I Bought FAKE WD NAS SSDs So You Don't! WHAT HAPPENED?

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@marklewus5468 9 ай бұрын

hey Robbie, a common scam with these drives is that they put a 64 gig flash chip in the box and call it 1 TB. They then scam the controller firmware to report 1TB. As you write to the drive, it overwrites the same 64 gig over and over. So it looks OK until you try to read the files and then you find out they aren’t there.

@etcetc3800 9 ай бұрын

Very interesting. Firmware programming can be mischievous

@MayaPosch 9 ай бұрын

The reason why the markings on the SSD controller & NAND Flash package are laser etched away is because these tend to be rejects that failed QA. By erasing the markings they cannot be traced back to a specific batch and factory. This also means that the controller chip is likely to be defective in some way (explaining the stability issues) and the NAND Flash to have bad sections that will very likely result in massive data loss, even if it isn't just a 128 GB chip being passed off as a 1 TB one.

@keyboard_g 9 ай бұрын

The listing calls it an SSSD. The extra S is for savings.

@bokami3445 9 ай бұрын

I can think of another word for that extra S 🙂

@PamelaCurry 9 ай бұрын

Since you bought two, do they have the same serial number on the label? I'm betting they do!

@kazumakazuma5814 9 ай бұрын

There are a bunch of fake Samsung 860s where they actually have a pool of 5 serial numbers. This may be the case here too.

@jnhkx 9 ай бұрын

@@kazumakazuma5814 At least they tried lol

@PamelaCurry 9 ай бұрын

@@kazumakazuma5814 are the barcodes identical?

@matthewday7565 9 ай бұрын

Too crap to test for fake capacity... I was expecting fake capacity, but it would probably break the test

@nascompares 9 ай бұрын

This little mofo almost broke the test machine

@chrissie-boy1964 9 ай бұрын

These things are being sold on eBay for £40, I guessed they were a scam, even at that price.

@nascompares 9 ай бұрын

Yep, avoid like the plague

@Alvin853 9 ай бұрын

But does it actually hold 1TB? Or is the controller hacked to report 1 TB but when you write to it, after 64GB all data is lost? If it can actually hold 1TB, you might consider it for some sort of cold storage, write once and if you ever need to read from it, well it's gonna be slow

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 9 ай бұрын

Cold storage of data on dodgy SSDs? Not the best idea

@waynemacleod3416 9 ай бұрын

guaranteed if does not 1TB of actual storage not enough NAND ships on it.

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 9 ай бұрын

@@waynemacleod3416 that's hard to tell unless you see the marking (if it's hasn't been sanded off or altered). There are some 1tb chips, so one nand chip could give 1 TB of volume. Some of these sus SSDs are made with chips from say refuse of the actual SSD manufacturers, or from chips removed from faulty drives. E.g. a Chinese co purchases defective ssds, they disassemble them in a garage, see which nand chips still sorta work, and use these in such drives. More often than not, of course, a shady SSD will not have the stated capacity, yes

@KillaBitz 9 ай бұрын

@@waynemacleod3416 1tb nand does exist (since 2022) but I agree that this probably isn't using it.

@gary4158 9 ай бұрын

Have you ask for a refund? Unless people who may get them respond some action they will keep selling inferior products.

@nascompares 9 ай бұрын

That...I actually really true. I'll request a refund + do some more tests and make a follow up video if anything good comes up

@ndupontnet 9 ай бұрын

With my experience with genuine WD SSDs, I wouldn't even bother buying the real deal ever again. My son's Steam storage died in 6 months.

@marsovac 9 ай бұрын

My Samsung 1TB died in one week! But that was probably a better outcome since I did not get to fill it much :D I see the have about 1% warranty returns. Maybe we were unlucky.

@geraldh.8047 8 ай бұрын

So your experience of WD flash drives consists of exactly ONE ? Wow, you are someone with a lot of experience. I’m going to trust your judgement.

@ndupontnet 8 ай бұрын

@@geraldh.8047 and a super slow 2TB one that I wouldn't recommend either. For HDD on the other hand my anecdotal evidence is top notch, those suckers will spin forever

@ndupontnet 8 ай бұрын

@@geraldh.8047 you know that consumers usually don't have statistically significant experience with any consumer product, right? You have to pool feedback to get an image of what's going on.

@kazumakazuma5814 9 ай бұрын

It's always the UK address, regardless of where you get these disks.

@nascompares 9 ай бұрын

Just a bit silly tbh. So much of the presentation of this fake drive is inconsistent! Why REMOVE all the WD branding (not just trademarked logos, but literally the text 'wd' and 'western digital', only to then ADD the UK WD address...makes me brain ache

@kazumakazuma5814 9 ай бұрын

@@nascomparesThe people who do this often times can't speak English at all, this would be akin to a European trying to figure out which symbols to remove from a Chinese label, I guess. I am not sure if this is of any interest to a person residing in the UK, but the EU has opened proceedings against Aliexpress over the very existence of such items on their storefront.

@cdnron75 9 ай бұрын

I swear, the majority of sales of these scam drives are KZbinrs explaining how much of a scam these drives are. In my opinion, if someone is unintelligent enough to believe they can get a 1TB SSD for ~$14 USD, they deserve to lose their money.

@travels1047 9 ай бұрын

Very enjoyable and informative video, many thanks

@madmaxpane3694 9 ай бұрын

can you do a moody ssd Drive from the same site on the PlayStation 5 just to see how bad they are

@KillaBitz 9 ай бұрын

This is what happens in that video since ps5 would have less tools "to see how bad they are" at 19mb/s peak (less for smaller files) you'd be looking at many hours to install a 20gb game (a small game) also fakes like this often hide the true size and lie about being 1tb so after installing 4 20gb games you might lose the 1st (if it was actually 64gb) Many PS5 games are over 100gb and wouldn't fit on many of the fakes but if they did happen to fit you'd be looking at a day long install IF IT DIDN'T CRASH DURING A WEEK OF MAX WRIGHT and as it crashed multiple times in this video I'm fairly confidant your not getting any games on it.

@waynemacleod3416 9 ай бұрын

the drive is likely a 128 GB of the slowest NAND on earth. it has 953.87 gb in overprovisioning listed in disk info. as far as data transfer any cheap real SATA SSD can saturate the SATA bus.

@theroboticscodedepot7736 9 ай бұрын

I would be REALLY interested to see an (ALL SSD) COMBO system comprised of the TBS-h574TX as the main NAS (for running a VM and some primary storage) with a connected (by USB or Thunderbolt) secondary storage NAS such as the Asustor Flashstor 6 or 12 for much larger files like video files running a RAID 6 array.

@Sigaricus 2 ай бұрын

I would not under any circumstances trust my data to Del-Boy and Rodney! Each to his own though.

@broadlyscots 9 ай бұрын

You don't have to go to the Far-East to buy fake SSDs. I bought a fake Samsung at full retail from Amazon UK and they refused to replace it when it was dead out of the box. They had me send it to Samsung in Holland who refused to have anything to do with it and told me "It is rather unfortunate that this unit was sold to you by a British Supplier." as it was made in China. I have not bought a Samsung SSD since!

@peter1970uk 6 ай бұрын

Samsung never made the drive they never sold the drive that has nothing to do with Samsung why boycott them

@guillermo.gonzalez 9 ай бұрын

It's funny, I just came across this PoS the other day. It's amazing that such a scam can be sold with no problems at all

@CptBlackEye 9 ай бұрын

Another great video! What are the drawbacks for using genuine non-nas drives for nas uses (rust and ssd)? When used in a beginner homelab, is this an area were costs can be reduced while learning the technology?

@noth606 8 ай бұрын

Performance and longevity are where they typically differ, heat in some cases but that's more on the tolerance side. It depends a lot on what kinds of drives though, low end consumer drives tend to be slow and not tolerate heat, will stop working if too hot, and can be short lived if run hot. NAS drives are not special in some magical way. They tend to be middle to low performance drives when speaking of the consumer end of NAS drives, because they will be on an even slower network, but they often have a write/read pattern that is less "bursty" so it won't have a blazing random access speed, but usually quite good sustained transfer. For a home lab as a beginner you'd be served well with whatever you can get that isn't going to be unreliable. It depends a lot on what you're going to store and what you'll use it for. I don't use spinning disks at all right now, I don't have tons of movies or whatever to take space up, I run Intel sata SSD's and last bought Kioxia NVMe for a server. Never had either fail 'badly', ie without some warning. Kioxia is what used to be Toshiba btw, so IBM branded drives back in the day of HDD's. But then my stuff is enterprise grade, I'm a retired software developer so I have habits based on my experiences. Before that I worked for a storage solutions brand who used a lot of HDD's from different makers and they all have good and bad batches ..

@CptBlackEye 8 ай бұрын

@@noth606 Your reply was very easy to understand. Thank you! I purchased a lot of 10 Seagate laptop 500GB spinners to allow me lots of flexibility to learn how to set up different raid options with hands on. I also picked up a LSI SAS 9300-16i HBA card to drive them all... As a part of the learning experience, it was the 400w PSU that had my process falling short. Great thing about homelabbing (so I'm finding out) is that it is a great place to try new things where the oops-factor isn't career ending.

@noth606 8 ай бұрын

@@CptBlackEye Heh, in most cases an oops isn't career ending as a pro either, but it depends a lot on how big of an oops, and whether the person was told/warned about it and still doubled down. I have seen that once. Anyway, yeah Raid sets are probably good practice, their performance is imo different 'in person' compared to how you think it is from just reading about it. Even if a rebuilding Raid 5 set is available while rebuilding, the performance is so abysmally bad that I've told people it's offline and they have to wait :-P. For home lab use I would suggest to have at least one big PSU either spare or in a server machine that ideally isn't critical. I have two 1250W ones, they are handy for a bunch of different things but most of all testing and when some weird construction needs to be powered to get something done.

@thebaldconvict 6 ай бұрын

I just got caught with one of these, exactly the same insides as this but a blue drive. Got caught simply because it wasn't £10 it was priced as a reasonable deal for a second hand drive. It's only going to be used as the cache drive in an Unraid server so new isn't necessary really. Anyway, refund all processed within minutes and am tempted to keep it so they can't sell it onto another person.

@yusvariharzairawan3525 9 ай бұрын

hi, i just bought a hat3300-12tb 2 months ago and today there is a hat3310-12tb sad to know that. But the most confusing is HAT3300-12TB on synology official website is gone. Is the HAT3300-12tb a failed production seller? should I exchange it for a new one with a warranty card?

@Steamrick 5 ай бұрын

Mind you, the Techpowerup review is old. I know for certain that new revisions of the Sandisk Ultra 3D (which belongs to WD and is afaik identical to the WD Blue 3D) no longer have a DRAM package included. Yep, they quietly made the SSD a *lot* worse by making it DRAMless.

@Mr76Pontiac 9 ай бұрын

Find a utility that'll do validation about what the drive size ACTUALLY is. Often times, the drive is reprogrammed to show whatever size it was sold as, but, the DRAM on there is actually like 64meg or some garbage like that.

@johnbeer4963 9 ай бұрын

the weird, horrible nitpicky twat in me says "some acronyms and abbreviations are for typing, not saying" (like TB and mobo) nice video sah! Curiosity satisfied, lol

@Raintiger88 9 ай бұрын

I'd also bet the single NAND chip on that chinese drive was removed from a recycled drive. You have no way to tell how many writes it already had before beginning it's new life on that CAF board.

@marsovac 9 ай бұрын

This is not a 1TB drive at all but misreports capacity and overwrites the intiial nand when you go over it, and the issues it has are there in order for the user to not find that out, but go first to support, and figure out that sending it back to China costs more than the drive itself.

@4eyesleo 9 ай бұрын

I wonder if the conclusions of this video can also be applied to SSD/RAM which accompany those prominent NAS ITX boards from Aliexpress

@michaelbouckley4455 9 ай бұрын

Yes. Best to buy bare bones. Had a no-name Chinese NVMe in a Topton, which caused errors from the start, then froze re-installing. In PC it reported a name like ‘Yiwu’. Some Chinese NVMe and NGFF disks are ok, and have 3 year warranty (although probably difficult to claim) A Fanxiang seems OK and Kingchuxing maybe. I also only bought 8Gb DDR5 originally, but replaced it with a Crucial 24Gb.

@michaelbouckley4455 9 ай бұрын

There are also a lot of fake SD cards and all kinds of shape and size USB memory sticks. On 2.5” SSD’s, as well as WD (some with WD on the label) Samsung EVO and Crucial MX are also copied, and have maybe 1/10th of stated capacity

@MicahGallant Ай бұрын

slow down :) you are really rushing that drive. you need to expect 5 dollars worth of speed and rate it based on that. if it stores 1tb of data, the speed may not matter depending on the purpose.

@reinekewf7987 9 ай бұрын

i my opinion you dont need dram. dram less drives are more expensive because you need more nand chips in order to keep up with the sata connection speed but all data that is written to the drive is written and not sitting in dram on the drive because the nand on the drive is to slow. dram less tend to be slower but 300 to 400mbs is fast enough 520mbs are only achievable with dram and if it is full you now that fast what the nand on that drive is capable and this is mostly 300mbs or slower. having a dram brings no benefits for the average user your operating system dont know if the drive is finished or not you have to ask the drive if it is finished but some drives does not answer. how does this work? you send a big file to the drive the explorer tells you i am done but your drive has a dram and a slow nand now your dram is nearly full and your drive controller shove the data that is sitting in dram on your nand. the opertating system sees no data needs to be send and thinks it is done but your data is half way written now you take the drive out now everything is lost that not written on the nand but in order to prevent that you have to click on the usb drive icon on the right side of the taskbar and ask the drive if it is done and if so the system repels the drive by it self and now you can unplug it but if you dont do that your data is lost. this is the risk of a usb drive but for internal or e-sata drive it is not that simple on e-sata dram is disabled on default because of that problem but the internals. if you have a power outage data get lost that is not written. raid or hba controller have some times a big battery to power the drives long enough to write all the data even the system is off or they hold the data as long as possible in its ram and writes it on the drive until the system comes back alive. drives with dram cant do that. ok some enterprise 2.5 or 3.5 nvme or flash sas drives can do this but they cost 10 times more for the same capacity. dram is in my opinion a big risk that provides no benefits in personal use cases. dram is for keeping compute power high so the core who is accessing the drive can faster back to other stuff and has not to constantly feeding the slow drive and for the most part this works because the time between writing and working is mostly long enough thats the system writes data to the drive the dram is empty and all data is written. for a nas this is nonsense and brings no benefits for a office pc thats the same no benefits. for a gaming system this might beneficial but not noticeable.

@khalidaldalalah3403 9 ай бұрын

Can i use raid 1 with 1 hdd, and later add the 2nd?

@kazumakazuma5814 9 ай бұрын

I don't think so. There might be a software tool out there which can convert your regular hdd to a raid without the loss of data, but I would not rely on such software.

@Myself-yh9rr 9 ай бұрын

Those Chinese sites have a lot of cheap drives but you also have a high chance of getting a much lower capacity than you thought you were ordering. They may even be much slower too. As shady as the makers of those fakes are it would not surprise me to find one with loads of nasty malware on it that would lock me out of my accounts and enable someone to steal my money and other things. These are absolutely awful people who do that and I would rather keep them out of my life as much as possible rather than buy the mythical $30 16 TB drive that turns out to be a micro SD card and a cheap adapter hot glued in in a mediocre attempt to keep you from seeing their trickery. Any day now it would not surprise me to find out that one of these fakes had malware on them or were USB killer like devices that would destroy any computer they were plugged into. Then the Chinese probably wonder why some people are so skeptical of generic Chinese items. It is simple a lot of them are not what they were advertised as or were such low quality they did not last long. I like cheap electronics but not when they are really a horrible deal at just any price!

@DonzLockz 8 ай бұрын

Brilliant video and testing. TY.👍🤠🇦🇺

@whya2ndaccount 9 ай бұрын

Dare I say - "you get what you pay for".

@sunnycloudy1337 9 ай бұрын

i always thought they had SDcards in them lmao

@KillaBitz 9 ай бұрын

some do, it depends what they can get hold off. sometime its used parts some times defective parts. what ever is cheap.

@sativagirl1885 9 ай бұрын

Non military warfare is intended to fork w/ your NAS mind,

@nascompares 9 ай бұрын

I KNOW, RIGHT!

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 9 ай бұрын

The smaller drives might have genuine nand chips that have the real capacity but even so I wouldn't trust it - most likely a used part, or slow, or unreliable, or all of the above. The larger the capacity of the fake drive, the more likely it will be even less good, with a small sd/usb flash instead of a nand chip and a controller that will report the size on the label but wiring data "in circles". I don't understand why people are still making these videos, it's clear to anyone with a functional brain that you don't buy SSDs like that, or, better still, you don't buy ANY SSDs on Ali and places like that

@paulstubbs7678 9 ай бұрын

A 'moody' drive - where did that name come from, the reseller?, but its listed as "unbranded"???

@nascompares 9 ай бұрын

Sorry, I should have explained. "Moody" is East London, British slang for 'fake', eg "look at that character and his Moody Rolex"

@paulstubbs7678 9 ай бұрын

@@nascompares Thanks, I was kind of heading in the direction that mention/discussion of these tended to make people have a bad mood in their replies. - but that didn't quite make sense

@keithmiller9665 9 ай бұрын

Nice video, thanks😊

@briancole2378 5 ай бұрын

I bought a 4TB one of these drives with exactly same box and drive as yours in video, I didn't break open, but the drive showed in bios and device manager but not disk manager or partition manager, so I went into DISKPART (using command prompt) and it showed in there too so I decided to use CLEAN command and it worked so I formatted it and now works fine for £30. So please try as I did because you might just throw a drive away that is fine. Like i nearly did.