Narwa and Ibushi: Looking Back at Monster Hunter's LEAST POPULAR Elder Dragons - Heavy Wings

[@HeavyWings]

Hope you all enjoyed the video! This is technically Episode 4 of a bigger series I'm working on, please check out the others! kzbin.info/aero/PLiycajElJ3oZtIjnoecBWLSM-b3nD5fB0

[@Mirawaru]

Fun fact In the Allmother fight, when you see Narwa before she transforms into allmother, her colors are all more muted than the coral palace fight. That is a thing that also happen irl with many tropical fish, that turn pale when stressed. It's a little touch of narrative I love it a lot.

[@Colton42-d7b]

Hate when people say it’s natural that she becomes allmother it’s not Ibushi sacrificed his life to narwa for their young to survive and narwa being completely stressed out when she sees her king struggling makes it even sadder love the details that the devs put in

[@teerapat861]

Zorah Magdaros not being the least popular Elder Dragon is still shocking lmao.

[@HeavyWings]

I never felt more out of touch with the MH fandom lmao

[@RustyhairedAlp9575]

@@HeavyWings World bias

[@lelecteuraplumes7566]

the ambiance of the fight is well done

[@thechugg4372]

Way more people played World so they know who he is

[@taigaaisaka6305]

All Siege quest suck. Every single one. But Zorah was by leaps and bounds the best one the series has ever done. So no, it is not at all surprising. Narwa and Ubushi just suck that much. Music and design? Cool. Actually fighting them? No thank you. They are the definition of an annoying fight and that is much worse than just being boring after the first time like Zorah or other Siege like Elder Dagons.

[@cloudwyrms9752]

Ok now that I think about it, I think the reason ibushi and narwa ranked so low is because Allmother took a majority of the votes that would’ve been theirs, also splitting the votes of the three and pushing all three lower.

[@itsyaboiguzma]

I genuinely think they should've been a bundle vote same with seltas and seltas queen. Ibushi really gets shafted due to being a.... gag rampage monster on top of it. Narwa at least had a fight but gets completely overshadowed by All mother which is the ACTUAL fight. Further doesn't help that Rise released unfinished and the story didn't end till update 3.0 MONTHS after the game initially released

[@eladblaier898]

a cool thing about allmother's theme is that it not only contains both sisters singing Ibushi's theme but also it combines Ibushi's and Narwa's themes Almost like their themes were designed to fit together like puzzle pieces

[@TheAzozoi]

Bruh what? I found their battle to be the best gimmick battle at exploiting the game's unique gimmick (wirebugs)

[@DanielMcguire-z5o]

I agree it’s sad seeing them so low they are good fights idk why most of the rise monsters were ranked so low some of the fight were very good like gods harag for example

[@SalmonTooter]

just rematched them last night with my friend who finally got to the allmother, absolute blast of a fight and it’s such a shame when there’s genuinely snore feats like zorah magdaros

[@phoenixshade001]

I disagree. Amatsu utilizes the game's unique mobility options to the fullest. Narwa is just climb this platform, shoot gun, hit Narwa ballsac

[@DanielMcguire-z5o]

@@phoenixshade001 yes I agree that the sunbreak amatsu fight is much better than narwa but narwa Is still a good fight

[@athos9293]

Amatsu's fight too in Sunbreak

[@Hawk-Eye-bs2hr]

I love World as much as the next guy but holy hell the argument of world vs rise is SO unecessary.

[@RaihanFadhilahRasyid-dx5oq]

I guess those guy that compare the two never played the old gen.

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

@@RaihanFadhilahRasyid-dx5oq indeed, I played the old games (replaying mh4u atm) I loved world and I hated rise, but im not going to be comparing the 2 games, I just play the one I like and never mention the other one

[@RaihanFadhilahRasyid-dx5oq]

@@ender_z4nd3r83 yeah if you played more game you slowly realizing that every game is good in it's own way and the argument becoming more pointless. Also hope you enjoy 4u, that game is full of grinding

[@strider7198]

I'm surprised there's a rivalry between them at all, considering you can use both games to welcome newcomers to the series

[@JamesSchulte]

Its mainly just people who only played World

[@otterex]

Allmother Narwa is the only fight Ive ever felt dissapointed to hear proof of the hero in. Her theme is just perfection

[@ShockInazuma]

To be fair, Rise's Proof of a Hero themes are pretty good as is.

[@MSTGamingTV]

Their popularity might be tank but their theme OST are banger, original version, rock remix, dance remix, all of them.

[@wongmatthew7215]

Adding their roars to that!

[@Omega-pq5xo]

Honestly,i think this might be my favorite video that you made yet, everything i want in a video really,showing the fight,armor/weapons,concept art and such Hope we get more videos like this 🙏

[@HeavyWings]

Yes I have more planned! Although likely not as big as this one.

[@darkkwaknight]

Zorah is the worst fight in the franchise and him not being least popular elder is shocking

[@denzeldelaney6578]

Fr, I had a better time fighting Lao-Shan Lung than Zorah

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

you ahvent played much mh if zorah is the worst, ibushi and narwa are just a worse amatsu

[@darkkwaknight]

@@ender_z4nd3r83 just because I said that zorah is worse does not mean I like narwa and ibushi I find both of the serpents boring and bad fights and allmother is my least favourite final boss in the franchise but I do have Times where I enjoy their fights unlike zorah or Lao also I have played lots mh games my first was 3U

[@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform]

Gen 1 Chepadrome

[@OverSeer939]

Even if you don’t like the serpents you can still say that they are actual fights unlike Lao and especially Zorah

[@deinonychus1948]

Honestly if Rise had Narwa the Allmother as the final boss after first repelling Ibushi and Narwa's base form and then defeating the elder dragon trio; these monsters would not be nearly as hated as they are... The issue is that Rise was incomplete at launch and that soured the opinions of many players, I like how Josh from RageGamingVideos described base Rise when it launched on the Switch "From start to finish, Rise is one of the best MH games... then it kinda falls off a cliff" the lack of endgame and the fact that it was clearly an incomplete game really left a bad taste in peoples mouths, it didn't bother me too much but I can see why some people left the game disappointed also note that Rise was actually the first MH game I played from day one (I literally woke up at 3am on a work day to get my character ready for when I got home later in the day), so I experienced every phase Rise went through

[@alexkogan9755]

That incomplete problem stemmed well into Sunbreak too. You don’t even get an updated cartridge when getting the Sunbreak case, just a damn code.

[@teerapat861]

@@alexkogan9755 That’s not a Rise only problem, World also had it like that. Wilds will also be like that.

[@alexkogan9755]

@@teerapat861 Iceborne had a physical disc version which came with both the base game and expansion (minus the rest of the updates which came later). They didn’t even bother with Sunbreak.

[@teerapat861]

@alexkogan9755 You’re thinking of the “Master Edition” which has the base game disc + the code for the expansion (or only the code for normal edition), in this regard , both games are exactly the same.

[@alexkogan9755]

@ the Master DELUXE edition in the steelbook case had both on disc. The only code that came in that was a knight layered set with a couple trinkets. I literally own the thing. Although yes you are correct on the regular version of it being a code only, which is still stupid.

[@themeekkat]

I found them personally more enjoyable to fight than Zorah and Xeno tbh. (Zorah isn't even a fight to be honest)

[@LoganArcania]

Although a minor mention, they do also have a unique ramp-up skill/rampage decoration, where using the armour set of the opposite serpent buffs the weapon , a really fun idea if not actually very strong in game

[@John-ii6he]

and sadly not really in a good gimmick either. Rampage hunts were a crime. I saw the vision but I dont think it was done well. It imo the armors suffered from trying to do too much instead of focusing down on skills.

[@StanleyCai]

Love the video. ❤ I love the storm serpents, and I’m glad you delved deeper into their lore and even explained their resonance with the twins. Even with Amatsu in the same game, I find Ibushi and Narwa to be completely distinct and fascinating.

[@athos9293]

Yes, the fights are NOTHING alike. Reminds me of how people often compare Shantien to Amatsu or even Lagiacrus

[@midnightboshi]

I remember you mentioning them on Twitter with the opinions tweet and poll. It made me remember my fondness for these 2. Though I do agree on the lukewarm I still have nostalgic feelings for them with this being my first Monster Hunter game! Edit: SCARLET NEXUS OST!!! LFGGGGGGGGG

[@DiablosDeviljho91]

I cannot dislike Zorah Magdaros knowing how much effort the devs put into this, they had a vision and they went for it, the first time you do it its a spectacle, but after that never again. Ibushi and Narwa on the other hand, I first disliked a lot, because I hated the fight. But especially Ibushi grew a lot on me. The music is fantastic and the moveset actually cool, the first impression was just... strange. Still dont like Narwa very much though but I cant explain why, especially Allmother. Cool music still

[@chalnervassor9430]

The way those two communicate also can be the reason why the scarlet man is always aware of different dragons well before others and gives out quests. Could be a good plot point.

[@AeolusAspect]

As someone whose favorite weapon in the series is Rise/Sunbreak Insect Glaive, Ibushi and Narwa are among my favorite monsters mechanically. It’s just so fun being able to really push the aerial mobility of the weapon to let you be hyper aggressive. That said, I would agree that Amatsu probably did overshadow them, as Amatsu eventually took their place as my preferred monster to engage in aerial dogfights. As far as their music themes go, I was pretty disappointed that none of them made it into the top 10 of the music poll, as it was very cool being able to catch the parallels with the twins’ voice actresses on my first run of each hunt. I assume part of the issues is a large percentage of people are not familiar with the twins’ Japanese voices. Watching all the context laid out definitely makes me remember why I liked fighting them so much, so I really appreciate the work you’ve put in to highlight them!

[@uberuncle714]

This kind of content is what the community needs. It is very difficult to explain in-depth all the elements that go into designing something like a MonHun final boss but you did it well. Maybe we’ll get Generations 2 in 15 years and see the Serpents again.

[@Bones_MaIone]

Great video! I really enjoyed the story analysis, going in detail on the monsters intelligence and resonance was weirdly fascinating. Also I love the serpents, getting some appreciation for them is awesome.

[@matteolucarelli4615]

While I wouldn't put them among my favourite monsters I really love the storm serpents, mostly because they were my first true MH final bosses (never got to finish Iceborne, and Xeno'jiva really doesn't have much hype leading to it IMO) and I enjoyed the fights a lot, it took me a while to master Allmother but the way they incorporate all gameplay mechanics is just perfect for the endgame fight. They also incarnate my ideal view of Elders pretty well, key element being "different" from regular monsters, not just by beign op but overall ingame presence. Honestly extremely surprised they ranked even below stuff like Yama Tsukami or Dire Miralis which had limited presence in very old games (not saying they're bad, but given the strong New Games bias in the poll I was not expecting it).

[@athos9293]

Learning more about a monster always makes you further appreciate it, even if you already liked it before

[@Link202]

This is a great video. I had never seen that skeleton of Narwa in the caves, I will boot up the game to check it out later. Thanks for all this info on the serpents, I really like them, but since I could only vote for one monster in the poll I chose Alatreon.

[@deinonychus1948]

53:27 My headcanon is that Amatsu is the reason Ibushi couldn't find Narwa in Rise; maybe during this particular breeding season, he was forced to flee from Amatsu during his journey and so he disorientated (ironic since he flies upside down lol)

[@Lucaccino17]

As an aerial insect glaive main, the fight on the ground looks like a completely different boss

[@HeavyWings]

I actually first tried fighting her with Insect Glaive but I wasn't good enough, I should try again someday.

[@Hydractive_YT]

I love them so much. Their designs, fights, and music are great.

[@JEASOUA]

they are a siege fight in my opinion, that doesn't really force you to partake in the siege mechanics. other than maybe Rampage. using the savage axe CB with air hopper wirebug skill is alot of fun. also bonking them with meteor impact.

[@jada_9827]

there is literally NO WAY people hate narwa and ibushi more than zorah magdaros... that thing is the most pathetic "boss" in gaming as a whole...

[@FlyingScott]

Zorah is a very CapCom boss though, pop his zits and profit. Still sucks doo doo though.

[@jada_9827]

@@FlyingScott truly a CRAPcom moment

[@SadMoribund]

Play Dark Souls, Bed of Chaos makes Zorah feel as exciting as fighting 4th gen G-rank Zinogre

[@HeavyWings]

Have you ever played Super Mario Galaxy 2?

[@jada_9827]

@@HeavyWings no xD

[@skiafraylalnasache]

I personally don't think Narwa and Ibushi are hated as much as the poll makes it seem. It's just that people had 3 monsters to choose from. I personally love the serpents, not enough to dethrone my current favorite monsters, but they're solid imo. That said, they're not for everyone, and I can respect that.

[@tootalltoft35]

The rise hate is crazy because Zorah is 100% the worst elder on all levels.

[@lubbo5261]

Zorah is honestly even worse than Lao Shan Lung.

[@marcheharvey2301]

It is what it is. And more hate will come to the next portable title.

[@duskanddawn8543]

As someone who loves Rise, I absolutely hate fighting these two, while I find Zorah's fight just boring

[@tootalltoft35]

@@duskanddawn8543 I love the allmother fight but I feel ya, you like what you like and dont what you dont. Yeah Zorah was cool for the cutscenes but an extremely boring fight.

[@firetools]

​@@marcheharvey2301Yeah I'm not looking forward to seeing the community become divided and toxic again once the next Portable game comes around.

[@spookyfrogs1874]

35:24 reminds me of those memes where its two jpegs of cats singing LOL this video is great, you've definitely led me to appreciate these serpents much more than i had before!!

[@bartoszoskar8836]

Once i finished rise i thought that narwa wasn't a good boss her attacks felt so slow she took alot of damage while also being really easy to hit. But after my third attempt i realised that narwa was an amazing end boss for rise because of how she wanted me to use my wirebugs and the fight just clicked with me after that and allmother just improved everithing i loved about narwa but ist kinda sad that she dosen't focus that much on her gimmick anymore instead just focosing on her fight. But still its an amazing fight and is after one of my favorite mh endbosses

[@wrestlecrazygamer7419]

Honestly what kills the two for me is their armor sets being legitimately outclassed so much by so many pieces of equipment. I love their designs, I love their music, I love how their armor looks, but gosh diddily darn it the fact that just about anything is better than their set skills kills it. It makes me personally feel like I'm wasting my time by fighting them. I don't enjoy their fights enough to fight them for fun either, which isn't to say they're bad mind you, but I didn't hate them. I also agree that Allmother was definitely too little too late.

[@superbones5000]

I think some of this comes more from how scuffed the voting was. It was more a tally of how many people had the monster as their number 1 vs how popular a monster is in general. If the goal was to test general monster popularity we should have gotten more-unlimited votes so we’d have a better idea of what monsters people liked. (Yes I’m still slightly mad so many good and amazing monsters thrown into the bottom because of the going process)

[@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform]

Athal KA’s mech being more popular than actual creatures

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

no lol, people voted their favorite that's all, if one monster is the top 1 for most people then that one is the most popular

[@HeavyWings]

The mech is really cool tbf

[@diseasedwombat5611]

@@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform were Ahtal-Ka and the Empress’ Throne separate in the poll?

[@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform]

@@diseasedwombat5611 yes

[@Ultralandonzilla]

I actually liked wind serpent ibushi

[@HeavyWings]

Yeah he's really cool, the glowing blue sacs make him look amazing.

[@Ultralandonzilla]

@HeavyWings yeah it's a shame that they are the least favorite. But I'll be honest I like how wind serpent ibushi created the apex monsters but I don't like how the apex monsters in rise are deviant ripoff, but I did like apex rathalos and apex rathian

[@bcriifna]

He has the best fight after Magnamalo out of all the base rise newcomers imo

[@JGuy97]

The Storm Serpents are very underrated monsters in my eyes, especially Allmother’s. Hell, I consider all three to be more enjoyable fights than the other Gen 5 story final bosses. For their double bite into energy ball attack, the most reliable method I’ve found for avoiding it is moving away from them for the two bites, then moving to the side to avoid the projectile.

[@evieeevee]

I really loved this video. I literally checked your channel last night to make sure I hadn’t missed an upload, lol. I like Narwa and Ibushi but I think they are really hurt by feeling like video game bosses. The platforms never felt like a natural result of their storm powers, they just feel like they’re magically there to help the Hunter. Narwa seems less intelligent cause she keeps levitating platforms right next to her weak spot, even after the Hunter has demonstrated they can hurt her that way. And the rings just seem like magic. The way the serpents’ fights go doesn’t make ecological sense for an animal or rational sense for intelligent beings who are apparently capable of speech. I do love their designs and I’m not even entirely against some Elder dragons having human level intelligence or magic like abilities, I just don’t think it was well developed or delivered here.

[@jirayasama9073]

Hell yeah! Man, this was such a great video! Very detailed and well researched. I loved Narwa and Ibushi. I really enjoyed their fights as well. In my opinion, the HR versions of their armor looked cooler to me.😄👍

[@jackofnotrades4350]

Gotta hand it to rise - Breath of Ire is one hell of a track edit: And Lady of Lightning!

[@SolarisOnyx]

Rise was my first MonHun I actually played through and while I liked and was awed by Ibushi, I can't say the same for Narwa. I actually kinda felt underwhelmed by her and I was not that big of a fan of her fight tbh

[@HeavyWings]

I remember it taking me some time to come around on her initially.

[@gojigiante]

Narwa and Ibushi are my favorite elder dragons (only like Velkhana and Nergi and Dalamadur really come close). They easily have the best designs, music, and fights out of the entire series.

[@Armbrust210]

Always a pleasure to get to watch your videos. And this one was also very well done, in addition to beeing so long. Yet it didn't get tiring for me. I'm glad you enjoy these two (or three maybe) as well and i feel like we often agree on the Monster's and mechanics of MH. Which is fun, ofc. Still looking forward to the "Benefits of loading screens" video, if that's something you still want to tackle. Although i gotta say, Rise 1.0 was *definetly* not the worst ever MH Game! That's the only take of yours i cannot possibly agree with. Not only did they manage to create an amazing game during difficult Global circumstances, it also never made me feel like other Elder Dragon's were missing. Their scarcity and not beeing able to kill them (immediately) is someting i wish they brought back more for current games. A monster beeing an "Elder Dragon" has almost lost it's meaning nowadays, with them beeing so plentiful, just roaming around happily on all maps. The late-/endgame shouldn't be just all about killing elders and making regular monsters irrelevant. I love how in Sunbreak, the Qurio infections addressed that Problem, even though i have my fair share of complaints with Sunbreak's endgame otherwise.

[@jacktotal9875]

Great Video,and with Scarlet Nexus music as well?! Awesome!

[@HeavyWings]

Played that game earlier this year, really enjoyed it. Did both routes, hope we get a sequel someday!

[@cynthiasoolihua2410]

I would love if they use the concept, more seahorse-like designs again for a new monster closely related to the serpents. That concept art made my jaw drop - so unique.

[@coolinboolin6934]

I love this video, you should definitely make more like this 👍

[@ClassyHatsVT]

The floating platforms are what really took me out of the fight, tbh. Ibushi's wind vortexes at the very least seem like they're unintended aftershocks for his attacks, but the conveniently placed platforms for him and the Narwa fights are kind of silly. Like as they fall to the ground, they just happen to summon these convenient ramps that lead right up to their weakpoint? Or how when they're at the Coral Palace, they tend to raise up these platforms with siege weapons on them, allowing you to dodge their most devastating attacks while also dealing more damage to them? It's very immersion breaking, especially since they've already established that these serpents are meant to be intelligent.

[@diseasedwombat5611]

The reason Narwa pulls up platforms around her weakpoints is because they’re attracted by electromagnetism. It’s the same for the siege weapons, which are/have metal

[@ClassyHatsVT]

@@diseasedwombat5611 I understand the reasoning, I still just think it's silly that the siege weapons are perfectly upright and functional and the platforms are perfectly positioned around her weakpoints. Like when Almudron and Jyura make platforms, it at least feels random and unintentional.

[@Lioleusu]

Love the video, amazing watch! I've always liked the serpents because they feel like "sky whales" actually done well. Properly specialised for life completely in the air, I do think I prefer Ibushi over Narwa tbh, but again great video.

[@Jayden-x1g]

The resonance thing really caught me off guard it felt like a reference to the Stories spinoffs

[@batialite5080]

I loooooove the Compedium vids! And i gotta agree, i think the release schedule of Rise really left a sour taste in folks mouths about the storm serpents. That being said, i legit think the storm duo is some of the strongest boss monster designs MH has had. I love the Four from Gen, but their designs never felt like they fit with each other. The storm duo kind of remind me of Rathalos and Rathian from the first game, and the way those two were presented. Also, maybe its just me and my interests in mythology and fantasy, but the Resonance stuff never bothered me. We got hints in this game (maybe previous ones?) that Wyverians might be descended from Wyverns in some way....and having that info, and the feeling that Ibushi and Narwa were more along the ideas and concepts of divinity made me accept Resonance rather quickly.

[@nioykak5782]

Big fan of the storm serpents and specifically want to say that breath of ire is my favorite song in all of mh, its so good

[@firetools]

I find the storm serpents very underrated. Their designs, ost, and ecology are really cool, and the fact that instead of just one Elder Dragon being the cause of the plot, it's two working together is such a neat premise that I hope Capcom revisits that idea in a future game. My only dissapointment with Ibushi and Narwa is they weren't fought together at the same time. Imagine both of them pulling off tandem attacks, combos, and bond super moves ala Teostra and Lunastra's combined supernovas. That would've been an enjoyable spectacle.

[@nuke2099]

A lot of the voting results were in part due to exposure. Some really good designs and fights from past games got low votes due to most of the community now never being exposed to them. That and almost everything in MHW got high votes because it was most of the current communities first MH game.

[@Godzillakuj94]

Goated, absolutely well done!

[@J.aime_le_pain181]

my favorite messages are the ones from the sandy plains... the crimson commet is upon us!

[@GIGACAT573]

You all have no idea of how much i want to see a game were we actually see someone die by a monster (other that Mh Stories 1 and 2)... Like imagine someone getting melted by Fatalis into his armor before your eyes before you start fighting it... It would be awesome ! But i feel like we will never see something like that...

[@hmmmmname]

All three of these fights were fun as hell with a Pierce Bow (as was Amatsu). And I'm pretty sure the main reason they were so low (relative newness and the Rise haters aside) is because their votes were split between the three of them. It was an all around solid fight that made great use of the Wire Bug, and your knowledge of timing, and spacing (though I'm not sure how the fight feels with a melee weapon).

[@thechugg4372]

I actually really hate the Hunter's Choice poll, you had to pick 3 monsters iirc but even then, there are more than a hundred monsters, how did Capcom rank those that got no votes? How did they determine ties? I think the first 3 places are the only accurate picks in the Hunter's Choice poll. Start going down the list and the voting system starts to fail hard.

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

sadly most votes are from world and rise players, a lot of the monsters wont get the recognition they should untill we see them in future games, like kutku and congalala who are returning would probably get more votes (tho kutku already got a lot of them)

[@Loldino897]

Every monster got at least 1 vote (The 1 being Steel Uragan)

[@lubbo5261]

Narwa and Ibushi being so unpopular really suprised me since in my opinion thay have some of the most fun fights in Gen 5.

[@charlieflight6124]

Uhhh... How?

[@TMatti]

you can say whatever you want bout these alien kaiju floating amatsu rip offs serpents but I swear they have the one of the best Ost i’ve ever heard, expecially Wind Serpent Ibushi. (I personally adore them in almost every aspect, fun fight, absurd design and cool ecology, ibushi sacrific, except the twin mind connection garbage)

[@HeavyWings]

Oh you don't like the Ibushi sacrifice?

[@TMatti]

@@HeavyWings no I wrote it in a wrong way sorry my English isnt great, i LOVED IT

[@AbaboucarrGuest]

​@@TMattiI like ibushi, hate narwa

[@TMatti]

@@AbaboucarrGuest what’s the reason?

[@AbaboucarrGuest]

@@TMatti generally hate narwa's ... egg sack??? I have no idea what it's meant to be

[@eugenemarshall5450]

And yes, I did use the canons/ballista,dragonators, and split wyvern Canon on Ibushi. And I did use the wyvern ride you get in the allmother fight with a ruby wirebug. For those who don't know, ruby and gold wirebugs are master rank only, and make you deal more punisher damage (the move you do when gauge is full) for ruby,and more drops for gold.

[@Boulder7685]

That JPG spin when Narwa eats Ibushi during the music section holy heck 😂

[@nerozos5106]

Wow really? Only really clicked on it cause i love the designs of these 2 dragons so much

[@eugenemarshall5450]

For my build against them, I had somewhere between 1000-13000 defense with 13 dragon res. and 30 thunder res. And they just only did enough damage to kill me in 4 hits BEFORE ENRAGE. Which sounds fine until you notice allmother specifically has a lot more health than you would expect.

[@troo_6656]

I really liked them. Not so much original Ibushi fight, but in the coral highlands 👌

[@babulbi]

Extremely surprising. All Mother Narwa is up there among the best final fights in all of Monster Hunter.

[@hopper8514]

Ibushi has one of the coolest roars Ive ever heard

[@ryhcon2842]

The serpents hold a special place in my heart, due to them being my first true boss elder dragons, I fought em a lot and had a lot of fun. Heck not too long ago I was fighting em in a second playthrough of rise with a friend….and I think I fought em too much in HR due to the fact I never died while fighting them, including all momma lol. Still way better than borah magdoras

[@John-ii6he]

I cant say they're *Great* endgame bosses, But saying they're bad is just wrong when we have lao and gaoren and zorah which should be the lowest. Out of the rise elders; i still enjoyed Ibushi/narwa MORE THAN teostra even. I think they're at most okay and at worse mediocre. They used the game's actual gimmick unlike almost the whole roster including rise exclusives. Ik ppl are gonna say "Amatsu!! Amatsu this amatsu that!!" but i do not care when that was a late post Master rank addition that dropped out of near no where. It was not part of the main game nor its main expansion, if anything, its like free DLC. Although yes it uses wirebugs far better, that isnt much of a spitting contest when only 3 monsters do it well out of a large roster.

[@VPT2]

I like there designs but there fights aren't particularly interesting, with them repeatedly summoning guns for you to shoot them which seems really dumb as well as Allmothers main attack being incredibly uncreative by MH standards with it literally just copying and pasting Ahtal-Ka's and Safi's Nova together. Honestly before the TU for you to actually finish the game came out, I figured they were going to do something very interesting. I figured they were going to force you to fight them both at the exact same time, but rather than it being Chaotic like Rathalos and Rathian, it would be more like Seltas and Seltas Queen, with the two swimming/flying around in basically perfect harmony constantly spinning like that of a DNA Hylex, while attacking you at the same time and your goal was to Desync them so that they could cause damage to each other because not doing so would spell doom for you. Instead they just had Narwa merk Ibushi and get a power up which was......really boring. It also didn't help there story was not well done either due to Rise's troubles in development and weird set-up. Zorah's a very boring fight as well, but.....he's also a giant Volcano Dragon and having a bad fight can only weigh you down so far when your design looks that fucking cool. Its hard to find an elder to geniuenly hate, but for sure Rise's development did not allow them to really get a good time to shine at all.

[@HeavyWings]

It's funny you say this because I do talk about this in Chapter 6. That being said I wish I had compared it to Seltas and Seltas Queen, kicking myself for that one!

[@firetools]

I really agree with you there, I like Ibushi and Narwa but my biggest dissapointment with them was couldn't be fought at the same time. I really thought the story of Base Rise was building up to such a unique fight, but instead we just immediately defeat a weakened Ibushi who then only serves to be Narwa's power-up.

[@pikachuyip1478]

I think that Ibushi has an Event Quest that you can fight and defeat it. In Master Rank is officially still fight it without doing the exclusive event quest.

[@xemiii]

The bit towards the end elaborating on their placement in the Hunter's Choice Poll really illustrates to me that it wasn't a good system. If they were just going to have people choose favorites, then I think they should've given multiple votes with different weights (one vote worth 3 points for a favorite, two worth one for liked monsters perhaps). Frankly I don't like the approach because it isn't very thorough. This is why I'm interested to see the results of CR-Volcanic's community poll, as it uses a 5 star system for every single monster, so people can be more specific as to how much they like multiple monsters, and not just which one is their favorite. I imagine such a poll will be a lot harder to sort the results of than the official poll, but I think that a company as large as Capcom could've put in the effort for the anniversary of what is currently their biggest franchise. Also interesting to hear about other examples in the "resonance" in the franchise. As nice as it is to know it's not just something they pulled out of their ass, I still don't think it's handled well. The fact it's comparable to World's plot isn't great as that game's plot isn't good either (bioenergy am I right). This could be something future games use well though, as the idea that the strongest elder dragons, which are already quite fantastical, have such mystical powers as telepathy is not bad on its own. Playing it up in a similar way to the rampage could be good; that these monster's otherworldly powers drive the life around them mad, to the point that some affected monsters become harbingers of the chaos. Overall I hard agree that Ibushi's rampage quest is great. I also value a fight having the right vibes, and the notion that a storm god has parted the waves of crazed monsters to directly attack Kamura is really threatening. Ibushi also has really nice music and a fantastic design, and while the fight isn't my favorite it is appropriately difficult for the point it's at in the story. I wish I could say I feel as strongly about Narwa, but her themes don't work for me and her fight is just fine. Crazy that Zorah isn't less popular than these two, because wow its quests are terrible.

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

the poll was for favorite monster, not the best monster, if it was a poll of who is the best mosnter (and people voted objectively, which wouldn't ever happen in real life) the poll would have been different, but ibushi and narwa would still be in the lower half of the poll

[@ShukakuTheCrazy1]

Allmother Narwa has one of my favorite themes in the game, topped out by cameleos

[@omega13whitelucario95]

Tbh fight wise im neither here nor there for the normal forms All Mother though is a fight that just stresses me out but with Companions it takes away the stress for me Still if i had to pick favorite Elder its not them Though the rest of the stuff is really solid imo

[@VVabsa]

I do think the implication of a Zorah being the Guiding Lands also mattered.

[@azure292]

I feel it get's forgotten that these came out around the time covid first happened and the entire world went on lockdown and like or hate the broken release of base rise this was absolutely a huge factor of why. as for the fights themselves I enjoy them allmother is a bit of a pain in the ass with great sword but that's a personal issues so not a mark against the monster.

[@shizathoth4534]

I actually really loved the serpents. I also was lucky enough to take a break before High Rank, so the Allmother was already in by the time I got there. I definitely liked Amatsu more as a fight, but the serpents are not far behind. I’d say they are more even to me as far as design and general concept goes. That said, I prefer the music of the serpents by a good bit. Never knew about the seahorse theming until now, and that just makes me like them even more, since it adds a real world anchor that helps ground them just enough without compromising their otherworldly vibe. Seahorses are monogamous and pairs reinforce their bond by dancing not unlike the serpents do in their intro. So despite being more akin to deities than regular monsters and even other Elder Dragons, they still bear resemblance to something that is very real. Besides, pretty much everything in the ocean is alien shit, so their designs become a little less weird if you realize they are just sea creatures who mistook the air for water. Also, I wouldn’t say they are the most mid Elder Dragons when Velkhana exists-

[@tratamarack441]

Their main problem is that they look way too similar to amatsu, we even speculated that amatsu is the final boss before the release. They even have similar theme, being storm based elder dragon. They even added freaking amatsu in the game after that! Giving it turf war with a thunderlord zinogre! Like, seriously? Being overshadowed in your own game? The other problem is that they rely too much in story, and at that point, our opinion on monster hunter's story writing are still greatly affected by world's AMAZING back-seating experience. The resonance thing happening with MHFU white fatty tho, i never thought of it that way, i just thought that this is just yet another wacky monster hunter quest description. With how magic fatalis lore is, that could actually be the case, or it might even be a polymorphed fatalis (or part of them) talking directly, since they can allegedly revive through people wearing their armor, the girl might be wearing a dress made with white fatalis' hair or scale, allowing somekind of possession. But the kokoto village chief resonance is a reach, its clearly just a tutorial.

[@ChadianRoyal]

Man, you are an amazing PR agent. I enjoyed the serpents, but I didn't realize how much I did cause their designs, fights, and their themes are amazing. And the lore with Resonance makes me hate it way less

[@Toastymarshmallow80]

The palico armor of Ibushi and Narwa kind of reminds me of Shara Ishvalda's.

[@hollowsmough]

At first, I despised Ibushi when I got to the rampage fight, but as farmed him for some weapons (I love all of their weapons), I came to really enjoy the Ibushi Fight. Narwa, and by extension, Narwa the All-AOES, I do believe to pretty poorly made fights as I find myself constantly having to sheath my weapon to wirebug onto rocks, and it gets very tedious. Then Allmother spits out just constant AOEs while always seeming to move away. I wouldn’t either Narwa fight is worse then Zorah, but I’d still say Narwa is bottom barrel for elder fights.

[@AyBee9725]

Wait, there’s a version of the Allmother hunt where Malzeno drops in? I’ve never seen this… where is it? In optional quests? Are there special conditions or things to do to unlock it? I’ve finished sun break and even primezeno but I don’t remember this…. Edit: your video has convinced me to go back and play Rise all over again. I’ll wait for Wilds to get more optimization before I touch that volatile landmine again… so back to Kamura I go!!!

[@drxavier1870]

The popularity vote definitely had some weird shit going on, not just the Storm Serpents but stuff like Yian Kut Ku beating Bloodbath Diablos and Abyssal Lagiacrus in the top 20 despite only being in 1 game

[@shutup1037]

it's world bias vote. Lot of people who play it never cared of previous games

[@Tyranid_Hive_Mind]

You can't deny that bazelgeuse is 52nd place is very fitting

[@gigahertz7352]

​@@shutup1037 so what? People have their own choices if they only want to play the game they like, it's capcom's fault for doing the pop vote in the 1st place, they should have just made each game instead of overall, i played risebreak, and yea too bad it was the least favorite but it is what it is, and i only played mhw and rise so no chance on going for older titles i dont want to punish my self as an aging gamer

[@ThatsOk83]

Yeah people play too much into memes with Yian Kat Ku and now we have it in Wilds. I hope they’re happy. I doubt we’ll be seeing Bloodbath and Abyssal Lagi any time soon tho even if they ranked high

[@RaihanFadhilahRasyid-dx5oq]

​@@ThatsOk83 bloodbath really needs to return because of it is a flagship along with gammoth that only appear in one game (two if you include gammoth in mhgen and mhgu

[@AyBee9725]

So I’m at the sort and more part of the video and it got me thinking… the way the serpents resonated with the twin sisters who are Wyverians… maybe Amatsumagatsuchi did the same with Kagero and it cause some mass disaster somehow, for which Kagero has survivor’s guilt… idk. Could this in play a connection between certain monsters and Wyverians? Who tf knows.

[@Boredom_Incarnate]

9:50 wait.. So the lightning that shoots up from the ground won't apparently hit you while you're knocked down, but lightning that comes down from the sky will? Rise' hitboxes just feel messed up.

[@aiexmonsterhunter]

Base Ibushi and Narwa were quite underwhelming and I can understand why not so many people like them. Having said this, Allmother is IMO one of the coolest most climatic fights in Rise and one of my favorite final boses in MH, second only to Ahtal-Ka.

[@ShukakuTheCrazy1]

I will tackle the triple bite over the dragonator BS any day

[@OrangePopPlayz]

The dragonator attack is the easiest thing ever to dodge if you just bring a small barrel bomb, just throw it under you and don’t stand up you’ll get pulled into the middle and be safe after that ball explodes

[@ChickVanCluck]

These two are soooooo smart that they give you perfect platforms to kill them, "Oh, sorry, you can't hit my weakpoint from down there, I should give you some ground to stand on", "Oh, that's not enough? how about some ballistae"

[@eclipzex77]

11:34 we got Sapphire of the Empeor at home

[@bobisuncanny2760]

43:05 There's also the Resonance element that pretty much added sauce on the already bad sign that is being assigned to Rise. A lot of people saw this weird ass concept being executed in a "Rise" way and draw harsh conclusion like MH never had elements of magic before. Even tho the situation here is more akin to sci-fi telepathy elements. There's nothing to properly hate on 2 Wyvernians being able to indirectly hear and interpret EDs thoughts. It just make the twin serpents cooler, the whole family of ED even more otherwordly. And the people seemingly closer to monster than humans even more mysterious. Nothing too on the nose or absurdly out of character for MH

[@ChaoticRules]

I want to see a video titled:the history of final boss monsters

[@HeavyWings]

I've considered it but I'm not sure how to do it in a way that's interesting.

[@ChaoticRules]

@@HeavyWings maybe just do like unique bosses,like gogmazios

[@christunpouncy2725]

23:56 that poor rathian 😭

[@DerpHerper]

Thunder Serpent Narwa's fight blows the pants off of Xeno'Jiva's fight. Xeno'Jiva's design may have been cool, but that fight was ASS.

[@tigerx36]

I can understand the serpents being so underwhelming. Zorah Magdaros was kinda the same. But these three weren't that bad in a game like Rise but can see how they wouldn't fit anywhere else. The fights were on edge, the music fit for each monster. Narwa still gives some good weapons.

[@dakotadeskins6309]

Something i wish people understood is rise was made at the peek of covid everything took hits to content fuck covid killed rainbow six siege now we dont get any context these days so like the fact they kept working on the game and tired giving us a new gameplay break with rampages is wonderful they tried and failed but they made it really successful after a few updates and made sunbreak so i hate when people just dog on the game it was enjoyable its a good game but rise 1.0 is ABSOLUTLY ASS but can we appriciate what they did do with it

[@Spike2276]

53:49 Yeah, i'm shocked the Dodo got ranked that low too. I mean, bro is easily top 10.

[@bread3824]

ibushi,s concept art kinda reminds me of sea slug Blue glaucus

[@AbaboucarrGuest]

Hell yeah

[@FireyDom]

Wind serpent Ibushi is one of my favourite monster😢

[@ZeroTheOtter]

Ibushi is honestly one of my favorite monsters ever, Narwa and all mother are fine but I just prefer Ibushi

[@inhanh2351]

Both of them (especialy Allmother) have insanely good battle theme, i'm gotta say it is one of best theme in Rise: Sunbreak so far But the designs, with me, gross. But don't get me wrong, i pretty like Narwa