nasal vowels in French & Portuguese

[@SrAlliphe]

Portuguese has also nasal diphthongs: ɐ̃w̃, ɐ̃j̃, õj̃, ẽj̃ˈ, etc...

[@kodekadkodekad4380]

French has 4 nasal vowels, not 3: ɑ̃, ɛ̃, ɔ̃ and œ̃!

[@sortingoutmyclothes8131]

In my opinion, modern standard French from France no longer pronounces its nasal vowels the way they're traditionally expressed in the IPA, I think /ɛ̃/ is actually [ã], /ɑ̃/ is actually [ɔ̃] and /ɔ̃/ is actually [õ] or even [ũ].

[@Gadottinho]

Yeah, even in this video, the pronunciation is way "off"

[@whok0z335]

In Quebec we still do!😊

[@marcdemont]

For all native French speakers (speakers from the past colonial empire included), there are no confusion between [ɛ̃], [ɑ̃], [ɔ̃]. The fourth one [œ̃] (still in use in South of France and Quebec) survives to discriminate a few words ("brin" vs "brun"), although it is often a class marker (In Northern France, at least). Now, it tends to disappear, I would agree. I would also agree with the shifting that you are describing, but it is more a regional variation (South of France) and it is not as marked as you seem to think. Personally, I still teach the 4 nasal vowels because any native speakers would not only be able to hear the variation but would also be able reproduce it.for all native speakers (French speakers from the colonial empire included)

[@daimonas0]

I think it's more like : /ɛ̃/ -> [æ̃] /ɔ̃/ -> [õ] /ɑ̃/ -> [ɒ̃]

[@Alcam211]

As a Spanish trying to learn Portuguese, I'm sad.

[@Lucas28045]

Lusofalantes é nossa hora de brilhar, kkkkkk

[@paulohenriqueschiavetti9746]

I thought france had way more nasal vowels than portuguese, nice to know my language is superior muahahaha, just kidding.

[@OlivierARV]

In Quebec, we have the same number of nasal vowels than you. Plus, there are diphtongues with nasal vowels...

[@paulohenriqueschiavetti9746]

@@OlivierARV portuguese has nasal diphthongs as well, but i just looked it up and yours are way more interesting

[@hailredlamp]

Hindi has even more. 😂 Basically, there are ten vowels and all of them can be nasalized, but nasalized long vowels are more commonly found than their short counterparts.

[@OlivierARV]

@@paulohenriqueschiavetti9746 This is the nasal vowels' transcription IPA: /ɛ̃,ɛ̃ː/ > [ẽ,ẽɪ̯̃,ãɪ̯̃] /ɔ̃,ɔ̃ː/ > [ɒ̃ʊ̯̃] /ɑ̃ː/ > [ãʊ̯̃] /ɑ̃/ > [æ̃,ã] /œ̃/ > [ɚ̃,ʌ̃r] /œ̃ː/ > [œ̃ʏ̯̃]

[@MrVoodemar]

there are two nasal vowels in Polish: Ą (corresponds to French "en, em, an, am" more or less) and Ę (corresponds to French "in, im")... also exist the popular French & Portuguese sounds which are hidden in Polish under the letters Ż /ʒ/ and SZ /ʃ/ as wells as characteristic for Brazilian-Portuguese DŻ /dʒ/... Poland isn't a neighbour of Portugal & France, Spain is, and even though Spanish, Portuguese & French belong to the Latin family while Polish doesn't, it's easier for Poles than for Spaniards to speak French or Portuguese... let Brazilian say a senseless sentence "Eu vejo e entendo a sombra no dia do chocolate" - almost every word will be difficult to pronounce for a Spaniard, but a Pole will repeat it easily because (s)he hears something what can be phonetically written in Polish as [ Eł weżo i ętędo a sąbra no dżia do szokolaczi ] ;D

[@Marcos_Viktor]

Interessante

[@sapphoenixthefirebird5063]

I thint the reduced E in Portuguese is actually closer to the Polish Y or Russian Ы.

[@Noone-uw3mk]

Also, from what I've heard, these nasal vowels can sometimes become a nasal dipthong in Polish, which also makes it easier for you guys to pronounce our nasal dipthongs: ão, ãe and õe.

[@citrusblast4372]

Navajo has nasal sounds too, i wonder if portu french speakers would have an easier time learning it than english speakers

[@mestrerex1479]

Nossa que legal!!!

[@theophonchana5025]

#nasal_vowel #nasalization

[@lucaskanyo]

Poderiam explicar a razão do nasal nas suas línguas...Vem do latim no final !

[@serakxi]

Não vem do latim, o latim tinha apenas uma vogal nasal que é o sufixo "-um", o "Latim vulgar" perdeu essa vogal, daí depois o português e o francês conseguiu essa e outras vogais nasais "por conta própria"

[@Gadottinho]

@@serakxi todas as vogais com m no fim da sílaba eram vogais nasais... "am", por exemplo, era pronunciando /ã/ e assim em diante

[@serakxi]

@@Gadottinho Realmente, mas as vogais nasais que usamos hoje não tem conexão com as vogais nasais do latim.

[@augustobarbosab.773]

As vogais nasais latinas se perderam na língua vulgar, portanto não deram origem às do português! No português as vogais nasais vêm das consoantes nasais presentes no latim. Por exemplo: manus -- mano -- mão Muitas palavras eram nasais no galego-português, mas perderam a nasalidade: perdonare -- perdõar -- perdoar Olisipona -- Lisipona -- Lisbona -- Lisbõa -- Lisboa.

[@serakxi]

@@augustobarbosab.773 exatamente

[@Gadottinho]

Seems like most of Portuguese nasal vowels are in reality dipthongs...

[@Noone-uw3mk]

This is particularly true for Brazilian Portuguese. For us, the "em, en" becomes /ẽj/, and the "om, on" becomes /õw/. We nasalize the word "muito" /mũjtu/ (much, very) for some reason; and we have the standard Portuguese dipthongs as well: "ão, am" /ãw/, "ãe" /ãj/, and "õe" /õj/. Oh, and the nasal consonant: "nh" /ñ,η/ lol.

[@theophonchana5025]

#trigraph #trigraph_ans #silent_letter #silent_s #trigraph_ong #silent_g

[@theophonchana5025]

#digraph #digraph_in #digraph_en #digraph_an #digraph_on #digraph_ão #digraph_un #digraph_om