Naval Group's Blacksword Barracuda submarine

[@druid84115]

I don't think anyone should complain about his English. I understood him perfectly fine, I've had a harder time understanding someone from Scotland or Louisiana.

[@manuellangius2896]

We as Netherlands bought 4 Barracuda's adapted with Tomahawk, mk48adcap, Kongsberg NSM, mines and more secret stuff😂

[@geoffreya375]

The "unrivalled firepower" as explained is outstanding for a conventional submarine of this size (without VLS?, with 4, 6 or 8 torpedo tubes ?). It has the same number of heavyweight weapons inside the storage compartment than a Virginia or a Yasen... But in a smaller submarine.

[@allannantes8583]

Do the sailors have to sleep with the weapons?

[@Noelegamer]

@@allannantes8583no

[@dutch6390]

Naval Group !!! 💪 🇫🇷 👍 😘

[@phil_nebula676]

I wish the Philippine Navy (PN), 🇵🇭 would acquire the Black Sword submarine. But considering its price and the lacked of experience by the PN the Evolved Scorpene would suffice for now at least in building a Submarine Force! At minimium 3~4 diesel-electric submarine should be the minimum. However the current PN leadership is improving the capabilities of the surface ship which I also support. But don't think it should abandon the acquisition of subs! Nonthless hoping for loans from france to expedite the acquisition of submarines along with infrastructure for maintenance and training facilities.

[@justryan1325]

Pathetic! The submarine building and procurement industry is tired of the PN's wish full thinking... Oh wait I heard the Koreans are willing to pay the "price of participation" to your corrupt officials....

[@frosty3693]

I wonder if the PN could aquire some of the Australian Navy's Collins class subs as they replace them? But those boats are probably very tired and past their service life. The US seems to be more engaged in the area now, but it's navy does not have any conventional subs. Could the PN source Korean or Japanese subs? With either of those repair and support would be much closer. But with China's encroachment on territory more probably needs to be spent on surface ships to counter the Chinese Coast Guard assualts.

[@arnaudpollet-thiollier6054]

Magnifique!!!!

[@Nainara32]

I'm rather curious how much the difference in acquisition and maintenance cost is between the conventional and nuclear powered versions is.

[@johngrimm1103]

eh nuclear is very, very expensive, you need a huge, dedicated infrastructure to do it. Its why Australia is only getting once now, because the new US reactors are life-time of the vessel and there is no need for mid-live extension/refueling, if this was not the case, Australia will not be able to afford it.

[@arivantart7944]

05:05 did he mentioned cold water in "Jayapura" ? so, does it targeted for Indonesia market?

[@guramecahbrokoli]

"...cold waters like the polar area."

[@phil_nebula676]

Indonesia is tropical country! As for Artic environment could be for the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project (CPSP), which calls for 12 conventionally-powered attack submarines (SSK), along with the South Korean KSS-III.

[@guramecahbrokoli]

@@phil_nebula676 Indeed, he misheard. As for French boats Indonesians are already on their way to acquire Scorpene Evolved-class diesel attack boats, and not the one on the video.

[@arivantart7944]

@@phil_nebula676 im not asking is jayapura (indonesia region) is next to vladivostok. im just asking is he really mentioned "Jayapura". because sea water in specific region are have 2 temperature conditions. where the cooler temperature are several meters beneath the surface level, and it cause sound propagation of the submarine sonar. and im not asking is indonesia or philipines are in artic area

[@Cladestin3]

Polar area not Jayapura​@@arivantart7944

[@Olive_Chap]

Indian Navy should get these for Project 75-I sub program

[@blue280485]

Very nice design 👌 Indian Navy should acquire Blacksword Barracuda submarines with FC2G AIP and Li-ion Batteries instead of other options for Project 75I, Why not go for tried and tested instead of experimenting with other options 🤷‍♂️

[@justryan1325]

So they can let the Russians in and inspect it? Well the french are that gullible......

[@geoffreya375]

I belive it is better to have a large Lithium battery than a mix of a small Lithium battery plus a complex AIP, with a rare use, lot of operational limitations and maintenance. That the choice done by Japan, then France, and I saw that future batches of KSSIII may remove the AIP for extra batteries also.

[@lordtemplar9274]

👍 a great successor to the Walrus class, an underrated sub which pioneered the X shaped rudder now on most modern subs.

[@saltymonke3682]

@@lordtemplar9274 uhhh.... no, the first modern operational X-Rudder sub is type 212

[@lordtemplar9274]

@@saltymonke3682 sorry but that is completely wrong the Walrus started construction in 1979 a full 20 years before they even started building the Type 212

[@saltymonke3682]

@lordtemplar9274 oh yeah, I forgot wally has X rudder

[@lordtemplar9274]

@@saltymonke3682 FYI you also forgot Gotland class from Sweden which had X rudder before type 212 😊

[@saltymonke3682]

@lordtemplar9274 yeah, and Collins

[@dan7564]

So this is the Submarine that Australia originally commissioned before AUKUS I take. A conventionally diesel powered version of the Barracuda. I support my country's (Australia) decision to ditch it and pick up the American and UK SSN's, we need it to help have Teeth against the rising super power of China, but I also can't Fault France for feeling Betrayed. I hope they have enough export success to make up the 12 Submarines we had planned on. And also, even I can't deny that this Submarine is the sexiest sub on the planet. So slick and smooth.

[@Tortuex_]

as a Frenchman, I hope you didn't get f* in the butt by this decision and that the US (who are known to have problems with their ship / submarine building capabilities) will be able to deliver the submarines you've requested on time and in the quantity requested. even though I thought it was a bad move (due to the millions already invested and the millions paid for breaking the contract), after all, France and Australia are partners in the Indo-Pacific, and we need to both be strong to face upcoming challenges.

[@Bluee95]

Australia has a navy? Must be a small one lol

[@EJH_1138]

​@@Bluee95funnily enough, they'll have more SSNs and even a similar surface combatant force as France. Crazy.

[@TheNefastor]

​@@Bluee95be careful. Russia felt the same about the Ukrainian navy and now the Black Sea fleet is extinct, flagship and submarines included...

[@dan7564]

​@@Tortuex_ I also hope we don't get f* in the butt. the 90 billion or so we were going to be spending on the French Attack Submarine (Now called the black sword, which is a super cool name) was apprently jsut for the comission of the design, not the building process, so I don't think the AUKUS plan will end up being too much more considering the capability upgrade we will get. But yes, the big concern will be if the Americans will deliver on their side right now. A big part might be played by who becomes president tomorrow. But, even if the Americans change their mind, it'd be to keep it themselves to deter china. Which is our primary concern. Hopefully, the Collins life extension upgrade can keep the skills warm until the UK Aukus Class sub comes online. If not, maybe we can work out sending the rest of our sub mariners onto UK and US subs as on going training until it does. Which would be awkward, especially to the general Australian Public. But thanks to the Trilateral deal, we will still eventually start Building the AUKUS class subs and then we'll have a uniform sub to maintain, which might save us money in the long run. Heck, depending on how we are going with our AUKUS sub build speed, it might even work out better if we buy half life Virginias so we can replace those with more AUKUS subs by the time their life expires to keep our shipyards working until the next Gen Submarines start building. There's a lot of Variables to play out yet and it helps that it's a trilateral deal with both the UK and US to give us a bit more flexibility. But Yes Toruex, I agree that we should work together in the pacific. Although we did payout the exit fee for the French sub deal (I was really worried our government would try to weasel out of that, no matter how much the French may or may not have ripped us off. A contract is a contract) I understand why Macron say it was more than a deal, it was a partnership. I hope we can give more goodwill back to France, even if it's helping with French New Caledonia or a French base in Australia or something. I feel our (non financial) debt to France is not yet repaid.

[@corvanphoenix]

I think this is a great move, as SSN customers deserve to have the option of a proper sized, decent ranged boat. I just hope their diesel can pump out enough megawatts to keep the indiscretion time to a minimum.

[@jordibt1789]

I always thought it made sense to use gas turbines as generators as newer lithium batteries can support higher rates of charge and discharge than old Lead-Acid

[@corvanphoenix]

@jordibt1789 Yeah, if you want to burn the fuel they sure get the job done in a small package. I don't know how easy it is to weigh the pros & cons of turbine vs piston, & I've never heard an expert opinion.

[@geoffreya375]

Main issue with gas turbine is the amount of air it needs. It will lead to have a very very big snorting mast, and very very big exhaust pipe. However, it should provide a very very good performance with a very very few snorting time.

[@corvanphoenix]

@@geoffreya375 🇦🇺's Collins can fully recharge its batteries in ~1 h, it has massive diesels which produce +4 kW. That's fast for diesel electric subs.

[@geoffreya375]

@@corvanphoenix You mean 4 MW? If the battery have a capacity of 12 MWh, You need at least 3 hours to recharge it (when all the 3 Diesel Generators are available 😅).

[@kimkristensen2816]

Denmark needs 3 submarines.

[@texasranger24]

And their best strategy would be to buy German 212CD for both commonality with their neighbor and also the shallow water dive capability of German Uboats.

[@leifiseland1218]

​@@texasranger24incorrect, the best solution would be to go with a Swedish design, thereby relying on a much less treacherous partner..🧐

[@bjorn2625]

I wish. We all know they won’t buy any.

[@lordtemplar9274]

yes they do, especially a longer range sub for the Arctic with melting oolar ice caps. since DK is an Arctic player as it owns Greenland

[@leifiseland1218]

@@lordtemplar9274 The optimal solution would probably be to base it on the concept developed by SAAB KOCKUMS & DAMEN for the Dutch navy.. By working together with the Swedish navy, the skills required could developed/reaquired relatively fast.. as far as I know, SAAB KOCKUMS has 2 berths available to commence construction right away.. Such a vessel would be ideally suited to protect both the Doggerland areas, with all it's infrastructures, aswell as the GIUK gap, & still be well adapted to work in the Baltic Sea when necessary..🧐

[@gillescharvet]

Et les formation en anglais, c’est en option chez naval group ? A chaque interview c’est le meme constat

[@thibaudderieux8506]

Sur la vidéo de l'airbus A321MPA, le représentant d'Airbus n'a même pas le niveau de faire trois phrases en anglais... C'est un peu ridicule...

[@gillescharvet]

@@thibaudderieux8506 pour passe pour des gignols, ya pa mieuX !

[@tangemagetangemage7484]

C’est sans doute aussi une des raisons pour laquelle l’Australie s’est tournée vers la GB ! Ils ne devaient rien comprendre à cette bouillie anglaise!😂

[@avb4805]

Sois pas aussi dure il font des efforts 😅

[@guillaumefigarella1704]

j'adore les video de xavier, on a toujours un représentant archi nul en anglais, ça rajoute un petit je ne sais quoi au pitch marketing

[@gvelden1]

What about the dimensions? Length, beam? Displacement? In comparison with SSN?

[@saltymonke3682]

@@gvelden1 1/3 smaller than Attack class

[@gvelden1]

@saltymonke3682 In length I understand but what about the beam?

[@FireflyActual]

@@gvelden1 The Dutch subs will be 82 metres long and 8.2 m wide with a surface displacement of 3,300 tons.

[@gvelden1]

@@FireflyActual 8.2? That is less than the SSN. Wow. I think even smaller than walrus.

[@FireflyActual]

@@gvelden1 Yeah. Despite Monsieur Petit's assurances, this isn't _really_ a Barracuda as we know it. The reduced hull diameter (0.2 m narrower than the Walrus and 0.6 m less than the Suffren SSN) and much shorter length (82 m vs. 99.5 m of the Suffren) is an indication of major internal changes, the change in propulsion system notwithstanding. I think it's fair to call the SSK a related design that uses similar combat systems to the SSN, or perhaps a member of the extended Barracuda *family*.

[@frosty3693]

I wonder if this came about from the failed deal with Australia for them getting new non-nuclear submarines?

[@xnavyro]

I see they are incorporating high sail planes which the US Navy rejected after the problem with “flapping your wings” in high seas giving away your position; therefore, bow planes were used instead.

[@manuellangius2896]

Americans are not great sailors..explains a lott😂

[@YinandYangandGreen]

The Suffren class uses a pump-jet propulsor but this model of the Blacksword Barracuda shows a conventional unshrouded swept back propeller?

[@kevinvandal8595]

Pump jet is good for faster speeds. Standaard prop at low speed. For a nuclear sub does not matter much But for a diesel its a different story.

[@YinandYangandGreen]

@@kevinvandal8595 Thanks that makes sense. Oddly the version of the Barracuda that was offered to Australia was diesel powered with a pump-jet.

[@guillaumefigarella1704]

@@YinandYangandGreen it was a much larger, much longer range vessel so it was sensible, those are much smaller boat not really made for ocean patrol like the Attack would have been i believe

[@karakiri283]

Depending of the need of the customers. I think the NL one while not having a pump jet will have a shrouded propeller.

[@stoso9864]

is this submarine better than the spanish S80?

[@avb4805]

Offcourse, no comparison possible 😂

[@obud3777]

Maybe Canada will buy the Blacksword Barracuda?

[@antoinebaldur2941]

With the United States and the United Kingdom, I think it's unlikely that Canada will have the right to choose French submarines.

[@marktucker8896]

@@antoinebaldur2941 Never the USA or UK can provide a SSK solution, no reason the French would be excluded.

[@antoinebaldur2941]

@@marktucker8896 This has already happened. The last time France wanted to sell submarines to Canada. The Australian experience has shown us that nothing has changed. Don't be naive. Military contracts are, first and foremost, a geopolitical choice. This is why Naval Group is taking its time to submit a proposal. I think it wants to be sure that it has a chance to win.

[@lordtemplar9274]

@@antoinebaldur2941 and sell what in exchange? US and UK only make nuclear subs, so far Canada has only asked for conventional propulsion. of course things could change in the future but right now nuclear is not an option being considered. lastly Canadian subs are past their sell by date and need replacing ASAP., 2035 is their deadline for delivery. There is no way that Aukus sub would be ready by 2035 and US production is too slow averaging 1 Virginia a year, At this rate they can't even deliver Australia their subs by mid 2030s unless they take them from US Navy stocks. Anyway selection process for Canada has just started and contract won't be awarded until 2028, maybe they will choose a sub from Japan, Germany, Sweden or France but at this stage we know it won't be from US or UK.

[@p4olo537]

Well if Naval Group submit an offer, wich is not sure.

[@Erik-rp1hi]

Every nation must spent in % as the USA.

[@Madman79-l9e]

Probably the one Australia was originally going to buy 😂 😂

[@antoinebaldur2941]

Yes, they paid for the development, and now they're in a difficult position. It's a shame for them.

[@CardSharkOfficial]

No, Attack class was mostly a Suffren with conventional propulsion, in the same lenght class, around 99m long (might be a bit differentt by a few meters due to the different power generation, but not by a lot), whereas Blacksword is significantly smaller and lighter, around 80 meters if I remember properly. Although I imagine some of the R&D invested into Attack was leveraged for this model.

[@marktucker8896]

@@CardSharkOfficial Yes and No. You forget the Attack class had all the French systems replaced with American subsystems. So most of the R&D would not be available for use here. So simular in concept, but very different im execution.

[@ΔωδεκάνησοςΡοδοςΣύμη]

Mettez-nous des sous-titres grecs s'il vous plaît ! Parce qu'il y a un grand intérêt pour les sous-marins spécifiques, à acheter en Grèce !!!

[@AlperOzmen-js2iq]

La Turquie est votre voisin, c'est mieux d'acheter en Turquie. La Turquie a une bonne technologie !!!

[@Noelegamer]

@@AlperOzmen-js2iq mais tu vois pas la Turquie et la Grèce sont ennemi

[@avb4805]

🇨🇵😊👊👊

[@juandavidmartinezcaballero3014]

!

[@mohdfuad7301]

Royal Malaysian Navy need 2 new Submarine couple with 2 our Scorpene CM-2000 to defend Economy Exclusive Zone in South China Sea

[@geoffreyroberts5413]

Australia should order 8 of theses submarines immediately.

[@davidlefranc6240]

Nice i heard we need 12 of these in Canada !

[@saltymonke3682]

Type 216 or 212CD E is far better to suit RCN CMS and Tomahawk. Better time of delivery, too.

[@guillaumefigarella1704]

@@saltymonke3682 based on what? which competition? they lost in australia, they lost brazil they lost malaysia and india, they recently lost again in the netherlands and they will again lose in indonesia can you point to any source which state factually why anyone would prefer the german IP? the bigger more expensive scorpene has sold 14 unit with 16 planned, and i expect that number to go way up, and thats with france owning precisely none of those, on top of 11 barracuda everyone laugh at the CSU 90 sonar's poor resolution while the french brag about their -68db resolution on the barracuda, winning the us navy's hook em award and selling them Captas 4 towed array for their constellation class frigate france is better at making subs and their accompanying electronics not because the german are not good, its because we have nukes in ssbn, meaning our subs are actually important to the government and not sunday project like theyve been in germany, tkms surviving on export you know what i mean

[@saltymonke3682]

@guillaumefigarella1704 based on what they won in singapore, they won in norway and Germany, they won in Israel, italy, South Korea, Turkey. The shipyard is always on time and not overbudget. French failed in Oz due to cost overblown with 0 keel laid after $2billion spending. Naval group is also late on their oroginal Suffren class to the French navy.

[@saltymonke3682]

@guillaumefigarella1704 Germany didn't propose type 212 to indonesia. They chose Jang Bogo and regretted it. If you look at Indonesian procurement programs, it's a mess of various suppliers. They bought from anyone. If they have 2 german based sub, they will buy 2 other subs based on other countries. They signed 7 frigates, from 3 different countries. Idk why

[@saltymonke3682]

@@guillaumefigarella1704 scorpene is an old design and cheaper than type 212A because of local build requirements. the Naval group could build it in their country because it's an old design.

[@ShinoxSturmreiterDesTode]

sous marin à piles, DURACELL bien sur!

[@FLORIDIANMILLIONAIRE]

Jules Verne in heaven is happy about the design but unhappy with english

[@jazzmandan7056]

🇨🇦 (?)

[@frkalleidoscope4915]

Naval Group should hire English speakers to answer media interviews.

[@petersilva037]

Their English was fine, but I would have preferred to hear them in French... They would surely have been much more eloquent.

[@georgedimakopoulos3581]

Australia should not casnsal the 15 Barracuda Sumbarines. They would have had today 6 (2024). And by 12 in 6 years (2030). All Armed with Torpedoes, Harpoons and Cruise Missiles. Getting only 3 Nuclear Sumbarines and not 7. China will have in 6 years, 550+ War Ships (6 Aircraft Carriers, 90 Sumbarines and 35 LSD (2030). So we need to build by then and have 12 New Sumbarines, 12 Corvettes, 12 Frigates and 12 Destroyers.

[@jungbolosse3034]

Why don’t they get someone who can speak proper english ffs?

[@bjorn2625]

Yes how dare they speak a different language!! And after that, how dare they speak another one!!! I demand everyone speaks my language natively!!!

[@aussienscale]

Would not go anywhere near it !!

[@DimitrisMilionis]

Is Greece indicating the Greek Navy's interest and discussions regarding these possible two plus two French submarines?

[@ronaldquit9791]

@ naval news I buy 5 subs for Philippines navy customize please deliver asap....

[@user-ve3gh5xg9q]

Hollywo🇺🇲od a🪖rmy 😂😂😂😂

[@MonkeyD.Banana-em5hp]

Hello first 😊😊😊

[@saltymonke3682]

So basically, it's a Scorpene plus

[@ilya6jours620]

It’s more suffren minus

[@lancebond2338]

@@ilya6jours620 cancelled attack class minus

[@lordtemplar9274]

in what way? in fact it has very little to do wirh Scorpene. it's longer range, bigger size, has different propulsion, combat systems and uses Xshaped rudder vs +shaped rudder. in fact this design is based on Suffren and not the Scorpene

[@saltymonke3682]

@lordtemplar9274 this thing has no AIP and that's why I said scorpene plus, they just changed the rudder. Same propulsion with basic scorpene, it's using basic propeller, not the pump jet. Longer range just because of an upgraded battery and fuel tank than basic scorpene. Probably with anti magnetic steel but who knows. The other plus is the new CIC layout. I don't know if they will add VLS or not for the Dutch Tomahawk requirement.

[@saltymonke3682]

@@ilya6jours620 hahaha.... yeah