Thanks for watching everyone. You can watch the full episode with MrBallen here kzbin.info/www/bejne/npu0q6inoq2Bd7ssi=PrubSyB5CrHl-utr Additionally if you want to support the Shawn Ryan Show you can join the community. www.patreon.com/VigilanceElite
@Sean-i4r9 ай бұрын
Ty for the short.I could not finish the full episode, as I care about, in theater, more than childhood, etc
@T20-c8f9 ай бұрын
Shawn, any chance you will ever sit down with Eric Deming? I heard him on the antihero podcast and green beret chronicles this weekend. Holy cow! I mean it’s going to be very controversial to host him but I respect how much you shine light on truth in your channel. His accounts all substantiate what an old 18th mountain division guy told me a few years ago on our way to the range. I had never heard what he said before so I was skeptical but after hearing Deming’s thoughts on things it sounds like it was all true and the seals have a ton of cleaning up to do through revealing the truth and speaking fact to corruption. They mentioned you on the anti hero podcast.
@ofcv12385 ай бұрын
What a shame Bribden Inc. Administration DemDolt Dysfunction humiliated the U.S. globally by embarrassing & abortion of Afganistán withdrawal.
@bigpicklerick9 ай бұрын
Im glad Shawn gave Mr B an interview he has a story worth sharing.
@JEEPDadXJ9 ай бұрын
Being grievously shot and clinging to life is so horribly nightmarish. I had to do self care until I got into formal medical treatment, fully conscious the whole time trying not to bleed out. I remember screaming at God that I wasn't ready to die, not yet. I hung on and he let me live but I had to fight to stay alive, not knowing if each breath would be my last. To put it in perspective, I survived being shot in the head, gruesome injury but I lived, HOOAH!
@BRExteriorPro9 ай бұрын
Damn what happened
@haveaday18129 ай бұрын
I’ll take things that never happened for 20 Alex.
@BRExteriorPro9 ай бұрын
@@haveaday1812 bullshit! You obviously have never played call of duty so quit commenting 😆
@ino74409 ай бұрын
@@haveaday1812oh how the try hards come out of the bushes wherever they can. Public comment history AND attention hungry, all while being disrespectful to a vet.. shit morals while carrying this facade that's easy to see through, means karmas beating ur ass good. Embarrassing
@PuffySmols529 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this story, I feel for you but genuinely want to say, that is the most bad ass shit I've ever heard. So cool
@smoochesTina8 ай бұрын
I found Mr. Ballen’s KZbin channel due to being a paranormal junkie. I was beautifully surprised to later learn of his service and the fact he was a Navy Seal. I adore this young man. Thank you for having him on so this old lady could learn even more about this extraordinary man. Thank you for your service John.
@dtcdtc83283 ай бұрын
Somehow i stumbled onto his channel early on, it was fun and he seemed level headed and then came coofid and he towed the Gooberment line telling people to get the poisonous jab, I undubbed and never watched him since.
@VergonaSucia9 ай бұрын
This is one of those totally campfire or fireplace winter story time stories. 2 completely chill demeanor seals. Both very talented at getting events articulated with enthusiasm.
@tocsa120ls9 ай бұрын
The crossover we didn't know we needed.
@M4A1_DELTA69 ай бұрын
@@Ray_Korenhes an amazing story teller each word he uses so effortlessly and passionatly about the topic , he could tell a story about how he cuts his grass for random example and id be 100 % invested word for word like how a little kid is imvested during a story , but whats cool is id probably start cutting mu grass like he would mr ballen is jusr an amazing person so much love and respect from canada
@OlinKreutzRulesАй бұрын
The one @3:48? Lmao
@jollypirate239 ай бұрын
I am a former USAF Combat Search and Rescue Flight Engineer who used the call sign Pedro in Afghanistan - I don't personally know the crew who casevac'd you out, but I can tell you they were not leaving without you. The PJ's truly are the best at what they do, but if we get shot down no one gets saved. It's great to hear you made it home, and the boys (and girls) are continuing the rich legacy of Air Force Combat Search and Rescue.
@zachsmith90249 ай бұрын
Hey Pedro, you pulled some of my guys out south of fob Pasab, thanks to you guys they all got to come home to their families alive. RC south 2011-2012
@Leopard_81199 ай бұрын
Meaning, you pull away if the risk is too big. It is OK, everyone knows that is the deal
@DavidWBIII9 ай бұрын
AMEN AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL. FROM ONE VETERAN TO ANOTHER!
@jonathancole61249 ай бұрын
All of SOF appreciate the ANGELs of the sky. PJs. These things we do that others may live.
@chrisburke6249 ай бұрын
I deployed out of KAF ib 2006 & 2010, and you guys - affectionately referred to as Pedros by everybody - set the bar extremely high and represented your profession and command extremely well Thank You for what you guys did & do 🇨🇦🇺🇸
@carlwinslow59059 ай бұрын
Mr. Ballen is a great speaker and story teller. Never knew he was a SEAL. This is a great clip. The person he talked about that was so concussed he couldn't speak, I wrote a biography for my friends grandfather about a decade ago. In our interviews, he told me during the infamous "battle of the bulge," he was in a foxhole and an artillery shell exploded next to him and basically the same thing happened to him. Can't imagine that feeling. In Ballen's story, it's just a small grenade, and it still did that.
@rolisreefranch9 ай бұрын
Finally, Shawn has a SEAL on his show telling us the unembellished truth about an engagement.
@scotttaylor93399 ай бұрын
Exactly my thoughts, just hate to say it.
@rosssch9 ай бұрын
@@scotttaylor9339 I'm a civilian, but just watching all of these interviews... I thought the same.
@Turd_Furgeson9 ай бұрын
@meta45354 They all walk on water compared to you dude. Go walk in their shoes
@willishuntley906227 күн бұрын
It’s cause MrBallen’s identity isn’t all about him being a Navy Seal
@davefabian29429 ай бұрын
No average civilian can ever imagine what these young men went through, god bless and thank you 🇺🇸
@davefabian29429 ай бұрын
@@Chris-tn9zx true, was thinking of Americans who have not had war in there backyard in a very long time
@fuundfara9 ай бұрын
Well, the average American can stop falling for more pointless propaganda and believing that one of these wars is protecting the US. And instead be more knowledgeable about how the international political economy works. All wars are for money, the young men and women don’t have to go there to fight for the military industrial complex and come back in pieces physically and mentally.
@NonBathingApe69699 ай бұрын
True ❤ He wanted to be a woman and became a woman in the Navy Seals at that. After his first time here on this show, he had me in tears about his transformation to a transvestite then back to a man again and all the hate and racism he received in the military and just bounced back. He is the true future of the USA. I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free. And all people, LGBTQA+ especially will finally stand up and fight for you 🌈🍆 #BLM #DEI #TRANSPOWER #UNITE #RIDINGWITHBIDEN
@bethanyharrington17479 ай бұрын
@@NonBathingApe6969really???? Nick it off
@Baghuul9 ай бұрын
I thank the gov to send these men to absolutely useless wars.
@Shjankee9 ай бұрын
It’s kinda wild seeing how big he is now. I remember seeing some of his first uploads and not wondering if I’d like the dude the way he talked to the camera. Long story short he started to play in the background while I did things 😂
@PennelopeWhitmore9 ай бұрын
Hes a story teller that just happened to be a Navy Seal. I think Mr. Ballen is a good guy no matter what anybody thinks.
@filmsta5sixtoosie8 ай бұрын
Or is he a navy seal who just happened to be a story teller?!? That is the question
@Thekoryosmenstribepodcast9 ай бұрын
Thanks for your service Mr. Ballen. Me and my kids love your channels. Nothing but respect for you and your family sir😎💪🏻
@GUNNER67akaKelt9 ай бұрын
That effect is called *tachypsychia,* where in times of extreme stress, such as a combat situation or car accident, your brain goes into a brief super perception mode, almost like a video camera going going into high-speed mode where many, many more frames-per-second are being captured than normal. Everything you see seems to be happening much slower, with much more detail and sounds may seem distorted.
@bildo99ifyАй бұрын
@Kelt I came to say this, also. I have 3 vivid episodes of tachypsycia in my history. One from a gnarly CQB, one from a rescue, and one from crashing my Harley on the highway. It's hard for me to describe, but looking back at those episodes since then, instead of seeing the incident play out like a "video" in my head, I see the episode as a series of still shots, or "pics". And in the rescue episode, the audio in my head is severely distorted. I hope all is well. 🤙🏽
@GUNNER67akaKeltАй бұрын
@@bildo99ify Memories can often be just snapshots of a situation. Especially as time passes. I wouldn't be surprised that if you really tried to concentrate on those moments, you'd remember more. Memories can be weird though. Happy Holidays to you!
@brandonherwehe82479 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@ShawnRyanClips9 ай бұрын
You're welcome Brandon. Thanks for supporting the show!!
@tchrist1419 ай бұрын
One of the best story tellers ever!
@nate67959 ай бұрын
Love Mr. Ballen. Found him when he was just starting KZbin and got hooked on his stories.
@ross64rob8 ай бұрын
Finding his channel back then was badass honestly, seems like A great guy.
@nate67958 ай бұрын
@@ross64rob it was a gold mine when I found him because shortly after, he started doing videos every single day. I would fall asleep to the sound of his sweet sweet voice lmao.
@lancerosejr99709 ай бұрын
I have watched mrballen for years now. His ability to tell a story is remarkable. Was unaware of this story/part of his service history. I for one, am grateful mrballen is still with us. Thankyou for sharing this story with us Shawn. Incredible stories from both of you. I think it is very important work you two do. Absolute highest respect for both of you, and all service men and women current and relieved. My Aunt is a retired col U.S. army. My Great uncle Irwin Lord was a marine, recieved every ww2 medal there is in existsnce except 1 ,with the "v" device and died at 19 yrs old 2 weeks before the war ended. Both are my heroes. Had I the ability to do so, I would trade my life without a second thought so that Irwin could have his, and I never met him or knew him, but KNOW his life was more impactful and important. I love you all.
@spencersuganuma6393Ай бұрын
You could be a great storyteller to if your leave of key details or make changes in the story
@stephencouch48309 ай бұрын
I watch MrBallen all the time. He is a great story teller and I have always known he was a SEAL but now I have a much bigger level of respect for him. Thanks for all you have done B. Allen
@jak8349 ай бұрын
Strange dark and mysterious legend right here. Me and my wife throw you on when we are too tired to look for something. “ hey babe , you wanna watch ballin”. Then we get into the intro music and all. Keep it up good man. Thank you for your service
@Baghuul9 ай бұрын
*My wife and I
@mrflawless11659 ай бұрын
I have been waiting for this interview since I've found this channel nearly a year ago. This channel and Mrballen are in my top 10 channels for sure.
@bamahammer9495 ай бұрын
Mr Ballen is my Hero i watched his Strange, Dark and Mysterious series for year's before i knew he served, thank you for all you did for this country!
@moshkteer9 ай бұрын
the interview we've all wanted on the best channel
@paulstevenson7899 ай бұрын
Clearly to be a Navy Seal you have to be Smart and Tough!!
@rippinglipfishing9 ай бұрын
I had joined the navy on a SEAL contract. During prep I was injured and medically discharged part of me is so torn on not being able to go all of the way. But the other part of me thanks god I didn’t have to go through this
@biggtuna35319 ай бұрын
I’m a huge fan of Mr Ballen! I can’t wait to listen to this episode!
@Crazysuckaz3 ай бұрын
When he said his recollection is not what happened it makes me curious as to what happened, just to see the difference between memory and events
@unclechaw18949 ай бұрын
He’s such a good storyteller. It’s easy to picture what he’s talking about.
@cymric04816 ай бұрын
He has a channel where he does the same with actually hood scary stories
@barrygrant29079 ай бұрын
My military experience was aircraft maintenance during Viet Nam. I cannot imagine what these guys experienced when fighting their way through these foreign towns. My utmost respect to each and every one of them.
@bigdogtmak16249 ай бұрын
I love this interview
@gurtaijgill21679 ай бұрын
Listening from Montreal Canada amazing channel
@Luke_Mitchell9 ай бұрын
Love the show Shawn!
@johnbones25939 ай бұрын
Two GREAT AMERICANS!!!! GOD BLESS both of youse! And THANK YOU! For your Service!!!
@lungonelias18369 ай бұрын
two of my favourite channels..glad to see both in the same room sharing 🔥🤙👏👏👏👍
@BadBlue329 ай бұрын
Really great story! I have to believe that when Shawn invites these guys on that it’s also very therapeutic for them to share their experiences with someone like Shawn who’s been there and gets it. God Bless our Military for their sacrifice and heroism.
@martincastro410214 күн бұрын
You sir are a BADASS. Thank you for everything!
@butterfliesarefreetofly69648 ай бұрын
Mr Ballen is my favorite story teller. I have so much respect for MrBallen!! His story telling is phenomenal ! Being a Navy Seal is such a powerful job that only so many get through & Im very thankful to MrBallen & all Navy Seals💜⚓️💜
@douglasernst94779 ай бұрын
Mr. Ballen! I never tire of your stories. You are very good at storytelling. This story, to me, is the most compelling! And I am still bewildered that we still have to send young men and women to defend freedom for all. Will humans ever live in peaceful harmony? Thank you both Mr Ballen and Sean for such an engrossing story.
@milspecmachine9 ай бұрын
Thank you both for your service and for giving us this cloak of freedom that my family and I share to this day ! God bless you Both and your families,may you live long and prosper.🇺🇸
@davidjacobs327516 күн бұрын
Mr B always is a great story teller. We finally get to hear his story!!
@GokuVegeta-hj1tb7 ай бұрын
Mr. Ballen hardcore fan don't miss one episode so this is finally the story I never get to hear unless this chanel existed thank you all for your service.
@gutspraygore3 ай бұрын
Ballen: Let me tell you this horrifying story about a monster. Also Ballen: Oh yeah, I survived an equally horrifying story. And yes, we were fighting monsters.
@calenholt50456 ай бұрын
I love how Shawn Ryan hates green tip and the general public everyone thinks its a A grade military round LMAO
@trteeerryfse-wy2ww9 ай бұрын
Mr.ballen is good storyteller. I wonder if thats something he practices. Not many people can hold and command attention these days
@chemistryofquestionablequa62529 ай бұрын
I mean, he kinda does it for a living.
@crazybastrd74899 ай бұрын
Seriously?
@lawrencestrabala61469 ай бұрын
It’s either in you or can become that. I did the latter.
@anthonyandrus56629 ай бұрын
Ya he has a KZbin channel on urban myths and legends and spooky stories. Very good story teller.
@KyleKalevra9 ай бұрын
Any and every skill needs study, practice, and devotion. It is said that if you practice any skill for 20 minutes a day, for one year, you will be better than 99% of the people on the planet at that skill. If you don’t, you won’t.
@Kghost03119 ай бұрын
Navy corpsman always have your back, best men in the whole us military
@chrisalessio2529 ай бұрын
Glad I stumbled on to your channel. Really great stuff man. It’s good for people to know the price a few have paid for us all. Keep up the good work Shawn.
@shmokers55879 ай бұрын
YEEEEES!!!!! I have been waiting for this!!!❤❤❤❤
@bigbilly19819 ай бұрын
Mr Ballen is a proper geezer, top lad.
@ItzMzJulez2U9 ай бұрын
Wow. Wasn’t expecting to see you guys together! Awesome. 🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸
@benlyons7752Ай бұрын
Thank you Mr B.
@shelley25539 ай бұрын
Listened to this twice...how the mind, body can go through so much trauma and pretty much recoup, function is wild..so much respect for those who've endured war at any level..❤
@americanfirst43789 ай бұрын
I am so glad you had Mr ballen!
@dontbetoomad268418 күн бұрын
Shawn Ryan is so awesome 👏🏽🙏🏽😊😊
@willbrinkАй бұрын
Mr Ballen has a fun YT channel and seems like a good guy.
@hilanddoug9 ай бұрын
What Mr. Ballen refers to at 6:30 is what martial arts combatants call 'the combat mind'. Miyamoto Musashi wrote about it in The Book of Five Rings. The Fifth Ring is The Void, or after much interpretation, The Empty Mind, or Combat Mind.
@koont6669 ай бұрын
I never knew Mr B was a soldier 🪖 wow makes his stories even better now ❤🇬🇧
@eddiemclean70119 ай бұрын
He was a Navy Seal.
@koont6669 ай бұрын
@@eddiemclean7011 yeah wow I was surprised 👍🇬🇧
@redjacc75819 ай бұрын
Thank you for your service.
@caseyrichardson107918 күн бұрын
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙏 Thank you for your service men! Amazing!🥹😳
@grovepeate33167 ай бұрын
Great story teller, as a kid who grew up on L.I.in the late 50's early 60's had the same up bringing.Eight of my buddies all joined the Army Airborne during Vietnam.Some didnt come home .One was misding in action for 28 yrs.MAGSOG killed in Laos with a month to go.Touching story of SSgt Robert Preiss.I see the resemblence in him as my friend, but Bobby was the tpughest kid around for three towns.
@lyndagavit6964Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your service!!! Thank the Lord you are ok.
@steeziix84358 ай бұрын
I love that me vallen has a few episodes, I have been subscribed to him for years and his story telling is immaculate
@BMWQC9 ай бұрын
Excellent interview guys!!!
@TheDemonGamerOfFleetStreet9 ай бұрын
Yo Mr Ballan big respect for your service man your a good man. He's one of your own is Mr Ballan he's a straight talker.
@MrMcGuy9 ай бұрын
I've never been in combat. However I have experienced the human brain hyper-processing that Mr. Ballen is talking about. It is so surreal that you think about it for months later. The human brain is capable of so much throughput that it is absolutely insane. You can have dozens of thoughts, and a complete line of thinking can form for the situation and then you can exercise multiple options for what your action will be and then choose one within a fraction of a second, literally. It happens so fast it's like hyper-reality, like something from The Matrix. As far as I know you cannot control it, but when that moment happens to you even once it is life changing.
@cosmichef759 ай бұрын
Whoah two of my favorites together.
@tonantemsreign55069 ай бұрын
Awesome love both of these dudes. Always cool to see collaboration!
@10thAveFreezeOut9 ай бұрын
Love Mr Ballen. His channel is a staple for me.
@danielmackormack85249 күн бұрын
I experienced something similar where time slowed down and I had no emotions. I was on my motorcycle and a car blocked the intersection right in front of me. I remember thinking to myself "This is going to hurt" I didn't feel pain at the time but it was clear I was messed up after impact
@ericruth1339 ай бұрын
MrBallen is a fantastic storyteller.
@deadlyshotta28933 ай бұрын
Thank you for your service sir. Legit. You’re words hold weight. Top 5 people I want to have a beer with. 🇺🇸
@Justin_Saves9 ай бұрын
Awesome interview! Thank you to you and your team for all the hard work. Mr. Ballen you're a friggin Jedi! 🤘😝🤙
@TheMidLifeCrisis8176 ай бұрын
Best podcast paired with the best storyteller! Not to mention, both men are total badasses.
@bobkin6119 ай бұрын
Finally!! Been watching him for a while.
@stephenrofe85399 ай бұрын
Loving the show as always Shawn 💪
@jamesnewsom58995 ай бұрын
First of all, I love his content. I can totally relate to the experience of time slowing down and becoming very lucid facing a near death experience. I was in a helicopter crash in the mountains in Utah in 1975. As we were careening towards the ground, I remember times slowing down and becoming super aware and thinking oh now I am going to die. I will get to see what’s on the other side. there was no time for fear or anything like it. It was just a very lucid experience of time, slowing down and having a chance to contemplate what’s coming. And this was all within a matter of probably five seconds.
@Andrew_we1r2 ай бұрын
Completely understand what he means when he said his brain slowed everything down in near death incident, I was in a car accident and everything happened so fast but I can visualize every second of it and recall everything that happened to a T
@colchesterkid9 күн бұрын
Ive seen a movie about a man who become the smartest person literally controlled everything because he was in a constant state of this but like times 200,000 because its a movie. Its a real thing. The brain is amazing
@imsa154639 ай бұрын
Few people as articulate, and descriptive as Mrballen. I love his channel. Great story teller.
@phihelix87779 ай бұрын
He is a good man. Not really sure why his own team hates him. Success, found his calling in life, broke some illusionary code that for some its okay to break it and for others not so much?
@johnhood17799 ай бұрын
Seems like the nicest and most well-adjusted Seal. The ones that hate him are the psychos and arseholes
@nocapbussin9 ай бұрын
Post 9/11 SEALs have a big problem with narcissism and so many of them would literally sell their kids for a little spotlight and pats on the back. The real stories about a lot of guys from Chris Kyle, O'Neil, to Marcus Latrell and even Jocko Willink are starting to come out. Thats the problem with the US's military hero worship complex because is that it enables really shitty people to exploit this ridiculous culture we live in and use it for their benefit. What I like about Allen is that he isn't shoving his military career down people's throats like the others. He has a niche that he does and that's what he focuses on and does really well with it.
@spencerkleiman50359 ай бұрын
Egos, plain and simple. Youll learn in life there are a 2 types of people: those who try to compete with the best and bring themselves UP to their level, and those who try to bring anyone above them DOWN to their level. They are jealous, entitled, probably feel like he gives them a "bad rap" because hes soft spoken and eloquent, and they want everyone to think every seal looks like rambo. ego ego ego
@jessebrownell60849 ай бұрын
Because what happens on a seal team stays on a seal team....bur he tells stories and they shunned him for it
@mattgauvin78429 ай бұрын
It’s only a handful of seals who are salty about him. He’s not spilling any secrets or talking out of line. Some team guys have a problem with using your trident/SEAL status in a attempt to further themselves. I think that’s just BS. MrBallen doesn’t even reveal in his videos he’s a navy seal . I watched his channel for a year before I found out. He earned the right to share his own personal stories if he chooses lol much love
@relaxxdfittactical9 ай бұрын
He’s a great storyteller, love his show.
@Frankthetank-zr5mc2 ай бұрын
Combat Air Controllers and Pararescue are the unsung heroes of SpecOps. SEALS, Delta and the rest always respect these people that most don’t even know exist.
@Kevface9 ай бұрын
Mr. Ballen really is good at bringing the story to life, they way he tells it you actully feel like your there. He is popular for a good reason.
@raljix15669 ай бұрын
The grenade moment is an interesting point - In critically high and tense moments our perception of time changes - Our senses become hyper aware, we're able to process incoming information at a faster rate, this gives the perception of time slowing down. It's a defence mechanism, it's your body going into overdrive to act and react. This guy would probably be dead if it wasn't for his training
@gunsup03317 ай бұрын
shawn casually helping the audience understand how dudes keep fighting when theyve been ventilated by green tip is based
@doublemgslix8849 ай бұрын
Yoooo best PODCAST EVER mr.ballennnnm
@cameronwilson48869 ай бұрын
Perfect example of how bad Intel can lead to a shit show
@haroldstuttler83182 ай бұрын
I could listen do this all day we have some brave Soldiers
@ordunaplace19 ай бұрын
These shows are getting better and better. Love to hear a General Flynn interview.
@gamallsdokkalfs72539 ай бұрын
I'm very thankful Mr. Ballen survived this fight. I watch his channel a lot.
@axlmendez-jt9ud9 ай бұрын
I could literally listen to these stories all day no problem
@andreawolfkill53229 ай бұрын
My two favorite guys!
@pookie4539 ай бұрын
Best guest
@poormansgunz80329 ай бұрын
Life and death is slow motion, the funeral thing same feeling
@AdamDguitars9 ай бұрын
The best storyteller of our time telling his own near death experience
@GrantAndKelli9 ай бұрын
Thank you for the pain, suffering, wounds, and sacrifices you made for me!
@Damyankee19899 ай бұрын
I can never understand the slow motion thing in combat/high stress situations...not that I dont believe it can happen but I have been in a situation where i had a gun pointed at me and i was pointing one back. Probably 20-30 feet between the two of us. Everything happened so fast..adrenaline was pumping like crazy. Never freaked out at all. Ended up talking the situation out while guns are drawn on the both of us. My old lady and the kids were hidden under a mattress inside my trailer. I dont remember even thinking once. Nothing but pure reaction to an incident that happened very quickly. Was the point in my life I knew for sure I was not a coward and put my life on the line to protect my family.
@onic9565Ай бұрын
Respect brother this is How a real Man should act
@pab13819 ай бұрын
I see Shawn got with the strange dark and mysterious delivered in story format lol. Nah I’m kidding John and Shawn are great.
@settaylor13259 ай бұрын
Gnarly, anchors away shawn, keep up the good work⚓️
@tiffinyanderson44035 күн бұрын
I love how John took so much hate but then other special forces guys started channels and it’s ok. I know John Ballen has addressed his early videos and said he was wrong to disclose to much but it’s still ironic. Love both of these creators.