Is it Possible to Beat Sonic Heroes Without Sonic?

[@peucoman]

Alternative answer: switch to teams Dark, Rose, or Chaotix

[@Mr.Miniguy]

ikr

[@HenryLauraTeam]

Doesn't change much though.

[@redgamer2163]

´kk

[@peachymiku6432]

@@HenryLauraTeam True, but the title of the video and the challenge specifically states Sonic. And last I checked, Shadow, Amy and Espio are not Sonic.

[@Kaal_do_Olaak]

That's what I thought on the last one

[@finalshade8592]

Sonic: What is my purpose. Tails and Knuckles: You use the tornado. Sonic: Oh my god..

[@weshuiz1325]

only 2000 IQ people get this joke

[@freeziboi3249]

Tails and Knuckles: Yeah welcome to the club.

[@DanteJ1s]

Rick the Mortyhog

[@Wrench-007]

@@weshuiz1325 I don't even play the game and I got it.

[@zendpixie]

@@weshuiz1325 hfdjkghsj i'm still trying to figure out the origin of this meme - is it that one commercial abt a tiny tabletop helper-bot?? One of the interactions in that ad are the same

[@Gammactic]

"You might be surprised on how vital sonic is to beat this game" Yes, sonic is needed in sonic heroes.

[@burnttoast6974]

people die when they are killed

[@chelle2469]

Every 60 seconds in africa, a minute passes.

[@nonameneeded2943]

When you are sleeping, you aren't awake

[@yellowmello1223]

The horror game is scary.

[@ablack9516]

When it rains, there is some water.

[@Jess-I-Guess]

Anyone: Can you beat Sonic Heroes without Sonic? He doesn't actually have many unique abili-- Tornado Poles: I'm gonna have to stop you right there

[@dragobane4728]

Hang Castel: Laughs in victory

[@kevinvu5432]

And floating rings....and handle bars...

[@NobleS1236]

@@kevinvu5432 and triangle jumps.

[@nekonomicon2983]

And flowers

[@goombafang3210]

also, if the helicopter propeller wasnt in egg fleet, the part where you destroy a blue egg ship requires sonic's rocket blast technique.

[@esperderek5383]

There's something amusing about the fact that the thing that trips this run up is being needed for vertical ascents when he's the only one of the three that doesn't fly, glide, or climb.

[@Clarkamadorian]

It’s almost annoying, sort of

[@elisabethsun7059]

Yep

[@zebrasharkbbb]

Aw yes, my favorite game, Heroes.

[@samirjohnson4524]

And Knuckles

[@ABC-ik9vj]

@@samirjohnson4524 it's called: Heroes special and gold version and knuckles

[@ShadowtheYouTuber523]

Y

[@mailman019]

Shadow the KZbinr Y Not? & Knuckles

[@flyforce16]

@@samirjohnson4524 New Funky Mode!

[@robertanderson9447]

Tails: "But then we got stuck in the city so Eggman got away..." Sonic: "What tripped you up?" Knuckles: "There was this really tall pole, and... yeah that wasn't happening." Sonic: "... You-- You guys. What the hell are you talking about? You can climb walls, can't you?" Knuckles: "I can climb what now?" Sonic: "Oh for the love of-- Fine, I'll go with you." And then the actual game started.

[@ethanford2466]

You just reminded me he can do that

[@dabluepittoo-aqua4213]

"SEGA nerfed me Sonic...that and half of the poles lack walls."

[@Superluigi881]

*years later in Sonic 06* Knuckles: Oh right walls, I can climb those can't I. Sonic: ... Knuckles: Uh Sonic... I can't get down... Sonic: You're an idiot... Just jump off the wall! Knuckles: That's what I'm trying to do!!

[@connorschultz380]

@@Superluigi881 the code:..my plan is moving forward... one down, 3 to go.

[@jennytulls6369]

Sonic: "Tails, can't you just fly up?" Tails: "Well, yes, but I can'y fly high enough" Sonic: "Don't you have multiple planes? Why are you even running through the city in the first place?"

[@awesomeness1122]

How to beat the game without sonic Me an intellectual : Chooses team dark.

[@techno_jokester]

Big brain time.

[@agoodname6997]

Do team chaotix

[@solanumtuberosum7769]

Awesomeness11 "Team Faker"

[@foxyfan6667]

Team rose

[@Sad-Lesbian]

Pros: not having to use Sonic, or having to listen to Big/Charmy Cons: the atrocious level design of Team Dark

[@Speedinkling]

An interesting way of playing this game. Never actually really thought about playing this game without Sonic

[@aston514]

1st

[@blitz4168]

How did you comment 23 hours ago

[@SudsyDiamond]

@InfiniteGamer 4307 Because he’s a member.

[@cubriffic172]

I used to play without sonic as a kid most of the time bc he was too fast for little four year old me to manage lmao

[@Swagmaster-oq2yw]

@@aston514 who cares

[@DJTileTurnip]

Sonic: >Only Used Yesterday< Today: >No Sonic< Sonic: We've been tricked, backstabbed, and quite possibly, bamboozled

[@birdbird749]

Last time: “sonic hero” This time: “heroes” Next time: “hero” Next next time: “”

[@moonshatter785]

Read this in a Dragonball z narrator voice

[@cosmicmemelord]

@@moonshatter785 *slow clap*

[@moonshatter785]

@@cosmicmemelord thank you ig

[@ninjayoshi8020]

Next next next time: " Next next next next time:

[@davidthecommenter]

next time: *_sonic_*

[@kaned2005]

I’ll wait for another episode of Sonic Heroes without any characters so I can say “It’s now called ____ ____

[@howisthis8849]

Now it's called place holder

[@Mari-hp4tl]

Not Sonic Heroes

[@Bro-cx2jc]

"Can you beat Sonic Heroes using only "

[@jennytulls6369]

"..." "..." "Bind you, confine you, defying your reign"

[@StarTheTripleDevil]

Kind of ironic how pretty much all the advantages the speed type gives are based on getting past long distances/heights, which sounds like something the fly type should be able to handle.

[@kennethboozer6148]

True all the things they couldn’t pass was the speed character using something to go long distances

[@JahnLemus]

Sega: Here’s a sonic game With Sonic He is in the game for almost the whole thing But you can’t play as him

[@khit007]

2 minutes in.... Nope.

[@demarkus4566]

That's just shadow the hedgehog

[@ABC-ik9vj]

Seems accurate

[@samsundertail6564]

And Tails Adventure,Tails Skypatrol,Tails and the Music Maker and Knuckles Chaotixs

[@SemenSlurry]

Chaotix

[@ElectroBlastLuigi]

*First we have **_Sonic just Sonic,_** then **_Heroes,_** sooner or later, we'll have only **_Tails Heroes._*

[@ElectroBlastLuigi]

@Retro Boy 12 So true, I was never able to beat it. Team Rose was a breeze.

[@kristaslips9556]

Heroes *and Knuckles*

[@spyrooooo8601]

@@kristaslips9556 &KNUCKLES

[@paxgallery6646]

Tails heroes and knuckles

[@ZorotheGallade]

Knuckles heroes & Knuckles

[@Pc_98_Fan]

Tails and Knuckles: we're going to save Amy Sonic: 😐✌️ _proceed to disappear_

[@MashupProductions22]

Also tails and knuckles: proceeds to kill amy

[@babyburch33]

It’s amazing to realize how useful each character is in this game.

[@Zwyrx_Hgqfyggz]

9:58 When you can't complete a quarter of the game without Sonic

[@quamaii]

All you have to do is play as one of the other teams, it's that simple.

[@alexdaubenspeck4339]

its been a while since ive played this games so correct me if im wrong , but dont you have to unlock the other teams. otherwise this is such a solid loophole he should have mentioned it in the video. lol

[@quamaii]

@@alexdaubenspeck4339 No, you don't have to. (At least in the PS2 port, which is what I have.)

[@selassieaspen9940]

Metal Madness requires Sonic The Hedgehog and his team story to be completed....

[@aa69420]

Now it's called Tails & Knuckles.

[@samirjohnson4524]

And Knuckles

[@Octo-1008]

Knuckles heroes

[@JP-hk6xw]

Knuckles' knuckles and Tails

[@webs2099]

I am.the main character now

[@spyrooooo8601]

@@webs2099 &knuckles

[@korhol2065]

Tails and knuckles: We don’t need sonic anymore Sonic: but my gli- Tails and knuckles: BEGONE

[@spyrooooo8601]

Tails & *Knuckles*

[@xSilentZeroXx]

[after watching the video] Sonic: You could not live with your failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me.

[@FoxtailBoyd1991]

"You need Sonic to beat Sonic Heroes" *Surprised Pikachu face*

[@JUMPYCOOL]

Tails and Knuckles: Sonic needs a vacation, we can beat Eggman without him! Pole: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?

[@maddog197x]

I find it really interesting that in both challenges you got stuck at the exact same spot in Hang Castle. You couldn’t clear it with only Sonic cause Tails needed to pull the lever, and you couldn’t complete it without him because you need the Lightspeed Dash

[@JennyBlaze253]

Not only that, but the only other level Sonic got stuck at, Bullet Station, was also one of the levels Tails and Knuckles got stuck at. Just goes to show that teamwork is essential if you wanna beat Eggman. ...now if only we could tell that to the past 14 years of games...

[@Lariat._]

I'm pretty sure someone already made this comment but I might as well anyway xD: 6:00 You can actually make it past that section using Thundershoot with Tails. He'll convert every shot into small bursts of forward momentum without depleting the flight meter. It's slow, but it is possible to make that gap. Awesome videos as always Nate!

[@comicfan1324]

It is sad that neither of these challenges are completable, but there is a nice moral: “Sometimes, you have to work with others to get something done.”

[@wolfbloodplayz1590]

Nathaniel Bandy: Releases video only using Sonic Also Nathaniel Bandy: *uno reverse card*

[@basketbomberslackingson4417]

I find it funny how a sonic and knuckles duo could probably beat this game

[@Moleoflands]

They can't pull that switch in hang castle for the rocket accel

[@bananaboyybeans1159]

damn who thought sonics stripper job would get in the way of winning

[@Mauripsu]

Ah yes, my favorite game Heroes, how to forget Team

[@JuneBloomRoses]

*Just play with another team your technically not playing as sonic*

[@SeanWheeler100]

Exactly what I was thinking. When you use Amy, Shadow or Espio, you're not Sonic.

[@nerosoul2506]

He has to beat all teams story’s to access the final boss

[@Bro-cx2jc]

True maybe he could have called it "beating the game without using Speed Formation"

[@aerth6946]

S H L O N K S

[@tsunamifoxy]

IKR

[@lewisjames6153]

Nathaniel: can you beat sonic heroes without sonic Me: yeah obviously that’s easy Also me: using shadows team

[@supersaiyan3619]

then reach metal madness without sonic see if that's possibble

[@selassieaspen9940]

@@supersaiyan3619 They think clever even though there comments aren't original or true.

[@GrandleJams]

If I remember correctly, if you use thunder shoot, and move forward slightly, you get a very small movement without using your boost while flying. It's very small, but it would make tons of these horizontal jumps possible.

[@ChristopherMoom]

The Chad *_Sonic Heroes without Sonic_* VS The Virgin *_Sonic Heroes with only Sonic_*

[@healmore8716]

Hi again

[@NeoNobody]

Those little circles on the sonic heroes logo, I bet they inspired how the snacks for the spirits look in super smash bro’s ultimate

[@wizardkirb7795]

:O

[@josephtpg7329]

Sonic: So, what did we all learn after this experience? Tails: That we all need each other and everybody is necessarily to this adventure Knuckles: That a stupid stripping pole can end careers and mess everything up Sonic: YES KNUCKLES THIS IS WHY I FAVORITE YOU MORE THAN TAILS!

[@joshmor8481]

No. Leave now. No sonic fan base.

[@emmbeesea]

First, only Sonic. Now, no Sonic. Up next: & Knuckles

[@Blue-lp5hg]

Yesterday: Sonic Today: Heroes

[@diggzzz_]

Looks like Tails wasn't ready to be the main character after all

[@BrobjeV]

9:31 my eyes are bleeding. Thank you, drawn monstrosity.

[@anordinarystupidteenager432]

This is a stale meme but uhh... Tails *& Knuckles*

[@Goat_Clown]

But who needs knuckles when you have tails?

[@cherrycreamsoda4253]

For a second I thought it was a re-upload

[@marcorizo1387]

He said yesterday he would upload this.

[@Mal_FPS]

Same here

[@liamvachon8782]

0:10 Sonic Heroes after March 31st 2021 (suffered the same fate as mario)

[@angelsartandgaming]

Reminds me of when I tried to beat Sonic Heroes with only Tails and Cream. It wasn't very possible at all. But it was fun!

[@austria-hungary7680]

I like how the title says "sonic heroes" but its only team sonic's story

[@chris1229sonic]

ahh yes my favorite megaman zero song

[@imp_raziel]

4:45 ah yeah. CriticalCyd, my favorite speedrunner :0 (yeah it's 3 year old video)

[@Elias-hm7we]

So basically, Sonic's most important job is pole dancing... That's a sentence I didn't expect to say

[@SimonGuyWhoLikesGowther]

So this is why Amy wants him

[@ethan2803]

7:29 as a kid when I was playing through this level, I didn’t know how to wall-jump as sonic. Though it took me hours of trying and failing to get past it through other means, I actually ended up finding this trick with tails that’s showcased here, and it was the only reason I was ever able to complete the game. I’m sure I wasn’t the first one to do it, but I’ve always thought it was kinda cool that I figured out how to do an exploit like that at such a young age.

[@frogmanxbl7129]

Something about the fact that what's holding tails and knuckles back from beating the game is sonic's secret talent as a pole dancer really amuses me

[@bramble553]

You should definitely try this challenge with the other teams! Should be interesting considering how different some teams are, most notably chaotix.

[@theneoreformationist]

Yes, the team rose missions are shorter, so they may lack some of the challenges

[@european_mapper-FR]

That’s why Sonic is in Smash where Tails and Knuckles are only there for the olympics

[@mechajay3358]

He's the star of the games series. You can't beat any game without him.

[@BloodThirstyAvengers]

7:59 Tails: Come on, come on, come on, Yeah! Knuckles: Got it! Me: Yeah ya did. :P

[@lukevore3464]

Take a shot every time he says "flight flight boost" you'll die of alcohol poisoning

[@leviaWNG]

Boring

[@sonicthehedge]

This video made me realize how important sonic is in this game. I always thought he was mostly there just to speed up the game

[@thejuic3b0i64]

This caught me off guard since I was watching the one with Sonic earlier.

[@austria-hungary7680]

The reason the power super slide glitch works is because of how unfinished the PC port is and how it works with loops that have their own gravity so its not only grind rails lol.

[@sparkx9272]

Challenge Idea: Mario Odyssey without Cappy

[@jeremysorejian]

Bowser section

[@ZorotheGallade]

@@jeremysorejian The power line at the end of the Cap Kingdom.

[@mischiefthedegenerateratto7464]

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[@lolialf]

im having such nostalgia, this game was one of my childhood games

[@phil3309]

Video is 10 minutes long me: ok i guess they do diss fast Nathaniel: neh we are 2 minutes in we can´t make it me: ARE YOU FRICKING KIDDING ME

[@Vade4545]

2:25 already? Dam

[@hayleywaalen2612]

Do another one with Team Dark, Rose or Chaotix

[@CrashFan03]

wouldn't it essentially be the same

[@huurra14]

Team Rose one will be interesting since levels are shorter.

[@theultimaterush]

I hate when I get the random urge to play this game, I've always loved it. I wish they would make a part 2, love the sonic games you play as multiple characters

[@mmku0]

sonic is more important then tails and knuckles wow

[@yellowmello1223]

This is Sonic Heroes after all.

[@Groudon0199]

There are 2 flight tricks that could be used to get past some of the pole/flower obstacles. Using thundershoot stops the flight gauge from emptying for a short time, and there's a way to the flight boost without actually landing (it's been ages since I played, so I don't remember if it's possible with teams other than Rose and Chaotix, but I do remember it being very difficult to pull off if you're not flying into a wall).

[@Yuzu_sans2]

Is it possible to beat sonic 06? That’s a tough one

[@steadfast1448]

OH HELL NAH

[@paxgallery6646]

I mean, there is a method to do that, but it requires a lot of well timed glitchiness

[@feiradragon7915]

Actually you can beat Sonic 06. The real question is: can you beat Sonic 06 without running into glitches? I doubt it.

[@toadtv4389]

Nathaniel: did it possible? Also Nathaniel: It isn't... *Fly hack: Are you sure about it?*

[@thecherry6849]

Me: This is possible The Game: Negative Chief

[@ITAndroMedian]

I do remember that at level 3 Tails' Thunder Shoot or Knuckes' aerial smashes gains wind properties, allowing to use poles and sunflowers.

[@Egerotti11034]

When is How NB is mind blowing?

[@TheJadeFist]

I'm going to say, the pc version manages to make the game still look fairly good after all this time.

[@TheJadeFist]

@@zvorakzekrom Well the simple textures still look good with the game being rendered at higher resolutions. It might be lazy for being easier than console to screen capture though.

[@deadchannel4177]

Tails: I can get past anything Poles and long distances: allow us to introduce ourselves

[@brycist]

Damn it, I was expecting the intro to be, "heroes, heroes, heroes, heroes."

[@DawnsDeparture]

That ending plug for the previous video actually made me hope for another one of these, like from one of the other teams or something

[@PaulEffinger]

Even though this was a disappointment, I still enjoyed this. Videos like these are very entertaining to watch.

[@ylondes9927]

I stayed up for this upload.. And it didn't dissapoint me

[@KewelsBri]

Btw, it's possible to disable characters completely. I've done it before using the Sonic Heroes Trainer. I'd recommend trying it if you don't want characters you don't wanna use just hanging around.

[@TheBohobemeister]

As always, wonderful video!

[@joshmor8481]

You can actually make that jump in bullet station if you get the other two characters captured and jump to the long brown platform. Edit: btw I tried to do this a few weeks ago on console and the sonic bop glitch can actually get past alot of things

[@Lumbearjackk]

Yeah but we did this PC only, so the Bop boost was out the question

[@joshmor8481]

No not the bop boost you just need to use the purple enemys to capture knuckles then sonic then you can make that jump with tails solo

[@katt-the-pig]

I am watching this from the future!

[@ZuletaBOi317]

There's this one trick you can do to go up poles without using Sonic or Shadow, you have to gather everyone with power formation (Knuckles or Omega), then as you jump and the characters fly around you, immediately switch to Tails or Rouge and then apparently you can also gain wind from that and the flight formation character can swing up.

[@bruhgoaway4876]

If you have Tail max level, can’t you shoot Knuckles or Sonic at the pole to trigger a tornado spin animation?

[@ShrunkedDude]

I noticed someone who played Team Chaotix, they were able to infinitely fly with Charmy doing a flight glitch (takes time) if this can also work with Tails it might be possible to beat this game without Sonic.

[@Wizzkidwas]

A lot of the times you need a long flight distance, you can do it Thunder shooting stops the flight bar from draining, so when you fly, you can move and shoot at the same time to get extra distance, and if you micromanage it, you can go far horizontally

[@dnghn.design]

Should be titled "sonic wins by doing absolutely nothing"

[@rolicdot]

Now that's what I'd like to call *REUPLOADED VIDEO*

[@leik7728]

Tails: hey sonic why do u know how to ride up a pool? Sonic: uhhhhh Sonic: *flashbacks to when he was a male stripper*

[@cslack813]

Crazy how the parts you can’t get past are mostly vertically challenged but requiring sonic

[@Mikeyboy322]

Two minutes into the video and it is already proved that it isn't possible.

[@reshawshid]

7:29 Yeah after a few playthroughs I just used Tails there. Far more reliable than the wall jump.

[@opadrip]

My favorite game. HEROES

[@johnx140]

oh my god bruh, 6:42 why was touching those things felt so good? even after more han a decade it feels good to watch that

[@Blapze]

Ah yes, *HEROES*

[@ElPsychoDog]

>Why is this video so sporadic??? >Video is 10 minutes. >Oh....$$$

[@pduck2386]

*Oh really the main character of the game is vital to the game* ”

[@KirkWilliams300]

Who knew sonic would be needed as much as this

[@edgelord8337]

My favorite game HEROES.

[@samowen6117]

Sonic: exists Nathaniel:nope