Lockheed Martin at Euronaval 2024: SPY-7 radar and River-class Destroyer

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@BravoCheesecake Ай бұрын

Crazy how every other country can decide on a frigate yet here we are without a single Constellation built. Unbelievable.

@sparky4405 Ай бұрын

With Canada its a necessity because were operating dog water coastal patrol ships.

@ronmaximilian6953 Ай бұрын

We decided on the Constellation class. The problem is that instead of just replacing the combat management system, sensors, and weapon systems of the FREMM and entering production, we've been redesigning it while it's been under construction. The US Navy never learns. And frankly, we started with a ship that didn't have enough VLS. We should have gone with the Navantia f-100 to get a ship that had 48 VLS.

@BravoCheesecake Ай бұрын

@@ronmaximilian6953 I'm not really worried about VLS. I'm more concerned with our lack of motivation and effort to actually build fucking anything. It's very frustrating given the fact that China is pumping out 54A's every 10-12 months. Sure we build Burkes at 2/year but it's still not acceptable. Maybe the new admin will get things moving.

@dalel3608 Ай бұрын

@@sparky4405 Different project there bud, the Coastal Patrol Vessels are the old Kingston-class being replaced by the Harry DeWolf-class (5 built, 4 in service so far); the Canadian Surface Combatant, now known as the River-class replaces the Halifax-class which was built between 1987 & 1996, equivalent to the Oliver Hazard Perry-class which the USN just recently (last decommissioned 2017) retired without replacement ready.

@tatonoot1950 Ай бұрын

at this point, the US may as well contract hyundai, hanwha and samsung of south korea. they already built sejong the great cruisers/destroyers, so why not

@danlegris387 Ай бұрын

Regarding the River Class Ships, we were told by our Min of Defense that they began construction on them back in the summer, the Lockheed rep said they are still being designed and won't start construction until most likely next year. It doesn't look to me that the model in the video is designed for AEGIS, it's pretty obvious the difference between the models on both sides which clearly are AEGIS ships. The last update on the cost estimates for the design and acquisition of all 15 ships was 2 years ago and that was over $80billion CA, of course that was with the ship being equipped with CMS330 the same system used on our Halifax frigates, most likely we are looking at $100billion or more and we still haven't even cut 1 piece of steel yet.We won't see our first ship until 2035 at least. The fact sheet still says 24 mk41 vls cells plus 6 for sea ceptors, does anyone else think this is incredibly under armed for an 8000 ton ship? As a Cdn taxpayer I wish the Vaseline Co would get on board and sponsor this project so getting screwed over by these people doesn't hurt as much

@RelativeGalaxy7 Ай бұрын

Irving Shipyard in Halifax started work on the first prototype modules for the River class in late June, these modules are built to test the process of construction prior to the actual initiation of construction and bring the shipyard up to snuff. Full rate production (aka proper production) will start sometime in 2025, there is no lie said by either party. The model in the video has AEGIS but is also very outdated, being many years old. The actual layout of the ship has changed significantly in the meantime. CMS-330 is being used in an upgraded model called CTI (Canadian Tactical Interface) alongside AEGIS for the River class vessels. Sea Ceptor has been dropped for a pair of 21 cell RAM launchers, one per side.

@johnnytyler5685 Ай бұрын

You aren't getting screwed by Lockheed, you are getting screwed by your incompetent government. The Canadian government/Navy are the ones who set the armament requirements for these new ships, not Lockheed or any other defense contractor. And yes, this thing is unbelievably lightly armed for a destroyer. It's lightly armed for a frigate. IDK where you are getting "24 Mk41 cells" from, but the model shown in this video has 32 VLS cells. You can see them right in front of the bridge. Each Mk41 pod has 8 launch tubes in it. Four pods equals 32 total launch tubes. This is the same number of VLS cells going on our embarrassing Constellation-class frigates, which have already become a total debacle here in the US. 32 VLS cells is considered too few after the US Navy's recent escapades in the Red Sea, and with the proliferation of ASBMs. The Constellations are currently under construction, and parts of the first ship have already been built DESPITE the fact that the freaking DESIGN of the ship isn't even finished yet! FMM, who is building the Constellations, said months ago that adding another 16 VLS cells for a total of 48 (which is, IMO, the bare minimum that any new warship should have) would require a total redesign of the ship.

@kimkristensen2816 Ай бұрын

Under armed both in terms of VLS but also NSM if only 8. Should be more like double that

@paulbestwick2426 Ай бұрын

I believe that SeaCeptor has been cut from the revised spec.

@ronmaximilian6953 Ай бұрын

Yes, it's a joke. They should make the ship a little bit longer and have a 64 MK-41 VLS (4x16) and then take out 4x2 for countermeasures. That would still leave 56 VLS in the front. Even the Australians have 32 Mark 41 VLS tubes in a frigate.

@charlesthomas1533 Ай бұрын

As a retired Navy man, we should use that River class destroyer design, redesign it a little bit and replace ALL of our Littoral combat ships with that

@alexdunphy3716 Ай бұрын

It's as heavy as the earlier Burkes.

@dannyyin9663 Ай бұрын

I agree. This seems to be as good or better than the Constellation class frigates and, with the Canadian design already equipped with Aegis combat system, could fit right into the USN with minimal modification.

@BullGator-kd6ge Ай бұрын

The LCS is fine enough right now for what it is. They’re doing the low tier missions and joint exercises that free up the Burke destroyers for the more important assignments.

@juanmontull8550 Ай бұрын

Fun fact that AEGIS system works better in Spanish ships than in other vessels including the US ones due to its location on the top of the mast.👌

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@phil_nebula676 27 күн бұрын

Regardless of what the Canadian calls the River-classs destroyer or frigate (I personally called them FFGH). They are probably the best version of the Type 26 Global Combat Ship with 30 VLS cells (24 Mk. 41 VLS +6 EXLS), which is equivalent to the previous Iroquois-class DDG with 29 cells VLS for SM-2A. Not bad IMO though could have been better with 32 or 48 VLS cells forward and 6 EXLS for a total of 38 or 54.

@admiralmallard7500 26 күн бұрын

Exls have been traded out for RAM turrets

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@lukeallison3713 Ай бұрын

Will be interesting to see if the river class MK41 count goes up now that sea ceptor isnt being used (port and starboard ram launchers). Probably needs more firepower than the other GCS as the lead canadian surfacd combatant

@JonMartinYXD Ай бұрын

Just 24 cells. Flight I Arleigh Burkes, which were only slightly bigger (4% higher displacement) had 96 (90 for missiles, 6 for the at-sea reloading crane which was later abandoned).

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@thomassullivan5911 29 күн бұрын

Frigates would be a better choice.

@mysterioanonymous3206 Ай бұрын

The last time I was this early she told me that happens a lot 😂

@WalterBurton Ай бұрын

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@BuddyMcNugget Ай бұрын

Just because we are calling them destroyers, doesnt make it so. They dont have enough weapons on them. Im sure they will be ok for their intended purpose but more VLS would have been nice.

@JonMartinYXD Ай бұрын

There is no formal definition for what a frigate or destroyer is. They have varied by country and over time. Destroyers started out as small, nimble ships with the mission of taking out torpedo boats (torpedo boat _destroyers_ ). Torpedo boats evolved into submarines and destroyers evolved into submarine hunters. Then as aircraft became a threat, it made sense to stick AA on the destroyers since they were already positioned as pickets for the capital ships. Advances in missile technology and the retirement of all but one of the capital ship types have put destroyers into a weird grey zone. When operating as battle group escorts they are super beefy versions of the destroyers of old, but when operating on their own they are doing the job that cruisers did in WW2. Frigates are even more tortured as they go back even further, to the age of sail.

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@of777-h3e Ай бұрын

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@tylerdurden4006 Ай бұрын

Cgi and models...powerful...🤷

@主水-p5b Ай бұрын

Lockheed Martin's monopoly on CMS is a concern for the future.

@boredatsea Ай бұрын

There are other CMS used by the US allies, the RN has their own, Australians are using a combination of their SAAB 9LVS with AEGIS integrated as well that is if you want to use the SM3/6.

@主水-p5b Ай бұрын

@@boredatsea Lockheed Martin has a monopoly on the top destroyer class, while the frigate class tends to be each country's own CMS, and Lockheed Martin also has a monopoly on the fighter aircraft field.

@JPmaxlevel Ай бұрын

😂😂😂 for the americans maybe@@主水-p5b

@BRAHMOSPOWER Ай бұрын

India has built similar GaN based NAVAL AESA RADAR called LRMFR(AAAU) with 6 meter Antenna arrays for Indian Navy's upcoming "PROJECT 18" NEXT GENERATION BALLISTIC MISSILE DEFENCE DESTROYERS.

@LEH-fl8ws Ай бұрын

Shame that the Visakhapatnam-class destroyers carry an equal amount of surface-to-air missiles as the Type 23 frigate. Their offensive firepower is neat, though Brahmos isn't quite a hypersonic weapon, but with drone swarms being a major threat for modern warships, such anaemic defensive armament is worrying.

@BRAHMOSPOWER Ай бұрын

@LEH-fl8ws Just to let you know...... On both KOLKATA CLASS and VISHAKHAPATNAM CLASS DESTROYERS there's Empty Reserved space on Ship's Deck and Aft to accommodate atleast 32 VLS CELLS for future weapon integration. Indian Navy planning indigenous made weapons for future upgrades such as...... #VL-SRSAM - 80KM ( Surface to Air Missile ) #M2 MISSILE (ERADS/XR-SAM) - 250KM (Surface to Air Anti-ballistic missile) #BRAHMOS ER-800KM / BRAHMOS 2 HYPERSONIC - 1000+ KM.

@TheGreatMarathaArmy Ай бұрын

@@LEH-fl8ws LIST OF ARMAMENTS OF VISHAKHAPATNAM CLASS DESTROYED.......( AGAINST DRONE SWARMS ) 1) 4 UNITS × AK630M CIWS ( 20000 ROUNDS PER MINUTE/ 5KM RANGE) 2) 4 UNITS × 12.7MM GUNS AS REMOTE CONTROLLED WEAPON STATION. This system can stabilize and lay the NSVT 12.7 mm/ PKT 7.62mm machine gun. It has optical sensors, including a day camera, thermal imager, and laser range finder. The operator can control the gun and sight from an operating console and joystick. 3) 76MM OTO MELARA NAVAL GUN. Super Rapid Naval Gun with capacity to fire 120 Rounds per minute, and Has standard Range 16KM upto 40KM with special Rounds. 4) SHAKTI ELECTRONIC WARFARE SYSTEM. specifically Designed to destroy Swarm Drones and Anti ship missiles using it's ESM/ECM/ RADAR FINGER PRINTING SYSTEM. There's Reserved space for 32 VLS onboard...... which can be used to equip, 32 UNITS × BARAK 8 / M2 MISSILE RANGE - 100KM TO 250KM 64 UNITS × VL-SRSAM RANGE - 80KM

@Bellthorian Ай бұрын

Lockheed Martin has a LONG history of over promising, under delivering and over charging!!!!

@rd2s686 Ай бұрын

the american navy did not want the spy 7 for the constellation, but the three-faced version, because it does not want to spend more than 500 million per ship, however it chose the fremm which is currently the quietest ship in the world to escort groups of ships that go back and forth between the theater of war and the homeland, and neither of the two ships in the video is capable of sinking silent submarines, the fremm yes, especially the french version which was able to discover and follow all the russian submarines in the atlantic and mediterranean, then if the american navy wanted the best it would have bought the fremm evo and installed the spy 7 or the ppa evo version, which is currently the ship that reaches 34 knots on trials, a result achieved with just one turbine

@BFrase Ай бұрын

Ha no one wants the Cyclones, gee I wonder why...?

@JonMartinYXD Ай бұрын

Should have just bought more AW101s. I think our navy got bamboozled when they found out the S-92 was also going to be used as the basis for the new Marine One. Anything that transports the US president has to be great, right? The VH-92's first flight as Marine One was in August. It took seven years to go from first flight to being allowed to carry the president.

@marccouasnon6973 Ай бұрын

It is abnormal that Europeans, who have expertise in this field, continue to buy American, especially after Trump's announcements. Because he's right to say that Europe needs to stand on its own two feet!

@Terrathrax Ай бұрын

What expertise? Europe is too woke now to build anything.

@marccouasnon6973 Ай бұрын

@@Terrathrax MdR, there... you've killed me. The only advantage the U.S. has over Europe is its colossal budget. As for everything else, Europe is ahead of the game in some areas, or on a par with Europe. The whole art of war is based on deception, and deception doesn't cost much. You have to feign weakness so that the enemy loses himself in arrogance! And you're the perfect arrogant prototype!