How the World's Top Web Browser Died

[@nationsquid]

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[@jonesisnotarobot]

Hostinger? I hardly know er

[@officalcassiopeia]

video.

[@AnonimitySmith]

Another Squid vid! Yay!

[@misterhat5823]

No. Sales pitches in the middle of videos are a nuisance.

[@dmetrihayes5713]

I thought that ad read was phenomenal! Great work!

[@MSThalamus-gj9oi]

It wasn't just the logo that changed. The first release of Edge wasn't based on Chromium. It was another internal effort at Microsoft. It couldn't compete with the extension ecosystem of Chrome, though, and at about that time the CEO was going from Ballmer's hands to Nadella's. They reasoned, quite right, that they could put out a more compatible product at a much lower cost by rebasing on Chromium rather than continuing all development efforts in-house, and so they did.

[@creativegamer_03]

I was expecting him to include that in the video, but he didn't. Kinda sad tho. I remember using it during its beta phase, or when it was still using its codename "Project Spartan", on Windows 10 Mobile first technical preview builds. although it felt new, it just felt like IE11 but Windows 10. Same goes to its release build when it finally got renamed to "Microsoft Edge" with the E logo on Windows 10. It's startup also felt sluggish as well (though this could be because UWP apps weren't good at starting up on a desktop at that time).

[@lenni-builder]

I think the old EdgeHTML engine was still based on IE's Trident abd there were even plans to just update IE with the new engine. The logo change happened at the same time they released the Chromium rebase, so that's probably the main reason it gained more marketshare.

[@MartyrKomplx-Prime]

Came here for this comment. I tried edge a few times in it's first release. Absolutely horrid. When I heard the rereleased it with chromium, I tried it again. Fell in love with it. When google announced web manifest 3, i moved over to Firefox, but still use edge at work.

[@LegioXXI]

Interesting thought experiment of mine: What if Microsoft decided to use Gecko (Firefox core) as basis for their Edge 2.0?

[@MartyrKomplx-Prime]

Came for this comment. When edge was first released, I couldn't stand it, at all. When i found out they were releasing a chromium version, I hopped on the beta. It was love, unfortunately I had to jump to Firefox when manifest 3 was announced. But I still use edge at work.

[@adamsfusion]

Corrections: 1. Spyglass did not create IE1 as stated in the video. Microsoft merely licensed it with a per-sale royalty paid. When Microsoft gave it away for free, Spyglass sued and won over lost royalties. 2. Apple was not forced to support Microsoft Office. Apple NEEDED Microsoft Office to be on Macs. Microsoft had threatened to stop making the Mac OS port due to the next point. 3. There's an implication that the $150 million was needed to fund Apple. It was not. The $150 million was payment for Microsoft _stealing_ Apple's Quicktime code for "Video for Windows". 4. Firefox (then Phoenix) predates Safari by a year. The implication made in the video that Safari somehow influenced Firefox to come into existence is simply false. 5. Edge originally used EdgeHTML and Chakra, not Chromium and V8. Extra note: For historical reference, it's better to refer to Nexus as WorldWideWeb as it's the most common way to refer to Tim Berners-Lee's original creation.

[@Kiki79250CoC]

Chromium is the project, the rendering engine is called Blink

[@olnnn]

It also sort of misses that the reason chrome in particular got the most dominant is due to googles ability to agressively push it via their search engine (And forgot/left out Opera during the "second" browser wars)

[@stgigamovement]

EdgeHTML was just as bad with certain web features as Internet Explorer, such as with Data URLs.

[@stgigamovement]

Old Edge was also glitchy.

[@JohnGardnerAlhadis]

Chrome was originally a fork of WebKit (Safari's browser engine), which in turn was forked from Konqueror (KHTML). I felt like these facts were glossed over in the video, making it seem like developing a web browser-even in the nascent years of the Web-was a straightforward task (building it is one thing; keeping up with the breakneck pace at which the Web Platform evolves is another matter entirely...)

[@Kamikazekims]

i use Netscape navigator

[@anthonygotttheonly]

🦊

[@Kamikazekims]

@@anthonygotttheonly 🐶

[@tempeztfox]

🦊 and 🦁

[@Dr.Mohandes]

The goat

[@freeuploads4290]

Wow me too.

[@meerkat5818]

Never knew Firefox had its roots in Netscape Navigator! That's amazing

[@s4ndwichMakeR]

And Netscape Navigator’s original code name was “Mozilla” (from “Mosaic Killer”). That’s where the eponymous foundation got its name from.

[@DavidMander-rs4uk]

Me neither! Firefox was a great browser.

[@marshallgraphic]

They both include the name Mozilla

[@bananawitchcraft]

Kinda blew my mind. I'm using Firefox right now. Netscape is one of those things that gives me massive nostalgia, because it kinda just seemed to drop off the face of the earth when the 90's drew their last breath

[@daveseville7394]

Its still around. I use it all the time. Underrated ​@DavidMander-rs4uk

[@walpoleandworcester]

Seeing the old Cartoon Network site brought back so many memories. Anyway, back then I used Netscape and later Firefox.

[@cyby124]

alive and real

[@ecogreen123]

really with the alternatives, interesting.

[@RunicSigils]

Yep. Used NN until after FF seemed decent. And I am also why my school had FF as the default for my last couple months. The three of us who were way ahead of everyone else in the programming class - and were also the three largest general nerds - helped set up the new computer lab when they bought all new stuff. The guy who taught the class was the actual network admin and knew we knew our stuff and could be trusted, so he got us to help. After we had everything set up, connected and installed, I used the new admin level powers my log in had been given to change the default browser for the entire set up, lol.

[@jaishree701]

​@@RunicSigilsdid you guys had threesomes how do people date without internet

[@Bigj0110]

Which now the cartoon Network website doesn't even exist anymore

[@TUYonYouTube]

Microsoft edge didn’t use chromium back in 2015/2016 when the re brand happened that’s when they used chromium

[@TheLingo56]

Yeah the 3rd browser “war” happened and Microsoft got demolished into making a rebranded Chrome. It’s sad because old Edge was arguably the fastest browser, and it was extremely energy efficient. It’s just that web developers only tested Firefox, Safari, and Chrome so many sites were broken on old Edge :/

[@Terminal10]

"Who was at this executive staff meeting?""Probably members of the executive staff." For some reason, this cracked me up

[@whiskeywolfgang]

Honestly, that was a quick and witty answer, can't even be mad

[@EpicGhostShadow]

Me too lol

[@EpicGhostShadow]

"Can you define internet software"

[@stunytsuR]

It had me laughing too

[@BrianandKarina]

I must say that lately I've been using Edge and I'm liking it, but I want to look for a Windows key to see if it improves a little more.

[@manu55pool]

In BNH Software you can check to see if you can get it and I think it can improve a little

[@bad.sector]

Some fun fact that could have made the point of the video clearer: Microsoft CLOSED the development team after finishing IE6. They just did not innovate, they did NOTHING FOR YEARS, they just decided that the development of the browser was done. It took them almost 5 years to start with IE7, and fun fact from Wikipedia: "Within a year after IE7's release (end of 2006 to end of 2007) support calls to Microsoft had decreased 10-20%" Firefox was initally called "Phoenix", then "Firebird", and then finally "Firefox". It had the major market share of 3rd party browsers until Chrome came up, and Google used its search engine advantage to "convince" users to install it by showing users ads about a newer/better browser (despite that not being entirely true), basically doing the same thing as Microsoft did once. But that's another story...

[@HungerGamesFan00]

man i remember being captivated by those yt vids in middle school

[@SupaBuma]

I remember just using plain ol Mozilla prior to Firefox. I wonder what would happen now if I clicked on those old pre Firefox Mozilla .exe's? lol

[@nickwallette6201]

I didn't know about them closing shop on the browser rendering engine team. I DO remember just learning how to code HTML, CSS, and JavaScript around that time, and being so incredibly frustrated with how utterly useless IE6 was. The problem was, anything I wrote had to work fully and perfectly in IE6, because it had ALL the market share. But it had SO many rendering bugs, didn't support PNG without hacks (meaning your only choice for transparent backgrounds was GIF... with all 256 colors you're allowed to use in that format), couldn't draw graphical elements over Windows controls, so it was impossible to display a drop-down menu over a web form without the text boxes and buttons poking through, and the JS performance was DOG slow. This, as I recall, was why Chrome blew up. It may have gotten mindshare through marketing, but it brought the goods. It was borne of frustration with lousy browser performance, and it was adopted by users for the same reason. I distinctly remember designing a front-end for a database that highlighted rows of records (by using the CSS :hover attribute to change their background color) when you hovered your mouse pointer over them. In IE, it turned into a slideshow .. measured in seconds per frame. Firefox performed okay, but it obviously hit the CPU harder than you would expect for such a benign feature on PCs in the Pentium 4 class. Chrome handled it with ease. That led to a few years of hearing everyone talk about the browser ACID tests... And that was when I switched my primary browser on Windows PCs.

[@ggn3]

I remember well how Microsoft's lack of updates for IE6 through much of the 2000s made it prone enough to viruses and malware, as well as not supporting web site functionality that later came about. This level of arrogance from them got me fed up enough with them where I chose to jump onto Firefox and never bothered going back to them, even when they ditched IE for Edge.

[@sebwan]

Another fun fact: IE6 usage kept being so high for a very long time (mostly out of necessity as many web pages were developed solely with IE in mind) that Microsoft itself created a website called "IE6 Countdown" to make people finally ditch IE6 in favor of more modern browsers

[@mitchc9167]

I remember the day Internet Explorer shutdown. It was such a sad day. I remember being holed up in my room for hours wondering how I was meant to install Chrome on my laptop from now on.

[@jeremywj]

Haha! Exactly. The only time I've ever used IE/Edge in the last 10+ years was to download chrome or firefox.

[@lanellol]

@@jeremywj this and also when a random pdf I need opens in edge for some reason

[@nickwallette6201]

For years, I referred to MSIE as "the browser pre-installation environment."

[@justinharris2272]

It took me a pretty hilarious amount of time to even realise that was a punchline and not supposed to be a relatable statement

[@sourlaugh]

@@lanellolyou have to set the browser you want as your default browser and it should work.

[@chaichaitee]

The third browser war will probably be about privacy

[@LubosMudrak]

If you want a browser with privacy in this situation, you are looking for a commercial browser so you are the customer instead of being the product yourself.

[@todortodorov6056]

This is where google and chrome will become what Microsoft and IE were 15 years ago. Google is already doing what it can to prevent ad blockers and other privacy tools.

[@neilpatrickhairless]

So at this point the "privacy war" comes down to which browser let's you look at websites about making bombs or websites full of definitely illegal pornography without NARCing on you to the Feds

[@BOWIEE_]

The sponsor part of the video is so smart!!!! The way you do it doesn't make you want to skip it it's fun and quite creative

[@28nihilist]

No

[@BOWIEE_]

@@28nihilist dang 😔💔💔💔

[@kathrynradonich3982]

​@@BOWIEE_seriously I laughed when I realized it was a sponsorship 😂

[@maxave7448]

We were fooled, tricked, and, quite possibly, bamboozled...

[@artman2oo3]

Web designers/developers such as myself hated IE with a passion. I can't tell you how frustrating it was supporting IE, especially IE6. Even into the early 2010s we had clients continuing to insist on supporting IE6 because they still ran on Windows XP and refused to upgrade their windows or IE claiming it was so secure. To do almost modern thing in a web page we had to hack a bunch of workarounds or use CSS hacks for backwards compatibility. It was a nightmare. I sure am glad those days are over. Now we almost never have to deal with differences of display between Edge, Chrome, Firefox. Now the issue is device and screen size compatibility.

[@friedcatfood]

I exclusively use Safari and Firefox now, since they’re the only non-Chromium browsers out there. I think the third browser war will be Chromium-based vs non-Chromium, but it might not happen if Chromium remains the de-facto browser base. Don’t let Google win

[@lainiwakura1776]

Sadly, a lot of people are ignorant of this.

[@mathman0569]

there's also servo, though that's nowhere near ready right now

[@BerserkJeffy]

Don't forget that most of the revenue Mozilla makes is from Google.

[@WINOBOT]

I'm ignorant to this, please elaborate. Chromium is bad?​@@lainiwakura1776

[@iamwisdomsky]

As a web developer, I use chrome for web development due to its devtools and development extensions supports. But for casual peronal browsing on my mac, I use safari. It's undeniably much faster and more ram-efficient than chrome even with 50 tabs open.

[@Adam-jw3uz]

The third browser war will just be us as a society breaking away from Google's world dominance and seeking alternatives.

[@betsyschmedia]

Third browser war is gonna be pioneered by DuckDuckGo users 😭😭

[@nickgavis0305]

I wish that would be that case. But most people are just sheep and aren’t gonna look that deep into what google is doing

[@Jetanium]

​@@nickgavis0305 what are they doing?

[@ChocoRainbowCorn]

@@nickgavis0305 I know what they are doing, and quite honestly, I don't care. I just use a good browser that Chrome is. Nothing more, nothing less :)

[@ChocoRainbowCorn]

The thing is, I don't need an alternative for most Google products. They are as good as I need them to be, which is why I stay. Not exactly because I absolutely love Google as an company.

[@Theshadiestofslims]

The strange thing is, I was searching for a video on Internet Explorer and I saw this video in my notifications.

[@mjaypierce9549]

aaaahhhh

[@Mamu-m6x]

Privacy security anonymity 🤡

[@matfoster5938]

peak algorithm levels

[@MrBelles104]

I know you see this as the humorous serendipity that it is, while others in the replies are brain-deficient enough to believe the algorithm somehow caused NationSquid to spontaneously upload this video just for you, which would be an admirable act of friendship, but also creepy if he's colluding with KZbin and is on a moment's notice basis of communication with them.

[@DaAstronauty]

Fr​@@Mamu-m6x

[@ebridgewater]

12:44 "Who was at this executive staff meeting?" "Probably members of the executive staff." - You legend, Bill 😆

[@maxave7448]

I just love the "Yeah, Java Runtime probably relates to Java"

[@DrSpaceman42]

Classic microsoft logic

[@Dan1elAndrade]

Simp

[@JashanNandh04]

Best reply of question whose answer u don't know

[@locki_dos]

Microsoft Edge wasn't chromium based until 2019. And the reason why it has a higher market share after the new version of edge was introduced is because microsoft has been using tactics within later windows 10 updates and now windows 11 that forcibly use Edge even if your default web browser is chrome, etc. Using the search bar and accidently use the 'see web results'; microsoft edge. Using settings and clicking on the 'related support' links; microsoft edge. etc. Even if it's a minor and small inconvenient usage; It still heavily skews the market share of the browser, making it seem bigger than it actually really is.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

This is why everyone despise crappy edge.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Edge is a piece of garbage browser that no one uses. Everyone despise edge because is to bloated and crappy. Their bunch of liars. They steal our data and also forcing everyone to use it against user’s will. No wonder crappy edge market share is decreasing due to their dirty tactics. Crappy edge is digging its own grave. Just stick with google chrome.

[@lainiwakura1776]

And if you know what you're doing, you can probably change those defaults.

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

I want to use Chrome again😭 I didn't like being forced to Edge with Win11

[@Jetanium]

​@@RosesTeaAndASDwhat's the difference?

[@MSThalamus-gj9oi]

Something most people don't know, and I do because I was there, after IE 6's release, IE went into a "Sustained Engineering" mode, where only bug fixes were intended to ever be released again. The team name even changed from IE to IESE. Almost the entire team had left, half to MSN Explorer, and the other half to Avalon, which eventually morphed into the DWM in Vista (think Aero Glass). I was dumb enough to stay with IE....

[@ZakHooiTM]

Do you also know why it was put in SE mode after IE6?

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@ZakHooiTMthe business management mindset says “hey, we won, let’s just keep that going now”. While competitors kept working and improving. It’s a very common phenomenon in business and even has a name - a “success trap”.

[@nickwallette6201]

Whoever thought IE6 was the pinnacle of browser technology needs to be locked away in a padded room for their own safety.

[@leroy2576]

The other point missing from this video is that IE didn't follow the published standards, so as a web developer, we had to write different code to handle IE. Clients that we worked with never understood why IE looked different than the other browsers. It was a constant pain and every web developer had a party when IE was finally retired. haha

[@nickwallette6201]

I remember fighting this battle at a company I worked for, writing an internal web app using Konqueror as my browser. I would then jump into an XP machine to test it, and of course, nothing worked correctly, or sometimes at all. I would then research whatever problem I was having, and find a thread of frustrated web developers writing long and kludgy workarounds in CSS and JS to force IE to behave more like a standards-compliant browser. If I tested in Firefox or Opera, it would usually be at least reasonably close. Sometimes I had to explicitly state some defaults I had assumed in CSS, or there would be a minor difference in interpretation that was usually pretty easy to overcome. But IE? Total &%$# show. I'm sure everyone at that time was having a conversation similar to mine: "Your UI is broken when I click on the menu." "Yeah, that's an IE problem. Can we just switch to a better browser?" "No, IE is the corporate standard, and besides, we need it for all those web applications that use ActiveX." "Oh, you mean the practice of downloading and executing code from third-party websites as a local application on users' desktops? Yeah, that seems totally safe." "It's our only option. Sorry." When IE 7 ... _finally_ ... oozed out of the sewage pipe, I prayed for it to resolve all the problems that IE 6 caused. It didn't. Not completely. But it was only HALF as bad as IE 6, which was a huuuuuuge improvement. (And, heheh, happened to break a lot of sites, particularly those that used AX controls. And all you companies that deployed those web apps -- you deserved it.) That ushered in the dark ages of Java, but at least that wasn't a proprietary Microsoft platform, which overcame ONE obstacle to using other browsers...

[@zenkim6709]

This was by no means an accident, but by design.... Bill Gates (& therefore by logical extension Microsoft) always had monopoly power as his endgame -- to gain ultimate dominance over the computer market by any means available. To this end, Microsoft had a simply business strategy: "embrace, extend, exterminate." Step 1: Embrace Microsoft would always start off by positioning itself as a "friendly" newcomer, claiming to be 100% supportive of whatever industry standards existed for the market or tech sphere (the PC industry, the OS market, web browsing, JAVA, OpenGL etc.) they were entering. Step 2: Extend The next stage was to introduce "improvements" to the industry standards, w/ the purported aim to "extend" the usefulness of established industry norms. In reality, this was a sham, a ruse to create a schism between the industry standard & those who decided to support the Microsoft Way -- essentially forking the industry. Step 3: Exterminate The intended, final phase was to build up a majority faction (or at least THE ILLUSION of a majority faction) to where support for the industry standard would dwindle & fade away in support of the Microsoft Way as the de facto standard. This literally worked in the past for Microsoft when they successfully squeezed out all the other competitors in the early PC OS market (by aggressive marketing as well as unethical business practices) such as IBM's PC-DOS & later the OS/2 product line (which ironically was co-developed originally w/ Microsoft as a complete replacement for both DOS & Windows) as well as Microsoft's strongest competition against the 1st generations of Windows (up to & including 3.x) by introducing new versions of MS-DOS that would flatout refuse to run any GUI shell other than Windows, effectively reducing its competitors to deprecated software because they could only run on older DOS releases. The problem is that this stopped being a winning strategy yrs ago, yet Microsoft keeps refusing to learn its lesson. Its attempt to completely fork the websphere in favor of exclusively Internet Explorer - only sites ultimately failed, yet Microsoft keeps trying to pull the same kind of stunts it did to takeover the web browser market (only now in favor of Edge rather than IE) ... & perhaps even more crucial is the fact that older versions of Windows present a major obstacle to widespread adoption of newer Windows releases, particularly when those newer releases prove to be untenably bloated, buggy horror shows -- going all the way back to 3.11 vs 95 (in its earliest build), then 95 vs 98 (1st Edition), 9x vs ME (the horror!) & on thru XP vs Vista/Longhorn etc ad nauseum. The ultimate irony is that Microsoft tried early on to squash Linux as a major competitor against Windows, even when Linux barely made a blip on the 1990s consumer PC market as an OS alternative. Now, w/ Microsoft having made the arrogant claim that Windows is & will always be the "final" OS solution for the PC market, each successive business move it makes to exert even greater control over Windows users -- by locking out options & workarounds against logging into a Microsoft account & having Edge as the only default web browser, among others -- only seems to further alienate once-complacent Windows users to the point where they continue to abandon Microsoft in favor of migrating to Linux. To paraphrase Princess Leia from the 1st Star Wars movie -- "The more you tighten your grip, the more systems will slip through your fingers!"

[@midwestweirdo666]

That new edge logo looks like it's trying to copy the shape of Firefox with the color pattern of chrome

[@beardsntools]

Yeah they just made something generic an circular, to fit the similar share what typical user is used to click on for web browser

[@damlatorun6756]

Waterfox

[@kkkk-bb6ko]

@@beardsntools thats exactly what was the point

[@nickwallette6201]

That's kind of what Microsoft does. "Hmm, what's popular right now? I guess we'll do that!" So much of their portfolio has been acquisitions that get neglected, and second-rate "me-too" products, that it just goes to show how much inertia is responsible for a company's success.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

Edge, Firefox, and Chrome are all swirly circles. Throw in Safari, Opera, and Duckduckgo and they’re all circles😊

[@stevenjlovelace]

Fun fact about the name "Mozilla". It goes back to the earliest browser war (Zeroth Browser War?). where Netscape was competing against Mosaic. The codename for the beta Netscape Navigator was "Mozilla", as in "Mosaic Killer," combined with "Godzilla." If you type "about:mozilla" into Firefox even now, you'll get a red page with a faux-Bible verse about the mythical Mozilla.

[@tankermottind]

I was an Internet Explorer hater from the very beginning. My first web browser was Netscape 3, then Netscape Communicator, then I moved onto Mozilla, and then Firefox, so from a certain point of view I have used Netscape for 30 years straight.

[@RunicSigils]

Almost the same here. Started with DOS Lynx then shortly moved on to Navigator which I stuck with until Firefox was in it what I considered a good enough state. I've tried a bunch of them and I dislike all of them besides these three.

[@maxave7448]

I honestly might switch back to firefox after watching this video. The tragic story of firefox and its failed battle against monopolies is fucking legendary

[@UzumakiNaruto_]

I started off with Netscape and it was my favorite browser and now Firefox is still my main browser. To this day Firefox still has the best bookmark manager and organization and it has by far the best customization to make it just the way you like it to look and function.

[@worldquestioneer1533]

I love Internet Explorer for it’s look and feel. Do you like the look and feel of Internet Explorer? The one thing I don’t like about Internet Explorer is it’s slow performance. Internet Explorer is desktop-friendly, and so is Firefox. Chrome and Edge are mobile-ish.

[@Lila_UrarakaYT]

18:16 Edge was not built off of Chromium at first, it originally used its own engine called EdgeHTML, but everybody hated it, so after that, then they adopted Chromium

[@mtarek2005]

when the engine called edgehtml it was almost as bad as IE but extremely up to date to a point of being faster releasing than chrome but it was really really half baked because they always followed the shiny new thing but didn't take the time to make it well, and also the UI design was horrible, it was too reminding of win8 IE and very boxy and just middle gray everywhere, just no contrast between the tabs an background and navbar, also weird choice to give bing a horrible logo design and just fill it with ads and MSN news also cute pfp btw

[@Lila_UrarakaYT]

@@mtarek2005 yeah, EdgeHTML was a complete failure. Thank you!

[@_DeathDreams_]

3rd browser war: Chromium vs Chromium

[@jah_141]

lol

[@LegioXXI]

Thats already happening. Many browser fanboys arguing against each other (like Opera vs Chrome vs Brave), despite all being Chromium browsers. Firefox and Safari are the last true competitors to the Chromium hegemony. And Firefox is constantly shrinking, while Safari is limited to the Apple ecosystem. Therefore, Chromium has no true equal competition.

[@SemIdeiaDeNome4]

​@@LegioXXIwhat about Ladybird browser?

[@DrSpaceman42]

cries in mozilla 😢

[@TheBenSanders]

I purposely use Firefox because fuck Google

[@bchristian85]

IE was a security nightmare decades before Microsoft finally put it out of it's misery. Nobody who know what they were doing used IE any later than November 9, 2004.

[@nickwallette6201]

I was a big fan of Microsoft, Windows, and IE until IE 6. It was fine when it came out, with the understanding that it was a work-in-progress. But like food left in the fridge for way too long, by the time it was removed by people in biohazard suits, clicking on the E icon would cause a visceral "UGH... what is that SMELL?!" reaction.

[@kirkmooneyham]

TBH, I miss the "old internet", even if it was slower. At least there were real people with real information on real sites. Real versus a bunch of bot garbage clogging up search results, AI info that says nothing of note, and topics being buried if they aren't part of the current trends.

[@metropolisatlantas]

It’s not the logo change, it’s the corporate clients forcing their users to use Edge and blocking all other browsers. I suspect MS is again playing dirty and forcing this upon clients who buy their Office packages.

[@CYLITM]

There are some people using Edge willingly, not because it's the default.

[@nickwallette6201]

@@CYLITM Pretty sure that rumor has been debunked. ;-)

[@noth606]

There were reasons to force users to use a specific browser back in the day, most of all not having to support shizzle that needed to be updated in wonky ways all the time. Corporate users often work on machines they have no rights to install or update anything on.

[@Rachit114]

Exactly. Everyone prefers Chrome over Edge. But MS forces companies to use Edge, and therefore company laptops have only Edge enabled for all work apps. This is again the same unethical practice by MS like they did earlier.

[@noth606]

@@Rachit114 You don't understand how any of this works, clearly. There is nothing unethical about it, but you claiming so means you don't understand what ethics are. But to put it simply, if you work for me, and I provide a laptop to you to do that work on, there is NOTHING UNETHICAL about me preventing you from installing viruses, spyware etc on that laptop, there is nothing unethical for me making sure that the browser that all the custom software I've had made to do the work I'm paying you to do, is the only browser on the laptop I'm providing for you to do the work on. You trying to use that laptop for something OTHER than work, IS an issue unless I have explicitly told you it is okay to do. So, you commenting on youtube without understanding what you're talking about, is unethical.

[@qubex]

I feel really old because I lived right through that era. It makes me feel like a caveman now, to think that I saw what so many people take for granted actually happen. I remember being a teenager reading the beta preview reports of Windows 95, I remember queuing and getting the update when it was released at midnight. I remember having my first internet connection at home in 1999. I remember using Netscape Navigator and ICQ. I remember switching to Mac at the times of OS X 10.2 and running the first Safari beta before it even supported tabs. I feel very nostalgic for that era.

[@kimdavis2433]

I remember I first saw a computer screen when I was around 4 and I was in awe at the Internet Explorer logo - the prospect of clicking that button to explore *the entire internet.* RIP.

[@whtiequillBj]

@16:53, you're a little bit premature. You missed that Mozilla as a web browser had already been around for a number of years. With a dinosaur as its logo.

[@noticiasinmundicias]

LONG LIVE FIREFOX! Brave, Opera and all that jazz are basically reskinned Chrome. (Chromium)

[@Kiki79250CoC]

Originally Opera used their own engine (Presto), they just abandoned it in 2013 by switching to Chromium. The last update to the Presto-based Opera happened in 2016 with version 12.18.

[@flarithen]

@@noticiasinmundicias firefox gang

[@residentalien818]

safari and i think vivaldi and probably some others are webkit. Not sure if using a webkit browser is much better than using chromium though lmao apple still sucks

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@residentalien818webkit began with kde, apple didn’t make it

[@MrBelles104]

Brave is good, open source, a good transitional browser for refined Chrome users, but no doubt in my mind that FireFox, (at least a hardened FireFox that removes all the remaining spyware like LibreWolf) reigns supreme!

[@TacoGuy]

edge was not running on chromium initially. it ran on proprietary EdgeHTML engine, which is basically fork of IE. later, in 2018, EdgeHTML was abandoned in favor of chromium. it was actually pretty good, imo, but now we've got another chromium clone.

[@joniroxanne96]

I hope whoever came up with using that *Rolling Stones* song in that Windows 95 ad got a raise. 👏🏻 Believe it or not, *Space Cadet PinBall 3D* actually taught me how to play pinball. 🙌🏻

[@MrBelles104]

I believe it.

[@chiragpatil3772]

​@MrBelles104 I believe it too.

[@SupaBuma]

TILT lol

[@josephgregorowicz5135]

HUGE inaccuracy : IE came before Windows 95. The version of IE that came as part of Windows 95 was IE 4.0. I remember using IE 3.x on both Wil 3.1 and 3.11, as well as Mac OS7. Early versions of IE were also integrated into the "AOL Browser".

[@aruan7sp]

The logo change isn't the main factor to convince people to switch to Edge, Microsoft is again using their market position in the OS market to push Edge very aggressively in Windows 11.

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

This is why everyone despise crappy edge.

[@JD-gk7eh]

Theory at @19:11 : Branding absolutely matters! If it didn't, companies wouldn't rise and fall based on it and there wouldn't be whole teams at every company getting paid lots of money to figure it out. A new logo or new name goes a long way because that makes people think something is new. So a very reasonable theory.

[@CryoM3ncer]

I thought the Hostinger thing was a bit, not a sponsorship. Well played 😂

[@Coolremac]

He's very slick at that. I don't like it when they do that. I'm here to see the video, not the advertisements. That's why I try to skip it. But in this case, I was too late. 😂

[@MrBelles104]

The moment he said 'swag' was the moment I noticed, so yes, a very great bit, he makes the most natural sponsors work.

[@zakem]

Man you're so underrated. I've been watching your videos for a while and I gotta say, I enjoy each and every piece of content you put out and haven't gotten bored of your channel. I really love how natural and well made your videos are. Please keep it up! :3

[@MrBelles104]

Great soothing music, interest in early internet, this channel rocks.

[@erikadrakeYT]

13:27 this rule doesn’t apply to any businesses now since Microsoft is openly running a monopoly along with Disney apple fb etc

[@UnknownFlyingPancake]

Another reason IE fell out of favor was it was very vulnerable to things like spyware and malware, which were lurking everywhere in seemingly "safe" and mainstream sites. Other browsers made it easier to actually use the internet more safely.

[@MrBelles104]

Heh, similar reason why Linuzzzzz is rightfully taking over. Even if most malware devs target Windows because of the large user %, it's fundamentally flawed that no one can reliably patch an issue themselves and rely on one central team of incompetents to do everything. Not to be harsh on the devs, it's a tall order being new to a decades old system, we can't quantitatively place fault.

[@eldoblixtlo1058]

Does everyone else remember how noisy internet used to be? Many websites used play background music or custom noises at times, often when hovering or clicking on things. The audio was often so unexpectedly loud that it could easily startle you or blow out the speakers, especially when it easily overlapped each other which disrupts the experience and performance that it was almost unusable. Nowadays there are much stricter policies of how to use sound on the internet which is why videos often starts out without sounds and letting the user to choose when the audio will play rather than being automatically forced upon the user.

[@charlzthedrummer]

Great idea for retro bit in the ad, but I wouldn’t waste that talent on something 99% percent of viewers will just skip over.

[@Pinkcircleguy]

i guess im the 1% then.

[@lees_box]

All his ads are works of art made in different ways and he puts a lot of effort into them. There are people who appreciate that and watch them and they're not overly long anyway.

[@UserAccount-ThisOne]

@@lees_box as a person who actively uses sponsorblock, its not that i dont appreciate the artwork, its just i am one of the few people who genuinely recognizes that, if a company puts its name out there on every place, video, and thing in social media, they are putting all of the money directly into advertising instead of making the product actually good. so yes, i definitely do value a creators hardwork and time, however its not the creator or their work that makes me avoid it, its the fact that a company is paying them to heavily promote it instead of putting that money into the product itself, raid shadow legends, raycon, betterhelp, its always the same thing. either marketing for a garbage product thats going to never do what its meant to, or straight up a scam. i dont blame anyone for taking sponsorships, people need money, i just dont want to be subjected to promotion for a product i know is not going to be worth it in any stance.

[@lolcuselen02]

I wasn't skip the ad

[@MarshallsEmporium]

to be honest the transition to the add was so smooth that i actively decided to watch the full ad just to respect the hustle

[@LiveWireBT]

The edge logo also looks like an “e”. That’s an interesting point you make there for people with a perspective that not flat out rejects any Microsoft browser. The difference to the new edge logo is that it uses a color which was never used and therefore never associated with Internet Explorer: green. If you squint and you can’t tell blue apart from green, it’s a blue “e”. So, if your argument is true, there must be have been some very busy people involved at the time to achieve both: Communicate that it is a new and fast product. Communicate that it is basically the same which one has been using on Windows before.

[@hyphenuniverse]

The main reason i switched was because IE was so vulnerable to malware. A PC ckuld get ate up within a few months of consistent browsing with it. I switched Firefox as it gained popularity but I've been rocking Chrome for several years now because Firefox still uses a ton of memory

[@imaweiner1293]

When Microsoft initially made the switch to edge, they built their own engine. You mentioned a lolo change, but this was actually a whole different browser Microsoft made by overwriting the Microsoft Edge running their own engine, to an Edge running chromium.

[@imaweiner1293]

Meant to say logo. Got tripped up by autocorrect and my big fingers

[@TGranit3]

1 Mistake: Microsoft edge used a proprietary engine called EdgeHTML up until they changed their logo, at that point they changed it to chromium

[@lainiwakura1776]

Using Chromium is a mistake

[@dado5482]

i thnk that ur the first youtuber that i enjoy watching ads on videos, you make your sponsorships very entertaining! good job! greetings from italy

[@DJAllOut]

I'm sure everyone remembers Internet Explorer nicknamed "Internet Exploder" but does anyone remember Netscape being nicknamed "Nutscrape Aggravater"? lol

[@SupaBuma]

pr0nscape navigator lol

[@DaemonCorps]

Didn't know that things got "publicly pie a man in the face" levels of serious. Super informative video!

[@emomonstermacedo]

I'm going to stop you right there the only time I ever used Internet explorer or Microsoft edge is to download Google Chrome and that's it.

[@beardsntools]

You literally download a worse browser with edge, that's literally same but bloated with google spying. I use ungoogled chromium and before I used brave, until that got too bloated.

[@Handleneeds3ormorecharacters_-]

Honey ! Nation squid posted a vid- …“YOU’VE GOT MAIL!”… ahhhh!!

[@lucesays]

Watching this from my Microsoft Edge browser. We use Edge too at work. This is pretty fascinating.

[@Boss-rm7wr]

Me too. Using Microsoft Edge since 2020 haven't face any single issue. After that Chrome still looks like it still living in 2011 or 2012.😂

[@weirdo5518]

im watching this from the Microsoft Edge Browser too xD

[@FSAPOJake]

I still remember late 2006. I had just turned 11, and Internet Explorer 7 had just released. It was horrible. I wasn't even aware you could get different web browsers, but I remember downloading Firefox for the first time and it felt like I had entered a whole other world. MUCH better than IE7. Also, a slight correction. Microsoft Edge, at launch, did not use Chromium. Chromium Edge launched in early 2019.

[@nickwallette6201]

IE 7 was awful. But it was so, so, so much better than IE 6. You have no idea. There ought to be support groups for those of us who still have physical reactions to the term "quirks mode."

[@worldquestioneer1533]

At first I didn’t like Internet Explorer 7, because it lacked some features of its predecessor, IE6, such as the Search Pane and Search Companion. It also doesn’t integrate with Windows File Explorer anymore. However, Ioved Internet Explorer 8.

[@Casprizzle]

The third browser wars are already upon us, Google Chrome seems hell bent on ruining ad block and this will cause people to swap to browsers with built in ad blockers. The internet is almost unusable without ad block.

[@Mmmeeee4]

At least Firefox is still save. And has better privacy protection.

[@nikoah-ix]

The moment I cannot block ads on Chrome anymore is the day I switch to Firefox

[@gl1tchygreml1n]

I just wanted to let you know, you and Internet Historian are the only KZbinrs whose ads I don't skip

[@shortcutslab703]

I love your videos you sound like an historic channel and I love it

[@MrBelles104]

Bro is using the shortcuts icon, it has nice gradients!

[@RobinLeGaming]

Corrections. Microsoft Edge was (as far as I know, as somebody that never worked for Microsoft) built from the ground up originally. It wasn't only a rebranding, Internet Explorer still came with Windows 10 even way after Edge was released. Later on, as barely anybody used Edge, they abandoned their own browser engine and developed a new version based on Chromium. Yes, nowadays IE only redirects you to Edge, but it never was the same product.

[@amaruqlonewolf3350]

Their hostility towards other web browser still persists to this day, it's just a bit passive aggressive at this point. Their attempts (although failed) to gain dominance over other web browsers were integrated Edge into Windows 10 and 11, preventing the users from essentially uninstalling the browser (more or less the common folk, anyway). Another display of this thirst for control was their planned update to prevent users from installing any other web browsers on Windows 10 if they had Edge already installed. Thankfully it was met with a massive amount of backlash that they eventually canned it, though one can't say if they've fully abandoned the idea, as they're known for persistently retrying an already failed idea over and over until they just forcefully integrate it.

[@LordApophis100]

Google used Webkit, the engine behind Safari, to implement Chrome. Webkit was started by Apple as a port of KHTML to macOS.

[@doswelk]

I think Chromium Edge's success, is more down to being one less product Corporate IT have to support it they just use the one Windows comes with, MS Updates patch it and Windows at the same time, as opposed to having to download and patch from Firefox/Chrome.

[@CesareVesdani]

I like the cool Twiggy portrait art behind you.

[@davinp]

Apple no longer makes Safari for Windows limiting it just Mac. I don't like Apple limiting its OS and software to just its devices. They don't license to manufactures as Microsoft does

[@williamhaynes7089]

i cant see why it had .0000000001% market share on pc.. it was big

[@yit555]

Around 2006 my dad discovered Firefox and installed it on the family computer as an alternative to IE. It’s still my favorite browser and I use it often. Fun fact, Firefox was the last major browser supporting Windows XP, several years after the OS was discontinued. Pretty sure updates went until 2020 or so, can’t exactly remember.

[@Volnas97]

I wonder if Microsoft had lost the lawsuit, we would be still using Explorer, that, because of strong competition, would actually have to innovate

[@chill_fridge]

I cannot tell you how many tech support calls our department oversaw which included a sequence of dialogue resembling , "Please note that the portal only works in Internet Explorer." followed by "It's not working" followed by "Does the icon that you've clicked on have a gold ring or is it entirely blue?" followed by "Blue" followed by "That is not Internet Explorer."

[@Snorlaxiian]

I feel dumb, I never knew that Firefox, the browser I choose to use most, is actually Netscape. :O

[@allengarcia00]

I just love the quality of your videos. And your sponsors. The vibes are immaculate 😂

[@Everything.Windows]

Internet Explorer was exploring so that Microsoft Edge could "Edging", you know what I'm saying? eh, probably it's a bad joke

[@MrBelles104]

Internet Explored so that Microsoft could Edge. Microsoft got Macrohard. There you go.

[@LubosMudrak]

Your joke is childish and horrible. I like it.

[@etunimenisukunimeni1302]

Thanks for another video ❤Btw, this channel consistently has the best sponsor segments ever, they are _actually enjoyable._ Quite the feat!

[@winelectronic101]

Anddd history is repeating itself with Microsoft forcing users to use Edge and ignore other browser settings.

[@honeyholly001]

I remember the edge conversation at work. Something wouldnt work on my machine and the IT guy laughed and said why are you using edge as your browser??

[@davinp]

The orginial Edge that came with Windows 10 was not chromium based

[@joshuahernandez-th6ov]

Edge is a piece of garbage browser that no one uses. Everyone despise edge because is to bloated and crappy. Their bunch of liars. They steal our data and also forcing everyone to use it against user’s will. No wonder crappy edge market share is decreasing due to their dirty tactics. Crappy edge is digging its own grave. Just stick with google chrome.

[@randymiller3075]

Your videos make the internet and the world wide web interesting and fun! Please keep posting more PLEASE!

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

Apple has done the same thing with Safari on their iphones and ipads.

[@h_lol.]

Hello been a big time viewer been watching your videos for about 3 years

[@NoMorePedals]

Just want to say you're really nailing the Get Back Paul McCartney look

[@Prongless]

0:58 was NOT expecting the wonderwall jump scare here

[@steal_th1s_album]

babe wake up, cute computer guy uploaded

[@DoritoChipProductions]

lame joke

[@MsTwilightSpeaks]

That pie in the face was crazy work 😂

[@andythedishwasher1117]

Hardware acceleration is a bit more nuanced than what you described. Essentially, it involves building a piece of hardware in such a way that specific tasks or algorithms are inherently more efficient to run on it. Apple could do that for a browser that ran on Macs because they were building every single Mac as well as the browser that ran on it. Not possible in an OS like Windows that runs on any computer that will accept it. Pretty slick move, honestly.

[@banguseater]

Hardware acceleration just uses more of the GPU to do rasterization tasks like graphics and video formats. Like pretty much the whole entire webpage

[@andythedishwasher1117]

@banguseater Easier for a device that uses the same GPU all the time. Just saying.

[@Dalamain]

I remember in the years 2002-2005 (I might be slightly off) the browser wars was stale, IE was the king but development/features had stagnated. MS didn't care, they had won the market share. When Firefox offered Tabs and extensions it was a game changer... and IE started to see its market share decline. Here's the thing though, firefox did not isolate each tab into its own "process", meaning if one tab crashes, the whole browser crashes - it was infuriating. Chrome was released in 2009 and used the process-per-tab model which fixed this and well we know the rest. Story doesn't end there... if Google continues to block ad-blocking and other extensions we could see a huge migration of users flock to firefox (which is much better than mid 2000s).

[@MegaAstroFan18]

That sponsor was so period appropriate for a video about 90s internet I wasn't sure it WAS a sponsor.

[@MichaelDooleyProject]

Thanks for taking me back in time. Digging your content. Thanks for it! 🤘🏽

[@MegaAstroFan18]

Firefox now often seems determined to follow Internet Explorer into the grave. It's really annoying.

[@TasoKeya]

loved how you walked us through each step, so helpful!

[@SkyFly19853]

file explorer is so bloated that I had to use Netscape...

[@BabyCharmander]

Surprised you didn’t bring up how toward the end of IE’s lifespan, they tried to promote it by making an anime girl representation of the browser. It was… certainly a thing. Very cool video! Love hearing this internet history stuff. I still remember switching from IE to Firefox and getting a Mario theme for the browser, haha.

[@derrekclay7425]

Nostalgic af

[@TellyMan200]

Thanks so much for this and the deep dive into what the 90s net was

[@mchenrynick]

His ad portion is a real throw-off. Sorry, but Hostinger and NationSquid didn't exist in 1995!

[@beardsntools]

Lmao at people still not using sponsorblock xD

[@MrBelles104]

Clearly this is an alternative timeline 1995 where NationSquid went back to teach future generations how to do proper sponsorships! DUH!

[@MrBelles104]

@@beardsntools I use sponsorblock on a manual skip basis, because the times they put for segments are honestly bad most of the time like someone rushed to clip them which cuts off words of the actual video, and they have a weird attitude when it comes to skipping parodies as well. It certainly isn't the end-all-be-all solution, so I don't fault anyone for not using it, and the main issue I have can mostly come down to bad luck, but that's my experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@danielfernandezaguirre]

i usually skip ads but this guy knows how to do them entertaining

[@flarithen]

this is a reminder to everyone to use firefox 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@UserAccount-ThisOne]

preferably one of its forks(librewolf is a good example), firefox itself is far better than the main 3 browsers by a longshot, yes, but it has some very visible flaws that kinda make it not worth using if you just want a standard issue browser, if you get a fork of it most firefox forks remove all the flaws and keep what makes firefox actually good, so yes, everyone use a firefox fork.(you can use firefox too, nobody is gonna stop you, im just pointing out its forks are overall better)

[@ciach0_]

Let everyone use what they want...

[@flarithen]

@@ciach0_ LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER NOISE. use firefox.

[@flarithen]

@@ciach0_ LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER NOISE. use firefox.

[@LilacMonarch]

​@@ciach0_ you can use what you want, but if you like being able to block ads you're gonna want firefox

[@TheElusiveReality]

ur hair looks so good king

[@vedanshchn]

18: 56 Nope! It wasn't just a logo change. It didn't actually run on Chromium earlier. The newer one does.

[@sile3nce]

I'm old enough to know how it went but I still want to watch this video. Nice edit! 🎉

[@FoxWolfWorld]

NationSquid: new videos every… who tf knows. This MF might drop a new vid at 3 am and say NOTHING

[@Yolligraphone]

This was great. I just wish you'd get a better mic. Your current one adds audible compression artifacts to your voice.

[@randomdude1053]

Who remembers when Microsoft tried so hard in 2013 to rebrand Internet explorer 😭

[@thawkade]

That was 2015. It wasn't just a rebrand, Edge was basically a complete rework of the engine and quite a good browser actually. It's biggest issue was the slow updates due to being tied to Windows 10 versions and a much worse extension ecosystem . EdgeHTML wasn't perfect, but it was much faster than Trident and snappy enough for daily use, I honestly wish they open sourced it because there's not enough browser engine variety rn.

[@EnigmaticLucas]

@@thawkadeThere was an attempt to make Internet Explorer popular again around 2013