This Left 4 Dead 2 Map Has No Respect For The Player

[@sasha_4orniy]

Btw, Tank in the first chapter has WAY MORE health than it should have, so it's even more ridiculous that you have to survive this sh*t with no weapons or items at all.

[@BannoWanno]

imagine playin with m ore than 4 survivors with tank health buff😢

[@mrekozack7817]

BRUH 💀

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Oh no.

[@connorbongo2708]

He literally runs past a gun @5:01 while Rochelle is pointing an Uzi at him and then he cuts to Zoey with a Shotgun. Idk why he keeps claiming to have no guns when you can see all the bots using them. I'm sure the map was difficult, but just straight up lying over video footage that contradicts what you're saying is just silly.

[@xelic5185]

First tank can be killed with melee if you have the skill

[@brute6896]

man that part where Ellis is telling you to run is depressing, sure Nick isn't known to be a great guy especially towards Ellis yet Ellis tells him to just run.

[@nascoz3884]

A real team players till the very end

[@itsjustbuzzy1077]

a real friend

[@Warlord_Queek]

Hey wait a minute *STOVE FACE?!?!!???*

[@alex_0089]

ellis is a chad

[@Necrovia]

12:40 yeah, hearing him telling you to run makes you realize that you can't fight them off, all you can do is run to the safehouse

[@cheeseburgerapocalypse2604]

Fun fact: the cutscene where bunch of hunters jumped out of the roof is a references from old Chinese Wuxia movies that most of the film industries in China that time like to put the fight scene where protagonist was surrounded by bandits on the roof.

[@CrazyDavey23]

reminds me of that snicker bar commercial with Mr.bean in it

[@IRONMIN117]

No one need to read your dumb "funfact"

[@agustron2479]

A reference isnt a reason to just do that

[@WariBanaArt]

I thought it was a cool scene, it reminds me of the beginning of Dishonored.

[@Somespideronline]

sure @@agustron2479

[@pagancourier4604]

Bill dying first in any L4D2 game is a canon event.

[@susragejr477]

Zoey and Ellis died first though

[@inkyjonin5341]

Imo, the worst thing is that he didn't use a single witch. Especially considering half of the "scary" shit they tried to add could have fit great with it. Like in the one campaign where there's like 15 witches in the corn, he could have had a spot with some cover and a few witches, and if you kill them, you get cursed, summoning a horde

[@cringydinosaur635]

There's a witch in the first map actually Is hide with a tier 2 rifle close to the tank spawn, the one with the extra health

[@jasonx1174]

The campaign you're referring to is Hard Rain, and the fields outside the Suger Mill are suger cane crops, not corn.

[@DexGen2002]

I love ellis saying "JUST GO MAN GO" small things like this make you feel like your in a movie and games need to do this stuff more

[@carljohan9265]

One moment that stands out to me is the part where he says "hey look an ammo pile. With no weapons. It's like you can feel the disappointment behind those words.

[@Dave_the_kiddie_strangeler]

RUN MAN RUN

[@harunozuigul55]

@@Dave_the_kiddie_strangeler hey don't stop bunny hopping

[@garakds9]

I think this campaign is designed for modded Chinese servers which explains how unbalanced and unfair this campaign is.

[@majortom1155]

Yea the modded P2P Chinese servers that give you god like power such as shockwaves or infinity endless Molotov

[@jj_dmth]

forgot to mention the level design

[@justnoob8141]

@@majortom1155 …not sure what to expect from chinese server here

[@majortom1155]

@@justnoob8141 unless is host by a single normal chinese, otherwise just expect it got modded to hell or just god mod

[@garakds9]

@@majortom1155 Don't forget exp features. Killing a tank gives you 5 lvl ups and increase weapon damage to the point that exploiting them would insta kill every zombie eventually.

[@cheesemoon6319]

The map is so gorgeous, but all the artificial difficulties, bad designs, the "cutscenes", invisible walls, made it a really terrible map.

[@FreneticPotato]

If I wanted atmosphere, I would've just played Yama again or Warcelona.

[@dominicporter5100]

@@FreneticPotato Yes! Those maps are great!

[@redactedgamersgd1788]

@@FreneticPotato fr Yama is one of the best map i binged for the halloween event i might reinstall the mod again to get myself to tripping balls on how good the map is

[@tonypeppermint5329]

God damn.

[@parkhae-il9211]

@@FreneticPotato agree Yama for me is arguably the best custom campaign of all time

[@user-qd6nk4es2n]

the funny part about the invisible walls is that in the first chapter its shown that the path was blocked BY PROPS, but then later on the map creator doesn't even do that and sticks with the lazy method of invisible walls despite legit putting props there in the first place

[@DrPootis]

Big wave beach playing when you're expected to kill a tank with a pistol is perfect

[@X0rl.]

The gas can scene where 10 hunters spawns is a reference to the white lie its a sad story about the survivors slowly dying one by one.zoey and nick survived the apocalypse

[@yazidefirenze]

Ohhhhhhhhh I loved that SFM series!

[@jamstheshapeshifter]

Reference or not, fuck this map

[@matthewsteele99]

oh man, LoneWolfHBS and his work of art

[@eMpTy12189]

Oh

[@bankletters]

Ye I remember watch it ( I am 14 lol)

[@weasel003gaming7]

I've seen a lot of people playing through "Questionable Ethics: Combined" recently, played it myself, and you actually need to make careful decisions at times on what you want. For example, you see a cash of guns that look good for now that requires a gas can, but who knows if the next one will have better weapons, and there's not enough gas cans for all of them, hell even half of them, so you need to make careful decisions and it's so damn fun.

[@Wolf-yw5cx]

I play that map all the time, wana add?

[@marcelosouzaa1998]

Don't know if it's the same map but i played Questionable Ethics (first map) it's nice and different but absolutely doesn't respect the player as well, totally not about skill or decisions at all, but only luck rate. At some point the map puts you inside a very tiny space with a tank and a CONTEINER to be punched by the tank and instadown everybody, insane AF. The final map with water and lot of zombies and crushing platforms is garbage, even on normal.

[@weasel003gaming7]

@@marcelosouzaa1998 Questionable Ethics: Combined isn't that bad, but it does have a section with a large arena with lots of shifting floors where tanks spawn, first one then two, and there's four dumpsters the tanks can use. If you're smart, though, the only times those dumpsters are a threat are n't when the tank's near them, it's when it's on a moving platform since L4D2's engine is weird.

[@Leonard_Wolf_2056]

@@marcelosouzaa1998 you are talking about questionable ethics(V2). There are three questionable ethics. Alpha, combined and V2. The first level with the tank is ez. Trigger the tank, set him on fire, then run back to the bridge. The final level is to test what you have learnt. It's not the creators fault you suck or are unable to strategize. Did you play with bots? Did you only play it once? Did you play it just like any other map? Here is an advice for the final level: camp with your team either near the gate or get on the pipes. That way you can cover each other and make it just fine. And yes, I am allowed say you suck at l4d(or atleast in that map) due to you calling questionable ethics "garbage".

[@mantiframe7043]

Ah Hometown, one of the most painful campaigns that my buddies suggest trying to play it together on expert without realizing the horrible fate that would be fall upon us. Looking back on it now, I'm surprised we managed to at least complete it fully in the end despite the painful setbacks we had went through. But this map isn't the worst one that I have seen. From my experience, there were even more unfun maps like hehe or Chinese-named only maps that made me suggest otherwise. Still nice review video 👍

[@redactedgamersgd1788]

imma guess the map name is Farewell chengming

[@myronbrownchip5355]

Farewell Chenming solo beat my ass

[@myhead7167]

the moment i saw "on expert" i died laughing

[@klyedlaserdeath5541]

@@redactedgamersgd1788 farewell chengming is not really that bad because atleast the FINALE map has a huge space and thats one of tank's biggest weakness and they can only throw rocks at you and i beat the map with bots

[@H3adx]

@@myronbrownchip5355 farewell chenming is a good map except the part where you have to wait for the train.

[@painfall]

I think the map creator likes mudmen only cause their run animation is crawling.

[@kanderion5685]

the fact that ellis still tells you to run even though you're playing as nick really melts my heart

[@fernandooctavio4105]

the worst part is that this map could be terrific

[@kagenlim5271]

It IS terrific

[@fernandooctavio4105]

@@kagenlim5271 disagree, it should be patched and reworked in some parts. But its a very respectable work, really ambitious

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

@@fernandooctavio4105 I make campaigns myself and I totally agree, the real-time building destruction is an interesting gameplay element that's also really hard to make in L4D2. Aesthetics are pretty damn good for the most part too. Veeery ambitious, but alas, a campaign that's not fun to play is never worth it...

[@josephleebob3828]

Cringe PFP

[@fernandooctavio4105]

@@josephleebob3828 cry about it

[@JASXN8]

6:38 the sound of eating food is actually a vacuumcleaner from teletubbies named Noo Noo i laughed soo much when i heard it lmaoooo

[@Lallint]

I do think it's necessary to say that the map-making on this is amazing as a hammer editor. The rest might stink ass, but I can tell the map took a lot of time to make.

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

Seriously! Making buildings fall apart in real-time in Hammer is extremely tough to pull off. If this campaign worked on its flaws it could really be something special and unique.

[@bluscout1857]

It sucks because honestly there’s so much more potential for this map to be good and such, it’s really unfortunate that pretty much everything that isn’t the scenery or aesthetic is really bad

[@dauphongii]

@@bluscout1857 it's actually not that bad but this is a chinese map and chinese players usually play with full team and with mods like stat boosts and such. this map only sucked because it wasnt played the way it was meant to be. before you say everyone has freedom to play however they want, it is true but then you cant blame creator or map, its your own hole you dug that you fell in.

[@ECHO-87]

That doesnt matter if playing it sucks

[@neporushnist]

15:30. Well, 30 rounds in mag and high recoil - that's what a real AK-47 is. Let's just say this is a realism

[@Sleepy241]

But also a AK-47 is 7.62 and would blow holes in zombies that are so weak and frail sooo

[@neporushnist]

@@Sleepy241 cool

[@APunishedManNamed2]

@@Sleepy241 ....7.62x39 It isn't firing 7.62x51 lmao

[@Sleepy241]

@@APunishedManNamed2 most of these zombies are weak and frail. They awkwardly run and are able to get their heads hit off by a baseball bat, I am pretty sure even 7.62 x 39 will blow holes through them

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

I've seen videos of people magdumping AKs and I noticed that the recoil wasn't as exaggerated. If anything, this was basically just someone scripting the AK to be less usable in the long run in some odd attempt at "realism."

[@Haru-spicy]

wait, they made an asian horror themed map and didn't put in a single encounter where it's a Witch with spooky black hair?

[@lazercat6077]

11:02 actually at this roadblock you are supposed to jump on the cars to get over not needing the drop however this basically forces you to touch an alarm car which combined with the possible tank spawn is very annoying

[@christophermercado5678]

Your fed anyway

[@chiyuu_h]

ye u know what F*ck the map creator

[@EnclaveSergeantArchDornan]

true but the map creator doesnt really explain that your supposed to go that way, and they decided to make a path up to a different area

[@M1X41I]

People of that town definitely disliked hygiene, even more than the people living in the swamp

[@EuphoriaBrainfreeze]

This map reminds me of troll maps like hehe maps, with bad level designs and unfair spawns, which are almost impossible to finish on even the easiest difficulty legitimately, though at least those maps were intended to frustrate you

[@FreneticPotato]

At least with those maps, you KNOW what you're getting into. This one was such a slap to the face the first time playing it. Goddamn.

[@R41ph3a7b6]

@@FreneticPotato true.

[@R41ph3a7b6]

Agreed.

[@beatmeouttame]

I've played through the whole hehe collection one weekend, and it was the best l4d2 experience I've ever had

[@smugglercat6638]

Nah, play with: sv_infinite_ammo 1 god 1 LMAO

[@KnightGlint]

This guy reminds me of a person that goes to a pizzeria and orders a cheese pizza, but then proceeds to complain about there being cheese on his pizza.

[@SelectDevotee68]

The map creator should have added tons of rubble to block areas you aren't supposed to be instead of invisible walls. Hell, put a sign behind the rubble that says, "You're not supposed to be here :("

[@SelectDevotee68]

Glubtastic map review when?

[@alonzodrake6461]

When I played the map. I think the creator of the map wanted the player to explore the area for supplies because when I did, I got some weapons at the start.

[@IMISSMYNAME]

I usually don't comment but this map gave me a fond memories of 3 players cock and ball torture as me and my friends made our way through this map in Expert with vanilla weapon. There are *far worse* maps out here, I wouldn't say this map doesn't "respect" players as it's pretty much made with difficulty in mind, it's just badly designed, that's all. Although the worst offender of this map would be the finale, you can actually cheese the tank by blocking it on the ladder on top of these towers, although this doesn't stop other tank from climbing up and decking you off from the tower anyway. I also played the entire thing with 400 ping as my 2 other friends are from another continent, this took us about an entire day or so to beat, with us coming back to beat it again after months to see if it's still difficult. Moral of the story is: Chinese maps are notoriously difficult so always play those with caution.

[@aslightlystablefootsoldier9838]

Kaizo l4d

[@landlockedcroat1554]

holy shit he doesnt comment often im honored

[@dennisrocket9825]

12:36 now thats a good friend

[@AceTechn0]

Deathcraft II is still my favorite L4D2 map, the custom zombies, the actual campaign itself, the custom weapons, the nostalgia. I love it so much.

[@The_Bonfire06]

The Resident Evil campaigns are pretty fun. Honestly there is a lot of detail put into the campaigns. The puzzles are accurate, the maps are super accurate, and its just overall a good time

[@princesscadance197]

I get the strangest feeling like the map maker had good intentions, but is just new to good map design as a whole. Like it looks pretty decent visually, just regarding balance, ehh…

[@jockeysface8753]

Rosalina playing Left 4 dead 2.... ok?

[@XxInfinityxXTimer]

There's a reason why not all mod creator could make an official game better if they pulled stun like these with no experience from knowing their player's feedback or study on how to properly design a game that is fair for all players to pick up and play

[@garretford4920]

@@XxInfinityxXTimer This may have been there first map

[@nascoz3884]

it was

[@JuanCarlos-dz4tz]

@@XxInfinityxXTimer dmbzss

[@SonicAdventureEnjoyer]

this was the first map I ever downloaded when i first got my gaming PC, good to know I started with something rediculousy hard lol

[@AForceGaming]

'You got no respect" I thought it was a meme at the beginning but when you finish the video it hits differently

[@unsoundmusic8348]

I dont mind that beginning warning. I dont agree that every map should be for every player. Thats not realistic, and this was clearly meant to be a difficult multiplayer experience. If you play solo, other maps would probably be better, but no map is gonna satisfy everyone

[@cristheojon4884]

6:32 sounds like someone is enjoying grapefruit

[@apricot1368]

This has helped me a lot understanding level design for mapping, thank you

[@nascoz3884]

So, I've read every comment here. Some of you are very 🙂and some of you are very 😡. You guys can say whatever you want, I will take all of the feedback and hopefully make better videos in the future. For those of you asking for my bot addons, I will list them both here: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2279814689, steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=655424673. And 8 survivors: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1488979533

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

Honest question: why did you decide to review a campaign with 8 Survivors on your team? If it was to account for the campaign's difficulty, I could understand, but I don't think you specified. I don't see any evidence the campaign was designed for 8 people. IMO if you're *reviewing* a campaign you shouldn't install bot mods because most people don't use them. You had problems in this campaign that a vanilla player wouldn't experience, and also you likely avoided problems a vanilla player would run into. There's no correct way to review something, but I feel like this makes your review less useful to the majority of players. Maybe something to keep in mind in the future? EDIT: To clarify, I know you said you *think* this map would be unbeatable on Expert Realism without 8 players, but I get the feeling you started with 8 to begin with. Just a little odd IMO.

[@nascoz3884]

Correct, I should've shown the true horrors of the map without the extra addons. Your criticisms are accounted for and valid.

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

@@nascoz3884 Obviously there's nothing wrong with 8 player mods, I just wouldn't recommend it for a review specifically. Other than that, this was a good watch and I hope you make more of these 😊

[@kccrute8239]

@@nascoz3884 to be honest the complaints about the gut not respecting you are kinda pointless your just straw Manning the map creator i would think he put a lot of work into the map that you played just for to take a big shit all over it if he didn't care about the player he would not have put the work into the art style and sorry to say this but i think it fair to not have as much support for solo realism players after all Left 4 Dead is a team game

[@nascoz3884]

@@kccrute8239 A tank with modified 15,000 hp in the first minute of the campaign (Inside a invisible wall enclosure with periodic hordes) with 2 nerfed tier one weapons is a epic way to show off your art skills.

[@ManicObsevations]

So.. bad immersion Bad spawns Bad supplies Bad weapons Bad design

[@bananaskunk7020]

It was also on realism, half the things he complained about would be fixed with it turned off.

[@Smirving]

@@bananaskunk7020 so 3 tanks in a row with a bot that doesnt have pathfinding and game spawning 10 hunters after the jump part ?

[@bananaskunk7020]

@@Smirving I mean, you literally went out of your way to find situations that have nothing to do with realism to prove a point. Still does not make you right

[@Smirving]

@@bananaskunk7020 Bro read your own comment

[@bananaskunk7020]

@@Smirving my conment is in reference to supplies and weapons, there is nothing wrong with what I said. If you played realism before you'd understand

[@anon9469]

"The truck drives off..." He says, as the truck is clearly being pulled away by wires.

[@WaterLeaf]

Unrelated to this map in specific but I'm STILL on the hunt for a specific l4d2 campaign I can't find anymore. It's whole gimmick was having obscure alternate paths and inserting dead center one onto different official campaigns. Glados showed up at one point, and I think it got rather artsy towards the end? I can't remember what it was called for the LIFE of me and it's driving me mad.

[@awsomkid3735]

Did you find it yet?

[@WaterLeaf]

@@awsomkid3735 Haven't yet; no.

[@erlandir9121]

Bruh... I actually got scared by those jumpscares. Even his dog is more brave than I'm :C

[@UncleMetallich]

Day Break and Dark Wood are very overrated for me. In Day Break I hate the last level. I don’t like Scavenge ending, especially in a very poor game designed level. Dark Wood’s just a shitty campaign, I hate especially that map with a timer in the end. I don’t really understand why people call them the best.

[@nascoz3884]

You know, looking back on those maps, I think I agree with you. They are overrated.

[@francis5284]

Never played Day break myself, but i can somewhat see what you mean about Dark wood, i kinda look at Dark wood as a campaign you just kinda play through with some mates and have fun finding the easter eggs, i mean you can't deny its got a lot of detail

[@tylergamerphung]

I don’t even care the maps are overrated.

[@francis5284]

@@tylergamerphung Right then!

[@genericdevtexture3661]

Day break is special to me just because of its last few chapters having a sort of moody aesthetic that I love

[@EdyAlbertoMSGT3]

0:04 ATRI: My dear moments i think is the name. I played it.

[@Fly40]

Turns difficulty to expert: shocked when game is hard

[@sauronkamidogu4826]

I love how you genuinely missed the 2nd jump scare 😂😂😂

[@joerodher2495]

I get how the map was made exclusively for all human players teams. Some things about the map are only made to put the player to a big struggle, and it is a great way to keep the game relevant for advanced and expert players. Putting them to the edge, making them feel insignificant, only for them to feel invincible at the end of the campaign for beating all the hazards it threw at them. The creator made it clear at the beginning, play with human players or go to hell. It's like playing I Wanna Be The Guy, but in L4D2. I also get how unfinished it feels, but you can figure that aout at the beginning by reading only chapters 1,2, 5 and 6 are available. I just hope the campaign gets bigger and more polished with the time, because I see huge potencial by looking at the atmosphere, the buildings, the signs, everything makes you feel out of place, because you are in another country, in a place you are not used to live in. If I were to summarize this campaign in a few words, I would say: "uneasiness, survival, imposible challenge, dread". Only for players who like big challenges.

[@oliverthedum2129]

Unless you live in that country then it’s not out of place?

[@juncheok8579]

Am I missing something? why is everyone saying that the creator is telling solo players to go to hell?

[@KabouKasko]

@@juncheok8579 because without a decent teamate, you have 99% screw with tho horde and tank, bot kinda dumb in the map

[@raiva1963]

>Play Expert Realism >Why is this map so hard? Still, great video.

[@konodioda4182]

I played the map alreadey bevore i watched your video. And all i have to say is, there are a lot of maps with insane difficulty, but the good maps always give you tools to clear it. I never finished Home Town, and after seeing this Video, i will not even think about it.

[@peterwhite6415]

A part of me wonders if this Map was supose to be some kind of open city exploration, as you move between safe houses to find a way out, as you go through rooftops and maybe old sewer tunnels... but I was quickly proven wrong. The invisible barriers make me wonder if the map maker wasnt sure how to use of the destructable enviroment to create artificicla barriers to block the players and tell them "You come from this way, theres nothing back here now, go somewhere else". Honeslty theres some creative ideas as you have to create your own paths with the destruction, but the good is often overshadowed by the bad. Alot of the later chapters give the vibe that the Map maker gave up and just threw whatever BS he could to make it hard for no reason.

[@traplegend5065]

I can appreciate how hard this is. Since like this on normal is similar to expert on others, and its really a test of skill and teamplay, even when its made poorly in some parts (imo).

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

7:43 Maybe I just have bad taste but I can't help loving the jump scares in this campaign. They're so strange and unexpected, and even though they're not very scary there's something so charming about a campaign that's not afraid to get weird. They work as cute little jokes, whether that's intentional or not 😝

[@nascoz3884]

"Yeppers!" - Nick

[@znerodarp5392]

Jumpscares gives me type 4 heart attacks

[@Nightflyermike]

but they are so poorly executed. You could make a better jumpscare in 1993 doom

[@squishy1567]

I think it's a reference from the "House" 1977, like in Gorillaz video "Rock it"

[@czarnakoza9697]

​@@Nightflyermike funny thing is you actually cant, og doom is incapable of onscreen screamers, youd have to make a room with a custom texture and a custom monster that plays a sound

[@yourconscious7395]

Bro invented “witerally”

[@nascoz3884]

I think it's safe to say that I understand the english language more than anyone. I invent new words. It's the nascoz vocabulary after all.

[@captainkarmine9014]

Personally, I think 2019 and 2019 II were good maps. They did seem too big at times, and empty, but I think the story and later levels were the best part.

[@nascoz3884]

I view them as experimental maps

[@oxideactual1018]

Probably the best two custom maps at telling a story.

[@kertz6773]

The fuck is 2019 II, 2019 Part 2? lmao

[@KaiserWilhe]

Wait a fucking minute, no one mentioned it but the stick grenade has the symbol for the SS Dirlewanger brigade on it. You know, the one that committed some of the worst warcrimes during the Warsaw uprising

[@koberburwa]

>the game tells me to play on normal with teammates, wtf, I'm an expert player, no respect. >Proceeds to complain about it being too challenging and the bots being useless

[@nascoz3884]

>The description tells you to not take the video seriously. >Proceeds to take the video seriously and complains about it. Do you see how ridiculous this is?

[@kingalastor936]

@@nascoz3884 it's not exactly.... Easy to know what is to be taken seriously and what isn't when 99% of the time you are monotone.

[@NicDoesDumbThings]

​@@nascoz3884 >Ruthlessly tear down someone's work for 20 minutes with a low effort video >Worked up over one negative comment Do you see how ridiculous this is?

[@nascoz3884]

@@NicDoesDumbThings you're like one year late.

[@stratego6639]

@@nascoz3884 🤏

[@Shirkerz]

0:38 its literally called the suffering so idk what you were expecting

[@nascoz3884]

k

[@de_dan]

L4d is not designed for suffering

[@AtomicBanana2000]

This seems like a pretty standard workshop with some neat mechanical elements, it’s definitely not one of the worst. The majority of the issues you have with the map are evidently self inflicted, it clearly says at the start that the map is intended for a party of 4 on normal difficulty but you use 8 bots instead and then up the difficulty. It’s ok to not like the requirements but not following them is obviously going to negatively impact gameplay. The weapon changes also seem to be optional addons that aren’t forced onto the player.

[@nascoz3884]

I could've made this video better by playing with the intended settings as well as Expert difficulty. However, that doesn't change the point I was trying to make here.

[@cdsatcher]

The four fucking tanks you have to fight at the end?

[@AtomicBanana2000]

@@cdsatcher I mean yeah questionable balancing isn't too out of the ordinary for custom maps, especially for maps that are intended to be difficult. I wouldn't say that makes it one of the worst maps on the workshop, a mediocre or poor one sure but not at the bottom.

[@AtomicBanana2000]

@@nascoz3884 You definitely make some valid complaints but the tone of the video feels really harsh considering that this is apparently the guys first map, that he's spent 3 years working on, and that the issues don't seem that game breaking.

[@aboi6638]

@@nascoz3884 Not every map needs to be for every person. It's okay if it's only balanced around normal difficulty with friends. Want to play a single player map which is balanced for all difficulties?Then go find a map that is designed for that. Infact I think there should be more maps balanced around specific settings, allows the creator more freedom to custom tailor each situation. At the end of the day it's a free map made by a hobbyists.

[@Joel-oy5zc]

It's fitting that you used PvZ Big Wave Beach music at the first Tank attack, considering Big wave beach is notorious for being unbalanced.

[@nascoz3884]

Exactly what I was thinking when I made this.

[@krychur4956]

first map: didn't realize the tank had so much health at first. I thought I had to run to that run where it comes from. JFC... and only having tier 1 weapons in such a confined space hurts. second map: couldn't even beat this one because the bots would run beneath the building and spontaneously die.

[@WannabeVTS]

L4d player experiences something moderatly hard and instantly folds

[@nascoz3884]

Bai mountain, play it you wussy.

[@unowncommenter9581]

4:43 honestly, the Big Wave Beach BGM is the perfect kind of music to play for unfair BS like this.

[@Pathetic_Pers]

Agreed. Everytime you hear BWB, You know your fucked

[@RavenRGH]

What's hilarious is that Big Wave Beach itself also doesn't respects the player

[@CoolyCools]

​@@RavenRGHtrue as hell

[@T4B_M3RC]

7:34 thankfully I looked away at the last second lol, I've been playing some horror games and now I am pretty glad I dodged it lol.

[@standard-carrier-wo-chan]

The map aesthetics looks freaking gorgeous, shame its absolutely horrid map design destroys it

[@victoriaevelyn3953]

I could never figure out how to play with all 8 survivors I'm glad to see it's possible

[@chocolatechipcookieseverywhere]

fact: this campaign was made for OP chinese servers Edit: Oh hey he hearted my comment oh yay mom im famous yippee yippee

[@shen-f8c]

You know the critique’s gonna be constructive and substantiated when the reviewer starts malding over suggestions made by an author of a free fanwork

[@nascoz3884]

You should be afraid of something that is "free" including this platform you're on.

[@shen-f8c]

@@nascoz3884 Sweetheart, you’re talking about a custom L4D2 campaign Take off your tin foil hat and chill out

[@nascoz3884]

@@shen-f8c The campaign additional changes to l4d2 core weapon mechanics follow outside the campaign and onto the rest of your l4d2.

[@shen-f8c]

@@nascoz3884 So?

[@nascoz3884]

​@@shen-f8c Suggested isn't suggested when the changes are there regardless.

[@HereticYoshi]

Oh I remember playing this with some friends. We never did finish it after getting to the area at around 7:00. We must have played an older version of the campaign at the time, because I don't remember the teleport into a jumpscare room if you fell into the pit below and just died instead.

[@ObsidianHunter99]

If this map is set on a coastline over in Asia I don't think having mudnen is too out of character of the area you're playing in was hit by a typhoon, however since that specific context isn't delivered I can see how it throws pretty much everyone off

[@funny_man.]

Smoker's mad af scream when he missed 💀 10:24

[@08lazyrat]

I'm gonna make this comments about hometown more because i can. So home town campaign has custom weapon scripts... so i try test out to see is any of them good. Coop and Realism gamemode change to: "ammo_ASSAULTRIFLE_max" 240 (360) "ammo_AUTOSHOTGUN_max" 56 (90) "ammo_GRENADELAUNCHER_max" 40 (30) "ammo_HUNTINGRIFLE_max" 90 (150) "ammo_SHOTGUN_max" 32 (72) "ammo_SMG_max" 360 (650) "ammo_SNIPERRIFLE_max" 35 (180) [why???] Here are some weapons stats change, i will only list the major one: (##) -> Original. Almost all the gun has "VerticalPunch" very high. probably to make gun feel powerful. Pistol: MinDuckingSpread "2" (0.5) MinStandingSpread "3" (1.5) MinInAirSpread "5" (3.0) MaxMovementSpread "8" (3.0) //Worst than ak accuracy. Damage "70" (36) CycleTime "0.4" (0.175) //Rate of fire. The lower it get, the faster it will shoot. Clip size "6" (15) Magnum: Damage "35" (80) Range "2400" (3500) CycleTime "0.15" (0.3) Clip size "20" (8) Pump shotgun: Damage "20" (25) Range "1200" (3000) RangeModifier "0.8" (0.7) //If out of the "Range" Value, the "Damage" will only deal "0.8" = 80% of damage. Bullets "17" (10) Max Damage "340" (250) //If all the pellets hits. Clip size "7" (8) Chrome shotgun: PelletScatterPitch "7.0" (3.0) PelletScatterYaw "10.0" (5.0) //You need to get very close to hit anythings Damage "115" (31) Range "700" (3000) RangeModifier "0.8" (0.7) Bullets "6" (8) Max Damage "690" (248) Clip size "4" (8) SMG: (Or the UZI) Damage "30" (20) GainRange "900" Range "1800" (2500) RangeModifier "0.75" (0.84) CycleTime "0.08" (0.0625) Clip size "40" (50) Silenced SMG: (Or the Mac-10) GainRange "800" (900) Range "1500" (2200) RangeModifier "0.8" (0.84) MP5: Damage "35" (24) GainRange "1000" Range "2000" (2500) RangeModifier "0.75" (0.84) Clip size "35" (50) All the sniper all extreme inaccuracy while unscope. you actually need to scope in to hit anythings now, otherwise it will miss. not recommend for survivors bots. AWP: Damage "600" (115) CycleTime "1.25" (1.05) Clip size "5" (20) Scout: Damage "350" (105) CycleTime "1.0" (0.9) Clip size "8" (15) Hunting rifle: Damage "250" (90) CycleTime "0.3" (0.25) Clip size "8" (15) Military sniper: Damage "150" (90) CycleTime "0.35" (0.25) Clip size "15" (30) Autoshotgun: Damage "15" (23) Range "900" (3000) RangeModifier "0.8" (0.7) Bullets "20" (11) Max Damage "300" (253) Clip size "7" (10) SPAS-12: Damage "26" (28) Range "1500" (3000) RangeModifier "0.8" (0.7) Bullets "10" (9) Max Damage "260" (252) Clip size "8" (10) Rifle: (Or the M16) SpreadPerShot "1.2" (0.75) MinDuckingSpread "1.25" (0.05) MinStandingSpread "2" (0.4) MinInAirSpread "3" (1.5) Damage "36" (33) Range "2500" (3000) RangeModifier "0.8" (0.97) GainRange "1300" (1500) CycleTime "0.075" (0.0875) Clip size "100" (50) AK47: Damage "48" (58) Clip size "30" (40) Desert rifle: (Or the FN SCAR) SpreadPerShot "0.75" (0.6) MinDuckingSpread "0.3" (0.05) MinStandingSpread "1" (0.35) MinInAirSpread "2.5" (1.25) Damage "43" (44) Range "4000" (3000) RangeModifier "0.75" (0.97) GainRange "2500" (1500) CycleTime "0.0875" (0.07) Clip size "42" (60) SG552: SpreadPerShot "1.2" (0.75) MinDuckingSpread "0.5" (0.05) MinStandingSpread "1" (0.4) MinInAirSpread "3" (1.5) Damage "45" (33) Range "2700" (3000) GainRange "1400" (1500) CycleTime "0.12" (0.0825) Clip size "30" (50) Grenade launcher: ReloadDuration "2.33" //Reload faster M60: SpreadDecay "5" (7) MinDuckingSpread "1" (0.5) MinStandingSpread "3" (1) MinInAirSpread "5" (3) CycleTime "0.12" (0.11) In conclusion. Hunting rifle are op, Grenade launcher is 🅿ETTER, I like the M16, Magnum is ok, (Is just a pistol disguise as a Magnum) everythings else is bad and trash.

[@08lazyrat]

Good luck beat hometown with this garbages. because is much worst with this, even on normal.

[@theRedGman]

I love the fact you use big wave beach during the tank fight

[@nascoz3884]

yessir

[@saverofthehumens]

The weapon modifications are accurate to real life, like the AK with its normal 30 round mag and harsher recoil especially with the wooden buttstock compared to the AR family. *Then again we are in a world where a steroid abuser can become the Hulk through a F L U*

[@cringydinosaur635]

I love the use of big wave beach because how hard it is when the tank appears btw, Glubtastic is a hard joke map but that's the purpose, this map is a disaster on design and difficulty that can put B4B difficulty to shame

[@aslightlystablefootsoldier9838]

Big wave is the dark souls of Pvz 🗿

[@xeno8956]

3k hours in l4d2 is crazy

[@dezmas9332]

One thing about the map because it's Chinese, they got a weird power obsessed culture, it's likely that making it so hard was purposeful for some kind of bragging rights

[@Fezezen]

The one thing I hate about a lot of custom campaigns is that they don't know how to get the length right. So many custom campaigns have maps that go on and on without a safe room. It really tests my patience because if my team fails a map, we have to restart and go through that ALL OVER AGAIN. And then there's the ones that have like 10 maps in one campaign. Ideally, for a good player who prefers advanced as the best difficulty, a campaign should last at most around 20 minutes or so. The worst one that I can't even remember the name of, that one that had the baby crying crescendo event, had this SUPER LONG cave that lasted forever. And it was just super lazy brush work. It only vaguely looked like a cave. No ammo, no health items, nothing to keep the players going for that long. Then the map maker had the audacity to throw in a double tank encounter at the end. Even Glubtastic 1 isn't so unforgiving.

[@nascoz3884]

:)

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

20 minutes at most seems pretty short though. Most official campaigns are designed to last 30-60 minutes, especially for players who aren't rushing to the exit. It's definitely true that a lot of custom campaigns are too long though.

[@Fezezen]

@@QuintessentialWalrus Idk, I don't usually pay attention to how long it took after completing one so I just guessed based on the last few times I did a vanilla campaign.

[@maboilaurence8227]

You know things are bad when a troll map like Glubtastic feels more fair than this one.

[@hal0w_]

him: complains that the map maker sends 7 tanks boy, sounds like someone hasn’t played survival

[@Dashx64]

it took too long to realize this channel is run by two homies, not one...lol

[@SolomonSamms]

imagine playing a video game and thinking you need to go to the creator and personally attack them, wild.

[@nascoz3884]

It sure is wild. Oh wait a second...

[@darkaidenalex3551]

the art of chinese players, making maps that they think are fun because of a very challenging objective, but no they typed "z_spawn" like a billion times with "z_spawn tank" 20 times and then made the guns like they were's 100 years ago

[@FreneticPotato]

As someone who has had the unfortunate pleasure of experiencing BS chinese maps throughout the years: Don't. Just don't.

[@EarthFireblaze6400]

You've got no respect : 4:55 5:34 9:05 13:14 20:50

[@renzoalagon]

>No friends to play with >Gets mad Skill issue

[@nascoz3884]

Reality.

[@dr.henrymiller5112]

"hmmm, the author said that the best difficulty for solo is normal... nah, screw it, let's play on realism expert"

[@nascoz3884]

I don't regret it.

[@ZackPl4yzRoblox]

ellis and zoey died, they're finally back toget- nvm

[@nighttraveler9993]

The first map "El sufrimiento" means the suffering in spanish

[@nascoz3884]

It makes sense.

[@ZelphTheWebmancer]

Simply put: Spain without the S

[@smgeezus7186]

>Doesn't understand or appreciate the original creator's intention with the campaign. >Mocks difficulty warning while using a mod that allows eight survivors to play the game at once >Refuses to elaborate >Posts video anyways

[@nascoz3884]

Trueeeee

[@smgeezus7186]

@@nascoz3884 all jokes aside, I love your videos, man. Like, it's been a long time since I've been able to watch anything or anyone entertaining regarding Left 4 Dead 2. By the end of the video, I do agree that the balancing of this map is absolutely wretched, but from what I've been reading I think there are specific modpacks designed for this map. I hope I didn't come off as an ass, thank you for your time!

[@CptJack-ws8nz]

I'd love to see you do Reviews of more Workshop Campaigns and the Valve made Campaigns

[@keegan6863]

I like that the rescue truck just goes in reverse and slides all over the place

[@bluekirby6480]

The fact that the map creator replaces the base guns, but also made it worst, it's freaking historical 😂

[@foxbuthigh5764]

Imagine playing this in versus.

[@nascoz3884]

Horrifying

[@foxbuthigh5764]

@@nascoz3884 I honestly don't know which part would make it harder, having to play pixel-perfect if you don't want to get kicked or the player infected.

[@butilikepizzatho4851]

I remember playing this map, granted it was with 4 friends on normal and i found it enjoyable and we all had less than 200 hours in the game

[@jaketr8198]

6:29 in our country we call Bun Bo aka Vietnamese beef noodle, and 6:33 is eating noodle sfx so don't worry

[@9520221]

Yeah same as the chinese noodle so it’s pretty normal,in fact that this map’s theme is set in china.

[@AlqhemyA]

I personally don’t mind weapons being swapped for WW2 era weapons, because I like them. And honestly I get way more worked up than I should about gun inaccuracies.

[@phantomthedrake8420]

Fun fact: I plan to make an overly hard campaign that you will need to use your brain not just brawn to survive.

[@thouxanworldpeace]

Fun fact: I am mentally unstable and armed

[@random_commenter-xix]

I think the most upsetting thing about the map pack is that they called it tank paradise and not tankstas paradise.

[@john_marstonof1911]

15:25 was genuinely funny

[@TheBucket_Man]

i love how this dude hearts every comment even hate comments lmao

[@composerdavidgiannivaldez367]

I played this map about a month or two ago (Before seeing this video) On single player Advanced, with no bot addons and basically just weapon skins. I had about 290 hours in l4d2 on steam at the time, but I'd been playing l4d2 since I was a kid. The map was so forgettable that I'd forgotten I completed it! I had to skip chapter 2 because I had trouble figuring out the layout, and then when I did, I had no idea where to go following the infinite horde event. After that, I got to the finale (After dying once on chapter 3 due to the triple tank spawn). When I got to the finale, I remember thinking about how much of a slog it was. I didn't realize a total of 7 tanks spawned during that time because I was so bored out of my mind killing them that it became trivial and annoying, since all I did was camp in one spot and shoot and then move around. Honestly, after seeing your review I'm damn surprised I even completed it. I've been gaining more knowledge about l4d2 recently and I've played a lot more custom campaigns since then (I'm even thinking of designing my own). I really liked the aesthetic of the map, and didn't think it was horribly difficult. I think its main problems were definitely the bot navigation (I had to solo two out of the three tanks on my own in chapter 3 because my bots died both times) and the difficulty pacing. (Feel free to skip this next part, I just enjoy digressing into my knowledge of the theory-side of things) In the community's favorite official valve campaigns (i.e. Dead Center, Dark Carnival, No Mercy, Death Toll) there is a simple structure. The first chapter is the introduction to the setting, the plot, and introduces your storyline. There is not much difficulty, as it's supposed to be the introduction. This is because the campaigns are following the typical arc of a story. Chapter 1 may have a few swarms coming at you (Incoming attacks), but I don't believe they have a crescendo event, or anything too difficult. Then, we go to the middle chapters. These may include an inciting incident (Ex. in Deathtoll, Riverside doesn't make it, so they have to go to the docks. This leads to the ridiculous gauntlet event through the town.) and one or two crescendo events. These make the game feel fun and difficult. They make sense in the story, and the level is designed knowing what the players will encounter. In the end, you're supposed to experience that finale, climax kind of feeling. That's why there are a few hordes and tanks coming at you. This is the most difficult part of the entire story. And the level is designed around it. Dark Carnival gives you a stage, a couple of high-rise towers to shoot off of, and supplies and weapons. Death toll gives you the boat house. Of course, the way the finale plays out heavily influences the design. i.e. Dead Center, The Passing, and The Sacrifice all require you to split up in order to gas the car, or start the generators, so they separated them out and made a bigger map. The Parish is a gauntlet event, so they designed it to be one long bridge, with the infected coming at you from the front. These things make it obvious how to deal with each problem that l4d2 will throw your way. (Rant over) In this campaign, the biggest and most glaring problem is its difficulty. Yes, it gets more difficult as you go along. However, it overuses the special infected to measure the difficulty. You'll notice that this map was designed around the special infected, and not around the story of the map, or what the intended "event" is. Ex. - Chap. 2 When 10 of those hunters spawned. It's obvious the map creator made that segment on the roofs, where there are no buildings to obstruct the hunters, precisely so the hunters could pounce on you from everywhere. If the creator had wanted chargers instead of hunters, they would've designed a maze full of small corridors. This is the same problem with chapter 3. It's a long run, dedicated to dealing with the tanks that will spawn your way. If the creator had wanted it to be about witches, that chapter would've taken place in a cave with no lights, and lots of infected to cover up where the witches were hiding. In the finale, the creator knows that 4 tanks are about to come and beat your ass, so they make a helicopter come and drop you a machine gun and some supplies. What makes a l4d2 event fun and memorable isn't the special infected, as you will notice in the valve campaigns. It's the way valve designs the map to fit a "bigger picture" event. It seems that this map creator just had a different focus than what makes a typical l4d2 map good. They almost designed this map with the intent of training you on killing tanks. If they had instead focused on what story they were telling (You could tell there was some paranormal aspect that they were shooting for) this map could've been a lot better. They don't have to sacrifice the difficulty either. I feel that, if this map were redesigned with a clearer story and structure in mind, and with a much better handle of the different types of events l4d2 has to offer, it has the potential of being a great map. A fun, paranormal twist on l4d2 set in 1940s China can definitely be something incredibly fun. There is a lot of playful ideas you can have. For example, if I were the creator of this map, I would've leaned in on the paranormal aspect. In chapter 2, to enhance them collecting gas cans to burn down a barricade, I would've designed the level during this event to be darker, as if taking place the night after chapter 1. I would want the map to be eerily empty of zombies, and suspiciously easy. This would make it tenser as they approach the gas cans. At this point, its fun to mess with the player. Maybe, you could start playing special infected sounds when there are none. Just to keep the players on edge. Then, I would've added a few special infected spawns, and focused on making the map larger and possibly full of smaller corridors when nearing the gas cans. Add in some lights, to signal where the paths for the gas canw are, and you've got a pretty good map. Because the special infected sounds are playing, these would obscure the special infected that are actually there, and the players would now be on edge during this typical gas can run. It would also set up an expectation that the campaign is toying with your mind. This is a much nicer gimmick for the rising action of the story (whatever it may be), and is more forgiving to average players, as they likely won't take much damage if on lower difficulty, but less forgiving on expert, as the more tense you are during this section, the more panicked you will be. If you're more panicked, you're more likely to overlook when a special infected is about to get you. Plus, it seems easy enough to design. There isn't any special coding involved and mostly relies on triggering sounds and clever spawn points. Now, with this new focus, the design of every map following suddenly becomes clear as you look for ways to design every map around this central idea of mindfuckery. This is just one way I think the campaign could've been improved. Of course, this isn't the only way to improve the map. It's just a fun idea I had because I liked the paranormal aspect it had in the earlier chapters. Although, after reading some comments, I do understand that this map wanted to heavily reference chinese culture and films. If the creator had taken more ideas from there and implemented it into his map, to complement the l4d2 playstyle, I really think it would've been a unique and fun experience.

[@Wawa_cat123]

nah lets be honest this map is kinda what would happen in actual china because of the population and the loud gunshots aswell as the helicopter not wanting to save you because they're way to scared of getting taken down by a tank