NASCAR Claims Extortion by 23XI and FRM | Numbers Reveal Hailie Deegan Wasn't Lone Issue on No. 15

[@timleland4787]

Bullshit! Why don't they apologize to Parker Kligerman.

[@billtmarchi4320]

For what?? The yellow came out. Should have came earlier than it did.

[@deantait8326]

I find today’s fans complaining about NASCAR’s complete control. Ah You want to complain about the product? I’m with you but total control is about the only thing that hasn’t changed

[@bonnysmith4908]

An apology is not enough. And they wonder why so many drivers are quiting.

[@mooseunbehagen6320]

Sign or you lose your Charter! Oh and when you sign you give up any right to sue me in the future! Who is extorting who?

[@mlwilliam213]

Burton not winning a championship hurt more because back then if you didn’t win it, you lost it, you came up short. I think that Denny is in a different position entirely. The way the “playoffs” are set up, guys like Jeff Gordon, Kevin Harvick, even Chase Elliott have had the best seasons and not won the cup because of circumstances that were out of their control. It’s much more of a crap-shoot than it was before. Think of it like this, you have to compete in two events, one is a one-on-one basketball game, the other is a coin-flip. Which one would feel better to win? Is it the one that you had to physically try to win, or the one which was decided by chance? If you’re going to decide your championship with one race, there is no real champion. Not when things like flat tires or broken valve springs can decide the whole thing.

[@BeatingandBanging]

Totally fair.

[@stephenullman4534]

@mlwilliam213 I've got to agree with you on this. There needs to be a better, more fair format. If they just have to have a "playoff" then make it realistic. Perhaps a 3 or 5 race shoot out for the four drivers in the top four spots. I don't know. Still seems weird to me that the entertainment part of this is supposedly "what the fans want". Not too sure I agree with that. I just want racing. Period.

[@georgew.5639]

nascar uses extortion tactics all of the time!!!

[@michaelsoper3610]

What most of these commentators, in their ignorance of the law, miss is that what NASCAR does/says at this point is of NO CONSEQUENCE in the question of whether those teams will exercise the rights of charters next season. That question is now in the hands of the courts as they rule on the request for injunctive relief and any subsequent appeals. There is almost nothing NASCAR can do right now to improve its legal position, but retributive acts like taking charters can definitely hurt their position by reinforcing claims they are abusing monopoly power. Most should not report on the issue without consulting an attorney with subject matter expertise, but most reporters do not know one because it's a very specialized field with relatively few experts.

[@michaelsonnon2333]

I've been saying for years that NASCAR has become a sh$t show. All too many have accused me of not being a "true" fan. "So don't watch, nobody will miss you" they say. My response to all of you naysayers is this: No "TRUE" fan wouldn't be pissed about what has become of a once pretty good race association. No "TRUE" fan can honestly continue to support such utter nonsense, incompetency, inconsistency and outright stupidity. The empty seats prove my point. Have your NASCAR. I'll be back when they finally got back to real racing and cut the bull. Sadly, I don't see it happening in my lifetime. Nor my grandsons. Sad...sad...sad.

[@BeatingandBanging]

Good comment, Michael.

[@the_keen_edge]

NASCAR needs to be exposed, and brought to justice!

[@karendarrenmclaren]

For what? For you being frustrated? 🤔

[@dcaseng]

That 15 car is trash. Deegan didn't get the support she needed, so i would have liked to see her in a better situation before judging her.

[@deadmanrashaun]

I love the fact that Hailie is moving to Indy NXT. I’ve been keeping tabs on AM Racing since she left and it’s CLEAR they both had a fault. They’re a mid running team and with a veteran like Bret Moffit, he gave em good info but once he left, that put Hailie a rookie on an island by herself with a 2 year old team. Remember,even Kurt Busch struggled in the 78 car but got it good enough for Truex to run competitively. I’ll be rooting for her for sure.

[@Dude-zm4gj]

This lawsuit is like a Hershey bar left out in the sun with the wrapper still on. It's gonna get a lot stickier once it's opened up.

[@BeatingandBanging]

Great visual!

[@longracing25]

ADJUSTED CAMERAS????? THEY HAVE MONITORS IN THE TOWER OF THE TV FEED.....WTF???? Somebody needs to call them out on that.

[@davids5006]

You can't watch tv feed, what if replay is showing a wreck from earlier in the race

[@BeatingandBanging]

I kinda did. 😂

[@odnamsrazor2364]

Nascar gives the teams 6 hours from reciept of the contract to sign and return it and accuses two of the teams of extortion? . i can see Brain France is back on the nose candy.

[@karendarrenmclaren]

NASCAR had two years of negotiations on something they don't even had to do

[@odnamsrazor2364]

@@karendarrenmclaren oh yeah, because Nascar "charters" are absolutely meaningless and useless. team owners thought they were getting something for their money, when really it didn't amount to anything more than spending real money on in-game currency on a :"free" to play game.

[@marknconie6117]

This means Stewart Haas still own 3 Charters. 32 Charters plus 6 is 38? So NASCAR is still counting the 3 from SHR.

[@georgepaiva7496]

NASCAR is starting to panic they know it’s gonna end bad for them

[@Unknown-w6b8n]

Nope contracts are contracts you can't not sign one then sue because you didn't sign it lol

[@davids5006]

How are they panicking? Lol

[@tools6106]

NASCAR has been crushing anyone and everyone that doesn’t agree with them!

[@c.d.8975]

The headline is Beating and "Banging" and Hailie Deegan is the subject😮

[@BeatingandBanging]

It’s the channel name. But I get your point. I have to explain it all the time to people not familiar with the term.

[@tonystone1016]

This is going to get ugly!

[@michaelrunnels7660]

I noticed that when Jeff Burton named all the people and organizations that fans depend on to get the information right, he left out the one person and organization that got the call at the Roval completely wrong, confusing every fan in the U.S. That person and organization is himself and NBC. Jeff stated as if it was a fact that Parker crossed the finish line before the yellow came out. Jeff is the reason all the confusion started, but it never entered his mind to take responsibility for any of that confusion.

[@rickmassey1272]

The stands are full,the merchandise and concessions are being sold so why does nascar have to give a sh!t...about anything. Nascar died after it stopped being Winston Cup.

[@scott6952]

Extortion to sign a deal you gave at 630pm and that was due by 12am at night. But they are extorting you. NASCAR is a complete joke! Completely unwatchable

[@midwesttrainchasers8587]

Money is life

[@karendarrenmclaren]

You ignoring two previous years of negotiations on something that NASCAR created and in free will provided for teams? One of us delusional. And it's definitely not me

[@RooneyMac]

​@@midwesttrainchasers8587then how the fuck does all other life on the planet survive without it

[@paulthejeeper]

I hope Deegan takes this 2nd chance serious this time instead of trying to be an influencer with stupid content!!!

[@jhwk1970]

She’s in racing because she brings sponsorship. She gets sponsorship because of her huge fan base and all those eyes. Social media grows her fan base. It’s not the 1960’s. She is smart enough to do what she must.

[@deantait8326]

From the perfect family compound to gone except for 3. Horrifying tragedy 😢

[@BeatingandBanging]

😢

[@BenDecko2023]

The 15 team is the worst team in all of NASCAR. The only good finishes came with Logano driving and I guarantee the cars were prepared by Penske, not the 15 team, may have even been Penske cars. After Deegan left, in two races the car was instantly behind due to junkyard sparkplug wires being used. In another the LR tires kept getting cut due to poor clearance. The team is not there to compete, they are there to make money and obviously are somehow, I suspect Ford pays the bills but no clue why, maybe testing parts?

[@tjw4947]

I see lots of broken Indy Car parts in Ms. Deegan's future. It won't be pretty.

[@DeborahWilliams-dl7iw]

This was really a great program. You always something good.

[@BeatingandBanging]

Thank you!

[@rickmassey1272]

Sooo...nascar officials couldn't see what broadcast television viewers saw?...What's the point of officials being there? Let them sit at home, they can at least get the calls more consistent.

[@back-corner-turnings]

Well I guess with NASCAR’s sign the contract or else ultimatum they know a thing or two about extortion.

[@davids5006]

Not the definition of extortion

[@back-corner-turnings]

@@davids5006 Extortion is defined as the practice of obtaining something from someone through the use of force or threats. Giving the team a few hours to review and sign a new contract under threat of their charters being revoked is textbook extortion.

[@Tpanther775]

Think its a joke that Nascar can claim teams are trying to extort them but cant give a simple explanation on why that issue happened on Saturday. And hell lets go back to all the things that have happened the last month. Creditability is something Nascar is almost out of.

[@BeatingandBanging]

Lots of things this year, unfortunately.

[@Tpanther775]

@@BeatingandBanginghonestly I’m surprised their comment was this brazen about the extortion. Figured they’d be advised by their attorneys to just let the system do its thing. They can’t though because they have never hid publicly when they’ve been punched in the gut and feel that it’s personal. Actually it’s just business.

[@MikeLangenfeldt]

Nascar management sounds just like a democrat politician.

[@josem2468]

Extortion is being given less than a day or else. NASCAR your screw. I want to also see what you're hiding in the books.

[@joelcheek3494]

But 23ix already admitted they had the final agreement many days ahead and even told NASCAR the day before that they wouldn't be signing the next day.

[@3120DownForce]

Jose, you don't have any clue what extortion is, and it shows.

[@rhondaelliott5386]

Oh and Junior Motorsports would have helped her and she would have done a lot better because they know how to treat a driver does it matter what their their male or female

[@JRsBullet]

How did the 15 car run the year before ? Pretty sure it was better.

[@jhwk1970]

I’d like to see the numbers on how often Deegan got wrecked. It was pretty obvious the boys didn’t like the girl out there. NASCAR needs to make it a male only sport and be done with it.

[@timleland4787]

I was a nascar fan since the late seventies. And in few years with their bullshit I am far from a nsacar fan now.

[@stephenullman4534]

I think Deegan is making the right move here. NASCAR just isn't ready or mature enough to have a female driver in the cup series. Or Exfinity. She was literally blatantly taken out in at least 4 races that I saw. And many more in the truck series. NXT Indy is a good fit for her. I think she will be better treated, and since there are no fenders to use to move the car, she will have a better chance at doing well. I also believe that the Indy drivers are a little more accepting of a female. But she will need good coaching. She does have talent. I believe she just needs a fare shake.

[@beckyhahn3132]

Who cares!

[@TheCrazyMoparDude68]

No, there just hasn’t been a female that could actually compete in NASCAR. NASCAR is one of the most grueling forms of racing there is. Even though the cars are easier to drive today, they still take a lot of strength and endurance to drive one. And it only gets harder as you go up the ladder and race longer races. Even guys that are in really great shape and work out have trouble dealing with the physical demands and the punishment their bodies go through while running a 500 mile race. Very few women have the strength, endurance, and the skill needed to race in the top NASCAR divisions. Females do well in racing that is less physically demanding and are “shorter”, that is why there have been several really good female drivers in drag racing.

[@mlwilliam213]

…or maybe she’s just not good enough

[@johnstickles6789]

This young lady has gotten more chances than any male driver I know. The problem is this pay to drive bs with drivers with no talent

[@waynecampbell9208]

​@@johnstickles6789I know chances are this probably won't happen but someone needs to come up with an all female stock car racing series! It wouldn't be a bad idea! 💡

[@x-man5056]

Sawyer's comments about camera angle are a complete dodge. The question should be: Why did it take so long to throw the yellow? NOT... why did the lights not clearly show instantly it was before Klingerman crossed the line. 15 seconds no yellow, then it became imperative and urgent to make sure Kilngerman didn't win, just in the nick of time to stop him. Just to remind everyone. Sawyer is the guy who showed us a picture of Hamlin clearly jumping a restart on MTJ, and called it good. No Credibility. But at this point, who in NASCAR hierarchy does? NASCAR has been 'negotiating' with teams for a year with little progress, then plops a document on teams and tell them to sign it today or loose their charters. And THAT constitutes fair negotiating tactics to them, but 23xi refuses to be bullied, and that amounts to "extortion" WHAT!

[@BeatingandBanging]

Good points!

[@zachwalentiny]

People can keep blaming AM Racing all they want, but at the end of the day it wouldn't have mattered whether she was racing for AM Racing or JR Motorsports, she would have been slow and struggled regardless. I am so sick of everyone claiming she is a great driver and the team was the issue. Look at what happened in 2023 when she drove for Thorsport in trucks. Her teammate won the championship while she struggled to get top 20 finishes. She even had multi-time champion crew chief Rich Lushes working with her for crying out loud. Can't blame the team on that one lol.

[@BeatingandBanging]

I agree. Trucks weren’t good to her.

[@tonyellis124]

If you want to fix Nascar get rid of Elton Sayer

[@ronbelanger4113]

It is called Laughcar for valid reasons.

[@metallicman9455]

Good for logano! Doing good for people 👍

[@BeatingandBanging]

Agree!

[@hueginvieny7959]

It's time to have do what f1 does retired drivers act as stewards and from green flag to checkers makes decisions on penaltys . nascar needs to stop calling the on track penalties and just worry about making sure the cars are legal

[@charliezicolillo]

So just add Parker Klingerman to the next stage.NASCAR SUCKS NOW.

[@chriskenny6117]

NASCAR has become a metaphorical ice cream shop that only sells vanilla because they are terrified that a little flavor may spook the corporate sponsors. And as a result we get these bland no heat what so ever commentaries that look like a grown man broadcasting from a child’s bedroom. This sucks. Boooooooo

[@MarkHarper-ek8ss]

Who care we have with family and once again who cares

[@billtmarchi4320]

Dont like nascar officiating. Stop watching . Who cares.

[@BeatingandBanging]

Really? That’s your solution?

[@billtmarchi4320]

@@BeatingandBanging ya, when you waste your time being angry and crying everywhere looking for reasons to hate or blame nascar for everything they do no matter what. Then stop watching. You "fans" are as bad as nascar. One week you hate nascars call one way then ne xt week you hate the calls that go the exact opposite. Same as drivers and teams. It's voluntary. If they don't like nascars rules, then they don't have to drive in nascar races. Most of you "fan" are too dumb to even understand racing. You all blame the wrong drivers and cry about the wrong outcome decisions or penalties. And most newer fans think they know what the old days of racing were like when they have no clue about the old days and what was acceptable bumping and drafting and spinning to win. And the dumb chase format championship farce. Hamlin Larson harvick wreck to win, then when someone else does they get dqed. And they go around acting like they never did it themselves. I don't make money from nascar and they don't get any of my money. So if you're unhappy, just don't watch. They don't listen to drivers so why would they care what spectators have to say.

[@BeatingandBanging]

I speak up because I believe they can improve. That’s my hope. I know I expect good officiating in any sport I watch. Why should NASCAR be held to a lower standard?

[@billtmarchi4320]

@@BeatingandBanging ya but if you go out and get drunk everyweekend and wake up feeling sick and mad about how you wasted the weekend passed out and don't remember anything fun and you got liver disease. Dont cry about it and blame the bars and the beer companies demanding they listen to you and change how they serve alcohol or produce and distribute it, we after week. Just stop drinking or switch bars and beers. You might end up finding out its you "fans" are the ones with the problems and it's less about how the product you consume is produced and sold. And you might find out life can be better without that weekly night of drunkeredness..