NASA announces the final verdict for Boeing Starliner!

[@EngBob49]

Government releases bad news on Fridays. This is so bad they announced it on SATURDAY!!

[@galaxya40s95]

Pre-Conference discussion start: 5:40 NASA conference start: 30:28 AA's Post-Conference reaction start: 1:02:08

[@williamcase426]

30:38

[@galaxya40s95]

​@@williamcase426 Thanks

[@executivesteps]

I gave up when the reporter from KHOU-TV asked about how the astronauts will feel about “missing the holidays with their families”. What a stupid question! I wonder how they feel about a fiery re-entry where then get incinerated on Starliner?

[@davidelang]

I suspect that both of them value the additional 6 months in space at this point in their careers more than 'holiday with their families'

[@tonyug113]

slightly toasty

[@ThatGuyKazz]

You're not wrong and it is definitely the right call to make but they are still humans with lives that I am sure would have preferred to not have their 8 day mission turn into 8 months. Sure they are astronauts and knew that it was a possibility when they climbed on a rocket but that doesn't mean that's what they wanted.

[@davidelang]

@@ThatGuyKazz I expect that this will be their last trip to space for NASA, they are both very experienced with multiple 6 month trips to the ISS. If this was your last chance to do what you've trained your entire life for, I think you would be thrilled to get to do it longer than expected (I'll point at Sunni's obvious joy as she entered the station this trip)

[@mattsapero1896]

Why do reporters assume they’re not atheists? Maybe their bios refer to religions to appease the Bible thumping nut jobs who make funding decisions.

[@rorykeegan1895]

I bet Boeing are doing their absolute best to get NASA to cancel Starliner. Carrying on is going to cost them a small fortune.

[@pakviroti3616]

It has already cost them a small fortune.

[@EngBob49]

Correction, a large fortune!

[@robburrows9786]

Unlike SpaceX, Boeing contract is still BASICALLY cost plus, you just have to read the fine print.

[@Ask-a-Rocket-Scientist]

@@robburrows9786this is the first I’ve heard of this. There should be a line item in the NASA budget.

[@JarrodFLif3r]

I believe if they cancel, their contract says they have to pay NASA back.

[@FerociousPancake888]

Man it has been a BAD year to be a Boeing employee with a bunch of vested stock. I feel bad for the employees. This all has become very clear that these issues arose from poor decisions at the senior leadership and executive levels. I’d go work somewhere else at this point..

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

What surprised me is that Nelson just about admitted that bad management caused the 2 shuttle accidents. I mean, gobsmacked. My respect for him has risen slightly.

[@thomashong2938]

Bad management caused the 2 shuttle accidents and the Apollo 1 fire.

[@JarrodFLif3r]

Bill Nelson was on the last shuttle mission before Challenger. They landed just 10 days before the catastrophy. The commander on Bill's flight was Hoot Gibson who was also the commander on STS-27, the closest call with severe tile damage, yet NASA never fully considered ET foam or SRB debris could cause the heat shield tiles to fail. Bill mention Hoot in the conference so I have to believe that not only were shuttle failures on his mind, he may have even consulted with Hoot before making his decision. I do think Starliner will have issues upon re-entry as the thrusters are crucial for the correct re-entry attitude...if it survives that then it could still have a parachute failure.

[@botto80]

Crazy how many times they thanked Boeing. Never once thanking SpaceX

[@ichliebedich3149]

They have to. They are working together. And they act as representatives of NASA and not on personal behalf. BUT not thanking SpaceX is insane! U are 100% right about that one... But im sure they will when they brought the crew back safely!

[@rainbowdrive1961]

all political and we all know it.

[@Julian-1111]

Money laundering

[@hawkdsl]

"they didn't thank SpaceX, reee!" What fandom cucks, lol. The thank you will be in the form of a check... Which is far more important action than lip service.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

SpaceX is always the silent savior. And they are cool with it. Gwynne Shotwell is a no-nonsense and rational woman, not seeking the spotlight for some achievement. Elon does that :P

[@tonyug113]

Boeing skimped on testing (and quality) to meet commercial targets...

[@jamesgibson3582]

NASA, Aerojet and Boeing were involved in the testing. It would be intetesting to see what tests they skimped on. Seems like if it was on the list they should have done it!

[@JarrodFLif3r]

If you remember the testing phase, NASA forced Dragon to test and re-test their parachutes ultimately resulting in the current 4 chute design....Boeing did not see as much scrutiny and even had a parachute failure on their pad abort test yet NASA concluded it was good enough. Had this happened with Dragon, I am certain they would have called it a failure. Boeing also never did an in flight abort test..they ran computer simulations that NASA deemed good enough. I do think Boeing did mostly 'simulated' test instead of saying hot firing the thrusters until failure like SpaceX does. This in my opinion is one of many reasons why Starliner is having so many problems. They never actually tested the majority of the ship, instead relied on computer simulations..that obviously was extremely flawed.

[@jamesgibson3582]

@@JarrodFLif3r i think computer simulations should be a ''trust but verify' process. The paperwork for certification might need to be revisitrd.

[@southofhollywood4199]

According to NASA we all owe Boeing a big thanks. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@arthurlong442]

Boeing says it has lost $1.6billion on StarLiner, so far. How much money has NASA pissed away that we will never know about? Boeing is responsible to their stockholders to a acknowledge financial losses, but NASA has no obligation to detail their losses to us tax payers.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

If I were NASA I'd ask SpaceX if they would be willing to open a second dragon development and construction facility, producing slightly different versions of dragon, but still compatible with original dragon on critical points (like the suits for example!). It would yield two different vehicles but both gradually profiting from each other's upgrades. Elon Musk might just decide to foot the investment bill himself.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

At the same time, Butch and Sunni are the luckiest Astronauts ever, getting their week's stay extended with 8 months

[@Ask-a-Rocket-Scientist]

NASA is welfare for engineers. They would be pissing away money on SLS if it weren’t for this fiasco.

[@hawkdsl]

Nonsense. NASA budget and spending is 100% public record.

[@friendlyone2706]

@@hawkdsl If you know the right questions to ask and how to ask them. There's a reason The Freedom of Information Act is an act of congress.

[@debbied2715]

Thanks so much for covering this live!

[@davidlane2069]

Bill Nelson MAY mean 100% for Boeing for cargo, the only thing I'd let them carry 😉

[@AndrewHillis_2024]

1:05:15 "DON'T PISS ON MY LEG AND TELL ME THAT IT IS RAINING ! ! !" WELL SAID JORDAN (ANGRY) AND YOU TELL BOEING ! ! !👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@crying2emoji5]

I am very grateful that NASA has chosen to do the safe thing for Suni & Butch. I feel bad for them, but I suppose that, as test pilots for a space agency, they were trained and prepared for something like this. I am mostly just bummed that Starliner didn’t work out as well as I hoped it would. I hope Boeing can pull through this bs. I want everyone to succeed. The more redundancy, the better.

[@morgananderson9647]

Sadly, Boeing deserves a participation trophy... It's corporate culture excellence (Nee McDonnel Douglas merger...) is the same thing being pushed throughout our society including stressing DEI emphasis. Thanks Jordan for your terrific space coverage!

[@MrBoomersfriend]

I gotta admit I’m gonna love watching the Starliner crew come down courtesy of SpaceX and dragon

[@joeont]

The starliner has the feel of a project where the engineers and project managers kept on quitting and getting replaced and the whole project lacks any coherent direction.

[@matthewakian2]

I for one hope Boeing could sort out the issues with the Spacecraft, so there can be two reliable US spacecraft able to take crew to the ISS.

[@eclecticllama22]

I’m sorry I missed the live. So glad you posted this. Stay angry! My only thought: think about where we would be if starliner was the only option we had?

[@jtjames79]

Bwahahaha. 😂 If it's Boeing, NASA ain't going.

[@favorites673]

SpaceX dragon has a better design in that all of the thrusters are in the capsule and are returned home where they can be reviewed for performance. The Boeing design discards most of the thrusters with the service module to burn up in the atmo. So, they can’t be tested and reviewed. For a reusable design, that is a fundamental flaw. Note that Dreamchaser will carry its thrusters home for retesting as well.

[@paulehney4581]

Given that ACS has been around since the days of the X-15, the fact Boeing can't get it right should tell NASA it's time to stop throwing money at something that's nothing more than a jobs program.

[@ChristopherParsons-fd9kz]

So what I’m hearing is that they have no intention of getting Boeing and space x to work together on a single mission to get the astronauts home it would be a huge step forward to get this done however the possibilities of doing it are very great and I believe it would also set a precedent for safety by leveraging the talents and resources of both companies you can get new technologies and raise public confidence in future missions

[@stephensimpson5283]

After all these years of space flight, how on earth are we having problems with bloody thrusters?!?! Not just on this flight but the other one as well. Should never have gone up like this. I'm angry about space!

[@debbied2715]

It would be great to actually see you live since I live 1 hr south

[@deanpollard2869]

They don’t want the Astronauts Dead.

[@williamcase426]

so sad if they die 😥

[@teling2134]

Starliner gats a participation thanks from NASA

[@NOM-X]

Boeing needs to start by fixing its problem on the ground before getting serious about space flight. There plate is empty at this point, and everything is closed except X. I said this weeks ago ",Dragon will save the crew." Now its happening. Boeing is trying to prove, and recover, and moving way to fast for its pace. I don't like to down talk big companies because I'm just the little guy. Butttt, I study this, and it should've never flown. Its like driving when you know your out of gas. Think about it. thanks for the episode Jordan.

[@Indecisive7337]

God these guys are slow in making decisions, if it had been the other way round and Space X was in this situation “All Hell Would Have Broken Out”. I just hope the guys serving time on the ISS get a bloody good pay day after this fiasco.

[@jimtussing]

We have two. Dragon and Soyuz.

[@williamcase426]

Soyuz bad. Booo on Soyuz

[@johnbuchman4854]

Scuttle the Flatliner.

[@kastenolsen9577]

I have not seen the video from nasa but as a psychic, I am getting a sense of death. Death of people or starliner I do not know.

[@davidr1801]

oxford ,england..looking forward to your views

[@kastenolsen9577]

I am glad they made the correct decision to return the crew on a Dragon mission.

[@Xenuphobia]

Now after the Nasa news conference we now know that the nasa starliner crew will return on Dragon next year - well done nasa! Now we will see what happens with starliner return - maybe a disastrous return with a huge audience and NO fatalities. At that point Nasa can drop Boeing as an alternative spacecraft. Boeing is a dying corporation as long as the company is ran by MD executives who treat it as a money draft horse. Done!

[@saquist]

Frankly I wanted to hear all the questions from the press conference. Hearing from the professionals should be prioritized.

[@deanpollard2869]

It was an excellent explanation

[@paulricketts1089]

..."WHEN??"....how about "IF"??..............

[@deanpollard2869]

How is everyone today

[@JWPGuitarPickups]

Junk it. The whole program. Just like the jet, I'll be the door blows off on re-entry.

[@Zeett09]

When Thiokol screwed up the o ring design NASA threw money at them and “helped” solve the problem. NASA always “helps” the large contractors.

[@NOM-X]

T-TEB error. That's just my perspective after hearing that fuel was being sucked in, not pushed out.

[@Ryan-mq2mi]

I wish you would’ve cut that off mid questions.

[@lawrenceboarerpitchford5732]

Boeing got how much American taxes to create this failure? NASA should get back some of that money.

[@brentanderson1130]

They never once said spacex

[@hawkdsl]

Reeeee!

[@TheCNYMike]

"Final Verdict"? No, not yet. First we get it back to Earth around September 6. Assuming that goes well--and it has returned unmanned twice before--fix the service modules being built for the next Starliner flights. One step at a time.

[@keithmcknight7646]

Sierra Nevada SHOULD HAVE kept developing crew Dream Chaser! Bezo’s SHOULD have been developing a crew vehicle also, not just that joy ride capsule 🤣🤣🤣.

[@jfchonors8873]

Politicians from FL will want the program to continue rather than layoffs of hundreds of employees working in their state on this lemon

[@deanpollard2869]

Good afternoon

[@deanpollard2869]

Starliner = Setting Cash to FLAME

[@michaelvonfeldt9629]

I don’t even want to fly in Boeing planes and I’m definitely not sitting next to the door. We all knew Starliner would fail, glad no one was so far.

[@Steve-Richter]

yeah, there are only thousands of successful flights every day.

[@barracuda7018]

​@@Steve-Richter Ryan Air flies the largest Boeing fleet in the world since its foundation, not a single fatal accident...How is that posdible???

[@Steve-Richter]

@@barracuda7018 good pilots and crew?

[@tma2001]

@@barracuda7018 there was a close call last Dec when a 737 max dived on approach to Stansted. If its Boeing I ain't going!

[@michaelvonfeldt9629]

@@Steve-Richter all by Airbus 😋

[@deanpollard2869]

Total waste of money

[@gregkelly2145]

Starliner is a polished turd. No further polishing will result in it being anything other than a shiny, smelly turd.

[@Lappillainen]

The biggest question is not if starliner survives the reentry, it os the reentry burn.

[@chippysteve4524]

CFT - Couldn't Fly for Toffee!

[@carlettoburacco9235]

80 bloody days to proudly decide: - we put cheese instead of teflon. BTW cheese is not suitable for the environment in space and the temperatures in operation. Who would have thought? - we have done thousands of simulations that we never thought of doing before sending those two up. - we have to "reconfigure" the software for the autonomous return of Starliner that we have not "configured" from the beginning, we do not know yet if it works. Anyway it will take weeks. - we have to evaluate how much money we lose and how much face we lose before deciding. (and how much money it will cost us in lobbyists "doing favors" to politicians to stay in work with NASA) The best way to go to space.... never, even paying billions.

[@JarrodFLif3r]

I believe Starliner has at least a 1 in 3 chance of a serious to catastrophic failure upon re-entry. Serious would be missing the landind zone, 1 of 3 parachutes failing..issues that would not result in a loss of crew. Catastrophic would be not having the proper attitude upon re-entry resulting in the capsule burning up or getting too hot for survival inside, total parachute failure, ect .

[@gerardpalmer4185]

Starliner, the space turd, horse flies included!

[@nickfutter6544]

Thank goodness NASA made the right decision and also thank goodness for the Dragon capsule and all the amazing people at SpaceX

[@Nemophilist850]

ISS will probably hang around longer than we expect.

[@AndrewHillis_2024]

WHY AM I REMINDED OF THAT SCENE IN THE FILM "THE RIGHT STUFF" WHERE GUS GRISSOM & SCOTT CARPENTER ARE IN A BAR & GUS SAYS TO SCOTT CARPENTER, "DON'T SCREW THE POOCH ! ! !" ? ? ?🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@eddiegaltek]

If this was a test-flight why is the Starliner not capable of returning autonomously? One of the scenarios must have been that it's not safe to return with the crew?

[@jlmwatchman]

First, my assumption is that if the astronauts were flying back in the Starliner, they should have left within a month. Hanging on the ISS for months couldn’t have been good for a Starliner that was just made to stay for 8 days. ‘Wasn’t it made to stay up there for at least six months, for the astronauts to escape! If the debris from the satellite that the Russians blew up?’ I think that threat has passed, but there are many reasons for an emergency departure! Angry is so dramatic, ‘No one is putting a nail in any coffin. If Boeing has no/excess failures in the next test flights, it will be used?’ The taxpayers spent too much for a spaceship that won't be used.??’

[@davidlane2069]

From Knoxville Tennessee 😁

[@dirkdouglass6593]

The guy calls white sands a 🎁, that an expensive gift that we payed for 😢

[@Happyland_Motel_Gamer_Cat]

44:40 Geez man! are they aloud to look at the window and look for cool phenomena, personally this is what i am interested in 👽

[@davidlane2069]

In fact I'd contract SpaceX to fit 4 jump seats to Cargo Dragon and store the seats on ISS before I'd let Boeing carry my worst enemy

[@womble321]

So who is at fault and who will pay?

[@ichliebedich3149]

Boing. But hey u can always sue!

[@sammydude8566]

"You can bet your BOOTS!"

[@starman2337]

Crewed access to ISS, or crude access to ISS?

[@yomanyo327]

Goooo Dream Chaser!

[@tscchope]

Doesn't ISS safety protocol dictate that when a spacecraft undocks from the ISS all crew remaining on board the ISS have to be on their respective spacecraft? Where are Butch and Suni going to go, when Starliner undocks?

[@charlesblithfield6182]

Vintage Angry @1:03:12

[@TheSietch]

What is «shortly»? Another hour?

[@AndrewHillis_2024]

STARLINER IS A "SHIP OF FOOLS ! ! !"🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@williamcase426]

SINKING ON THE SHIP OF FOOLS

[@matim9128]

BUREOUCRATIC FOOLS!!

[@dionysus2006]

Dream Chaser was mentioned but even if man-rated it wouldn't have a LES and so shouldn't be allowed to fly astronauts.

[@kastenolsen9577]

Will the craft burn up on re-entry, or will it be scrapped, or will it be redesigned?

[@dionysus2006]

If uncrewed Starliner makes it back with no issues I would guess that NASA would require a CFT-2. Given Starliner history this would be in August of 2026. If that went well then they would be certified as a commercial crew supplier and the contract calls for 6 missions alternating with Crew Dragon at the rate of one a year. So let's say the first certified mission is in 2027 due to logistics, followed by missions in 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032 (assuming the ISS is not deorbited earlier, but come on they said they would deorbit in 2030 so they won't do it until 2033 or 2034). So, there is still time for it to happen.

[@womble321]

No way that guy is fit to run Nasa.

[@ichliebedich3149]

I freakin love him! If u didnt realize, he talked SO MUCH shit about Boing xD So i dont know if u are stupid or hate him for whatever reason to acknowledge his position. But u are wrong.

[@williamcase426]

he is

[@NAV-tv7xf]

Absolutely the right decision. Good for NASA.

[@deanpollard2869]

South NJ

[@ntilewills5679]

I heard NASA is now looking at getting bids from Frontier Airlines....lol

[@saquist]

Don't take was Angry Astronaut says too literally. The thrusters on the capsule are fine. Thus reentry isn't a problem. The problem is undock and deorbit which is done by the thrusters in the trunk of the spacecraft which is ditched before reentry. Malfunctioning thruster on the trunk would affect undocking and deorbit. That means a collision could occur with the space station OR Starliner could miss it's reentry window and end up landing far from it's designated splash down location. Reentry angle is controlled by the capsule thrusters that seem just fine.

[@tonyug113]

Anyway this is not boeings main business , so stock shouldnt be that effected

[@jmf5246]

Boeing is now a DC lobbying firm for Federal contracts and then outsources the actual work to low cost manufacturers. They really are not even an aerospace firm anymore

[@okman9684]

A beautiful company ruined by the management

[@deanpollard2869]

Not a Chance Boeing .

[@thepianocoverman1800]

How is it that Spacex can figure it out but Boeing can't? I suppose they can't ask SpaceX for help to solve their problems.

[@neon.kalash3115]

Engineering feedback loop. Unfortunately saddled with a temperamental design

[@keithmcknight7646]

SpaceX is MAINLY run by engineers, NOT bean counters!

[@brianw612]

Like any launch provider, Space X is always potentially one mission away from disaster. People need to realize that. What if a Dragon burns up on reentry? That is a possibility.

[@andrewc662]

@@brianw612 Yeah, but Starliner has had problems every mission. Big difference.

[@tma2001]

@@brianw612 the huge difference between SpaceX and old space is the size and launch frequency of their fleet, both crewed and uncrewed. They have so much flight reliability statistics that they can pinpoint and fix any issue in hours rather than weeks - look at how long they were grounded after the recent upper stage failure oxygen leak.

[@jazzlover10000]

Sad situation. The astronauts involved... this is all really unfair to them.

[@michaelvonfeldt9629]

lol Boeing is a joke. NASA should abandoned Boeing

[@JamesMcCabe703]

Make sure they pack up all the trash from ISS and then send it to burn up. Then cancel the damn contract with Boing boing.

[@dennisfoley8403]

Manchester, New Hampshire

[@jasonviberg9807]

They should simply strap those rocket jockeys into Starliner and get away from the ISS. Odds are much better 10%. The odds of not making it would be less than 0.45% based on what I've seen.

[@chrisohanlon9784]

Just getting on any Boeing is risky in space or not

[@matthewpalmer9820]

One thing to consider about Starliner, is that the issue is with the Service Module, the expendable part,and they are flying the original ones they built. After this flight, I am sure they will correct the issues in the original ones and build more. Too little too late, but, hopefully things improve.

[@GlutenEruption]

Also important to note is that the thrusters, valves, and seals were all designed and built by Aerojet rocketdyne, not Boeing. Although ultimately it's Boeings fault for not uncovering the problem in testing, I don't imagine anyone would even consider a contractor as experienced and capable as rocketdyne would fail so spectacularly. I would be pretty PO'd if I were Boeing

[@matthewpalmer9820]

@GlutenEruption not too mention, the RS-83 was developed 20+ years ago, and were never flown until Boeing chose them for Starliner.

[@jamesgibson3582]

​@@matthewpalmer9820from what I recall that engine was a significant improvement over its predeccessor.

[@favorites673]

Are these new thrusters from Aerojet?

[@TheSietch]

I really expect some “rude behaviour” and “explosive rants” here…

[@williamcase426]

😡😡efff boeing and thier stupid space thing 😡😡

[@wayofflow955]

What is after iss/2030?

[@ajctrading]

Hu effing ray, NASA finally put human life in front of PR and brand protection for Boeing.

[@dks13827]

D.....E.........I...........?????

[@DamienZachariah]

Here's some questions for thought: If the Stuckliner is so dangerous how on Earth was it EVER certified for spaceflight and contingency plans not drawn up then? How is this FUBAR going to affect upcoming missions and programs like Artemis let alone any Mars mission? It saddens me to think that a full 55 years ago we set foot on the moon ; this docking stuff should have been standardised years ago!

[@jamesgibson3582]

By the sounds of it, the orbital heat modelling they had for the doghouses wasn't accurate for some reason and the design for the teflon poppets in the thrusters on the oxidative tank side were built to that model. The spacecraft passed certification, and the issue didn't occur until they got to orbit. On the 'helium problem' all rockets have helium leaks to some degree from what I understand.

[@thomashong2938]

Starliner has not yet achieved human-rating certification. A successful Boeing-Crew Flight Test mission would have done that, just like the successful SpaceX Demo-2 mission did for Crew Dragon.