NAVI Ardiis Explains Why He Has a Hate Toward Talon Esports

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[@Miziru]

wanna see curry and ardiis in the same call, the apac glazer and the apac hater

[@Feltsick]

Nah, he doesn't hate apac. He knows GENG won masters.

[@KingJaiden16]

Same guy that lost to GX and KOI

[@plenarix]

hes not wrong

[@herogaming6906]

Also to bilibili.. twice

[@urbad411]

Hes literally right. TLN are going to champs just to go 0-2 and get sent home

[@AhmadSaifudin116]

@@urbad411 i mean people kinda said the same thing about bilibili last year

[@tarilatus8315]

ahahahahah lol

[@Flame970]

“ SOME RANDOM INDIANS IVE NEVER HEARD OF “ IM CRYING

[@MadeForD]

real tears or nah?

[@Amaterasu213]

The bili bili gaming still haunts ardis I don’t have a problem with his yapping after all he is a funny guy

[@xingxasa7194]

Ardiis streaming == Free content

[@zeusreigns4640]

Bro is really butthurt that he did not qualify lol

[@redballoon2380]

I feel like other people from better regions like americas and emea also feel this way but they don't say anything about it

[@Monkeypant9]

Acting like he would do better my guy couldn’t even make champs 😂

[@megumi971]

They made playoff through luck

[@moshiadnfusionfallfa]

He's a Masters winner. Sit down.

[@misterme1134]

Yay is also a masters winner​@@moshiadnfusionfallfa

[@tonyhart2744]

@@moshiadnfusionfallfa Acend literally won champs and the team is not even in tier 2, what is your point

[@gabrielcardoso5975]

@@tonyhart2744 blud we talking players not orgs 🤡

[@lightsoutxx]

I mean fair enough. but if Navi is competing in APAC they for sure beat teams like dfm, zeta, and bleed, but they never gonna beat prx geng Drx. which makes them a mid team that always go into playoff but never qualifies for major

[@ktagi6911]

they can definitely beat those teams lol. id even argue theyre better than drx and prx. only team objectively better is gen g

[@danishluqman2832]

@@ktagi6911 navi went 1-5 in 2nd stage bro

[@Turne4]

​@@ktagi6911delusional. Navi peformance on stage 2 looks like piece of shit. Maybe you're not watching and stop barking, stupid.

[@abnishdhiman951]

​@@ktagi6911ardiis alt account

[@adamvasquez7178]

​@@ktagi6911they're not better than drx and prx

[@VicariousxD]

Bro is coping. Only Americas has no fixed "dominant" teams and it changes every year, probably because of their roster mania. They didn't let EG, loud or optic roster to stick together. Fnatic dominates EU consistently (better and achieving good positions if not winning) is the same reason as to why PRX have been so consistent in Pacific. This doesn't mean other teams are bad or the players are bad. Geng serves as a classic example, most of their players last year were not that great, even their sub coach was the head coach of DFM which had 0 wins. Valorant still leaves a lot of randomness on the table.

[@mandy11254]

What even was "last year" Geng? They all basically started 2024 as a team and somehow are the most consistent team in the world.

[@germytv]

@@mandy11254 yeah he means all the players from geng came from like dfm, GE and other teams that didnt do too well, but they are the team to beat this year

[@joshmeister31_88]

@@germytv none came from DFM, only assistant coach HSK

[@juandavidmondragon7573]

the reason why the players in geng work together with the staff despite not comming from winning rosters or being renowned world talent is because they managed to play to their players strengths, also they where really underrated or had underperforming teammates (t3xture and lakia are great examples) the players work well together, the only surprise is that geng as an org was cappable of see through their mid carreers

[@confusedguy996]

If you watched texture on GE last year you wouldn't have been surprised how good he is this year, bro was on the sentinel roles fragging out together with monyet. Lakia was also proven to be pretty good way back but wasn't given many opportunities. Tbh the only real surprise of this roster was munchkin, who I thought wouldn't see himself back in a top team after T1's performance in champs (or one of the masters, idk) but he's definitely proven himself at this point

[@hushu1414]

The hypocrisy from him criticizing talon on making champs when he and all of navi had their thumbs up their ass all year is crazy

[@WaqarGite-vs3dz]

Check his stats guys and u will see what u get by shit talking other player rather than focusing on ur own performance

[@RayReyRei]

Hush now, you dont want the glazers to come after your throat 😂😂😂

[@Tenelocan]

Yeah but you gotta consider the lobbies. emea and americas is a much more competitive and higher level of players/teams compared to apac region is his argument, which is a fair argument. All top teams rn are americas and emea with only prx and genG good from apac. It’s like getting 20kills in a diamond lobby is not the same as 20kills in a radiant lobby.

[@imalex6268]

ardiis talking a lot for someone who ain't even there, atleast they are there

[@patatedouceyaim1407]

they are there because their region sucks XD

[@joebaiden4436]

Shanghai winner What region was it that won the master ​@@patatedouceyaim1407

[@cchubbypanda]

I'm not surprise why there are so many Toxic players in this game. Even the pro player can say something like this. If you cannot say something good, better keep all the words in your mind. RESPECT other people is the minimum human being. Every teams played their best and have got qualified as the rules. You can just say you play it well without say bad to others. Actually I like his play but after watching this.... Nahhhh

[@SURACUBEBOIII]

If this was after the match between lev he wouldn’t be saying this the game was lost but it showed how powerful talon could be with no mistakes

[@AshutoshGanotra]

Bro offended 1.4 Billion people in 3 minutes 😄

[@sleefy2343]

Well as a Chinese I do think we can’t beat fanatic with bili bili so he’s right but we will try our best to put up atleast a great fight 👍 but he also had no right to say this after getting 4-0 by bili bili.

[@Hope-uv8od]

True and he dragged us Indian's in this too. Bro lost to gx and koi so he doesn't have a right to yapp and hate on other team's. Every team is working hard to achieve Their goal and he Just can't accept the fact that navi is not good enough

[@dannyman5751]

this guy is an absolute PR nightmare...

[@Clyne69]

Wow actually rude take. Ardis usually just trolls but he’s rude af here. Bro Vitality and Fut made it, Navi has no excuse lmao. If bro came to play in Pacific it’s gonna be a repeat of Yay

[@Zeref8891]

He ain't wrong though. Pacific is top heavy. So is china. EMEA was top heavy last year but is super competitive now. America's as usual is always competitive with any of the 6-7 teams capable of beating each other

[@500tfive8]

Why are you guys using fut and vitality as example they are good teams?

[@WaqarGite-vs3dz]

Bro even closely EMEA is also top heavy fnc , th, fut are the only teams with master class performances that dominated the top this year kc madrid qualification was a fluke, bbl started good and then became shit , no need to discuss about liquid, navi, m8 and koi

[@adamvasquez7178]

​@@Zeref8891wrong emea have been dominated by fnc except in shanghai

[@germytv]

fut was #1 seed going 8-2 same as TH in their season tf u talking abt them like they a bad team. And then vitality looked good in playoffs too, beating TH twice despite TH being one of the best teams in the world at the moment.

[@nonsense0000]

Navi lost to GX and Koi the bottom of EMEA There is no excuse here💀

[@Heart_Gata_Virus]

Looks like bro forgot bili bili vs nrg 💀💀

[@atomicbaby-w4e]

The random Indians catching stray lmao

[@veluved]

THIS DUDE IS TOO FUNNY TO NOT WATCH PARTY BRO

[@S3aw0lf]

bro forgot wut happened last time when he shit talked BiliBili

[@izee8530]

Mark my words we will get a talon and Blg grand finals

[@b3nz___]

we getting the 100% title from in game pick ems with this one

[@sata700]

I have my trust on frost, Talon will lose to lev then go through lower to win against both trace and vitality to enter playoffs then bottom out. Also Talon is centuries better than stage 2 Navi what are you talking about ardiis, you had a non terrible road to get into playoffs double elim but youve thrown it away.

[@locomonteiro5492]

everyone hating on ardiis.... Talon and BLG both went 0-4 at champs, now what you crybabies?

[@unrealisticshine782]

i have a gut feeling this take will age particularly poorly like what happened last year

[@adiboysitorus6961]

nice JINXXXX

[@Xaex-90]

Bro is the master yapper actually. Navi would get obliterated in Pacific

[@Miziru]

true now i wanna see him get signed by an apac team somehow and get owned by bottom of the barrels' team but i really doubt ardiis gets signed again in a franchise team, either t2 or streamer route now

[@hellothere8381]

yeah no, only prx drx and geng everyone else cannot compete

[@uresfffff222]

apac is just geng lmao

[@Xaex-90]

​@@hellothere8381RRQ,TS are pretty good too

[@michealhockofficial2215]

cope

[@lhent5928]

We want more Ardis Content

[@dito6117]

this guy is too funny

[@juandavidmondragon7573]

ardiis is just mad he didn´t had the easy route, if talon somehow win vitality (an almost impossible thing) then it would be no doubt ardiis is just yapping

[@vodmaxn]

Bruh whats this guy on above like thats literally how no name players get better by going to international events and getting their ass beat by a top team you can't just who their ass everyone starts off as a who 🤷‍♂️

[@megumi971]

Ardiis thinking that emea is good lol. Only 2 teams r good in emea

[@uresfffff222]

4 teams fnatic , hereitics , fut and vitality

[@juandavidmondragon7573]

@@uresfffff222 fut and vitality are decent, we still have to wait for the champs matches to see if they´re cappable of more

[@darkse1dd]

@@uresfffff222 Fut are the most overrated team in the all of Valorant. Even in Shanghai casters were like they are unofficial EMEA #1, when TH and Fnatic are clearly miles ahead of them.Vitality haven't proven anything so far.

[@AhmadSaifudin116]

@@darkse1dd bro fut beat fnatic in shanghai wtf are u yapping about

[@felixjordan9845]

I don't care whatever the fuck keith is saying, bro always funny to hear😂

[@aomsin5455]

will see

[@wrekt2192]

he aint wrong. In terms of league competitiveness its Americas EMEA Pacific China.

[@BenedictPenguin]

The dynamic of pacific teams, glad the new format will shave off the number of tier 1 team next year

[@drexalte69]

Bro said Americas when they legit have one good team and one decent team who can be absolutely dog or absolutely insane depending on the day. Please watch more of other regions before giving such braindead takes.

[@ktagi6911]

​@@drexalte69americas in masters madrid: 2 teams in top 4, in masters shanghai: 2 teams in top 4. idk where this "americas is bad" narrative is coming from ngl. last LAN was the 1st LAN in 3 years where an amer team did not make the finals lol

[@dondeham]

​@@ktagi6911amer didnt make finals at copenhagen

[@ThatsAmore123]

@@drexalte69 Americas is the most consistent region tho

[@bootao1671]

Navi is shit bro, they lost to KOI bro

[@sillylittlebird3]

apac mad

[@bootao1671]

@@sillylittlebird3 apac better bro, geng owned emea bro

[@chiragkottary6445]

still he lost to bili bili ahhaahhaahhaha

[@peaklings2637]

talon is not that bad LOL

[@bigdanial9029]

Talon beats navi any day of the week

[@juandavidmondragon7573]

actually this can maybe be true

[@vitthalkudav4213]

Yeah EMEA is most competitive but it's obvious the top 4 teams are way better than the rest, Pacific has 3 good teams whereas Americas has two good teams and China has Fpx ig.

[@iammclovin2483]

APAC has one good team

[@vitthalkudav4213]

@@iammclovin2483 yeah keep coping

[@dondeham]

idk man pacific has 5 pretty decent team not including talon, ts and rrq still would go 50 50 if they were up againts fut and vit

[@uresfffff222]

@@vitthalkudav4213 he's speaking facts lol, im na glazer but emea is the strongest when it comes to all 4 teams kinda like how americas was last year , apac is just geng and friends we all know prx ain't winning shit they can't even beat 100t and g2

[@corvetteguy2223]

@@dondeham No wayyy, maybe secret, but talon and rrq don't have a shot against fut/vit.

[@NotSandy021]

Crying as if he didn't lost to worse teams

[@hemant2859]

This is what happens when you suck at a game, you start complaining

[@yourstruly2232]

They had to beat TS who were beating GEN G and PRX. TLN beat a Team that beat GENG. NONE of your EMEA teams were able to beat GENG just so you know xD

[@lamawlamaw]

TLN is just TS kryptonite. Anyone who watched that series knows that TS played dog shit and not the same level when they played GENG/PRX. Adding to that is the fact they had a ranked demon to carry them but the games are still somewhat close.

[@thattracksuitrob4168]

Isnt this the guy who lost to blg twice

[@zkcofficial9018]

To be fair talon would beat navi

[@butcherdesuyoi]

TLN is just lucky to be there by pulling a primmie subscription plan. Riot needs to update their rule about subbing in players at certain times.

[@herogaming6906]

Nah its alr, what they can even do if only 4 players are up?

[@manymustfall]

@@herogaming6906 LMAO it's obvious you don't follow/watch pacific which is fine. But it's clear you don't know what you're talking about. Talon has 6 players; They didn't drop surf. And just to be clear, I don't mind Talon subbing in Primmie. It was a gamble for them as well, but there is no doubt that it gave them advantage over TS. TS couldn't win pistol rounds to save their lives and it cost them their ticket to champs.

[@owen7214]

Talon gambles by picking Primmie then they win ,Team secret gamble by picking Abyss and they lose .thats all it matter. sry for my eng.

[@butcherdesuyoi]

@@owen7214 ngl I do agree TS did terrible picking on the map. But for Talon to pull in a ranked demon right at the start of playoffs on a single elim match even though there's no real issue or problem for them to sub in a player. So it's a dirty pull for them to secure a match.

[@nixondelacruz2095]

TS threw in map pick, but primmie is definitely a game changer. TS is still a better team for me. They could've fight better against drx and prx

[@stuart616]

Wait till he knows about the whole China region

[@misty-eyed4066]

This is why Esports have a lot to improve before becoming REAL SPORTS. At the very least some banters are fine but this kind of disrespect proves that you are all just kids playing a game. Don't call me "Vanilla guy" just because you have not grown up yet. I have never seen anything like this in other sports because respect is common manners in all sports. Yeah sure every sport has at least one guy in their circle but it never becomes the majority unlike Esport.

[@Shinchanhahahaha]

They qualified for champs in valorant thats it, what you did? Chublorant???

[@YungSover]

Ngl just make the first and second seed of every region auto lock into champs and then take seed 3 - 6 of every region and make them compete for a spot. This way every region can still go to champs while making sure we dont have Billie Billie in champs

[@remaain]

literally

[@deardoue69]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO THE HATE IS INSANE(I SUPPORT YOU FULLY)

[@uresfffff222]

facts but then no chinese team would qualify

[@YungSover]

@@uresfffff222 the first and second seed go to champs automatically, while teams like talon and billie billie that will just get 2 - 0ed twice will get replaced by KC or 100T or an actually good team

[@misterme1134]

But if a team is so shit they can't qualify in their region then why should they represent their region?

[@xanzoxnz]

ardiis after choking

[@lamawlamaw]

He's so funny lol. Tho i agree with him in some part, the regional tournament format in this year is absolute dog shit

[@QuotedRut]

Ardiis too funny

[@nahIdwin-ml3ik]

Lightningfast clears ardiss bro

[@uresfffff222]

who the fuck is that random ?

[@adamvasquez7178]

True

[@Geimoonsoon]

no joke hes actually seems alright. I hope he stays in the scene

[@juandavidmondragon7573]

@@uresfffff222 the guy that clears ardiss LMAO

[@nahIdwin-ml3ik]

@@Geimoonsoon jus needs to get out of GE to activate the buff like t3xture and monye

[@SniffersCreepers]

TLN literally robbed TS they just used Primmie as a free carry otw to champs how can a team that went 0-13 multiple times even be on a major event lmao

[@NtroVal]

hes not wrong all china teams are worse than other teams from other regions and apac will always be a 3 team region at most with only 1 being able to win

[@shavafpv8890]

Bro is trying hard to boost his streaming career

[@misterme1134]

They wouldnt have lost to Blg, Koi or GX

[@sterben1957]

Bro is hard coping but saying facts like GE, DFM, Bleed are so shit that it's embarrassing to say they play tier 1 Valorant. Also, add Mibr to that list.

[@aniketpadhi5157]

i dont think ardiis should talk after losing to GX 2-0

[@ExpectoBalenciaga]

because you have this mindset, that why you dont qualify Champ

[@uresfffff222]

random indians 💀💀

[@Sugarist0]

The fact that going into playoffs there was still a chance that both masters winners didn’t make champs is crazy to me

[@lumi2519]

yeah system is bullshit, winning a master should minimum secure you as 4th seed in your region in champs

[@ao1-kun843]

W ARDIIS

[@happybear3110]

bro talk like emea is better

[@itzzhate]

Random indians 💀only one indian in the team lmfao

[@oldman7408]

ZETA IS THE GOAT 🐐🐐🐐(ignore the stats)

[@adamvasquez7178]

If Navi gets to champs they will get shit on

[@Kurt-mk7kc]

Bro bro bro bro 😂😂

[@conanimation]

Tje guy who lost to billi billi

[@Punchsavee]

he just barking

[@flintxavier7787]

im apac but i agree with ardiss, sad year for apac only got 3 slots this year

[@MadeForD]

they got 4 slots wdym? PRX GENG DRX Talon

[@flintxavier7787]

@@MadeForD its just 3 if u look carefully

[@MadeForD]

@@flintxavier7787 oh mb. i meant, jokes aside technically they got 4 slots

[@flintxavier7787]

@@MadeForD that 1 slot will get eliminated on day 1 but i hope im wrong

[@MadeForD]

@@flintxavier7787 it's double elim. so technically no one will get eliminated on day 1, unless they're doing lower bracket matches immediately which is unlikely

[@Guttz01]

Talon just never won against top teams in apac 😂 never won against korean and prx they just got lucky and a free win in champions

[@TheLastQuazar]

At least better than Team Secret. When it matters, they disappeared and nonexistent 💀💀💀

[@Guttz01]

@@TheLastQuazar yes thats why talon is a free win in champs 😂

[@lamawlamaw]

​@@TheLastQuazarTS just cant qualify smh. But when they are internationals, they play hard and pull crazy games lol

[@sebastianchristian6655]

apac 4-6 will smack emea 4-6

[@boi1613]

haha ardiis isn't better himself

[@dondeham]

ardiis was kinda right tho, talon is not that good ngl, sure they won againts ts and rrq but they looked more promising than talon, talon qual because ts thrown off by primmie and rrq just had to face gen g

[@adamvasquez7178]

Talon would beat NAVi any day of the week

[@jazzermill4463]

Exactly. Talon purposedly throw their game against GE to avoid GenG in the Knockout Round while TS beat Geng to avoid them in the knockout rounds lmao. Talon is not doghsht they're mid.

[@somnusrain1809]

😂

[@obviouslymikey9389]

Bro is speaking factsssss, CN and APAC don’t deserve 4 slots at champs. CN is basically a tier 2-3 region and APAC doesn’t have enough actually competitive teams to even matter, like the competitive teams they do have are extremely good, then the rest of the teams are trash. Hell, pretty sure even MIBR could beat most CN and APAC teams

[@Carlos-ye6pd]

Emea 2nd worst region next to china

[@justhinesala5697]

I agree w aardis ngl

[@Dhurumia10]

They should do a League Of Legends Playins style system instead of the 4th Placed teams. That'd allow the best teams to play. Ignoring comparisons between Talon and Navi, we can all agree Americas and EMEA is simply better than the other two regions in terms of competition. So, the playins allow exposure internationally but also allow the best teams to play.

[@nonsense0000]

Funny how u mention vct should be more like LOL The game where NA & EMEA are absolute dogshit in LOL especially NA💀

[@Dhurumia10]

​@@nonsense0000Yeah the quality of play is reversed in LoL(Although NA is so much worse there compared to what APAC is in Valorant). But the format favours the better teams worldwide to a certain extent.

[@sh1nenkai258]

if we are being honest realistically americas should have 5-6 spots emea should have 5 spots pacific sohuld have 3-4 and china should have 1-2 spots it is clear the average level of americas and emea is higher then both pacific and pacfic and the rest are leagues above china problem with pacific is their great teams in prx and geng are world beaters, potential number 1 high ceiling, but the teams below have no chance, idc if drx beat prx in playoffs split 2, prx were clearly trying new maps and comps, they qualified way before playoffs even begun and in their vlog they even said its time to test new shit out to see if it works

[@Miziru]

kappaclaus

[@kanariyuu]

it's just a matter of time before apac n china will get more competitive too

[@yamaNGap]

Have you ever watched a Pacific League match? DRX is still tier 1 team in the world, DRX can still beat GENG on stage 1. Teams like RRQ can even beat DRX and are able to frustrate GEN.G on several maps. Even GENG IGL said that RRQ was the only team that was annoying for them to play. This means that the league in the Pacific are just as dynamic as other regions, not just PRX & GENG. actually the most boring league to watch is the EMEA league because there is nothing interesting apart from FNATIC & Heratics. You can even see from the viewership that EMEA is the lowest region. Of course in every league they have team that sucks like FURIA, MIBR, GENTLE MATES, KOI. but why does he only pay attention to BLEED & DFM?

[@wdmitsme]

The problem is it doesn't matter if americas and EMEA have better quality play, at the end of the day VCT CN & Pacific have a stronger fanbase & selling power, and ppl will call it unfair if they don't all get the same seats to champs. Especially because of money, they will never give CN less seats than other regions. That's why CN is it's own region and has so many teams plus their grand finals is treated like championships.

[@sh1nenkai258]

@@yamaNGap geng has always lost to their regional matchup, but on the international stage they do very well, thats the difference, look at t1, they did jackshit at shanghai, the fact you are saying rrq can be a threat says enough, and i did say drx was pre good, so idk why u are arguing about drx, i jsut dont think they have the experience to do well on the international stage the fact u are talking about emea boring to watch shows u shouldnt be talking, it may be boring to u, but the teams in emea would beat the teams worse then drx in pacfic, vitality especially with sayf in form will destroy talon, rrq etc,

[@EpilepticLobster]

Sadly he's right, talon is dogshit

[@Diavolo1of1]

oh no, the sskrossy meat riders are gonna come for ardiis lmao

[@mamamoblue9837]

talon esports are crybabies, crying cause they have been called talo esports lmaooo they wouldnt survive in NA twitter banter