PRO Producer VS AMATEUR Producer (PRODUCER BATTLE)

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[@producerhat]

This was crazy fun to do with you man! Great working with you - LETS GO!

[@dojotelevision7076]

You Did a Great 👍🏽 Job

[@NathanJamesLarsen]

You nailed it man! Thanks for being a part of it!

[@producerhat]

@@dojotelevision7076 thanks!

[@dojotelevision7076]

@@NathanJamesLarsen your Track was Mind Blowing Good Teacher

[@LogansLessons]

dude Philip your track was AWESOME Keep going my guy. You are GOING places!!

[@AidyleeX]

I can hear the professionalism in the the pro version, the mixing, the plug-ins and everything but i prefer the amateur one, it was simple, creative and more enjoyable for me.

[@JossDm]

You're right!!!!!

[@MusicShortsDellzShot]

My sentiments exactly 💯 👌 👏🏿

[@Jeblinx]

I totally agree with you ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@normanbradley4846]

agreed.. both are amazing tho. much respect to everyone

[@Fredvlad]

Keep it simple, keep it cool.. amateur version just sounds better.

[@ignaciofelipe2826]

Amateur producer nailed it! He definitely won this one 🔥

[@Realworlddummy]

Yeah the pro try hard to the point it over complicated the whole thing, but really well mixed compared to amateur

[@AmaZaneChannel]

I think both sounded amazing in their own ways! The first one is very familiar so I can see why a lot of people in the comments would choose that. I think it’s pretty awesome how in the second one he went the opposite direction of the song. Producing on the “off beat” and doing things completely different. He was truly challenging the listener to NOT *get comfortable.* 😂🔥 loved both!

[@ya_boi_paypay26]

EXACTLY!!

[@aidanjackson3242]

Ummm. It's funny seeing you here😭. Also, that live stream was super helpful! Thank you for answering my questions!

[@louiso1807]

Yh

[@producerhat]

Preciate ya! :)

[@oladimejiafolabi5859]

Excatly

[@bryanedako8897]

Is it bad if I say I enjoyed phil’s part a lil more?

[@RajMusicProductions]

No

[@batorek5961]

Same

[@sthevaky2215]

Me too

[@fwbeats3142]

Ur right

[@lildon88]

same

[@tgimusicforever]

it's fun seeing how Nathan is so happy about how well Phill did. It's really rare to see people like this. Mad respect 🙌🏽

[@producerhat]

Couldn’t agree more - genuine dude right there.

[@MusicKnowte]

this is SO cute. Makes me smile to see the respect for each producer’s craft. I love the humility and creativity to conquer the same problem with different ability levels.

[@NathanJamesLarsen]

Appreciate this! Love hearing that!

[@RonoTron01]

PRO was full of instruments but also might have been too much variety (throwing everything into the mix, the slapping bass, horns, it's like a Roland new synth demo) Amateur sounded more focused and unified, and with simplicity. You know it's good when you can't take any parts away.

[@project19official]

The horns were a bit confusing and threw me off; He could've done without them

[@jerrytenney5926]

I think Phil’s version is something you could listen to on the radio or jamming at home around the pool while Nathan’s was more for like a super bowl performance or live concert type, both were great, did like Phil’s more though lol

[@Yungriz12]

Facts bro

[@ya_boi_paypay26]

Exactly!

[@luisleon2124]

That's it

[@DjZhivk0]

Another proof that not always more is better. Phillip's version for me has more soul. Great work you guys!

[@giddal.275]

The amateur one was definitely creative and it sounds like a bop. The pro one sounds unique and it’s like thinking out of the box. Both of them did really well 💯

[@flatmonk3y]

Phil’s version is amazing. Really something I could listen to on repeat. It also gives you that get up and go inspirational feeling. Amazing work

[@annaosumedia]

Amateur producer? His version sounds pro to me. Also, the project looks pro as well. I would say you are both on a similar (high) level. I guess the only difference could be that Nathan earns money with his music while (probably) Phil doesn't yet (that's at least the only valid reason for the title of this video)

[@NathanJamesLarsen]

As I mentioned after his song - if I didn't know Phil was an amateur I wouldn't be thinking "this is an amateur" - I've listened to his music when he started my program and what he did in this video compared to the beginning is night and day difference.

[@kyree_justin]

@@NathanJamesLarsen that's really great

[@linusa.3231]

The literal definition of an amateur is not earning anything for an activity lol

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@@linusa.3231 You can also say some one is Amateur vs who ever. For exaple to some one who's literally just started making beats and knows nothing then I'd be the pro and they would be the amateur. But Me VS Doctor Dre then obviously I am going to be the amateur vs him as the pro.

[@linusa.3231]

​@@HOLLASOUNDS Yeah that's an obvious interpretation, but i was pointing it out in the specific context of her saying the only diffference is that Nathan earns money by making music.

[@michaelhodson5827]

Phil got my vote, his take felt more natural while Nathan's felt like too much was jammed in although Nathan's extra processing of the vocal with reverb sounded more pro.

[@keithdurham9696]

Both incredible! For me, Phil’s version edged it. The pro version was perhaps a little over produced and took away from the lyrics. Both fantastic though

[@thekingswitness3374]

I liked both versions and could hear the high production value of each. My final vote is I like Phil’s “amateur” version. It was clean and approachable! Great job Phil! 👏🏾

[@goodtalks_nyc]

I feel Phillip killed it. Although there's simplicity to it, it has a back and forth fight that keeps it balanced. It's melodic and grasping tones gives it that touch after hearing the kick coming at you. Solid

[@bahadaofficial]

This was sick! I liked both versions, Nathan’s had more sonic variety which was impressive especially on the transitions. Phil’s vibe felt closer to me to what the track needed. Great job to both of you!

[@davidgroeneveld1382]

That was great!! So much creativity in both! Very enjoyable to watch. And educational as well actually!

[@mattster303]

Absolutely amazing Philip...... And Nathan..... For me its Phil! Thanks to both for these amazing versions, wicked!

[@scorpionleader1967]

I like both, but the kick in Phil's song crushed it. You nearly got schooled by your student. I like this format.

[@laddndonna]

This was absolutely incredible. You need to keep doing these dual videos. It is so cool to see the creativity that is involved on a such a digital level, and to see how granular you get within Logic Pro X. This is very inspiring! Keep at it bro!!

[@nmsoundz7175]

This is what I love about making music, you can lose control and make it your own. Also to collaborate with like minded people who hype you up and give advice and not down you for anything. Loving both versions. Great job guys!!!

[@producerhat]

Agreed! I was so stoked to do this challenge with Nathan and appreciate the time and true honest feedback he gave. Class act and amazing producer.

[@deaconlin8382]

Both are so awesome. it's a great fun to watch this battle of creativity !

[@givejah610]

I gotta say, I believe I like Phillip's version the most. Both sounded great though. I do dig the more detailed layering Nathan did, but I felt that Phil's stayed more true to the vocal's emotional tone. I might be a little biased because I'm a big rock/metal fan, but I usually prefer less elements in songs. Too many different sounds can sometimes muddy the waters for me in my listening experience.

[@GabeWilliams]

I love your different takes on this, I definitely would have turned this into a Dua Lipa-ish disco beat, I like that Nathan used some funky bass in the chorus :)

[@matmymusic4837]

Me too brooo, I was thinking exactly the same!!!

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Dua Lipa or rather her Music producer's (because she don't actully make music she just sings) littrelly rip off all the most popular music from 90s artist like Jamiroquai and the drums in her tracks are generic and she use the same 4 cords like almost all other pop stars.

[@Jcjenxnc]

@@HOLLASOUNDS not every pop song uses the same chords. It’s just the ones that do use them blow up cause those chords are the easiest and most “complete” sounding chords.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@@Jcjenxnc No that's got nothing to do with it. The reason they use the same cord progression, or song structure or sound is to create a sence of familiarity in the listeners head making them more likely to like the new song and not really know why. The other reason is that why bother comming up with new ideas when they can just copy somthing that's already been done. The songs could be absolute trash but enough money thrown at public influencers and adds will make it a hit anyway hence why anyone who knows music knows that most pop music is generic crap. The days where pop stars actually made great original music died around the same time as Freddy Mercurys death.

[@Jcjenxnc]

@@HOLLASOUNDS that’s a very closed minded way of thinking. Try listening to more artists for longer than just a few seconds and you might find that you like some more of the newer artists

[@istzueinfach]

What a super cool video. This was fun to watch. Both versions are great. Love this concept and looking forward to seeing more of these!!!

[@firefuego8910]

Philip is crazy with this I never expected him to be on this level 👌 big up Philip

[@justcallmepablo]

I love Philip version! But some instruments sound kinda "amateur synths". So he just need to get better plug-ins and he's ready to be officially Pro. Congrats Phillip! Obviously Nathan version sounds perfect but my vote goes for Philip, because of his creativity: gave more emotional aspects to the song.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

True but I do like that he didn't just go straight to a Trap type 808 like most producers would have.

[@Jcjenxnc]

It doesn’t matter what plug-ins you use, it’s how you use them. Sure, some plugins work better than others in certain situations, but what makes a great producer is being able to make a great song no matter what.

[@jeremykarrer5256]

@@Jcjenxnc that's it

[@Grimmvulture]

Acc it doesn’t matter about plug-ins I’ve seen producers use stock plugins with one sample kick drum to create a whole track & it sounds better than most 😂

[@justcallmepablo]

@@Jcjenxnc Totally agree. I should change "get better plugins" for "get more practice on synths waves"

[@pastorerick]

Phillip killed the this with his drums and the ending was epic, and Nate had the bass line and them horns seriously someone should have them do a colab and mix both songs and it would sound epic!

[@willypdrums4567]

Phil... Your mix was super awesome dude!!! My favorite

[@piewar3076]

I’m impressed by both of these, this was very fun to watch

[@Blvckmoses916]

Love this. Just goes to show that even the educator can be educated. Good stuff my guys! Phil got this one 💪🏽

[@RogerRamjet]

Wow, Phil! great job man. Loved both takes.

[@NathanJamesLarsen]

He did great!

[@justinhorn2028]

Great work guys...super fun to watch!!

[@mynameissolongbecauseilike6446]

Dayuuum both of them are straight fire hazzards!

[@idobrendan]

I love Amature version

[@fwbeats3142]

Correct

[@ragasgnuluk716]

same

[@vzbeatz1706]

Both version were incredible, i think the pro version catered more to a tv show theme song while the Amateur version sounded more like a song on the radio, that dominant 7th chord did it for me it carries this dubstep/pop feel to it..plus vocal arrangement. great video you both did awesome

[@williamford9921]

They were so well made! Top shit!! Love them both!!

[@patrick530702]

Both flavors were amazing! Great work Phil, you're exceptionally creative and love the direction you went with this!

[@jaytagle]

That’s absolutely brilliant you guys!!! I wanna be like you two when I grow up!!

[@BHAVYA254]

This series you've started is gold. 🔥

[@NathanJamesLarsen]

Thanks a ton!! 🙏🙏🙏

[@oddbromden8786]

Love the teamwork energy!

[@savykat]

the both were amazing, big ups philllip

[@jotinhabozza]

Remember that Noah's ark was built by amateurs, Titanic was built by professionals

[@kevinschmidt7124]

Since Noah's ark wasn't real that's a pretty weird example 🤣🤣

[@jotinhabozza]

@@kevinschmidt7124 hahahaha word man, word! Thank you for your videos

[@eetthhnn3160]

@@kevinschmidt7124 it is tho??

[@elijah6595]

@@eetthhnn3160 There is legitimate evidence approved by multiple global scientists that it indeed was real.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Noahs ark creation would of (If you belive) have been guided and helped by God.

[@nickvareymusic]

Gotta say I enjoyed the dynamic variety in Nathan's. The production was awesome (if not a touch over the top at the end, still fun though). I really enjoyed Phil's too!

[@daydreamer1165]

Phil, my dude. When i saw u listening to the audio vocals. I was like okay, this mans prob gonna get real technical. You did not fail to deliver. I like the sound and style you ran with. Today you got yourself +1 fan.

[@RiverinityPaclar]

I love hearing you two collaborating 🔥

[@riversideproductionztv]

The professional was to busy for my liking however I did like the horn arrangement and slap bass guitar 🎸 the amateur producer I felt put the most natural vibe in the song and felt like a radio ready tune 👌

[@cryptocaesar8972]

In my opinion that’s the amateur coming through though, the more obvious take is what most novices want to gravitate to

[@cryptocaesar8972]

@Frenzied Unicorn ProductionsUhh, the point was that more basic people and basic musicians wants to take a more basic approach, the approach the amateur took was what I feel most amateurish producers would go for, on the contrary the pro specifically said from the beginning he wants to take this song a weird way you wouldn’t expect and he did that with a very unique take. Most amateur producers don’t have unique takes as they are still attempting to get their songs sounding good in a normal way, this goes for all art, you can look at a Picasso and say it looks like a bunch of scribbles and you can look at an amateurs drawing of a realistic cat and you can say you like that cat more than the Picasso, but that doesn’t mean the amateur is a better artist, the professional knows is just on a different level of doing things. Lastly about jazz musicians, jazz musicians are often the most skilled of any musicians so maybe you have a bad example? It’s actually a similar thing, many people don’t like jazz music because they feel there is too much going on but jazz musicians such as jazz guitarist are often times much much better guitarists than every other genre of music, they know chords and timing and have the mind to play through scales in a way that most guitarists could ever dream.

[@thecraiginator]

Really great job to both of you. Would have never guessed Phil is a noob! Actually preferred the downbeat on this one, as it just felt smoother than the upbeat. REALLY dug the pitch and formant-shifted harmonies on Phil's, too. Loved the funky bass add on yours, Nathan - just wish there was a bit more of it! (i have a think for funky basslines). Great mixing on both and enjoyed em!!! DEFINITELY continue doing these vs series!!

[@resonationtv]

BOTH EPIC id love to see more battles this is top top quality. the way both of your compositions are advanced af!!! creative geniuses AMAZING!!!!

[@user-il9se5cx6q]

Dude i loved thi, it was awesome for both parts and the creativity oh my god

[@lunchbaux6248]

Dudes amazing! I liked Phil's arrangement and song, but yours was definitely mixed better. You've both got fantastic ideas and this was a great challenge! My vote is for Phil since he was the underdog! He proved a worthy competitor!

[@philmchilds]

Phillip that was an awesome track man! I hope one day to live up to our namesake. BRAVO. And Nathan, you sir are an amazing musician, and I freaking love watching your videos!

[@producerhat]

Us Phil’s gotta stick together! 😂

[@MadDoc-df4kw]

Man, I loved them both for different reasons. I absolutely love syncopated rhythms which both of them had. Please do more of these “competitions”, and maybe expand it to several people and then let the viewers judge for a winner. It is so fun to see how people interpret and feel music differently but yet retain the core. Outstanding!!

[@MysticAlankar]

This was really fun to watch, great video!

[@ernestocruz11]

Both where Dope BUT I feel Phil's version would be more of an artist friendly as the 2nd version was all about the beat rather than the song. That funk disco was fire on Nathans version for sure though. Both tracks are inspiring! Nice video!!

[@vicvondark]

The first Trak was absolutely superior to the second one 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@chiller149]

Loved both tracks! Awesome 🙏🤩

[@efftsii]

Interesting and So much fun watching you both get a track and make two different unique mix to the vocals.

[@kalelisuperman]

Well crap….Phil crushed that! I LOVED that. I guess Nathan did ok too

[@NathanJamesLarsen]

Haha! Love it

[@producerhat]

Haha thanks Phil!!

[@alexanderpiano1506]

I like both, but Nathan's rhythmic offsetting (syncopated) and chromatic harmonic descents captures the lyrical content more accurately ("Don't get comfortable" y'all) :)

[@alexciasakate6171]

This is fun to watch..amazing work for both of you..

[@JossDm]

I love this kind of videos, gives me a lot of inspiration

[@dmcgrwcoreaudiovisualengin9023]

Say Phill, that was REALLY COOL. Sounds way Better that I Expected.

[@soundsbyrequestsoundswords360]

They both did great on the build up, I like the funky bass line, and audio distortion in both. But that funky bass and horns did it for me. On the other hand the breakdown and third verse that Phil did was so good that I have to give it to Phil, that was so creative and to do it from scratch. That was so cool. Great job to both but The extra has to be the winner. 🏆 Phil

[@Saturno420_me]

I choose the first One, was really dope. Congrats both for this amazing work

[@Jolland11]

Way to go Phillip!!! Sounds great 🔥🔥🔥

[@pradeeppandey1978]

Phil - effective composition/songwriting, slightly hollow production Nathan - flamboyant production, experimental composition that doesn't always translate to bops

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Also Club Music is very hard to make stand out from every other club track.

[@sevchyk]

So, what wins in your view?

[@jaquansmiley04]

Phil has my vote they are both amazing but the simplicity and creativity in Phil’s version was so amazing and just had me intrigued. The other one had a lot going on and it was hard to enjoy the vocals because I was trying so hard to grasp all the instrumental effects and awesomeness hahah. But overall amazing from the both of you.

[@joshoakes8100]

Both were amazing. Two completely different interpretations. This is why art is infinite.

[@ohiachukwudi4632]

You guys are amazing love your works

[@killuazoldyckhunter]

both are amazing, but I liked Phil's a bit more

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

I want to see what the final master is like in terms of frequency as amateurs often have more dynamic range but less final volume where as the pro often seems to sacrifice some of the dynamic range just to get more volume.

[@rafica2376]

ELIAZ should post both versions on spotify it would be a banger for sure, like same song but diferent producers feauture

[@tyblue8043]

RIGHT

[@disiahmusic]

This is totally amazing. Somewhat mindblowing 🎶❤

[@humanfactor750]

Great job Phil loved it

[@revbsmith298]

I love the "losing control" darker feel of Phil's track. Nathan's was mixed better in my opinion and had a lot of the little nuances that set him apart as the more experiences producer but I love Phil's idea from the minor 7th to the adding of the bridge choir (so dope). I'm team Phil on this one but I have mad respect for both of you! And what a great idea, taking the same vocal track and produce two different records. Love it!

[@suuuperjamaru]

Loved the dark approach 🤞🏾

[@phase0738]

Please continue this series❤️

[@NathanJamesLarsen]

I absolutely plan on it!

[@dnic.b]

Like this format... Not only entertaining but inspiring

[@cassidyraebarrera]

Phillip killed it! I love it!!

[@GregorysMode]

I thought Nathans was a bit confused. Less cohesive, also a bit dated. Phils hit the vibe and could be used. Phil has a lot of natural talent. JMO xp

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Nate kept it simple so was more likely to just sit better in the listeners ears. You do realise that most pop songs used the exact same drums and key as each other.

[@khaledkawkab2793]

Nice work but the “ amateur “ has a better taste and imagine he doesn’t know all the hacks and tricks in the daw 😂. He inspired himself with some timbo tracks with the groove of the drums

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

I'm just glad he (The Amateur) didn't add a dam trap style 808 like every other beat made these days, however I would of put in a sub base under that base he used as it's not very deep.

[@aprilrosario6869]

YES!! TIMBO!

[@producerhat]

@@HOLLASOUNDS I agree…a nice stead sub bass would have added some nice texture for sure!

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@Frenzied Unicorn Productions Yes and I think it can either hinder or help producers who don't use that 808 All the time. I experiment with bass sometimes not really getting it bass enough I go for the sound and then later put a bass under it. Some beats sound good with a booming deep bass but others it just overpowers the rest of what's in the beat like strings.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@@producerhat luckily it's very easily done, all he has to do is find a basic deep bass and put that along with the current bass. I'd just make a new line and copy paste the bars from the current bass. Would take about 2 seconds.

[@thekr3ator91]

Sick video man that was awesome! Let’s goo Colorado!

[@MCS1993]

Great job guys…!!!! Both tracks are awsome. I like Phil’s bridge and his last chorus.

[@pretentioushab]

lol, I love this series so much!!!

[@NathanJamesLarsen]

Thanks a ton! Appreciate it!

[@emperortheconqueror4161]

As much as I love fast music, Phil's choir extra just changed the game. I'd just love to take that part with the bridge, up the tempo and add it to the Pro's! Please are these tracks available for public listening?

[@Mexbrother2009]

Very nice variations of that material. Like both versions with their surprises!

[@dmarcdavinchi9152]

You both have marvelous styles I love the way both of your different sounds pull you into a vision of what the song is about and where it’s going to take you

[@brandnattion4126]

Nathan, why can't we invite everyone to the party. Release a vocal track and let everyone send in their production for the same vocal. all 7 continents bro. bring us on a challenge buddy. well done

[@architectureadventures300]

Bit late, but great idea

[@JoshuaStormmusic]

Here here.

[@serious_about_men]

Nathan’s definitely hits harder but I do love Phil’s rhythm.

[@RogerClubv]

Damn, this is dope. I enjoy watching every minute of it. Thx for sharing

[@jeffinmathew7857]

Such geniuses! Absolutely mind blowing!!

[@PseudoPulse]

I think Nathan, you had great production. I loved the fact that you used a dance beat, wish you would have stuck with 4 on the floor throughout, the breaks with the "hey, ho" kinda made the beat a little hard to feel the groove through. Great job. I am going to have to say that I liked Phil's better, the vocal sat a little better on the 1. Both did a great job

[@mardelproduction9845]

You guys are amazing ,still so under appreciated ,without a good producer any artist in the world is trash .

[@PramodRaiK]

You both have done amazing job there!! Its so close but uniquely seoerated, beautiful detailing at so many chord variations, absolutely loved it!! ❤❤👍 Philip kept his focus to keep the vocal at the high and focussed without blanketing it too much with other sounds, the vocal stays prominent throughout, well done!! ❤❤❤

[@rcrigschopgarage2139]

They were both totally awesome the simplicity of the first 1 give a soulful bop and the second made me wanna start a revolution ❤ truly great work by both humans.

[@salvab_music]

I totally agree the first one was cool the only thing that i didn't enjoy was that clap idk

[@finesseanaems2795]

The Amateur really Sounds Pro to me except that his Chorus wasn't big enough ( larger than life chorus) so the excitement expected in it was cut short. Every other thing is highly engaging.

[@ImmortalsDeath]

Phillip's has the Verses and bridge. And Nathan's has the Chorus. Put them together and it's a great bop. My vote goes to Nathan because it fealt like there was more pieces of the song that made it sound original, however not by a stretch. Obviously Phillip has got some skills 😉

[@wthompson006]

Really nice, both you guys. I know it was nearly a year ago, but I just found this and wanted to say how awesome the productions are from both.

[@YakDiezel]

BrOOOOOO!!! watching you made me remember why I love production! It's another language you speak through the creation of music and what you're doing right now is a key way to get better at production by really listening and hearing what the producer is saying with every sound the placement arrangement the way you ride the tempo. Great stuff!!