control. I gave a pass to the boutique guys, but Marshall et al are huge brands and in theory can afford to keep prices somewhat reasonable.

[@SpaceCatKungFu]

@Linus You can get a 1x12 cab, but they couldn't make a combo sound good with a 12in? 🤔

[@supermel9]

@@SpaceCatKungFu I think he meant the type of 10 inch speaker, its a cheap v-type, people choose it as the best sounding they said, They should had put in a 12 inch for sure.

[@xWILZTAx]

Every combo should always be 12"

[@lordsoup4287]

the SLP1959 is very interesting, imagine playing a normal 1959SLP without an attenuator

[@fearnpol4938]

Lord Soup only way I did it for years as I couldn’t afford an attenuator, I did learn how to control my overdrive from my volume tho’. I recently had my hearing checked and was told it was as good as a teenagers, I’m 49. Christ only knows how I’ve still got hearing!

[@lordsoup4287]

@@fearnpol4938 that's very remarkable!

[@fearnpol4938]

Lord Soup believe me I’m amazed myself. 🥴🥴

[@poulwinther]

@@fearnpol4938 Lucky you! It's not so much about losing the hearing but as that constant 90dB 2kHz

[@regortex3364]

I do it all the time, it’s an amp that sounds great at lower volumes, doesn’t have to be painfully loud to get a great tone.

[@gr328]

They're made in the UK (not China or Mexico) hence higher the price.

[@snapascrew]

G R honestly people bitching about the price totally aren’t understanding what this amp is. It IS a 2203 with lower wattage. Anyone who thinks it needs to be cheaper is entitled. This is an amazing product. The classic pre 1985 jcm 800 tone without getting the cops called on you.

[@MisterTee]

These sound reasonably good

[@HiHello-ku1fl]

I think they sound like the real deal. I'm into these smaller vertical 2x12 rigs. I have been playing both a tiny terror and OR15 through a 1968 vertical Orange cab w/old g12m speakers. Killer tones! I got the lil Orange heads used so very inexpensive. Now these 20 watt Marshall's got my attention so I will be checking them out for sure. Cool they run on EL34's and are 20 loud watts. Did anyone else notice how loud the ORIGIN series are? For me Marshalls have the sound I prefer. I'd like to get one of each of these.

[@lookingjust987654321]

used to have a 2550 and the triode / pentode for high low isnt good, totally changes the tone.

[@81giorikas]

Kevin British Bacon works for marshall now!

[@MrStephenlederle]

I'd love to be able to get both stacks and run them in stereo.

[@TheyreStillOutThere]

You can get a legit original JCM800 50 watt head or combo (with a 12 inch speaker) for well under 1500. These are cool amps, but I don't really understand the value proposition.

[@NickMass35]

Less wattage. Smaller size. Brand new.

[@TheyreStillOutThere]

@@NickMass35 True, the smaller sizes are nice. Although master volume on a vintage 50 watt amp helps keep volumes reasonable, and being brand new isn't a selling point for me personally. I'll buy a serviced vintage silverface Fender or a serviced vintage JCM800 long before I'd buy new reissues at the same price point. I'm not a vintage amp snob, I just like cool old junk and like the idea of keeping an old workhorse in service. The solid resale values are nice, too.

[@GigaGrandpaYT]

@@TheyreStillOutThere Thats the way, you rock!

[@mogwix]

It depends. In Canada I can't find an original un-modded 800 for < $2500 CAD. I'm pretty excited about a 20W JCM800 or JMP that I can buy brand new and was built in the UK. The prices are steep though. I'll wait to see what the prices are like up here, but I'll definitely be checking them out.

[@poulwinther]

I think you really missed the point - unlike the Marshall group in this case. 30 years ago the driver was wannabe rock stars playing in a gazillion bands. Today the driver is bedroom/home studio players and the new format will be a goldmine for Marshall. The master volume is fine...... unless you want to maintain that sweet singing tone.

[@StratMatt777]

So... $241 more will get you a soldano astroverb head. If you like JCM800-like crunch (or better) and a smooth lead tone without fuzz and grit on single-notes I recommend it. And you don't have to crank the power section to get a good sound on a soldano. You can play at whisper volumes with people asleep in your house. Same tone!

[@erikvaldur3334]

StratMatt777. that is a great amp. I had a 2. 12 combo with 15 watt weber blue dog alnico speakers. that amp sounded great but the Marshalls have just a little something special. I had a few Soldano amps, Reinhardt 18, many others but always went for my JMP 50 watt lead bass. It might even be imperfections that I missed but I always just missed something when playin the Astro or others. just my opinion. I do wish I still had that Astroverb though. It just didn't have enough clean headroom to play with my band at the time. I needed clean and dirty. It was almost there but I couldn't get the volume over 3 at all or it broke up.

[@StratMatt777]

@@erikvaldur3334 said "but the Marshalls have just a little something special. I had a few Soldano amps, Reinhardt 18, many others but always went for my JMP 50 watt lead bass...." After Mike Soldano told me that they bias their power tubes as cold as possible for accurate sound reproduction I warmed up my bias just a bit. This was probably 15 years ago... I think I was trying to get "something" more out of it and I think the result was the completely smooth gritless lead tone I have even with the gain at 9 or 11. I think. That was a long time ago! I have never been impressed with the handful of astroverbs I tried (years ago) when a music store would have a used one. I don't know if it is the Eminence speaker or my warmer bias or my preamp or power tubes, but they always sound like grit machines to me. I can tell you that the 1x12 combo cab has an unpleasant boxy sound to it at bedroom volumes (I've got a G12H30 in mine). At home I always run through my 2x12 with a Vintage 30 and a Warehouse Guitar Speaker Retro 30. "It just didn't have enough clean headroom to play with my band at the time. I needed clean and dirty. It was almost there but I couldn't get the volume over 3 at all or it broke up." Yeah, my clean channel is a Fender Blues Jr.! But, actually, several years ago I was regularly playing my astroverb with a band in a small church and in a movie theater they leased... I was using the 1x12 combo with the G12H30 and running the master around 8.5 and the preamp probably around 7.5 or 7.0 with a Strat with a humbucker in the bridge. Playing chords with the humbucker I was getting significant good sounding heavy distortion, but I also got a pretty good clean tone by switching to my neck single coil (which was a Dimarzio HS-3- a very low output hum cancelling pickup) and picking lightly. Thinking back on it, I'm kind of amazed that I got such a clean tone out of it! soldanos are known for cleaning up in response to picking dynamics or volume very well. Is a JMP50 an old 1960s era amp? Would you say that Marshalls are "spongier" (more dynamic?) than soldanos because they are actually compressing the power tubes, wheras soldano's are designed for the power section to not alter the preamp's tone?

[@erikvaldur3334]

StratMatt777 mine is a 1977 JMP. much different than the 60s Marshalls. I might say it is a bit spongier than the Soldanos I have had. the notes seem to pop a little more with my/ the Marshalls to me. The Soldanos sound great but seem just a bit flat, less lively to play. really just splitting hairs here as it's not that pronounced a difference to me but it is there to my ear,feel.

[@spada60]

whats ur point?

[@StratMatt777]

@@spada60 The point is that these single-channel amps are overpriced. Spending in excess of $1,200 on an automated assembly-line amp and not getting a second channel is pretty odd. This is a marketing ploy based on the mystique of the JCM800, which wasn't even considered to be a "holy grail" amp in the 1980s when it was the current Marshall amp. If people like these amps because they have the sound that they are going for, then they should absolutely buy them and enjoy them!

[@scottmiller4789]

You can get a hand built point to point 50 watt replica from mojotone for $1399. Add a PPIMV and boom

[@ArielsSmartyPants]

I want my amp made the old way, in England, and if they really have to get this kind of money for them I can live with it. I do think the heads should be closer to $1000 but I'm not the numbers guy for Marshall :)

[@poulwinther]

They are under €1.000 this side of the pond. Stuff like Mesa and Axe FX are outrageous on the other hand.

[@MatchBookNotes]

Still cheaper/on par with chinese orange in canada

[@RiotHomeRecording]

I own multiple originals of both these amps JMP and 800’s neither sound like the originals in this video. It could just be what they mic’d them with. Can’t really judge off a KZbin videos.

[@sowhat5150]

I’d be interested if they built a JTM45 version.

[@robcobi]

JTM45 is already only 30 watts, although the 5 watt option would be nice.

[@dcaudio1]

oh and make the volume knob go to 11....done!

[@gordontubbs]

Don't worry kids, some bedroom rockstar dad with too much money is going to pay for one of these, realize he's not in love with it, and then dump it on Craigslist or Reverb a few months later for a few hundred or so less dollars...

[@xbreathingisirrelevantx]

Exactly. Ill gladly wait 6 months for someone to list either one for 750-800

[@tr3ndkiller]

Everyone is a bedroom rockstar these days dude 😃

[@calvinaustin81]

I'm a bedroom rockstar with not necessarily too much money but crazy enough to buy it. But I ain't selling it.

[@gordontubbs]

@@circusbrains Thanks. When you're paycheck-to-paycheck, and the rig of your dreams costs a paycheck (or two, or three), the struggle gets real, real quick. lol

[@zacsweeney5534]

@@gordontubbs This is true. And when you have a kid too the idea feels so irresponsible that it stays a dream. Maybe one day.

[@markgabriel5797]

Sweet Guitar fo sho!

[@rocker8692]

I like Wizard amps

[@TS-wp3wt]

Not really sure why they did a combo 800 with a 10 inch speaker but the jubilee they put a 12 inch speaker...

[@mitchellferre1652]

I think Marshall should use Doug Rappaport or Jimmy Burkard to do these demos. These little amps are super cool !

[@spada60]

why are they so special?

[@dcaudio1]

How can Marshall put a 10" speaker in the combo...the public will tell them 12" inside of an hour of release...stupid really. Put a Celestion g1275-75 in a combo and boom now you have the same sound....

[@alanwake7143]

Not sure if it’s intentional, but the Interviewer seems to make everyone he speaks to slightly uncomfortable. He seems to “grind” through the questions like, “Ok, now I’ve gotta ask you this, *sigh”. Probably not my problem or business, but an amp showcase shouldn’t induce cringe.

[@JBAubry]

Anyone knows which boost pedal he was using?

[@Kerogas_]

4:00 What is this tiny wire for?

[@GIGeorge23]

It's to jump the channels together for more gain.

[@Gibson1976uk]

To be honest, I own the SJ combo and love it!! I notice they have dropped in price a bit, isn't that a better deal :) these amps are not night and day :) both are great but maybe go with the better price would be a good idea :) I'm hearing the 800 comes with a 10 inch speaker?? really??? sod that!!! you get a nice 12 inch greenback with the SJ!!! :) and before any experts bash the Greenbacks! which I have seen comments here and there! go tell Angus Young they suck! because he likes them :)

[@gab.lab.martins]

What about the Jubilee?! Also, I really wish they had made a JCM2000 and/or a JVM version. I love my JVM, but it’s hard to use it every day, because neighbours. Having a 20W, 2-channel version of the JVM would make the perfect practice amp. Between the 6 modes, you could have clean, crunch, rhythm and lead sounds without the need for a boost. And 20W lowerable (is that a word?) to 5W would mean I could use it at midnight without having the police knocking on my door.

[@alankotler9971]

Yep that would be great however the Vintage Marshall are much more sought after and that's why they did it. Maybe in the future they will do the newer ones. I never get to play my JCM 2000 anymore I use my DSL 15 most of the time and it's still too loud. 3

[@gab.lab.martins]

@@alankotler9971 I hear you. I call my JVM "the monster", because it growls, and because I usuallyplay it with the Master on 0.5

[@user-si4vh9qu7m]

Musicman guitar model?

[@54tristin]

Do these amps have point to to point or circuit boards?

[@jc.1191]

I've heard circuit boards. I'd buy a fan and let it keep the back cool if so.

[@MrJohnboy301]

But they don't go to 11...

[@tochiromifune419]

Good crunch sounds but no clean?

[@charlespatrick8650]

I'm sure my condo neighbors really want me to buy one of those, would prob take about a day to get a nasty letter from the condo association

[@csmith29581]

One whole day is better than 2 minutes with the full sized versions. Especially the 1959SLP.

[@vincebarma3739]

Just get the EHX MIG50 stack

[@54tristin]

No I can And if you could read so could you!

[@matthewgrimm5383]

No clean sound on 800?

[@erickchba2]

UK people: is that brummie accent?

[@06szymonszymanski]

They are overpriced in US not in EU

[@adama4791]

If you check prices it is 849 pounds or 999 euros making for a roughly $150 difference, is it more expensive and in a material way, yes, can you haggle down the price a little bit probably, in any case distributing an amp to the US is probably not the easiest thing and I would imagine represents a good bit of their costs on this

[@clutchmasters3402]

Great amps, terrible price

[@thomasradcliffe6129]

I’ll tell ya for what’s it’s worth. Where do you go with an act like that? Tone to die for in the early 70’s 50 years gone by, dudes in their 60’s are saying Hell Yeah!!

[@TheDogPa]

Nobody in their 60's can hear so 50 watts is useless to us...just saying. Anyway, we already have many actual decent amps.

[@Michael-im5fl]

I bet they sound good cranked. They, like most tube amps these days, are way too expensive, tho.

[@cgavin1]

Overpriced .. with cheap transformers and tubes mounted on PCBs..

[@Michael-im5fl]

@@cgavin1 for that price you should at least get decent components.

[@xWILZTAx]

Payed £150 new for a dls1hr and it sounds amazing through the right cab and speaker combo.

[@kindakool2529]

xWILZTAx yea.i agree those dsl amps are amazing with a speaker upgrade , I have one and have tried only 4 speakers in it but they all sounded much better than the stock speaker.

[@kindakool2529]

wozzlepop ikr, that much and it's not handwired.

[@MrOzgooner]

The combo should of come with a 12'" speaker...Another screw up by Marshall

[@alexpeters9403]

I don't get it why combos with

[@tomasagustinveravicentin7789]

@@alexpeters9403 for bass players lol

[@2368CHRIS]

Knock off 900 bucks and the bright cap

[@marshall881]

Treble at 10 o’clock and it still sounds like ice picks? Pass

[@marshall881]

spada60 you showed me 🥴

[@dcaudio1]

The sad part is this amp cost zero more than the origin to build...besides the fact an englishman built it...not a chinese person.

[@kindakool2529]

dcaudio1 yep it would be different it it was a high end amp with quality components , but you gotta love big corporations.

[@TheDogPa]

If it has a circuit board in it you can have it...I have enough real amps to last 3 lifetimes. YAWN...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ I Wonder how many revisions this board will get before they stop getting warrantee requests...in true Marshall fashion...LMFAO!

[@TheDogPa]

@@circusbrains What was it...12 or 13 revisions on the 2204 before they got it right? They make junk...always have. How making 100 amps where 10 worked makes them great I'm still at a loss...LMFAO. You obviously never tried a new one in the 70's...or I guess never tried a 100 watt real stack. Marshall sucked so bad they single-handedly created the boutique industry. If you only had half a clue...

[@54tristin]

1499 I can build anyone of them pnp for 500

[@spada60]

Then go frikin build it problem is u cant

[@veerchasm1]

Quit shrinking amps, it looks stupid. I think manufacturers are thrilled to make consumers pay the same for smaller gear

[@MatchBookNotes]

Some of us want smaller/lighter lower watt

[@spada60]

you say that because ur brain has shrunk making u make stupid comments. Sorry but not everyone has a pea brain like yours

[@MofosRealReviews]

Marshall is overpriced garbage and it has been for a longggg time

[@ralphshaw9758]

I concur.