Nate Hagens l The Superorganism and the future‍ l Stockholm Impact/Week 2023

The Superorganism and the future‍ by Nate Hagens, director of the Institute for the Study of Energy & Our Future, host of the Great Simplification podcast. Recorded live at Stockholm Impact Week 2023.
Stockholm Impact Week is an annual Summit hosted by Norrsken and the City of Stockholm, dedicated to defining the critical issues of our time and enabling solutions to them.
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[@musicaismylovica]

Nate Hagens for president

[@bencarr8809]

he is

[@ideafood4U]

Clear presentation Nate. Too bad they would not show this on the nightly news.

[@Lyra0966]

Well, if the majority of people properly understood these issues we might have to change this wonderful capitalist system in to something genuinely sustainable and equitable, and we can't have that, can we?

[@ideafood4U]

@@melkadmidis4363 You make a good point.

[@ideafood4U]

@@Lyra0966 I doubt if leaders of any economic system would not use fossil fuels.

[@chrismullin8304]

That will result in more chaos.

[@reuireuiop0]

​@@melkadmidis4363If they knew, they'd also pick up on Prince and be dancing like it's 1999, cuz in 2000, at oil-clima-geddon, party's over

[@Shanjuran-ug6go]

I personally simplified many years ago and I would like to highly recommend it to everyone.

[@achenarmyst2156]

Absolutely. Simplification is one of the most important principles of the „bend, not break“ scheme.

[@davidjohnson-tq4qx]

Disposing of my complexity was hard but once my life began to simply I understood right away how simple it really was

[@meshalshahid8103]

I like it when Nate said, Climate Change is not a problem but a symptom for other big environmental problems

[@qbas81]

Exactly - I have reached same conclusion. Like fever is symptom of infection not independent problem.

[@rabbitcreative]

> Climate Change is not a problem but a symptom for other big environmental problems Like not being vegan.

[@viperviperviper2]

I am so lucky to say that 'I was there'.

[@ninjasonfire0]

legend

[@zpettigrew]

This presentation should be shown in all public and private schools. Also on public broadcasting (PBS, BBC etc). Prepare humans - especially young humans - for the future they will (are being) confronted with.

[@RadekPilich]

First the recent podcast episode with Sapolsky and now this lecture...... My 18 months long waiting for the uncompromisingly excellent media asset to use to spread Nate's ideas is now finally over and I will have to do my part. Nate, brother, thank you for what you do.

[@crowlsyong]

20:07 "We have outsourced our wisdom as a species to the financial incentive system." Well said.

[@crowlsyong]

25:38 "...global economy will be four times bigger..." woah

[@learningthroughdoing1641]

Fantastic explanation Nate, thank you! I love the way you have made sense of the entangled mess we are in and then make it accessible to folks like me who know little about energy, finance or political governance.

[@LisJack52]

Excellent presentation of reality. Thank you Nate!

[@celiakettle6909]

I love the quote about small islands of resistance shifting the entire system. It makes me think of how important it is to remember all the small groups of people working around the world to mitigate climate disaster whether it is working on 'hope spots' to re populate marine diversity, or on soil regeneration in permaculture. I have hope that all these small contributions will collectively begin to make a difference.

[@MichaelSillion]

Your best sum-up so far on the state of the planet 🌎🌍🌏 We have a lot to work with!

[@warrenwood3212]

You are a star. Thanks for keeping at it.

[@matchhanson1642]

this makes me cry.

[@zonedoyestander]

It has been fun fellow humans!

[@carlovonterragon]

It's really great to see Nate on Stage 🙂

[@matizieu]

I think this is one of the best versions of the Superorganism/Metacrisis talk that I've ever seen. Extraordinarily well done. There are those of us who have heard the call, and are working on solutions. Thank you for your efforts to make sure we're looking at the right problem. This is crucial, critical work for humanity's future. Thank you.

[@MendeMaria-ej8bf]

Wow, how great to see Nate Hagens on this platform together with other experts whom he interviewed on his podcast shows. He's a real initiator and avantgardist. Thank you.

[@TennesseeJed]

I like Nate's way.

[@stringlarson1247]

I've been following Nate for over the past decade. He's brilliant, and his life story is fascinating.

[@lovman]

Nate has given this briefing many dozens of times, but this one, with its time limit, is one of his best, covering all key topics in 45 minutes. He offers a 23 hour course at UMinn on this topic called "Reality Blind."

[@robinschaufler444]

Love his book, vol. 1. Hope he can sneak some time into producing vol. 2.

[@sgramstrup]

I'm glad he teamed up with Daniel Smachtenberger. Those two are a phenomenally smart team. I hope they reach out to Tristan Harris and similar 'systems thinker' front runners..

[@arb0r]

I see 450 billion Daniels at 4:42...

[@David-hz1od]

Nate has a great podcast episode with Tristan Harris

[@raoultesla2292]

Yes, Tristan could explain how the A/GI can solve all human problems in just weeks.

[@robinschaufler444]

I sure wish Nate would have Daniel back on to explain Game B. What I've read of Game B sounds seductive, until it gets into crypto and blockchains. It takes vast amounts of energy to run blockchains. It's Tech in Hyperdrive. The complexity of crypto and blockchains is mind boggling. What the heck is crypto doing smack in the middle of a shift to a simpler, lower energy civilization??? Maybe Daniel could explain it.

[@mrbisse1]

Good job, Nate! I'll probably watch it at least one more time, and I have shared it.

[@dankoepp68]

Awesome compilation of the great simplification series of Mr. Nate Hagen's. I propose his presentation is a must see for every student!

[@chrismullin8304]

Warning: Watching “The Great Simplification” may result in depression. NOT watching will result in extinction.

[@stringlarson1247]

​@@chrismullin8304very well stated. Continued listening and learning will help keep one from despair.

[@robinschaufler444]

@@chrismullin8304 Watching “The Great Simplification” may result in ELATION. Joy that the curtain is pulled back, and now that the truth is revealed, maybe we can do something about it.

[@danrubin4506]

“We have outsourced our wisdom to the global economic system.” 23:32 There is no driver on this bus and we are headed for a point of no return. Massive ecological breakdown, catastrophic weather events and brutal inequality are already here. More is coming.

[@barbcarbon9440]

So grateful that Nate is being put in front of people who can actually put the information to use and make change. 🙏🏽

[@crowlsyong]

Thank you.

[@EnemyOfEldar]

Nate! This was amazing. Your most succinct presentation.

[@Dtansing1]

Excellent presentation Nate. Hello from Australia. I look forward to seeing you back on your own channel soon.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

I can't think of a more appropriate person than you, Nate, to educate our society to all of these concerns. Thank you for attempting to rip the blinders off, of and for, humanity.

[@pascalxus]

this is incredible. the simple example of milking production vs energy inputs is quite eye opening. i wish more people could see this.

[@alastairmackenzie639]

Great mapping out of the predicament we face. Thank you for your work clarifying the depth of change we need

[@erikrhendrickson]

Loved this talk. Thank you for the presentation. I would however, point out the slide @42:44 showing people together in a CAR as the solution to transport not quite ideal...I cycle every day to and from work, the store for food shopping/groceries, AND to recreate or travel to meet friends...the bicycle also aligns well with "reduced complexity" model for future development...more people out of cars in onto bikes or into trams/railways seems to be a simple way to reduce fuel consumption...and reduce diseases like obesity, diabetes, and heart issues(thus less need for pharma)... Again, this is an excellent presentation and thought provoking for sure. thank you.

[@frankwhite1816]

Love your work, Nate, thank you so much for sharing this. Dig that shirt, too! BE KIND. If we're going to make it through the Polycrisis/Metacrisis we're going to need your unique mind and voice. Blessings, brother.

[@harveytheparaglidingchaser7039]

Another great synthesis. This should be on all school curricula

[@Seawithinyou]

Oh My Gosh What an Incredible Well Laid out presentation of your Superorganism Impact Your Audience were Amazed also which brought a emotional wee tear Loved how you mentioned our wee country of Aotearoa NZ as a possible land of Hope for our future along with Australia and European countries God Bless all Living things And next watch your endearing friends Olivia and Daniel next 🕊🌳🌊💖

[@packardsonic]

The solution is astoundingly simple. We must remember and remind our objective: meet everyone's needs. Most people don't even know their own needs, they don't realize most of them are psychological and social. Once people understand our goal is to meet everyone's needs, they then can be led to understand why putting conditions on meeting people's needs is counterproductive, it is opposed to the objective. If you want a practical action to take. Invite people to altruistic peer to peer networks like there is no tomorrow. It works, focus on one to see better results. Don't think it is belittling to focus effort and time on ad advertising a website. Keeping it simple is what works.

[@carolspencer6915]

Loved all of that. Truly brilliant. 💜

[@annethacker8292]

Brilliant! Thank you for your tireless efforts....So well organized and clear...

[@chrismullin8304]

Nate had an interview with a butterfly expert and ecology professor. Since the 1970’s, we have lost 1-2% of insect bio-mass per year, globally. We are now measuring a 30% decline. In ten years it will be 40-50%. What happens when the foundation of the food pyramid disappears? Do we eat each other?

[@marinaneil5814]

I hope the soylent green manufacturers buy carbon offsets :p

[@user-jn3hf8zk2v]

Nate - a great concise and cleaer presntation bringing together so much that you have been explaining/exposing viewers/listeners to. Much, much needed. I am hoping it is just a matter of time before some federal legislator invites you to present in a hearing. It will probably be one who has announced that he/she is not running for reelection....

[@aristotleinbottle8012]

beautiful

[@user-nx8fy4cd6u]

Це неймовірно! Дякую Нейт!

[@life42theuniverse]

Thanks.

[@europaeuropa3673]

Educate the US Congress on this subject matter. They need to be educated ASAP.

[@michaelhart2715]

It’s the voters who need to be educated. Congress people know this. Some just do not care. Some have financial interest in feigning doubt. A couple of them are actual idiots who picked their stance without ever looking into it. An educated and informed people is critical to solving these issues. Hope we can figure it out.

[@cesarpulgarin4046]

Excellent!

[@fabianhaglund5792]

Amazing talk and so many great points, but just like Daniel Schmachtenberger he seems so comprehensively assertive and conclusive for topics that are wildly complex containing huge unknowns factors including potentially giant black swans, just so hard to predict the future. Eveyrthing changes if we see the emergence of energy and compute abundance.

[@tubem8]

so good

[@goodnatureart]

way to go! I am with you on us kicking the can down the road. climate crisis is a symptom of our species eclipsing the boundaries of nature. Love the idea of a road closed sign ahead, or DEAD END. Silence, meditation and learning about ecosystems will be good for everyone even if we go extinct. DNA is always learning even in the transformation we call lifedeath.

[@javatvasidasa8134]

❤ We have nothing to lose ( we never had control or ownership of the planet) but everyone to gain. If we are real persons we will grow to love all other real persons facilitated by the struggles we face in overcoming our lust for power in all of its forms.

[@f.goossens8118]

"Even if we go extinct"? Come look in my granddaughter's eyes and say that. Humans, *natural* humans (if any are now left) are *part* of Nature. We are not the enemy. Look to the destruction of nature at the stakeholders of certain mega corporations currently trying to dictate our destiny.

[@i.m.gurney]

For years I have been proposing that humanity needs to administer the whole periodic table, all of its derivatives & energy. Nate, you are certainly moving in the correct direction, you do appear to be suggesting we move beyond an anthropocentric view, system. Not wanting to detract from your message, I believe, you.., we, need to include a more detailed understanding of physics in this plan. We know that energy can not be deleted, only moved around. The whole universe is energy, either unbound, what we call energy or locally bound, what we call matter. We have started to understand how to convert locally bound energy (matter) to unbound energy (energy), but currently we have very little understanding of how to undertake the conversion in the other direction, we are useless at making matter. So matter is more precious to us than energy (for now). I am not onboard with you view that we need to reduce complexity, I would though agree if you proposed we needed to be efficient with complexity. I have for quite some time been proposing that humanity has entered its collective adolescence, a period when humanity is learning how to be responsible for our actions, the planet & the rest of live on the planet, stepping out from under the proposition that a, or many, deities were in charge. I believe we have started to speciate, into what I like to call Homo Nekton. An interesting & valuable talk, keep up the good work, thanks.

[@loop-9]

Global overshoot will not continue indefinitely; it will end either by design or disaster. Thank You Nate. 😎

[@user-wq7hd5cr3j]

At 3% pa growth a 75-year-old person will see an 8-fold expansion in their lifetime. Slip of the tongue in a fabulous presentation.

[@LokeyeMC]

An Ilya Prigogine quote at the end! She changed my path forward by learning about her ideas of a flashpoint where dissipative structures can reach an order of magnitude more complexity and coherence from emergence if the timing is right. Fingers crossed!

[@thegreatsimplification]

She?

[@LokeyeMC]

​@@thegreatsimplification I somehow got it in my head that Ilya was female-bodied ever since reading Timothy Leary's The Politics of Self-Determination, which goes into great depth about Ilya's contributions. But I just pulled the book from the shelf to re-read that chapter and make sure I'm not crazy and what do you know, not once is gender even mentioned. And of course when I look up info about Ilya from any source online he is certainly a he. Well, thanks for continuing to assist in my learning and development on things big and small! My wife and I are enjoying our Sunday morning ritual of viewing your videos in our separate rooms while we attend to our chores and then reconvening to discuss afterwards. You're making a great splash in this world!

[@achenarmyst2156]

Hi Nate, I just saw your talk for CHDS this year which obviously is similar to this presentation. Great stuff. Extremely valuable concerning rational preparation for living through the next two or three decades.

[@catherinebanks6420]

I agree that Europe will be logically first to "degrow"-- Europe has the city planning, mass transportation, infrastructure, social cohesion, etc. Unlike the US which will probably use its military, oil production, and financial system to be the West's financial support. Good presentation, Nate!

[@andersfuchs9209]

Check on what Antonio turiel has to say about that❤

[@seacue9417]

Degrowth needs to happen with the needs of every sector of society, but mostly the workers and the low classes.

[@A3Kr0n]

I would think the implications of going petal to the metal until we hit a wall would elicit more of a sense of urgency.

[@AlanDavidDoane]

That is not how humans behave. We won't knowledge our home is on fire until we are literally burning to death.

[@janklaas6885]

📍23:25

[@atomo2971]

4:34 I genuinely hope this made Daniel laugh like it did me

[@hcrone]

👍

[@MilesCooperUK]

Good on James May for branching out

[@notmadeofpeople4935]

20:21 The only thing that put a dent in the CO2 graph was the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

[@jennysteves7226]

Great talk, and great t-shirt! I look forward, though, to when the idea of nature as sacred (and humans as nature - I believe Olivia may have said this) is deemed important enough within these elite environmental circles to be regularly included in their systems analyses.

[@simonirvine1628]

The individual's job should be within walking distance and that is just for starters. Globally...

[@bencarr8809]

it is, weve only learned to walk faster therefore being able to walk further.

[@andacomfeeuvou]

I don't know if it was the speaker's intention but any reasonably well-informed and intelligent person can read between the lines that we are f...

[@achenarmyst2156]

That‘s one of the two brainless reactions to the road block sign (the other one being „technology will save us“). Simplify to bend, not break.

[@noctav]

I only have a simple question. Why there's no Wikipedia page about Nate? And I guess Nate is the guy that has the answer and no one else.

[@texastrustedoralsurgeon6830]

I have to admit that these concepts make me consider everything beyond my own selfish thoughts of money, power, and greed. This presentation is from a much higher level than I have ever contemplated. The concept that we are living at the top of a carbon pulse that will inevitably peak and decline just as it ramped up 200 years ago is interesting. But, are we really at the peak, or will an energy miracle occur? Will human ingenuity surpass carbon, like nuclear, or will we continue to explore and mine and extract fossil fuels for centuries to come? Either way, great talk.

[@karlwheatley1244]

The larger problem is that we are overshooting Earth's sustainable carrying capacity by ~75% per year, and if we stay in overshoot, catastrophic ecological and societal collapse is inevitable. Thus, even if we find another energy source, we need much smaller and less industrialized economies and much simpler lifestyles to prevent catastrophic collapse.

[@texastrustedoralsurgeon6830]

@@karlwheatley1244 doubtful.

[@karlwheatley1244]

@@texastrustedoralsurgeon6830 "doubtful." Sorry, I started to type you a long reply, but ran out of time. I'm a senior university professor and researcher, and have studied this for more than a decade. Humans are steadily eroding Earth's ability to support life--including human life--through chemical and plastic pollution, direct destruction of ecosystems, direct killing of species, and man-made global warming and climate disruption. Humans have already destroyed half the biomass on the planet, 90% of the big fish are already gone, the great forests of the world are drying out, dying, and burning faster than before, we are heading toward loss of all or almost all coral reefs by 2100, we have made the oceans 30% more acidic, slowed their currents, and reduced their oxygen levels, and increased water vapor pressure deficit is already stunting trees in the boreal forests, the average land species lost 69% of its population just since 1970, rates of extinctions are 100s to 1000s of times higher than the normal background rate, etc. etc. Look, your online handle suggests you are a busy professional, so I get that you haven't had thousands of hours to study this as I have. However, research reports about this are in the news every week, I'm wondering how you could miss this (unless you watch Fox I guess). Anyway, the web of life is unraveling rather quickly by planetary standards, and any one of those four human forces I cited above can easily push this into mass extinction of life territory. More CO2 alone can easily do it, but so can toxic chemicals and plastics, and we could easily wipe out land and marine ecosystems if people can't simply eat less beef, fish, and other meat. We're overshooting Earth's sustainable carrying capacity, and if we don't stop doing that, nature will collapse even worse than it already has, wiping out much/most of our food supply, much/most of civilization as we know it, and much/most of our population. Sorry, but those are the facts on the grounds: The problem is that most academic only one silo, so even many of the climate experts don't understand that we could fix the climate crisis tomorrow, but if we don't resolve these other crises, we'd still be heading for ecological and societal collapse. Take care.

[@artoftheheart11011]

14:20 „the market pulls forward the best solutions“. Is this true, and who definies what the best solution is? Often just the most profitable solutions are pulled forward.

[@EmeraldView]

It's a good analysis and good plan. It will never happen. It's not in humanity to do so. Not on the collective global scale needed.

[@kirkha100]

Thanks. I have trouble with Nate Hagens. His “Simplification” feels too much like a nice, sanitized, orderly, euphemism for Collapse, in which familiar economic, social, political mechanisms still somehow function. They won’t. Capacity for organized, effective consensus is already fractured. Foundational social compacts allowing effective cooperation are broken and their intended benefits decay. Except for one cooperative activity. War. Couldn’t finish the video. Ain’t gonna happen.

[@EmeraldView]

@@kirkha100 Yep. Any ideas for a functioning human society after the rapidly approaching and calamitous collapse that don't take into consideration the long evidenced deficiencies of human nature are just pure wishful thinking, but more like willful ignorance if you are as intelligent as Nate.

[@careydixon8189]

Be kind. An example of the bigger portion of our issue: a need for conscious goodness, a true paradigm shift in human consciousness so we can care enough beyond personal greed to invent our personal mindfulness required to be the humanity that can overcome war, hate, lack of compassion. Without this we may not have motive to be right minded or kind enough to care enough about the problems of all.

[@bencarr8809]

ive been more compassionate to my immediate family

[@REANIMATOR067]

So from an anthropological perspective what do we do about our tribes? is it just gossip? or is there a way?

[@crowlsyong]

36:09 This metric seems important.

[@TheMildperil]

Wouldn't it be great if we could shut down all political debate until everyone has absorbed this presentation, then start up again with some shared understanding of how the world works?

[@equinnox70]

Abso-fucking-lutely, brother!!! Spot on.

[@bencarr8809]

maybe this is the political debate, and needs more force behind it.

[@glenndavis4452]

Good points. Windmills and solar are not going to be enough for the long term. Been curious about using 1-3 windmills to create a state of partial plasma gas in a boiler environment. Short version hydrogen gas under pressure is best medium. Very energy intensive creating plasma gas, but reaches 2700 C or so. Easily cuts through or welds metals. The “free” energy of windmills would help make it cost effective. Trying to kick this upstairs. 😊 Good Luck

[@johnchase2148]

Might have to cut down on expensive wars ,and if I had the right for free sprech ,I would share my thoughts on harvesting clouds for energy. Truths are not popular, like retiring Santa.

[@johnbrzezinski1446]

Excellent presentation! But I humbly suggest eliminating reference to "a mordor economy." Someone may know what this means; nobody I know does. It's difficult enough to get people to pay attention to this topic, let alone to expect people to start searching the internet for a term that is not in their vocabulary. I searched and this is what came up: "In any normal world economy, Mordor would be over its ears in debt. Refugees - orcs, Easterlings and Southrons - would be streaming westwards ..." 🤔

[@bencarr8809]

please explain more john.

[@AkkarisFox]

If only we had more controls to control your feed on KZbin it is completely confusing

[@scientifico]

Listening to an american white talk about labor, work and energy reminds me how narrow their vision actually is. Maybe its the fact that they always need to center themselves in everything. I appreciate many of the points he makes because unlike many, he sees the flaws in the system. The addictive dopamine fix that has addicted us has been exploited since... the use of slave labor to feed the growing addictions to coffee, tea, sugar, tobacco. Then it became cocaine and heroin, then it became social media. Its always been the addiction to feeding desire for pleasure and comfort that has brought this planet to ruin (the greed of oligarchs is also the same greed and pursuit... their addiction is power, their drug is the feeling of supremacy). Bottom line, I wish him well but as we know... addicts cannot be trusted and they will keep on seeking to hit that vein until the arm rots off. We are watching western civilization rot.

[@EmeraldView]

Not just Western civilization. They are the worst offenders and accelerating collapse, but this is a human civilization problem.

[@davidjohnzenocollins]

So, broaden our vision, our non-white, non-American bro. Needless to say, you won't put yourself in the center of your vision, will you.

[@bubstacrini8851]

your conclusion is rot? That is an important process in the recycling of energy... if we really were producing a massive literal rot, but that is not what is really happening

[@bubstacrini8851]

500 million years of rot, has produced a vast store of hydrocarbons that we are burning as fast as possible

[@em945]

If you listen to his channel, he speaks directly about the dopamine fixes etc. Is much more on par with what you are inferring. This is a limited talk to a specific audience.

[@kokopelli314]

This is a great talk but as a Canadian I have to say that carbon pricing is experiencing blowback due to corporate lobbying and control of populist politicians. The re-branding of pollution pricing as a "Tax" is parroted across the political spectrum, and it's an effective tactic. I think in many places in the world things will break before they change.

[@user-rb7td7ts8f]

I am a big follower of Nate Hagen's podcast, so i know his heart is in the right place when he presents humanity's existential predicament. To many of his ideas may appear very alarming and radical to most but not for me. It is ironical that most of his presentation (like his guest on the podcast) spend 80% of the time explaining why Globalized Industrialized Civilization (GIC) or Game A is structurally unsustainable, cannot/will not be 'reformed' and vulnerable to collapse in the near-term, then spend the last 20% of their time pedaling for the 'techno-utopian'' & 'State-Market' driven measures as a n appropriate response to the predicament!...Why so caught up in the current paradigm especially with all the data and wisdom? He has only on rare occasions shed light on possible contours of an alternative (post-collapse) ecological order (Game B) nor created awareness about so many Strong Sustainable (SS) initiatives like Commons & Commoning based Bioregional Governance, Relocalization, Permaculture, Regenerative agriculture, Eco-villages movements etc. that have the potential to aid our transition towards Game B. How do we expect humanity to give up one paradigm without inspiring them with a new one? Just raising endless questions about existential risks is not enough, its time we acknowledge the 'terminal diagnosis' of Game A and pave the way for Game B (while we still can). Pre-collapse phase is invaluable if only it is not squandered in denial & dishonest debates. ([e-mail])

[@roscow8569]

Everyone know already that even without all your statistics. But deny is more powerful than stat so you can carry on your explanation, nothing will change till the wall.🙃😉

[@achenarmyst2156]

Even if you were right we have to take even small educational opportunities to further bend instead of break.

[@christiansmith-of7dt]

Yeah im totally screwed , life isn't fun at all for me

[@simonlinser8286]

Is it really one barrel of oil 11 years? I thought one tablespoon of gasoline was like 3 years of human energy? 1 barrel of crude is not one of fuel, but still a bit disparate

[@JessieLydia]

The clear answer to your final question #1 can a market system make or help with the needed change, well yes, of course! There are myriad examples in nature of responsive growth systems that shift the use of their assets in response to change to survive. Our markets are not responsive, apparently due to not seeing why we should. It’s primarily context blindness, not seeing what to do.

[@henrychoy2764]

the market response so far has been to follow the federal reserve and here and there people are on strike

[@mary-anncarleton7578]

As i go yo pay for rent with money, shloop!! 😢😢😢

[@raoultesla2292]

This man understands too too much. The listeners cannot handle his depth. What would help his listeners is if a Centralized A/GI gave his listeners plans on implementing his actions for survival. Then they would have a goal passed making money. He means well. He is speaking Shakespeare to kindergartners.

[@IsitReallyrealreally]

How dare you. Who are you? F you

[@jerkq]

There is hope, for even kindergartners have the capability of turning into people who understand Shakespeare.

[@christophercooke7564]

I understand what is being said and can imagine a new way forward.

[@ShanePHanlon]

Why assume the audience is idiotic?

[@davidjohnson-tq4qx]

So perhaps free market liberalism was not the ultimate life seeking goal for life planet earth

[@Jon-hg5lz]

Eh, why on earth would those curves be normally distributed?

[@enensis]

wow this is scary. I dont ever see any of this changing. Not with current mindsets. People dont want to know this stuff, they ust want to sit on the sofa eat chips and make money to buy crap.

[@tikaanipippin]

AI would pragmatically just terminate the entire human project, as it will always tend towards this unsustainable state.

[@miropribanic5581]

"10:23 A chicken is renewable".....how so?

[@fascistphilosophy5649]

finally, really no addressing the potential of small modular nuclear reactors? or possible transition to nuclear at all? suspicious........

[@stalwart149]

This was a great presentation, but I am disappointed that he never once mentioned population. It's understandable, since even mentioning it is more taboo than all the other "off the table" subject matter he did cover. Unfortunately, it's the most important factor in our present predicament. We need to agree, as a species, and agree on how to go about it, that a period of ~25 years is allowed as a total moratorium on human births. After that, allowances could be made for a number of births equal to the estimated rate of attrition for, say, 10 million people. If we don't do that, or something comparable, all other measures will be irrelevant. If you think that is impossible, let me just remind you (or more likely, inform you) that for > 250,000 years, the population of humans was less than one million. Not only can it be done, it has been done, and for far longer than agricultural civilization has existed. We can either collectively agree to stop having children, or there will be billions of totally avoidable deaths by starvation in the future. Have a nice day. 🙂

[@karlwheatley1244]

Actually, level of consumption and wastes is a much bigger problem than population--though population IS a huge problem. The Earth CAN continue supporting eight billion humans if we adopt the lifestyles and economies of Malawi, but it can only support about 1.5 billion humans if we adopt the American way of living.

[@ankeunruh7364]

45 minutes are enough. No differential equations required, just middle school math (a 12 year child can understand monopoly without knowing exactly what exponentials are). In my physics class we compared the work needed to heat water by muscles -> electricity vs. some grams of gasoline on a camping stove vs some more grams of alcohol (3 lessons: design, run / measure and calculate / discuss the experiment). I left school in 1978 with the promise of fusion energy within my lifetime. 45 years went by without fusion energy on earth becoming true and useable for everyone. So I want to add: let's learn the difference between theoretical and practical reviews. Let's set goals and learn how to evaluate our success / fails. And, adding to the diagram at 36:07, there is a similar one on the web about births per woman related to income per capita. It showes, that a quarter of swedish or german average is enough to stabilize the population. I'm sure: This can be done! We humans are more than slaves to the biochemical legacy in our brains!

[@achenarmyst2156]

The human system is destructive to our biosphere. Every energy slave is contributing to the work of destruction. So let‘s hope that fusion never enters reality.

[@halfordmunene3121]

Pedal to the metal, until we hit a wall😂😂😂 The universe is alive though, we are in a simulation and economies are just the games we play. We will slowly wake up to this reality as we transform to the next dispensation, the age of emotional intelligence, where feelings is pure Love and pollution cease though synergies in systems. AGI alignment is underway

[@bencarr8809]

this gives me hope, but i feel death and hunger in the future.

[@edwinschaap5532]

Solutions: 1. Depopulation 2. Depopulation 3. Depopulation 4. Nuclear energy 5. Machine Intelligence

[@2silkworm]

you can start with yourself

[@quakers200]

So basically the next dozen generations of humans a return to an agrarian economy, terrible hardships, likely with wars, life expectancy decline. Etc. but people can live healthy productive lives without all the stuff we have come to depend on.

[@Rexini_Kobalt]

decommodify or die greed will be the death of all of us

[@bencarr8809]

heres a prediction, we will be living comfortably on borrowed time, until one day, its all off.

[@bocckoka]

The usual problem with descale advocates. We understand what the problem is, but we need a workable alternative narrative.