Narrated D&D Story: Cleric Wants To Axe My Warforged Fighter Cause “Its Robot & Its Against Rules”

[@theogerbdsioneyeen729]

Im the post's OP. Any questions, feel free to ask, otherwise you can read the post's comment sections to see if your question has already been answered.

[@baxterbruce9827]

So is Gabe an insufferable prick about everything or just D&D?

[@theogerbdsioneyeen729]

@@baxterbruce9827 He did got annoying outside of D&D aswell.

[@Normaschthewanderer]

I guess my question would be, what happened after this? Did he continue to harass you guys and try to get you to let him back in? Or did he give you grief because he blamed you personally for him getting asked to leave?

[@theogerbdsioneyeen729]

Im currently procrastinating on writing the reddit post that completes this story, but im having a hard time trying to see what i can cut and what i can, because a lot of it was really personal stuff and i dont want to expose stuff that happened to both him and me and the other people in the story. The TL;DR would that he tried to get us into a game, some good time after, and he was a terrible DM, increasingly creepier, luckly less homophobic, but really 'horny'. If you want something that happened before the events of this post, you can read the 'prequel' on my reddit profile.

[@Normaschthewanderer]

@@theogerbdsioneyeen729 thanks for the reply. As far as the sequel goes, you could try keeping it focused on what happened in game. Hopefully nothing too personal would creep in. Plus if you're using fake names for everybody that should keep people from finding out who he is. Either way good luck.

[@FoxGoddess]

If someone demanded I change my character, I would look them dead in the eye, and say "I'll make you a deal, you also have to reroll your character" Then I would change literally everything about my character except the thing that they hate, just to spite them.

[@baxterbruce9827]

I would absolutely do that, it's perfect You could also suggest that you reroll new characters for EACH OTHER and force them to play a character similar to your old one

[@Nyghtking]

Even better, reroll a warforged Cleric, after all warforged don't have a restriction of what class they can be, and then pick to follow his same god just to twist the knife a little more.

[@baxterbruce9827]

@@Nyghtking This is getting better

[@legendsofmichael4315]

@@Nyghtking you all are diabolical sons of bitches. I love it.

[@sovelissgalanodel3500]

*I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move...*

[@rockspoon6528]

I fail to see why robots would be disallowed in a fantasy game. You don't need computers to make a "robot," things similar, like golems, are basically identical.

[@DHTheAlaskan]

With magic you can make some crazy stuff. I have no idea why the concept of marrying magic and technology is so taboo.

[@kenotorino1819]

Just add elven high magic and say, I make a robot

[@meliodasgloom1818]

Seeing as how Warforged are just improved golems...

[@Malbutorius]

It's the same people who hate firearms in fantasy settings even though firearms are centuries old.

[@kenotorino1819]

@@Malbutorius Just don't fire a Bad news at a PC and everything is fine

[@notbob555]

Warforged: Is an official race in DnD Gabriel: Writes angry letters to Wizards of The Coast complaining about how they are ruining the game.

[@liamdalemon1525]

that's like saying that the force shouldn't exist in star wars because it's science fiction, not fantasy!

[@craigtucker1290]

@@liamdalemon1525 Star Wars is science fantasy because of the force, not science fiction.

[@AC-sv4yc]

Gabriel is Karen

[@akexkdffakdkwicdfkkdkk7343]

Star Wars IV-VI: happens, Darth Vader is an antagonist in it Audience: that's a robot no matter what I'm seeing on the screen, designed to fool the humans AD&D: comes out same year as Return of the Jedi, explains that Darth Vader is not a robot by having all-machine constructs that are only destructible objects in combat D&D players: nope, Vader is just a robot The Terminator: a fully machine thing produced by an AI to deceive humans long enough to manage to stalk and kill a human Star Wars I-III: happens, Anakin is a protagonist in it D&D: constructs are PCs now Gabriel: doesn't want to admit Anakin does not have any cybernetic implants DESPITE THE GM TRYING TO CLUE HIM IN TO THE CULTURAL CONVERSATION GOING ON WITH THE MINOTAUR WITH THE PROSTHETIC LEG Me: Gabriel, the not genuine D&D player: Me: we still haven't proven all of you aren't Darth Vader stalking me, have we? Gabriel, the actually not genuine D&D player: who the fuck is this Me: your worst nightmare in more ways than I can possibly explain in one evening

[@craigtucker1290]

@@akexkdffakdkwicdfkkdkk7343 I have no idea what you are saying as your train of thought seems to jump a few tracks. Could you explain the point you were trying to get across and what Minotaur?

[@epileum67]

I’ve never tried playing a warforged, but when I see one in game, my Dwarf Blacksmith (Fighter) is always impressed by Warforged!

[@emberfist8347]

Maybe once you should have him react like he could build a better warforged in his sleep.

[@sherminatoranalysis3429]

Blake Tyson That’d be great

[@dinodude6992]

All I can picture is Rogal dorn from 40k tts and his dnd character, dwarve saying "impressive

[@MikkosFree]

I did see a player once who played a warforged wizard and kept asking the GM to allow him to 'reskin' spells so they fit his warforged aesthetic. It was basically a gundam and was breaking every one elses role play.

[@epileum67]

Michael Gutierrez There is definitely a fine line between roleplay breaking reskins and good reskins. If one of my players was playing a warforged that wanted reskinned spells, I might use something like built in flamethrowers (or something similar but less gamebreaking) instead of a fireball spell. But anyway, thanks for telling me this story!

[@williamfalls]

"You can't put your sci-fi crap into a fantasy setting!" ... You're basically saying they can't put their imagination in your imagination.

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

Underrated gem of a comment, lol.

[@notbob555]

Nevermind the fact that warforged are and have been an official part of DnD along with other "robots" like clockwork constructs. He's saying: "How dare you include DnD in this game of DnD?!"

[@UNSCrearadmiral]

Add in the fact the war forged are generally only creatable through magic... and can also be made out of wood... Sounds pretty wood elf fantasy to me

[@Nyrufa]

*flails arms in the direction of Spelljammer and the Far Realm*

[@striker8961]

It's a golem...........that is a magic creature moved by....magic. ..tf is he talking about scifi

[@Sturmjaeger]

As a long time Eberron fan, I stand against anti-Warforged discrimination!

[@DHTheAlaskan]

I too stand against toaster hate. My boy Sprocket would not approve of the cleric's actions.

[@lolbots686]

damm right. if my warforged artificer was there hed blow the bastards head off on the spot

[@lolbots686]

never fuck with a artificer who wields a pistol doing 1d10

[@ULTIMATZEKROM]

Warforged Lives Matter!

[@lolbots686]

@@ULTIMATZEKROM damm right

[@LocalMaple]

Easily angered guy who doesn’t want sci-fi, is animated as Spock from Star Trek.

[@jonathanmarks3112]

That's probably intentionally ironic.

[@cjdd8184]

Can confirm: completely on purpose

[@megamanx466]

lol

[@xendakakorva3267]

I just realized that XD

[@spartanhawk7637]

They realize a Warforged is an official race, right?

[@gregvadas-bedo9007]

Clearly, that's a No.

[@kelly_seastar]

Alternate title: "Unimaginative Cleric Can't Handle Other's Creativity."

[@notbob555]

Creativity? Warforged are an official race within DnD lore, and are playable in several editions. (I don't know if they were in the first few) He may as well be complaining that someone was playing an elf.

[@kelly_seastar]

@@notbob555 Warforged aren't a hivemind. It takes creativity to figure out how a character would act in any given situation.

[@notbob555]

@@kelly_seastar I never said anything that would point otherwise...

[@kelly_seastar]

@@notbob555 Your first reply sounded like you were implying picking a race from the guide book isn't creative.

[@notbob555]

@@kelly_seastar I mean, picking a pre-made race in and of itself doesn't require any creativity. What does is how you play the character.

[@natakug1]

"Sci-fi" huh. Ok, lets talk real D&D. Monsters made of magic exist. Elementals, creatures made of elements exist. Creatures without actual organs exist. MODRONS are a creature which are essentially clockwork monstrosities exist. Ever hear of the Modron March campaign? Now lets talk Warforged, which are akin to Golems, which very heavily exist in fantasy settings. Instead of being made from Mud or rock, they are crafted with materials ranging from wood to metal, and are created as tools for war. Forged for war some would say. Warforged gained sentience and began having autonomy. To call them Sci-fi, is very ignorant as they still apply to MANY fantasy tropes. calling them "Robots" would be an unnatural thing to say. Automaton maybe, but not robot. If I was to call nonsense on anything, it would have been the name, but thats mostly preferance, as Warforged are not made with names or serial numbers, they are just made, and after they gained sentience and autonomy they usually end up making up their names with some form of loose concept of naming schemes. hence why you end up with many warforged name after items, such as "Rock" "Spoon" "Chair" "Buckets" "House" and one I always found funny "Latrine" whom was nicknamed later as Shit-house the Unbroken Speaking more on fantasy, and again personal thoughts, One of my favorite things to do in fantasy settings is to TAKE Sci-fi elements, characters etc and "downgrade" their features to fit. and this works in so many ways, such as taking Darth Vader and turning him into a literal Dark Knight with magic. Take Boba Fett and give him a crossbow instead of a blaster. Its very easy to do, and I encourage such designs

[@BrigadierNS]

Shit-house the unbroken what a fucking name

[@Mvmrobots4030]

You..... i like you

[@Nyghtking]

Yup if I remember correctly warforged don't have a specific gender as they are all pretty much designed the same, so most don't choose a gender, other take a perferred gender, and warforged names are usually based on an object, sound, concept, ect that the warforged took an interest in, so you are as likely to get a warforged named larry that identifies as a woman as you are to get a warforged named sunrise that doesn't identify as either.

[@danamoore1788]

Your downgrade reminds me of art of Star Wars characters in feudal japan style. Interestingly they tend to work. My only debate is the warforged with no identifiers. For how precise they are made and the organization you need in war. I would think identifiers for the units would be normal. Probably similar to manufacture part numbers where it somehow lists factory, batch number, lot number. It just seems logical to me.

[@32Loveless50]

well if you read up on D&D lore, there is even ships that sail between realms, almost like space ships but with magic as a propulsion. so it is not even downgrading to have warforge :)

[@Syenthros]

Like, I can totally believe a *character* being like "Nah, fam, I'm not going to heal a Warforged since it's unnatural." But the cleric's player was being completely unreasonable. Maybe it should have been explained to him that Warforged *are* "Real D&D", just from a specific one of the many settings D&D houses under its ruleset.

[@WDinATX]

I’m guessing that it was. Either when Ed explained to the party what a warforged was or during the private talk probably. It’s just that Gabriel wouldn’t listen after hearing metal and face in the same sentence. People who don’t listen to facts that contradict their ridiculous personal reality are the worst.

[@tylerulfmann4586]

Also if I remember correctly a war forged “soul” is crafted out of magical energy IE isn’t like necromancy “repurposing” of a soul thus isn’t unnatural just a machine designed to complete a task/goal

[@DeadlockDrago]

Even if it wasn't "real d&d", so what? I play as a spider in one of the campaigns I'm in. A sentient intelligent spider, and I don't mean one of those half human hybrids. I may climb walls and lay web traps naturally, but it's not like I can pick up a sword like most folk can, it's something different and odd. Heck most folk who see me would freak out and refuse to talk or even attack on sight (I mean wouldn't you if you saw a spider the size of a dog stroll up to you?). Homebrew makes the games more fun and interesting within reason. He'll have different challenges, strengths, and weaknesses. If a DM says it's ok, the other players are fine with it, that should be the end of it. Gabe just wanted everything his way, which as a DM maybe but never as a player. What's the point of playing when things go exactly as you want, where's the challenge, fun, or even surprise? If he got mad this easily, he deserved getting kicked.

[@Syenthros]

@@DeadlockDrago Your character sounds awesome, actually. XD

[@Nyghtking]

@@DeadlockDrago I kind of wanted to do something like that once for a short campaign, just play like an awakened psionic fox

[@swordcrab3181]

I probably would have tried to find every reference I could to artificial beings from older stories, especially myths and legends. The Golem of Prague, Talos and the other automatons made by Hephaestus, Pinnochio... Then I'd send it to him as a document with something to the effect of "there, educate yourself".

[@geneclark4657]

that would still enable this dick in a small way, putting the ounis on 'you' to defend that choice.

[@swordcrab3181]

@@geneclark4657 True, but I would derive a pleasant feeling of smugness from it so I don't mind that much.

[@WriterKing92]

I’d also throw any books of Eberron available. Ebberon IS, after all, an official D&D setting where magitech things like Warforged exist, after all, and multiverse theory and portals to other worlds exist all of the time in the Forgotten Realms. So it’s possible people from Eberron introduced Warforged into the setting. Considering the DM himself had to approve of the character before starting and the world itself IS home-brewed, this further supports the case. But the best thing we can say here is the last I checked, Ed was the DM here, not Gabriel. If he wants to DM his OWN campaign, he’s more than welcome to, but you don’t hijack someone else’s campaign if you’re the only person not having fun.

[@swordcrab3181]

@@WriterKing92 It also seems that Gabriel was fine with Warforged and other "technological things" being present in the setting given the fact that they fought that minotaur who had a magical prosthetic and he didn't complain, it's only when he discovered that someone was playing a warforged that he threw a fit.

[@samuelsoliday8241]

That wouldn't work. Being proven wrong activates the same areas in your brain that register actual, physical, pain. Doing what you suggested would just result in him doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on his hatred.

[@allthingsdnd]

What would you have done if another player tried to get you to retire or change your character?

[@krystianmoralesify]

What video is the rick and morty one???? I want to rewatch it

[@UndeadSteampunk]

I would have said no kindly and get the dm involve if they still are going on about it

[@stevenmcreynolds4948]

Vote out the imposter Among Us

[@articusramos808]

I would first call them out on it by asking both in character and in person. Then I would see what to do later.

[@DHTheAlaskan]

I would do everything in my power to keep this character alive. With luck I would get the rest of the table on my side as well.

[@CaptainRed1000]

Warforged aren’t robots, if anything they’re magically sentient metal golems. This Gabriel fellow sounds like an obtuse arse. Edit: RIP my inbox. Apparently they can also be made of wood or stone. My bad. Also, it just occured to me Gabe ignored the numerous other fantasy settings that use golems, even robots. Hello Elder Scrolls.

[@DHTheAlaskan]

Metal, stone and wood

[@bonefetcherbrimley7740]

Yea Gabriel sounds like a whiny little bitch. What an unpleasant player.

[@zEr-ne5ri]

@CaptainRed1000 then why do they draw them like robots? I mean not a single Warfoged is made out of wood or stone.

[@emberfist8347]

Well, I would say that a golem counts as a robot. After all The Elder Scrolls series had Golems that were basically treated as robots because the Dwarves who built them were on the technology side of the magic vs technology debate. However, I wouldn't say they are against the rules.

[@zEr-ne5ri]

@Blake Tyson NERRRRRRRRRRRRRD! (I always wanted to say that)

[@ARandomCogboi]

“Reeeee warforged iz robot and sci-fi!!!” My character: “Hold my motor oil”

[@ashtiboy]

warfoged are tecaly robots but there robots that are made and powered with D&D magic and not scifi computers so warfoged are alowed in this case

[@ashtiboy]

and not to mechon theres some acient legaids that had the robot trope back in like in 100BC before in the past so nothing new about it anyway

[@ARandomCogboi]

The joke is that my character is a half human cyborg, living in a medieval world despite having advanced bionics and cybernetics. (Technically he’s more dieselpunk than cyberpunk, but he’s still a legend)

[@devildham]

1.) Warforged are as much a "robot" as Pinocchio....a fairytale written 10 years before Dracula. 2.) If you want your character to play as a racist POS that's fine as long as it's okay with the DM AND the table (THE WHOLE TABLE), but you don't get to dictate someone else's character. Good on the DM for taking charge.

[@emberfist8347]

I would call a warforge a robot. They are just steampunk clockwork robots.

[@spiritlaw]

@@emberfist8347 Careful, you might get called 'Robotist' or 'Robophobic' with that statement.

[@DanStaal]

Ancient Greece has metal servants crafted - usually by the gods, but not always - to protect areas or to act as servants in many parts of it's myths. The idea goes back at *least* to 400 BC.

[@emberfist8347]

@@spiritlaw I am not saying they bad in fact I am a sucker for the steampunk clockwork vibe they give off. Warforged are cool.

[@spiritlaw]

@@emberfist8347 Oh- no worries, my dude. I was just joking with ya. ^_^" But yeah, they are pretty dang cool.

[@nachocolonel]

I’m early, so here’s a recipe for banana bread I found online: INGREDIENTS • 2 to 3 very ripe bananas, peeled (about 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 cups mashed) • 1/3 cup melted butter, unsalted or salted • 1 teaspoon baking soda • Pinch of salt • 3/4 cup sugar (1/2 cup if you would like it less sweet, 1 cup if more sweet) • 1 large egg, beaten • 1 teaspoon vanilla extract • 1 1/2 cups of all-purpose flour METHOD 1 Preheat the oven to 350°F (175°C), and butter a 4x8-inch loaf pan. 2 In a mixing bowl, mash the ripe bananas with a fork until completely smooth. Stir the melted butter into the mashed bananas. 3 Mix in the baking soda and salt. Stir in the sugar, beaten egg, and vanilla extract. Mix in the flour. 4 Pour the batter into your prepared loaf pan. Bake for 50 minutes to 1 hour at 350°F (175°C), or until a tester inserted into the center comes out clean. 5 Remove from oven and let cool in the pan for a few minutes. Then remove the banana bread from the pan and let cool completely before serving. Slice and serve. (A bread knife helps to make slices that aren't crumbly.)

[@epileum67]

I have no idea why you did this, but I’m gonna try it XD

[@rockspoon6528]

Recipe > Impotently screeching "first!"

[@bosstyrant]

you madlad, thank you. I know how to make banana bread now!

[@Soofkin]

I'm playing a warforged chef named BROT (baking Robot Oven Type) and I will make this for my party, heck I'll give it a try irl.

[@DHTheAlaskan]

Never thought I would find a recipe in the comment sections. I approve of this subversion of expectations.

[@cnkclark]

In a 4th Edition Eberron game I played a Warforged Battlemind (psionic Defender/tank class) named Breaker. He was a late model 'Psiforged' created with embedded psionic crystals, a heavy shock trooper intended to disrupt enemy formations. I gave him the Mage Hunter background explained as him having been specially trained to identify, prioritize, and neutralize arcane threats on the battlefield. I admit I played him with the Autobots firmly in mind. I honestly think Transformers are not a bad concept to consider when thinking about Warforged - Transformers are not simply 'robots' but are robotic alien lifeforms. Similarly Warforged are not simply 'robots' but are construct lifeforms created by magic and artifice. Breaker's intro to the game was walking out of the ocean in a port town, after his mercenary troop's transport ship was sunk by a sea monster mid-voyage and he spent weeks walking along the sea floor to reach land. One of my favorite characters ever. Gabriel can get wrecked.

[@andrewparsons2391]

7:31 *Looks at my copy of Expedition to the Barrier Peaks, about players exploring a crashed flying saucer filled with malfunctioning robots and escaped alien specimens, originally printed in 1976 and written by E Gary Gygax himself* "And what, pray tell, is 'Real' D&D? Or 'Real' fantasy, for that matter?"

[@TheTsugnawmi2010]

Just think of Warforged as a magic suit of armour full of wood.

[@emberfist8347]

I just see them as robots but of the steampunk variety with clockwork assemblies and gears and that sort of thing.

[@DeadlockDrago]

@@emberfist8347 Or even magitech like say what League of Legends would use. There's plenty of ways to rule it official or otherwise while still making sense in the setting and without it being scifi.

[@melissawardjohns220]

That is how I describe my character in game. If a shambling bush and an animated armor got together and became a symbotic life form of healing compassion and warriors fury. They accepted it much easier if a wizard took two monsters and fused them into a new creation than if I was a true iron giant.

[@geneclark4657]

Alpones Elric the warforged

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

I always looked at a warforged as a golem some body got creative with.

[@HulkTheSurgeon]

The one dislike is probably from Gabriel, lmao.

[@TheBooban]

28 now. Warforged are stupid. Makes no limits on anything. Next char race, a talking bucket.

[@sparkthefloofyprotogen3556]

@@TheBooban are you joking or being an asshole because if it’s the latter your opinion doesn’t matter I don’t care if free speech is a humane right it also means I have the right to not listen to you

[@thecreeperking1293]

@@TheBooban what do you mean "no limits"? they are still fantasy, they are the equivalent of a sentient golem.

[@Fetch26291]

The DM should have shoved the Eberon book in that player's face and said: "Read this. This is part of D&D. You don't like it, then you are no longer welcome at my table."

[@chaotickreg7024]

"I don't like that setting personally" what would you do?

[@clericofchaos1]

Warforged have been my favorite race since 3.5. I was ecstatic when they finally and officially came to 5e. I like having just a sprinkle of sci-fi in my fantasy, and i really like not needing to eat, sleep, or breathe. So mine normally have names like his, with me making characters that have a specific function followed by a number and then abbreviated. Like Assault Robot model 15 (AR-15).

[@armandofaith5288]

Could adopt the name Aris in human civvies if you want to hide out.

[@clericofchaos1]

@@armandofaith5288 nah, i've never tried to hide it.

[@pallydan893]

Warforged remind me of Tick-Tock from 'Return to Oz'.

[@popburnsy3207]

@@pallydan893 wait the Oz books are Scifi?! /s🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@pallydan893]

@@popburnsy3207 No. Where did you get that idea?

[@jacksongreen1319]

This is gonna be good

[@allthingsdnd]

You are a fortune teller

[@UndeadSteampunk]

@@allthingsdnd you got that right

[@deadeye4047]

I got a warforged character in the works for a Star Wars Pathfinder-esque game I hope to be apart of. A B2 Super Battle Droid with a Kyber Crystal power core that houses a Jedi Padawan's soul after he was killed during Order 66.

[@kanseidorifto2430]

Is that canon to Star Wars, to have souls, and soul transfer/containment? I know about Sith Magic, but that stuff's mega old. Sounds interesting.

[@emberfist8347]

@@kanseidorifto2430 No not really but there is an idea he could use. They are a Jedi sub-group call the Iron Knights in the lore. They were a race of sentient crystals called the Shards, that have been planted into droid bodies so they could explore the galaxy. The Iron Knights first rose to prominence during the Arkanian Revolution which happed 50 years before the events of the OT and they were absent for the most part during the Clone Wars because the Jedi Order say them as heretical, but during the Great Jedi Purge, Palpatine had the Shard homeworld of Orax attacked and most of them were wiped out. However, the Iron Knights survived by virtue of being exiled at the time and would later join Luke Skywalker's New Jedi Order. They were particularly notable for their role in the Yuuzhan Vong War which took place during the New Jedi Order series as the Vong were anti-technology Luddites who saw droids as abominations and would go out of their way to destroy. The Iron Knights protected droids during theis time.

[@Lans32485]

@@kanseidorifto2430 NM, was gonna bring up the Shards/Iron Knights, but Blake already did. Will note that one of the Saga edition sourcebooks has stats for them that are d20 compatible.

[@deadeye4047]

@@emberfist8347 That's exactly where I'm taking inspiration from! I randomly remembered that Vader faught one and it got me thinking about this character. Due to the Padawan being in such a deep meditative trance to bind to his first Kyber Crystal, his soul was transferred into his Crystal upon his death.

[@deadeye4047]

@@Lans32485 Link me, pls.

[@Lonewanderer6666]

This really isn't as bad as the time I play as a "tiefling warlock" who's acts like he's a Vulcan Starfleet officer and every time he fires off eldritch blast he would make phasor sounds. Pew pew pew.

[@BenDover-dk2sp]

But that actually sounds like fun

[@deadpan5104]

I don't think this dude knows that warforged aren't homebrew.

[@JKSSubstandard]

At the time they probably were for 5e

[@Lavadog11]

or just didn't care

[@chrisppx]

Warforged lives matter too!

[@allthingsdnd]

Sprocket agrees

[@UndeadSteampunk]

@@allthingsdnd I like sprocket

[@DHTheAlaskan]

Sprocket's author here: he would very much agree.

[@joefloggg3257]

Agreed

[@shadowmage1988]

This reminds me a bit of one of my games I've played in but not to the extreme that cleric man was. I was in the position of the Cleric but I had no problem of the player who played the Warforged. It is just that in session 0, we were told Warforged in this setting are a bit more robotic if only in the terms of where they have to obey orders, but there are Warforged out there who become "sentient" and whatnot. Warforged Player wants to obviously play a Warforged, DM is cool with it, table is cool with it, player was told though he'd have to keep his sentience secret otherwise he'd be under risk of being "fixed" pretty much turned into a robot without a mind. Throughout the entire campaign, the Warforged Player despite getting arrested for sentience, we saving his butt out of jail, out of court, etc etc, still went on and about proving he was sentient. We told him in character and out to just cool it. Player himself saying his warforged is like a child will do what he is told. I as a detailed note taker even with things not involving me, pasted all the times he did not listen to the party despite being told. In all honesty, I think the DM didn't even care about his own world setting anymore at that point, since the player cheated death for the entire campaign till the final battle where he got paralyzed via hold person, and then turned to dust via Disintegrate. Both my characters didn't like the Warforged, first one due to how the fact the Warforged acted a bit psychotic towards killing humanoids and other bipedal creatures that weren't natural animals. To where that character actually literally stopped healing him if he got injured or went down since started seeing him as a threat to society(he threatened to peel off flesh from some NPCs, how this didn't get him just killed on the spot made me question lots of things). To where I just did a sacrifice play with that character to take out the enemy and himself so I could just start fresh with a different character with no biases(I leave personal things off the table when playing so fresh character, fresh slate), and instantly the first thing Warforged told new character who is pretty neutral to everything, "If you betray us, I will peel your face off" My new Wizard just laughed and said "Whatever." Till learning the Warforged was relatively unstable and then he too eventually saw the Warforged as a threat to be dealt with when the campaign ended. Ironically, my Wizard was the one to avenge the Warforged, just shouting at the enemy Wizard "He was my problem to deal with and I was going to dust him in a duel" and proceeded to just nuke the enemy wizard.

[@derekdrake8706]

"You can't put your scifi crap in a fantasy setting!" *Hands Gabriel a pillow.* "What's this for?" *For you to bite, because it's going in dry.*

[@johantank5631]

Player: animated metal warriors are totally non-fantasy and are too futuristic Ancient Greeks: ....no no it’s fine we know where we’re not welcomed

[@crystallxix1493]

Time since Video was posted: 5mins Video length: 9mins People: still making jokes about the video

[@allthingsdnd]

I think they are the members of Sic Mundus

[@crystallxix1493]

All Things DnD *exposed*

[@drewmarteny1495]

some people listen on double speed

[@captainkiwi77]

Drew Marteny or make comments before finishing. Also early stage comments and post times can get a little... wonky

[@ImmortalLemon]

I like how your video intro is all epic and borderline menacing, but then your voice is so inviting and jolly

[@normanmerrick9493]

As someone whose longest running character is a warforged artificer disguised as an old man... What kind of rock do you have to live under to not know what a warforged is?!?

[@reapergrimm8]

"This guy" would have a conniption fit if he was at my table with one of my players in our last campaign. He started out as a Constructed Pugilist Brawler. Which meant he could have a construct limb that replaced one of his arms. However, his initial concept was that one of his legs was a construct limb instead. But RAW meant that his construct limb had to be an arm, However, I did not want to limit him. So I said that he could start the campaign with a clockwork prosthesis that replaced his leg. We worked it into his backstory, and he was essentially 25% construct at the start of the game. By the end of the campaign, he was known as the Crimson Construct since he was effectively a high fantasy version of Robocop who had a wyvern mount. He had been killed late into the campaign and was out back together with more construct parts and a Raise Dead spell.

[@eryvac0074]

I understand a cleric not wanting to heal a Warforged. Clerics protect life usually, and they could see Warforged as some "horrific mockery of life" and not want to heal them, but blatantly trying to have another player removed from the game for picking a legitimate playable race? That's not ok

[@ARC1701A]

When the artificer shows up with a golem army at the clutch moment, I am so playing Droid Army March.

[@Dekorume]

Now I want to run an Expedition to Barrier Peaks game with a party made up of Warforged. Just to see how they interact with the robots.

[@Hollyclown]

How do you break the rules of fantasy? Its fantasy...

[@craigtucker1290]

Even fantasy has rules. If one plays in a specific setting, that setting has specific rules about what is and what is not in that setting.

[@Hollyclown]

@@craigtucker1290 i mean yes, but with that, the rules are far more lax than other realities (unlike sci-fi or our reality).

[@craigtucker1290]

@@Hollyclown They are now in this edition, which has followed a path since WotC bought the rights to the game. It is why D&D plays more like a video game where consequences and choice don't seem to really matter. Yes, it would be harder to play a character that couldn't be healed, but that is exactly how the game used to work when a player made a choice to play an undead, a created or even a petitioner (dead character). Players who used to play such characters accepted the difficulty and challenge their decision brought as another opportunity, but WotC has nerfed all these penalties and restriction while giving away the milk for free.

[@notbob555]

@@craigtucker1290 If you want to play without warforged fine, but they are still part of standard DnD and unless told otherwise, players shouldn't think they are against the rules.

[@craigtucker1290]

@@notbob555 No, they are only officially part of the Ebberon campaign setting and not found in any other official campaign setting as a playable character. If they were a standard playable character race as you seem to think they are, they would be in the Player's Handbook beside all the other standard races, yet they are not. The default rule in D&D currently is that warforged are only found on Ebberon, but a player could ask to play one in another setting with their DM's approval. Also, a specific campaign setting may officially ban certain races as being playable or present as per the setting specific rules, something that you should also be aware of.

[@Loredad13]

How would I handle it? "Hey, quick question. Do you know where the door is? Feel free to use it."

[@zhaimorenn8273]

Had a player like this one time. I was playing in a horror custom setting and basically we were all to roll up monsters of one flavor or another but were either on a path of redemption or were just monstrous but not evil. Only exception was our friend who played the cleric "Cavil the Redeemer"- ostensibly the leader who was leading these monsters on righteous quests. The monsters included a Gnoll Barbarian who had sworn to never "Eat meat that thinks"/no more cannibalism, a vampire who had gotten his soul forced back onto him (the problem guy with who blatantly ripped off Angel), and my character, a Changling Ozodrin (a class we found on the community site that basically makes you into an eldritch horror with no true set form. You over time can reallocate mutation points to give yourself many different natural weapon and tools.) Long and short of it, the Angel wannabe was being a bit of a jerk to everyone else in the group on the reg, and especially hated my character b/c it's not a classic monster or whatever. Apparently he never read Lovecraft. Anyhow, it was perfectly acceptable for us to in-character dislike each other- added a fun exasperated parent aspect to "The Redeemer"'s player who rolled with it and played it up well. But the Angel wannabe decided, after my character had been pretty badly wounded and it was just the two of us as the Redeemer and Gnoll went ahead to get the child oracle to safety, to finish my character off. He tried to initiate a grapple and try to energy drain/feed on me. The other players balked at this but I quickly stopped them and told them we're playing this out in character. I even added "If I die, I can roll up an undead bone construct or a lich or something fun too." - purely to just put the Wannabe at his ease. He drained two levels from me, and then it came to my turn. My character erupted into a mass of clawed tentacles, a slavering maw and on the order of a dozen new eyes. The grapple quickly turned around, and the Angel Wannabe was getting desperate to get his precious character out of my reach. But the longer the fight lasted, the more mutation points I allocated to tentacles and grapple augmentations. He threw his hands up and quit the campaign and the group in a huff when his character was dead and devoured by the Eldritch Nightmare. The funny thing is my character's personality was not too different from Chappy from the movie Chappy- innocent and ultimately unaware of whatever evil had spawned him. So we got to have a really fun role playing session where the party discussed with him why the Vamp, who in-character he had thought his friend, would try to kill him. fun times

[@BlackrockLobbyist]

if i was the dm he would've been gone as soon as he requested another player be kicked out for a bullshit reason. thats only a sign of things to come and hes already shown his true colors.

[@themotions5967]

This is why I clarify that my games are a “everything and the kitchen sink” fantasy setting it’s a big world anything can happen as long as it’s so far out of left field that it’s impossible to be explained properly.

[@themotions5967]

But when it comes to magic in Sci-fi it technology in medieval fantasy both can be written in in so many ways in fact some of the best fiction and universe mechanics/ideas are fantasy genre fusions if their is magic in sci-fi no problem what do you think is lowering all the crazy tech? Or steam or tech punk gadgets or even races in a blade and sorcery setting it’s remnant technology of old advanced civilizations

[@themotions5967]

These aren’t odd or original ideas by far it’s fairly easy to conceptualize a war-forged or even low grade tech in any fantasy setting almost he was just being one of those twats that get too obsessed with the story and it’s continuity because they have such a “I’m the protagonist” fetish that if anyone else is creative or unique they just blow up and act like a child

[@mrsnufflekins3479]

Gabriel: We're here to play real D&D. Get this Warforged out of here. Real D&D: Has Warforged as a playable race. Gabriel: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that.

[@desireecaruthers3583]

As someone who enjoys a mideveil/sci-fi look, warforged is one of my favorite races, beside V. human. Uts just so fun to combo with everything, especially if you play a caster and convince the dm to let you roleplay it as the warforged's mechanical bits

[@strategicarchitect869]

Sci-fi in a fantasy game? Wow, sounds like Gabriel has never heard of automatons. Or the various stories where they showed up in Greek myths...you know, the ones where you have Gods and magic? Yeesh... As for what would I do if someone tried to force me to retire my character? I wouldn't listen, if the DM was okay with what I presented it's none their darn business. Some dunderhead in one group I was in tried to do the same, he backed off when I told him I'm five steps away from the paper shredder and that I have no qualms in throwing his sheet in there.

[@BaoHadir]

I played a campaign alongside a Warforged wizard in Pathfinder. For being a metal (and wood) man, he was the life of the party.

[@dsareis9134]

It’s never good when someone asks to speak to you in private

[@derekdrake8706]

This story would've been the perfect time to say: *"Bite my shiney metal ass."*

[@dsareis9134]

Interesting story

[@dsareis9134]

A that guy story , with a good ending , looking forward to the next one 🤩

[@borisvolko1573]

I like to think that as long as the player isn’t one of the many categories of “that guy” or at least not too much, any character can work

[@crystallxix1493]

I ASK.... NO... I *DEMAND* TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THE SEQUEL

[@Normaschthewanderer]

He tried to force some npc to stop being lesbian so his character could seduce her.

[@crystallxix1493]

Normaschthewanderer say sike right now

[@TheUnluckyEverydude]

@@Normaschthewanderer why do they play with this dude lololol

[@jonathanmarks3112]

I second your curiosity.

[@baxterbruce9827]

@@jonathanmarks3112 A better question is why we don't send them all to play with each other and see if that either smooths everyone out a little or gets them all to stop playing

[@goffrd137]

During one of my few DMing experiences I was doing a homebrew sea adventure and I told the group basic 3.0/3.5 races. What I intended was PHB races but a good friend rolled up a Warforged. Rather than making it a thing I rolled with it and gave him some cork "armour" (a life jacket to keep him from sinking if washed overboard

[@Knightwolf1875]

This it why I like to have information handy. It shuts up people like that guy. Also if someone told me to make another character just because they don't like it. I'd just leave if it got to much, or let the DM deal with him like this DM did.

[@WildcardStrider]

I could be very wrong.. But this sounds like it takes place outside of the Eberron setting.. I had no idea you could do that. Sure I know one can do anything so long as the DM 'okays' it, but I'm glad that it's allowed. It removes some boundaries I had set for myself when making characters.

[@leonabarfield1560]

Gabe sounds like a frequent tendie muncher who is a real "Nice guy"

[@davidjohnson6665]

My party has a Warforged Rogue and it’s a blast! He doesn’t say much, stealths at every moment and gets away with all sorts of nonsense.

[@papadikolov1378]

"We were suppose to play D&D, not this sci-fi crap!" Golems everywhere: Am I a joke to you?

[@Hawkens4k]

i haven't done a D&D game i'd honestly know that you gotta respect peoples wishes when it comes to both characters and being a guest at someones house.

[@32Loveless50]

hmm Sci-Fi. if you look up on D&D lore we even have space ships that can sail in the ether from realm to realm :D but they use magic to work, or psychic powers in the case of the illithids.

[@Gorvar100]

Starjammer is canon! Also Terrasque's are space kaiju, CONFIRMED.

[@skelteralterbaron4341]

I gotta say,I'm positively astounded at the patience the people in these stories have. Now,don't get me wrong,I consider myself a fairly patient person,but if you're gonna be passive-aggressive,condescending,and rude as all *hell* to me for no clear reason,I'll bring the problem to center stage,as I was taught to when I was younger,and put the issue to bed,one way,or another. What would you do?

[@blturn]

Just wait until he finds out what the Construct monster type means.

[@SuperCasualPleb]

What i understand a warforged is like a high teck golem

[@evangrescol7772]

"It's too scifi for my fantasy game!" Dude, just because the Warforged exists in your game doesn't mean it's becoming Star Wars. And even if it was, it's Star Wars. Don't limit the creativity, embrace it.

[@craigtucker1290]

Some just don't like homebrew games because of that unrestricted creativity feels more like unstructured DM whim. Warforged are a niche "race" not part of traditional D&D even if golems and other constructs are.

[@evangrescol7772]

@@craigtucker1290 You're right, they are a niche race, and not everyone enjoys games without or with little precedent structure. But if that's the case, play at a different table. If the DM already agreed to allow it, then it's allowed. They have the final say. If a player at my table said they wanted me to kick another player just because of the race they play, even if it's homebrew or exotic, then I'm going to tell them to grow up. It's a fictitious game for you and a handful of other people to have fun, not get upset about whether or not it has firearms, robomen, or flying ships. It's silly. Not trying to direct this at you, I just wanted to share my own thoughts.

[@craigtucker1290]

@@evangrescol7772 No worries. If the DM is going to allow such things in their game then they need to be up front with the players of what rule changes, inclusions, and exclusion will take place in their particular homebrew campaign. Failing to disclose these homebrew modifications is just bad DMing. The other issue is that while the game is about fun, it is about everyone having fun. Obviously, this player was no longer having fun with this particular game. If the DM was upfront about their homebrew, perhaps this player would have not bothered with this campaign that is not their idea of fun and looked for a different table more to their liking. A DM should always be up front with the players about how they have modified the game, especially with new players that might be looking for a specific D&D experience.

[@evangrescol7772]

@@craigtucker1290 You're right, it's everyone's right to have fun, but setting and what's generally allowed in at least background information is 100% the DMs call. I do want to clarify some other things too. I do agree that when it comes to settings or mechanics, a DM should always be upfront about it. Or if it's something like "Hey guys, Id like to run an all tiefling campaign!". But when it comes to races.....I fail to see how it's a problem. Maybe I just don't see it the same way, but I don't think another players decision to play a less common race should deter you from playing in that game. It's the decision of the player as long as the DM approves it. Not the other players. And this player getting hung up on the Warforged, of all things? It's a golem with a soul. And golems already exist in the game. It's really not that unfeasible for them to exist. The most difficult thing about allowing Warforged is the history behind them because they're meant for the Eberron setting. However, history can be changed and altered. And players don't even really have to worry about that all that much. The problem player in this story should've left if the presence of Warforged really bothered him that much. Like right after he met with the DM in private and realized he wasn't changing it. I don't think the DM should be held responsible for him staying with the group anyway.

[@craigtucker1290]

@@evangrescol7772 Yes, the player should have left as soon as they found and it was unfair to the others the way they acted. But the DM should have been upfront and presented everything they were going to use in their campaign which included the existence of warforged beings. In this way, the player could have decide not to waste their time with a campaign that was clearly not to their taste. Let's make it clear though, a warforged is not a golem with a soul. It actually is a broken race that seems to lack game balance as it should be classified as a created being and therefore unable to benefit from healing magic, yet this was not done. Instead it is a race that has many benefits that are immensely overpowered like immunity to age, disease, and not requiring food, drink, or sleep. It is not a well designed or balanced concept lends itself to power-gaming. Golems did exist in D&D have for a longtime and there are even canon golems that have a soul trapped within them. But what balances these versions is that they are still classifed as created and cannot be healed by healing magic or by skill as they are an automaton. Likewise, their status as a golem or automaton prevents them from using many magical items as well. The difference between a warforged and a golem is game balance. One is restricted and limited by its status while the other breaks the game by changing the status to cater to player desire. My issue is not with a player who would want to play a warforged character, but with the horrible game design that WotC approved in the racial design. This is a trend WofC has done since it took over D&D and one of the reasons why the game plays more like a video game than the RPG it originated from.

[@Nyghtking]

Warforged are magitech, so like sci-fi but something that the D&D world could logically make, it would be like saying every construct is a robot or every undead is a zombie when that just isn't true, as a matter of fact there are no restrictions on what class a warforged can be, so technically a warforged could not only be a cleric or paladin, but a sorcerer in addition to classes that don't use divine power or magic.

[@alex123abc15]

If someone besides the DM demanded I changed my character I would reach into my vault of meme characters and just make his character's life a living hell.

[@johnkesot223]

I've seen this happen to players using a psionic class a bunch of times. The argument "it's to science fiction for D&D" came up a lot. The DM wouldn't care and give the go ahead to play the class and some other player would lose their mind over it. Mostly it was older players who did this but sometimes it was a young one who was taught it by their old group.

[@davidribeiro1064]

... Psionics was one of the first things added into D&D back in the 70s. I bet they would go balistic at Mystara or Expedition to the Barrier peaks...

[@TheKnightswhoplaywii]

In the words of Kibo, "How Robophobic!"

[@runedoom]

A body has been discovered!

[@Mugsi]

Turns out Gabriel was Kokichi

[@202215jaffe521]

I thing the name Gabriel have a curse to not knowing something basic, the Gabe we all love don't understand the number 3, and this Gabriel don't understand Warfoged is part of a Dnd world lol

[@vexxama]

Honestly, the other remaining characters should have turned on and killed Gabriel’s, stating that they couldn’t trust him not to betray them and how he was already a traitor to the party

[@chickenmaster0636]

Ever since I learned of war forged I’ve loved them since my introduction with Ferox the living Chaos. Or Pherox not sure how to spell his name. He’s basically crazy. He is a war forged who resides in his bunker of insanity to keep control ever while trying to save nature, tragically he has already failed his current endeavor, this is VERY abridged as I don’t think I know too much about FLC yet. He is Chaos.

[@blackcitadel9]

As soon as the cleric player started acting up like that, it should've been dealt with outside of the game. Don't try to solve (or ignore in this case) real world issues in-game

[@Wanderinpaladin]

I once had a player in a game....well I need to give some background. I was running a pathfinder game, with a custom pantheon I'd been using since third edition. Ahead of time when everyone was making their characters the cleric wanted to be a cleric of Corellon Lartheon. He was told "This isn't Greyhawk but you can pick either this war deity or be a cleric of a church that worships all the good gods." He became a Great Church cleric, he then started playing his character as insane and started attacking the party because his character worshiped and "got power" from Corellon Lartheon and we were telling him he wasn't. Needless to say we dropped him from the group.

[@twilightnight6283]

If someone demanded i change my character i would say "YOU DON'T CONTROL ME".

[@johannestempest874]

I had a co-player who had a Tiefling Warlock who wanted to use his blood for contractual purposes, but not as a facade or as a ruse, but rather as an actual power to magically force those who signed his contracts into his control. It really didn't seemed harmful at most, but it progressed into a mix of meta-gaming and role-play, that was really stressing.

[@KageRyuu6]

Actually given the Eberron setting, Warforged are very SciFi, because the entire setting is heavily Science Fantasy, Lightning powered Trains, Elemental powered Space Ships that look like Naval Cutters.

[@baxterbruce9827]

That sounds more like heavy Magitech, squarely on a line between Scifi and Fantasy, and I wouldn't have it any other way, I love that stuff

[@Boosttackle]

Still tho, playing a robot is badass

[@TKDragon75]

Had a similar thing happen where 2 of my players got really mad at me because in the game I was running, they were chasing a dimension hopping entity and they didn't like going to a space war dimension, but they failed to mention any of that dislike until they got their boyfriend to threaten me in discord for "ruining D&D" a while latter. Advice to players, if you don't like what a DM does, just tell them instead of trying to ruin there game later.

[@davidribeiro1064]

Gabriel is a One-True-Wayist wangrod.

[@SleepingGroke]

Honestly, warforged is my go to race in DND. Mostly because it gives me the most amount of freedom on what to design. I once made a pirate warforged with an anchor for an arm.

[@lockwoan01]

Guess Cleric player never heard of Eberron. It does talk about how Warforged were made. Besides, if one was to do some research, some of the earlier editions do state that there was nothing wrong with making robots.

[@tzeentchnco.7441]

Warforged are magically sentient golems/constructs. Which are pretty much possible for the dnd world, a world that is chock full of magic and constructs/golems. Christ sakes they got a sentient, worlds conquering, hivemind, eldritch alien race that is literally one of the most staple enemies in the DnD games: Mindflayers.

[@NessaEllenesse]

I have actually been accused of doing this on one occasion. We were prepping for an all warforged one shot. We all agree to play regular warforged except for this one player who just has to play a warforged charger. I point out that the charger has an ECL of +4 the one shoy was level 5 another player pointed out the 4 racial HD which meant in order for a warforged charger not completely over power the party. We would havd to be level 8. I warned the player that the DM would likely not allow it. The player made a comment about me trying to get this nixed because I didn't like it. Never mind more than one player complained about the power gap. Finally the DM showed up in chat and made an offical ruling. He picked a warforges acout because he just had to be different from thr rest of thr group.

[@samuelsoliday8241]

Being accused of being prejudiced can often be more annoying than dealing with an actual prejudiced person.

[@MrKoraboras]

Imagine good ol' Gabe stumbling into a portal to Mechanus. Dude would get 50d10 mental breakdown damage.

[@CMAzeriah]

Don't like bullies. We're it me, I would fight back and put his little anger session down the moment he glared at me.

[@devonjameson7866]

I just noticed during your intro there’s Ooghie (an Oger black smith, or crafty smith, with a sad end where he dies.) is next to Onyxia (a black dragon raised by an elf wich also ends sadly with onyxia flying away to go do amazing things). I love both those characters.

[@Soofkin]

I'm getting serious Stellaris vibes from this title... I won't lie, I have been on the cleric side before... THERE IS ONE THING WORST THEN A FILTHY XENO AND THAT IS A FILTHY EMPTY HUSKS OF THE MECHANICALS! GLORY TO ZARQLAN!!!

[@meliodasgloom1818]

Thank you citizen of the Emperor of Mankind. The Men of Iron were assholes

[@DHTheAlaskan]

*Sad binary noises*

[@articusramos808]

Me: you got lens cleaners for my krieg helmet?

[@antoniomiller367]

Let's use our imagination and have fun! NO NOT LIKE THAT!

[@tmage23]

Someone needs to run "Gabriel" through the 5e update of Expedition to the Barrier Peaks (For those of you unfamiliar, it's a first edition module where the party explores what ends up being a crashed spaceship). Science Fiction has been part of the DNA of the game for a very long time

[@marquisealexander1371]

Warforged are magical metal golems not robots.

[@tylerflory9373]

"This one does not understand the hate towards this one's kind. We are alive just like any other being. It is confused, to say the least." Clatter, The Warforged Druid

[@apollyon1987]

That must hurt to have your character utterly destroyed

[@Diresilence]

Warforged are essentially intelligent golems. While they aren't as durable (Well, most of the time), they are capable of independent thought and actions. Making them excellent soldiers (Hence Warforged), as they never hunger, tire, and can relentlessly go to war. Rather than a simple golem that can only follow simple commands, a warforged is capable of complex thought, strategy, and reasoning. While they do stand out in other settings, they can usually just be explained as golems. Even in Faerun, I played a Warforged that was essentially a modified Shield Guardian from ancient times. So no idea why 'robot' was the primary example, as Warforged lack gears and computer systems of a robot. They're wood and metal, powered by essentially a soul gem.

[@UndeadSteampunk]

How is everyone doing today

[@DHTheAlaskan]

Doing alright, what about yourself friend?

[@UndeadSteampunk]

@@DHTheAlaskan I am doing awesome to day

[@DHTheAlaskan]

@@UndeadSteampunk good to hear.

[@AdamAtYourService]

This guy would have a huge struggle comprehending the existence of Mechanus.

[@DrillTank]

o no this cant end well

[@ClamantesDaemonium]

Gabriel: apparently hates sci-fi crap Also Gabriel: character looks exactly like a Star Fleet member

[@MogofWar]

"He seemed shy at first..." Read to me as, this guy just didn't like OP.

[@dakotastein9499]

I know all about this... A DM I used to play with used to deliberately punish me whenever I played a warforged or dragonborn.

[@austinmiller2170]

When I hear about a person like this, I just imagine the rant gradually devolving into angry Donald Duck noises. Makes things a little more amusing.