Naoya Zenin is JJK's Most Underrated Villain...

[@ironnancy]

Sukuna vs Naoya, who'd you wanna see defeated more while reading the series?

[@RealJavierEscuella]

They’re both… yeah… oh yeah they’re both alive

[@grimmtherapist]

@@ironnancy Love them both and didn't wanna see any of them losing. In fact, I was cheering for Sukuna to kill Maki and finish Naoya wish

[@burgercook1741]

I feel bad for Naoya in a way. He was spoiled rotten due to his technique, but also isolated from the outside world. Being stuck in an echo chamber like that meant he was doomed to be unimportant. Sure he had one of the better techniques as well as the best physical training, but his mind was set to be in stone. Unchanging. A sorcerer's strength comes directly from their mindset. If a sorcerer's mind is stagnant then they do not reach their full potential. I like to imagine what Naoya could've been if he had the opportunity like Megumi to grow up outside the Zenin. Had he had that chance he could've been strong. He would've had the liberty to think for himself and not be indoctrinated. He could've made a difference. Hell, now that I think about it, he could've left the Zenin. His very idol Toji did. And because Toji was abused by his clan he had to become powerful. Had Naoya broke off from the clan and tried to forge his own path he would've become more than he was. But no. He wanted the power of the Zenin to fall into his lap. He didn't actually want to earn it, because he thought that his mere existence was enough to be worthy of it. At least the spoiled child part of him does. As you stated, he knows he isn't as important and or strong. He's just using the title as the Leader of the Zenin to try to put himself on Gojo and Toji's level.

[@thatguy6482]

Exactly he was definitely limited by mindset. His technique is a great example of this, we know the same techniques can change with the era their in like shrine. And one that is literally moving based on FPS should have received a massive upgrade instead of 24 he should be able to make 30, 60 or even more movements in a second but he sticks to the same as his father's probably because he just went along with his mindset about how a higher framerate isn't true animation and yada yada.

[@AnonTDegenerate]

@@thatguy6482 he's also extremely hypocritical. He does dislike Toji, but goes on to glaze him. When he meets someone stronger, he hates them most of the time. Also he's 28. He does kinda look similair in age to Maki n all, but he's the same age as Gojo. He's less a brat, formative years be damned, he had plenty of chances.

[@jezebulls]

Naoya had the coolest character design when he came back as a vengeful spirit.

[@EdenHamilton]

To be fair the main reason he was so high in the vote was because some people voted for him hundreds of times as a joke.

[@Hidden1000]

source?

[@EdenHamilton]

@@Hidden1000 I can't remember exactly where I saw it, but the way the voting works is through buying copies of the volumes. So one person can vote multiple times and I remember seeing that a few people were buying hundreds of copies of volumes and mass voting their favourite characters. One person even bought like 300 copies just to vote Naoya 300 times.

[@reidking5669]

@@EdenHamiltonso todo with 600 something votes didn’t have a crazed fan to buy hundreds of either? Not saying it’s not plausible that what you’re saying happened but couldn’t have made that much of difference right?

[@AnonTDegenerate]

also apparently he's very popular overseas, mostly with women I've heard. Fuck that tho, he mean to Maki

[@Azeral7]

Jjk fans are cringe

[@BaggyBitesGames]

I thought I was the only one who say the Naoya GREATNESS, Gege dropped the ball, he coulda had another S Tier side villain, gave him awesome setup and sad payoffs.

[@skyrogue1977]

I’m curious how Todo is so low and Inumaki is that high.

[@Beam67]

dude was simply raw asf😭

[@bodysnappin2741]

after 269 the real best villain may be mei mei lol

[@macavoy4096]

jjk part 2 coming

[@Nsnsms1]

Jjk light novel 😱

[@redviper57]

She didn't do anything bad in the chapter? She legit killed the person that was the head of the clan preventing new shadow style from being taught which made kusakabe able to teach it to other people because he became the new head. Jjk fans try to read the chapter challenge (impossible)

[@Nsnsms1]

@@redviper57 I mean you act like jjk fans can’t read when you couldn’t read the comment when the comment clearly says may which is another word for “might”

[@redviper57]

@@Nsnsms1 he said "after 269" which implies they're referring to the moment Mei Mei killed the head. You would have had a point if they didnt specify the chapter or used a chapter where she'd be seen as a bad guy. Mei Mei did nothing villainous in the current chapter they are referring to.

[@Gyhsjgj]

He was one of the few people who knew the truth

[@geoghoul]

that being?

[@dummyxeroz9686]

FINALLY NAOYA ZENIN HAS BEEN NOTICED! it sucks that he didn't really win any of the manga panels. despite he never really won any battles, he is a cool ass character ngl

[@daltoniospizza9175]

Curses are so interesting to this story, and it kinda shows your bias just skipping over the part when naoya turns into one. Jujutsu Society is nowhere near as interesting as how curses think and function within the world of jujutsu

[@ironnancy]

I’m not biased against curses. I said when he turns into a curse. It doesn’t necessarily add any new elements to his character. Obviously from the perspective of the physical he’s different. But he’s still Naoya at the end of the day. He didn’t change when he became a cursed spirit. Which is kinda the whole point of his character.

[@Yuckie-d3d]

Yeah, underrated for a reason ☠️

[@RealJavierEscuella]

I love Naoya

[@j3nna3]

Same

[@grimmtherapist]

Mysoginistic villains are the best

[@MichaelMcDoesntExist]

@@grimmtherapist 🤨

[@AnonTDegenerate]

@@grimmtherapist nnoitora is hype ngl. But that's because he stands on business, Naoya is a grub

[@grimmtherapist]

@@AnonTDegenerate Nnoitra fought some random side characters, Naoya fought the female protagonist on her female arc

[@CTeaEdits]

The popularity polls was botted, that is why he got so many votes. Someone gave Naoya 3000 votes on his own on another one.

[@KiffKan]

The votes werent legit tho like one fan girl on her own gave him like 7k votes if i remember it right

[@daltoniospizza9175]

I don't know how he got put higher than Mahito. Way less compelling of a villain.

[@izzymosley1970]

I think it's interesting how the portrayal of naoya makes him look more pathetic than he actually is. Because isn't naoya a grade one sorcerer? And if I'm remembering correctly grade 1 is the best grade behind special grade itself I'm pretty sure most sorcerers in jjk as a setting will probably live and die not reaching grade 1. So even though naoya wasn't too important in grand scheme of things he is still Leagues stronger than the average sorcerer. Even before he became a curse.

[@lordtt3984]

I'm pretty sure the Jp fanbase loves him cause he's a reference or something

[@klbeast1996]

I agree he's underrated BUT better than both mahito and kenjaku is a reach. 🤔 Actually, never mind he's better than kenjaku.

[@swordigo]

absolutely not 💀💀💀

[@Somecoolguy10-q4q]

What about sukuna?

[@BenDonnie-cp2no]

Jjk villains: a racist, an anarchist, a sadist and a sexist

[@SMAKERDAKER]

Naoya was a JJK jobber with one of the most busted Curse Technique and domain expansion

[@ironnancy]

Jobber is kinda crazy but I get what you mean in saying that.

[@helljoes]

jobbing to toji incarnate is pretty much everybody but gojo and sukuna/EOS yuji tho

[@maD-bp4dg]

Didn't someone put like 20 000 votes for him or something?

[@disappointedfather5119]

Naoya can’t be the best villain, because he isn’t a villain. He’s a hero, smh

[@Limenologica]

I can't even tell if that's bait or mental retardation

[@ch4rt3uz3]

Urame: ... Naoya: 2nd Most Underrated Villain Geto: 3rd Most Underrated Villain

[@Nsnsms1]

Naoya is still 13 steps ahead of maki

[@JayBeenCrippin]

Naoya is literally right

[@ironnancy]

Wym? 🤨

[@hyusi2214]

he is just gege self insert

[@kirbertmott]

I just like him cuz he is sexist

[@ironnancy]

😭😭

[@geoghoul]

@@ironnancybro you thought everyone liked him bc hes well written representation of the scum that is the zenin clan but in reality its just incels flocking to their idol

[@fireguy-id7ky]

How are you gonna call the top 5 in popularity underrated

[@ironnancy]

He may be popular in Japan, but he’s rarely talked about online in comparison to Kenjaku, Mahito, and Sukuna. Or by the masses. Since, the pull of people for the poll is not even 1/16th the total amount of jjk fans.

[@muirick9924]

Funny ah character. Its bc he came back as a curse lol

[@helljoes]

projection sorcery is just super cool not gonna lie, same reason I like toji I like naoya, enjoyable fights on screen/panels and cool character design if he was a fat whiny short dude I would dislike him, same as toji

[@dclassthaumiel]

i always saw Naoya’s appeal as being the typical Bad Boy archetype. like you know how pathetic and how much of a piece of shit they really are, but the fact its not masked kinda pulls you in a bit

[@mertyil_]

I think the major factor is Japan being weird. I feel that Japanese audiences prefer design over character, which makes perfect sense since Naoya is an actual degenerate who lusts for his cousins. If he wasn’t drawn attractively, similarly to Gojo, he’d be a lot more despised by the readers. For instance, in one of Bleach‘s popularity poll, Momo is at 6 despite being an absolute nothing character purely because of her cute appearance (instance of Japan just being weird) It’s interesting too that Todo and Hakari, two very masculine characters, are at the very bottom of the poll, which I think again plays into the Japanese audience’s bias. Toji here at 10 would DEFINITELY be at least Top 3 in an international ranking, he’s an actual icon within Gym culture and even people who haven’t watched JJK adore him. He has that kinda status. Basically, Japan is "different" and prefers more feminine characters (and children 🗿)

[@BenDonnie-cp2no]

Jjk villains: a racist, an anarchist, a sadist and a sexist