Naval Group MPLS Modular CIWS at Euronaval 2024

[@Tortuex_]

magnifique !! c'est vraiment ce qu'il fallait, petites munitions pour des plus petites menaces plutôt que d'utiliser des aster 15/30. ça va se vendre comme des petits pains ! bravo ! 👏🏼

[@squirepraggerstope3591]

Je suis désolé, monsieur, que vous sembliez mal comprendre en partie le but des installations du CIWS. Ils ne remplacent pas toujours simplement les systèmes antiaériens et antimissiles à plus longue portée plus sophistiqués, tels que les PAAMS. Au lieu de cela, ils offrent une couche supplémentaire de défense

[@renaudstevenin9173]

c'était le minimum ! il faut garnir nos navires . Merci😀 A+

[@edouardmontfort7816]

The legend says that the greek navy has already ordered 6 of these for each of their FDI frigate.

[@guih3438]

And France will get one per frigate in 20 years… as usual programs are delayed and not enough weapons on board. We need to pay for our super expensive social welfare system and everything else is secondary…

[@bo2web]

In number the 1st public organisation in the world is the Chinese army. Second is the french administration.

[@dutch6390]

Naval Group !!! 💪 🇫🇷 👍

[@endi5739]

Voilà une excellente solution pour la défense des gros navires face à des drones, roquettes ou missiles.

[@RoroBar-k8e]

... ça sera toujours plus cher qu'un canon automatique de petit calibre et à tirs rapides.

[@tonyhawk94]

A systématiquement installer sur Fremm, FDI, future corvette avec le RapidFire !

[@V-2BN]

Very clever design. Can the MPLS be reloaded at sea by the crew members?

[@NavalNews]

Yes it can, for some of the lighter weapons

[@V-2BN]

@@NavalNews Okay nice. Thank you!

[@sulivanboris784]

Où en est le développement de la munition airbust du RapidFire ? Le cout au but semble bien plus faible via quelques salves de 40mm.

[@NavalNews]

Le contrat de production de la munition "A3B" devrait etre attribué en 2025.

[@sulivanboris784]

@@NavalNews Merci ! Et encore merci pour votre chaine youtube. Elle est d'intérêt publique.

[@endi5739]

@sulivanboris784 Je pense que les deux systèmes sont intéressants.

[@etorepugatti9196]

@@endi5739 Oui, voir complémentaires et la présence d'un canon sur une unité fait toujours son effets

[@Ddogs83]

Le 76mm fait ça tres bien déjà

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

a 30 mm cannon can do all that and more for a fraction of the cost

[@frosty3693]

I wonder what size ship can be fitted with the system? I assume that will also be depentant on the electronic suite needed to support the unit. And that would also determin what weapons that can be deployed.

[@billblack3965]

NAVAL GROUP the best

[@bo2web]

December 2024 UAP/drones/UAS/... seen all over the world especially in US and UK. Directed-energy weapon (DEW) seems to be the best air to air response.

[@Centauri902]

Any reason why you dont fit more missiles in each pod? Looks like you have more room in each module.

[@KiingOfKombat]

weight

[@CardSharkOfficial]

​@@KiingOfKombat really not sure that's a limiting factor. Mistral 3 is less than 20 kilos according to a quick internet search, and is packed by 4 (2x2 grid, below 80 kilos total), whereas Aculeus LG rocket is packed by 22 and weighs 8.8 kilos ( if that's the laser guided rocket depicted here). Weight-wise, you could have nine Mistral in a given pod in a 3x3 grid for that weight, and it seems like it could fit in terms of geometry as well. And with less than 200 kilos by pod for the rounds, that would make less than 800 kilos for them in all four pods, and leave almost as much for their structure, as the total available payload is 1.5ton. Assuming, of course, you're comfortable packing Mistral missiles that densely. I know nothing of security requirements.

[@mill2712]

If I were to guess, they're all different missiles for different roles. Most commanders like to have a variety of different munitions for different scenarios which may happen. Bur this thing is meant to be modular. Perhaps you could do just that if the mission requires such action.

[@gamingrex2930]

I assume Electronics and Ergonomics. It would suck being an E1 ammunitioneer having to jam a spiky 20kg missile while in sea state 3 and being given a 5 cm room of error lest your hand gets crushed.

[@watermirror]

I think we have a winner

[@notahaofficial9615]

4 Module : 2 Module * 16 Short Range Missile (upto 12 km), 2 Module * 4 Medium Range Missile (upto 65 km)

[@lawrence6838]

Cet accent français ! 😂 Système astucieux mais il le faudrait sur tout les navires de surface à partir de 2025. Prochaine étape est un drone naval ravitailleur (80-100m) en carburant et munitions qui accompagnera les bâtiments de 1er rang.

[@jeanvaljean9293]

So it’s a MIWS!

[@umu8934]

Interesting ciws

[@druid84115]

This is a very interesting system, I assume the rockets are laser guided?

[@NavalNews]

Both guided and unguided rockets by Thales. Check this out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXrRo5x5q795rpo

[@robertopiedimonte2078]

Laser guided rockets are the cheapest and ready available ones on the market, but limit the engagement at one by one (laser guidance illuminator channel is just one in the tilting head) as already possible with Leonardo 76mm Superapido gun onboard french vessels, both not ideal if the attacking swarm have real big numbers, that's why the addition of 2 small point station, possibly 4 or more depending on the size of the ship too, armed for example by Typhoon 30mm gun loaded with 200 mixed rounds of already available API, impact HE and airburst HE, firing a burst of 3 each kind in total 9 munition add a last ditch defense for around a mix of 20 UAV/USV per station. The big problem is none of this weapons could defend a group of ships (convoy) as done for ASW/AAW threats surrounding it with four Destroyers from 10/15 nautical mile without using the main armament, Aster and Exocet in case of Marine Nationale, having all these systems at best a range of 5 nm which imply the addition of extra 4 Frigates to defend the group (convoy). Considering some countries have troubles to collect 4 Destroyers alltogether the addition of 4 Frigates for just one (1) convoy could require using all the available fleet of the country or expose it at shame!!! People forget 90% of the world trade are done by sea and if the sea control is lost the day after they'll lost their jobs...

[@bulthaosen1169]

​​@@robertopiedimonte2078why would you need 4 frigates to defend a convoy? Ships are not going to be far apart in a convoy. I don't see much use of this system when guns can do the job of taking out drones. And reserve missiles for missile defense. This is even more true in a swarm scenerios as all your rockets or missiles get depleted. Guns carry much more ammo.

[@robertopiedimonte2078]

@@bulthaosen1169 ships are like cars on highway and need a lot of room to maneuver. Close positioning is about 2 nm from each other, thus in a 10 nm side box you can fit 25 ships and escorting Destroyers must stay on the outside but not more then 10/15 nm from the center in order to be able to defend the whole convoy from air threats or detect submarines in their 90° sector of responsability, but to guarantee an extra layer against the deadliest convoy enemy, you'll need 5 Destroyers in order to have a minimum of ten (5x2) anti-submarine helicopters to fly the 20/25 missions per day usually request by the convoy protection. Inside a box 20 nm large you can fit a maximum of a hundred ships. You need the extra 4 Frigates to try to cover the drone gap in between Destroyers cause 76mm Superapido and rockets have a range of 5 nm, but 30mm guns are limited to 2 nm range, so with such a large convoy not all the drone gaps are covered even with 8/9 escort ships. In the end drones force you on smaller convoys then ones optimized against legacy targets as missiles and submarines, wasting resources and if drones overwhelm one of the Destroyers forcing it to use air-defense missiles or directly disabling it will open a door to the core of convoy! P.s.: just some numbers, modern container or oil ships are 300/400 meters long and need three lengths to slow down or six/seven to stop, so about 1 Km to slow and 2 Km to stop! It's up over one nm thus why the two nm distance in convoy

[@watchthe1369]

mount this on the bridge house of a large container ship with a radar integrated on it and you have merchantman self defense.

[@Alsayid]

In that simulation they fired a lot of rockets at one drone swarm. Is potentially running out of rockets quickly still a major concern?

[@jeanvaljean9293]

The idea is to create a ‘rain of iron’ on the swarm of drone. The bigger the swarm the bigger the rain is needed. But you should have other systems to complete the ship’s defense, lasers, rapidfire, electromagnetic attack (ew), decoys… If one is down or out of ammo, the other should take over. The us navy is currently planing the manufacturing of defense and or attack drones on ship to cover the needs as they come. No doubt the mn is planning the same, that’s way ng is insisting on the flexibility of the system and the diversity of weapons.

[@jeanrenaissance309]

Magnifique technologie Française, il ne manque plus que les finances 🤔

[@stgoldshaka]

Mdr quand Yonec Fihey prononce "Xavier" à la française dans un interview en anglais.

[@WikiWijaya-ul3cm]

🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩💪👍

[@WikiWijaya-ul3cm]

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[@Nunu-cd1le]

Expensive solution to combat cheap drone attack

[@michaelau6976]

Is it reloadable on sea?

[@talscorner3696]

I would assume so, as long as the ship it is mounted to has the cells in its hold (which she should anyway)

[@bulthaosen1169]

The question is cam it auto reload. Not just manual reload.

[@talscorner3696]

@@bulthaosen1169 that is a good question, though I'd expect the answer, at least for this specific model, to be no

[@edouardmontfort7816]

They say in the video it is reloaded at sea. You guys don't even listen and comment !

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

Can't see the point vs a 35-40mm gun CIWS.

[@avb4805]

A quand une une tourelle de 40mm combiné a des paniers modulable missiles mistral/roquettes pour lutter a la fois contre les menaces air air et surface.

[@bulthaosen1169]

Can't you just use the cannons and normal CIWS for drones? Doesn't make sense to use missiles to intercept them.

[@avb4805]

@bulthaosen1169 not only drone, but aircrafts, cruise missiles, pirate boat, etc... more firepower is always better, and a 40mm canon is not enough sometimes.

[@jeanvaljean9293]

Rapidfire c’est déjà le cas pour les navires logistiques de nouvelle gen. Pour l’anti surface l’akeron comme le mistral ont déjà été testés, l’anl refait parler de plus egalement

[@bulthaosen1169]

​@@avb4805that's why you have the 76mm or similar systems.

[@avb4805]

@bulthaosen1169 the 76mm is good firepower but to slow, good for one pirate boat or two but you have 5,6 or 10 boat or drone or combined drone, boat and cruise missile at the same time you need a faster system.

[@theworthy9411]

Blackhead missiles

[@Naylamp21]

This is a great system !!! ...Good for naval group, but 2027 is too much. Chinese navy will get it by 2025. 😪

[@pitmarkovic4545]

😂🎉 you never know nothing and People like that fucking Waponery but didn't think of Political complete false complete Europe and didn't see which People bring Us on that Point and that People again have Power.Why soo much to Stu...to ask the right Question that Political losers over decades and now put Money 2024 and never learn nothing and second class give Applause and follow 😂🎉

[@edouardmontfort7816]

Everybody thinks big about China but it's not combat proven stuff. We've seen the wonderful Russian weapons in Ukraine...

[@dadsnotcharlies7686]

Me thinks people think China is more advanced but in reality this isn't the case. Recently seen a picture of a close up of a j20 and you can see the rivets and bolts of the supposedly 5th gen plane those rivets etc will light those j20s up like a Christmas tree. Plus alot of there export armour is sub par so me thinks they are another ruSSia all bark no teeth as ruSSia is stalled in Ukraine burning through people and hardware for incremental gains 😮😂😂

[@bokgabokvlogs7730]

What do you expect ships are not easy build modern warships 1-3 years to build thats why you made order early

[@FélixGARCIA79400]

2027 ? 😟

[@s3p4kner]

Imagine trying to reload these cannister c-ram style systems on the deck of a ship underway at sea in rough weather while it's trying hard to evade incoming enemy drone/missiles. The west has had automatic reload since the 80's with rail mounted SeaDart and equivalent systems, why has the technology gone backwards? VLS reload is done in port creating a crisis in fleet replenishment and why the Houthis have been so effective at blockading the Red Sea. Reloading systems at sea must be a priority in an era of shrinking budgets and reduced fleet numbers.

[@jeanvaljean9293]

Because the reloading system is heavy, complex, expensive and take volume that could be used elsewhere. Reloading was dropped during the 90’s now that the need is back solutions are being designed.

[@bulthaosen1169]

Because you lose deck space and internal space for vls reload.

[@qtdcanada]

Do you know how much space was taken up for the Sea Dart reload system? For the same-range performance the Mk-13 single-arm SM1 launcher with below-deck magazine was a better more space-efficient design.

[@HennyWho_7]

We need cost effective anti missle systems that can handle cheap drone and Houthi missile threats effectively….thats not at 500k per shot

[@HennyWho_7]

I was thinking an ionic photonic plasma with an infused noble metal (from a Mexican mine thats $10 to dig) funneling an electric current….could also work for wireless energy transfering

[@hmm5784]

I think you have underestimated the generosity of the Huns in beijing in this animation. If it is a big capital ship that they are trying to sink, they could easily sent a thousand drones. I am afraid your definition of saturation attack is outdated.

[@jacksonteller1337]

A knock-off version of the RAM from Germany. The only difference with the Chinese is that these actually will be in working order soon.

[@jeanvaljean9293]

Nop ram as dedicated missile the rim 116 and no modularity, france had comparable system with the sadral of age, just different form factor. Or even the crotal or mica vl.

[@CardSharkOfficial]

RAM is not German, Hans.

[@jacksonteller1337]

@CardSharkOfficial get a clue German design with US subcomponents. I am not German and learn flag recognition. Look up Diehl Defence.

[@jacksonteller1337]

@@CardSharkOfficial build by Diehl Defence. And learn flag recognition. We just ordered several for old and new frigates. What is your qualification?

[@CardSharkOfficial]

​@@jacksonteller1337 Dude, when you make pasta a la carbonara, you still call it an Italian dish, right? Building under license from Raytheon/General Dynamics hardly makes it a German system. There is little bragging rights in the local building of a foreign developped system. Saying that RAM is "from Germany" is a spectacular exageration of reality, especially when 99% of the value and quality of the system is in its R&D, and the local assemby as very little point besides economics. But you do you, I guess you're free to be proud about whatever you achieve. What is YOUR qualification?

[@nickgardener5802]

10 years too late. More cost effective for a laser with current drones and UAVs.

[@edouardmontfort7816]

Most cost effective is a laser - for which the development program costs 1000 billions. Yes friend, sure. 🤡

[@nickgardener5802]

@@edouardmontfort7816 Already being trialed by UK. Might want to look it up and educate yourself. DragonFire.

[@edouardmontfort7816]

@@nickgardener5802 It's also in trial in the french navy. Google is your friend to educate yourself. Before you play the expert on KZbin.

[@foxmulder3268]

le FDI francesi e le FDI greche hanno 2 modelli di ciws, 1 è MPLS ed il Cannone 76/62 leonardo, i l quale si è particolarmente distinto nel mar rosso distruggendo la maggior parte dei droni

[@JPmaxlevel]

omg his "american" style english learn 35 years ago 😂😂😂😂

[@DwiAdinda-ue7yc]

Hebat' di petani kurma ..sampah ditanah Rusia 😂😂😂