Navy Seal On Warfare: Trump vs Biden, Civil War, Putin vs Ukraine & Israel-Hamas | Jocko Willink

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In today’s episode of Impact Theory, I’m joined again by Jocko Willink to discuss the complexities of modern warfare, leadership, and the influence of social media on public opinion.
Jocko Willink is a retired Navy Seal, globally recognized leadership expert and author of one of the most empowering books ever, “Extreme Ownership”. In today’s discussion he details his leadership principles and explains how to apply them. He also talks about building relationships and trust, understanding human nature, and learning to control your ego and emotions.
We also cover:
- Foreign interventions
- Applying military strategies to business decisions
- Active listening and bridging gaps between opposing views
- Dynamics of power
- Power of memeable concepts and commitment to change
- Importance of maintaining one's freedom in the face of tyranny
- Social media's role in triggering emotional responses
- Self-reliance and the American spirit
- Role of leadership in guiding public opinion and avoiding manipulation
- Avoiding the "mob mentality" to effectively guide
- Israel's strategy against Hamas and long-term consequences
- Jocko's perspective on Putin's pride and potential strategy
- The intrinsic human desire for freedom and control
From discussing the pitfalls and emotional manipulation prevalent on social media to the strategies behind psychological warfare and the current geopolitical landscape, Jocko does not shy away from addressing the pressing issues of our time.
This conversation on building resilience, strategic thinking over emotional reactions, and the enduring power of freedom is sure to shift how you view the world and your role within it. Remember, in a world where chaos reigns, it's your clarity and your mission that makes the difference.
Chapter Markers:
[0:00] Jocko for President?
[15:24] Leadership qualities and principles
[50:08] Choice & freedom in America
[1:18:29] Wild West brutality
[1:44:11] Military expertise in entrepreneurship
[2:09:13] Israel-Hamas conflict
[2:38:32] Challenges young men face today
Powerful Insights From Jocko Willink:
"I think right now, what we need is someone that's less polarizing and has a more open mind and is more concerned about, or looking more to find solutions and compromise and figure out how to make things work, rather than, hey, here's what the party that put me in this position wants to have happen. And…what that results in is oftentimes nothing happening."
“Come up with a flexible plan and you start to move in that direction and then you iterate and make changes to the plan as you get closer. But you're still sticking within the principles that you believe and still going towards the end state that you're trying to reach. That's what a leader should be doing and that's what leaders should be doing."
"They can suppress, they can suppress the instinct for freedom that human beings have for a certain period of time. But I don't believe that they can actually extinguish the flame of freedom."
"I'm going to make small decisions, and I'm going to continually assess, and that's what I'm doing all the time. And that's what a good leader does is look and make small adjustments and pay attention to the feedback."
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[@TomBilyeu]

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[@Charles-ij1ow]

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[@ChristopherWaddelow]

I think this video convinced me that we need Jocko to be our president 😂 Thanks for the content Tom/anyone helping manage this show!

[@tapuout101]

If Jocko ran for President youd treat him like Trump 1000%. You have Zero clue how blind you are to what is going on. You worship politicians that dont even claim US/America anymore. They are soooo blind they cant even see their Party is claiming a new country while destroying this one. They are pushing businesses out of NY and California for their trillion dollar companies(black rock, vanguard ect) to buy the real estate cheap. They have warehouses Full of replacement workers they pay and protect. Are they gonna vote out of the US and pull China in? In turn it will cripple the US?

[@tapuout101]

1Group(Left,Dems,Liberal,Woke,CCP)controls/owns..CNN,NBC,ABC,CBS,FOX,HOLLYWOOD,Banks,BlackRock,Vanguard,Lg.Corps,Disney,Google,Facebook,Amazon,Microsoft,Apple,Instagram,KZbin,Universities,SIG,Protestors and Rioting Mobs.

[@tapuout101]

The book the Art of War is what the US is falling under. The best way to win a War is a War you dont have to fight.

[@brian6696]

The best leaders often do not want to be in high positions of authority, like this guy here

[@lancefisher8358]

In every field too not only military and politics, same for blue collar and retail

[@kevinburchett5878]

By most first hand accounts he wasn’t a good leader u might wanna dig a lil deeper on ole joke o

[@MarvelousMaterial]

He is supposed to be the step back and asses guy...but when talking about Gaza, he never mentions the lockdown by Israel that made them dig tunnels in the first place, or the illegal settlements being built in the occupied territory. Not the sign of a good just leader.

[@mandabean.2405]

If you go back to the 80s on Oprah (back when she use to love him) and many othe shows like Larry King... Trump said the same thing. He never wanted to run. His exact words were if it got bad enough... Now look what we have. He could definitely speak to people in better phasing but the end is still the same. I will take mean tweets and a better American than this absolute disastrous administration running the country right now.

[@ubayyd]

@@MarvelousMaterial but he has been outspoken about his disagreement with the way the occupiers have been indiscriminately bombing Gaza.

[@classactracing]

“Don't expect to be motivated every day to get out there and make things happen. You won't be. Don't count on motivation. Count on Discipline.” - Jocko Willink.

[@rbmindful]

Yes. Dopamine doesn't last long. After that it's commitment that gets the job done.

[@perfectifmelancholy]

One of the most useful quotes ever if applied.

[@doctoruttley]

LEGEND

[@joshhoodrat451]

A preacher of self discipline , personal responsibility , hard work, being on time, decentralized command, Jocko would be opposed by the establishment and ridiculed and attacked as a white privileged heterosexual male

[@7JeTeL7]

@@perfectifmelancholy "we would be basically gods, if we listen to our own advice" sam harris

[@user-zc3fs3gg8j]

my chiropractor went to a summit with jocko as a guest speaker! after this event...my Chiro raised all his prices!!! thanks jock0 for your inspirational talks!!

[@synewparadigm]

😂

[@moshpuppy13]

😂

[@obamavariant9128]

Or that was always going to happen because the taxes on his business went up. Should he be cracking your back at a loss?

[@edkalski2312]

Today, everything is about emotions. Reason and rationality have left the building.

[@nikivinogradoff1990]

unfortunately same goes for the thumbnails.

[@hawkshaunm]

Don’t forget a fat payday

[@CharlesImlay]

Emotion can get the strong minded defeated. Emotion opens a weakly fortified door and allows a dominate force to take over control fully. Rational determination recognizes the weakness immediately and either fortifies the weak door or abandons it as a lost cause. Sometimes it's better to count the losses as lessons to NEVER repeat again. If you can not realize the difference, then you have a weak spot that you need to strengthen, or you had better find a different route, to find success and full strength. There is no room to sympathize with someone else's emotional discord, as that weakens your own resolve. Pandering to someone else's weak emotions, when they don't completely want to change, only brings you down to their weak level. It is better to turn your back to them and walk out. AND that could apply to family too. So suck it up and get your own house in order and keep it that way.

[@Kawolskii93]

Bots ??

[@hanswurscht6625]

About exercising: No matter what you do, if you do it in the morning before anything else you win the day

[@Jancuks04]

Person not wanting power is the person who should hold power.

[@djthemacster]

Cinncinatus

[@richardc861]

So we should elect Michelle Obama then?

@@richardc861

[@None-lh5mx]

People who want power often pretend not to want power. Who cares?

[@djthemacster]

@@richardc861 has she stated she would hold that position but doesn’t want to wield the power ?

[@dannymiller3905]

The fact that I can visibly see you Tom becoming humbled from Jacko's responses deserves a like. Thank you, sir, for listening. Many people need to hear and understand what this man is saying because when we stray too far from sensical reasoning, there will be no future. This man is among the echelon of defending humanity from itself. Thumbs up to you for having him on your show.

[@jordizbuciux8118]

Love Jacko's positivity and clear mind talking always learning something new from him..well done Tom 👍

[@ianmedford4855]

"Good evening Echo." "Good evening Mr President."

[@monikastreicher3119]

Great content! as the world crisis progresses the smartest thing people do lately is building a strong investment that isn’t controlled by the government. Like digital currencies.

[@CarlosLocke]

That’s really interesting! I’ve been thinking about investing in digital currencies lately but wondering how to do it, do anyone have any thought on that?

[@uweschacher4693]

Are individuals still holding crypto coin and stocks? I didn’t know that , I guess a few know about integrating into the micro economy to help substitute FIAT or usdt for a more tangible exchange Experience, it more like capitalization with about 43.307% profits/ ROI weekly though.. ps..Kimberly Jane Carl,got me covered!

[@CarlosLocke]

"Hey everyone! 👋 Just starting my investment journey in crypto and stocks. 🚀 Learning the ropes and excited about the possibilities. Any tips or or info on how I’ll reach out to Kimberly Jane Carl,Let's grow together! 🌱

[@uweschacher4693]

+1208

[@andrewmohler5131]

interview yourself or ask the guest a question without your philosophy proceeding every question. Just a thought as a viewer

[@ltd9806]

For real! Talk less listen more

[@davidr9589]

Some of the best leaders don't want to lead but do so out of obligation. Jocko is that man.

[@Raidur7215]

People like Jocko because he's perceived as a honest man. He has balls and people trust him. Class, strength, and intellect. Integrity. 'Nuff said.

[@Nathann2121]

Ohh boy.. Obviously, you are ill informed. Jocko is no hero.. As a matter of fact, he's a coward who rarely went out with his team.. Task force/unit bruiser is undoubtedly the most unethical, most counter minded group in Ramadi during 2005. Marines have noted and reinforced Lief Babins complete disrespect towards them, causing more harm and damage then rebuild and rapore. It's been clearly stated that Jocko is a joke in the community. Peeling the gold from the trident. You see a facade. This is a man who let Chris Kyle loose. He allowed innocent lives to parish. Unnecessary and unethical was SOP for TFB. You need to learn about someone before you glorify them.. Ill point you in the direction. Look up Eric Deming..

[@shamanahaboolist]

There's no reality involved in many people's perspective unfortunately.

[@rsbmg]

@@Nathann2121 I'm curious and I have no dog in this fight what so ever but have you ever met Jocko? It sounds as though you watched a couple podcasts where one unknown former SEAL is talking about third hand information none of which seems to have been vetted. No I'm not saying his negative stories about Jocko are false, I'm just curious why you seem to have placed all your faith in 1 unknown guy.

[@Nathann2121]

@@rsbmg Read the Marine XO letter. Read Code over Country. All you really need to know about this stuff. I've met Jocko. He really did seem like a squared away dude, but man, it's hard not to believe Eric. Eric Deming spent 27 in the military. 7 years in the Navy and 20 in the team. His credibility is high. He wouldn't make this public without multiple confirmed sources.. It wouldn't make sense to damn a SEAL without probable cause... Just look how much $ Luttrell and Jocko have now... Based on lies.. Obviously I think military should be compensated to the highest standard, but not like this. In your heart, if you saw innocent deaths, then the same person talks about how badass he, you'd wanna see heads roll to.

[@Nathann2121]

@rsbmg Code over Country Marine XO letter (2005) Ramadi. Go read these. All you need to know. Both are very credible, having multiple sources confirm individual parts of the the events cultivating in the publicity and credibility in both writings above. Jocko just needs to address this. If it's not true, defend yourself. Staying silent on this situation only points to guilt.

[@UlugbekPrimov-gc4ds]

It's been 32 years i have been in war with myself, fight for my survival

[@rballen420]

This guy is a pompous tool, he is the problem

[@rballen420]

I can’t believe this guy is on this show I am unsubscribing

[@nixob1]

Care to elaborate @@rballen420

[@braveheart4603]

@@rballen420 Why you not like him ? I only know him as an ex military dude who's been on Rogan a few times.

[@adamlilly2548]

​​@@rballen420Dueces...✌️😝✌️

[@two5seven14]

“By executive order, I now hereby declare that all Americans shall from this day forth arise at 4:30 am and do jiu-jitsu” -President Jocko

[@usbackcountry]

And vote for President Donald Trump in November.

[@cellphone7223]

Nah, Im good thnx. Im gonna get up when I want to.

[@MrPalaad]

jiu-jitsu vs a gun

[@cubiemaddox]

Trump is not fit to be Anybody but a 🤡

[@MrPalaad]

@@cubiemaddox your kids will be on the lower rung of the food chain if brandon gets in. So will you.

[@lizarosa156]

Pray for all empathetic defenseless vulnerable people and precious animals/living beings 🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️

[@Ardent-_-Jitsu]

Jocko Willink is such a crystal clear, meaningful, and persuasive thinker and leader. The art is in his balanced approach and capability to see all sides of an issue, speak humbly, identity his bias, and then tell the truth. So needed in our day; so refreshing.

[@swdetroitjesus]

“Why is America great?” “Freedom, freedom, and freedom.”

[@raybojr1]

As long as freedoms aren't eroded slowly over time.

[@moshpuppy13]

😂😂😂

[@Brian0wns]

You did a great job keeping Jocko engaged and excited. This was a really well done show

[@locgem]

Jockos hypothetical conversations between two conflicting personalities always work out so well with the level of rationality he injects into them.

[@giancarlosantagata7192]

Ive been listening to his podcast since around 2017. He is someone deserving of trust for various reasons. If you ask urself if u would put your personal things in his hands, for any variable hypothetical scenario, like business,family security, moral quarrels, whatever. If the answer is mostly yes, its a good indication that this man is a good choice to have by your side or in front of you. We should hold leaders to this standard. [ not native english speaker ]

[@ssehe2007]

I appreciate Jocko’s optimism but regarding the plight of young men it’s hard to see how his perspective isn’t distorted by an obvious selection effect: The holes in his fishing net are an inch in diameter so he’s not gonna catch anything 1+ n inches wide. Maybe if he ran a nationwide network of gyms he’d have some real numbers to lay out.

[@venivinivinci]

Shhh stay away from my master plan

[@dis4980]

Jocko you not wanting to be President is exactly why you should be President. By the way I watched your Master Class on Leadership with my 5 and 7 year olds kids and it was awesome.

[@Razorbackjedi97]

"For I am the lord thy God, thou shall have no other god before me" Includes kneeling to freedom...

[@aliciar8978]

I hope Trump and politicians are listening to Jocko!

[@dg1019]

Not sure Trump listens to anyone. Unless of course they are telling him what he wants to hear.

[@brigitteellis282]

You're an Exceptional MAN Jocko. We can all learn so much from you're great strength, honorable humility. Thank you for your service and your VOICE. Enjoy your family. God Bless America in spite of itself

[@catherinesalacuse3284]

This man, Jocko Wilink should be speaking to Americans, no politics, no sides to influence….just listening to what he knows about life and what too many Americans do not know, because life spoiled them and that’s fine & good for them. But today is time to look at what real life is about and America is & still will be the best place to be. Thank you for this valuable conversation🇫🇷🇺🇸

[@JasonLaveKnotts]

He has a Podcast.

[@joshhoodrat451]

A preacher of self discipline , personal responsibility , hard work, being on time, decentralized command, Jocko would be opposed by the establishment and ridiculed and attacked as a white privileged heterosexual male

[@jxntxn1462]

A person can change and grow a lot over 15-20 years. I know most of us have heard the talk about Jocko but im rocking with this guy still. Hopefully everything turns out for the better

[@maricruzlanda7422]

Thank you, Tom and Mr.Jocko, for all your knowledge. I Love America for all it is, based on my experience.

[@rik.writing.roughly3058]

Huge fan of bringing manufacturing back to America. I’m a vet and one of my life goals is to start an American manufacturing business back in the areas of our nation that have been gutted. No one will ever stop the American Spirit, thanks for laying out a path to emulate Jocko, from a devil dog 🤘

[@Wyliesmama]

You should interview Dave Smith (the comedian). He makes alot of sense to me, he listens, and he has principles.

[@devinshaw3316]

I second this, Dave is the man. I think they would have a very good conversation.

[@nixob1]

Bad principles or good principles?

[@Wyliesmama]

​@@nixob1listen to him and you decide for yourself 😉

[@Wyliesmama]

@@nixob1 you should listen to him and decide for yourself😉. I think some of the joe rogan clips with Dave are particularly good.

[@Itraininthebogs]

Please no. Dave is way too in love with the sound of his own voice.

[@kevindanielpg]

Its amazing how old Jocko seems from his start on the Tim Ferriss Podcast and still im 100% sure this MF will kick my ass any day of the week, what a unit.

[@joshhoodrat451]

A preacher of self discipline , personal responsibility , hard work, being on time, decentralized command, Jocko would be opposed by the establishment and ridiculed and attacked as a white privileged heterosexual male

[@teambeforeself6839]

Benjamin Franklin said: Safety is always more important than freedom when fear takes over. To fear, safety is more important than anything else. Those who allow fear to take over fight for safety. Those who don't feel fear fight for freedom.

[@hob976]

I LOVE Jocko's interviews with military veterans and authors, on his show. I think they're absolutely stellar and he dives deep into their books. They're legit amazing. BUT, on everything else ( including business and politics ) he just sounds like an average middle school teacher talking about a topic to kids. I don't think he ever says a single thing that's novel to anyone listening. It's like he speaks a lot and never says anything...

[@framestomind7548]

yeah, he is like Mission Impossible movies´, you really do not need to see them to know the ending, and if you do see them is just a lot of fluff that goes in one way and soon after out the other and really did not add anything to life or anyone in general at all... Even Tom Cruise would be a more interesting candidate than this war-monger!

[@oldchannel2015]

I would vote for you Jocko Willink hands down! What a blessing you would be for the world 🌎, and the USA 110% 💓

[@nixob1]

You believe to easily without any proof of this mans charachter

[@migorpan2051]

@@nixob1lol why would anybody believe you on YT?

[@teotwawki00]

This is a great podcast to listen to while you workout. What Would Jocko Do??? Another set or two... That's what.

[@Kim-nz1he]

This podcast just eased my mind. I can breathe again. Than you ❤

[@EPFForsyth]

YES Finally one of our best.

[@joshhoodrat451]

A preacher of self discipline , personal responsibility , hard work, being on time, decentralized command, Jocko would be opposed by the establishment and ridiculed and attacked as a white privileged heterosexual male

[@ziv2liv]

Every time I hear an ex-military talks about "Freedom", I say sure, it is one of the things, but show me which war was so much of a threat to the US' freedom that it was justify. I'd say ONE war: WWII. That's it. As a immigrant who came from a country where freedom was never a problem, I'd say this is NOT what "makes America Great". Every single western country has freedom, that is not the exceptional part. From an immigrant perspective, OPPORTUNITY is what make America exceptional. I could have never achieved what I achieved in the country of my origin.

[@td0713]

Explain how Hitler taking over Europe was a threat to American freedom.

[@scotttaylor9133]

But that opportunity may well have not still been there had we not proven that we could exercise power around the world. Being the hegemon is always going to force you to express power to keep others from flaring up. The type of structures some of those others would impose don't hold opportunity as a primary goal. I think you miss the point that you don't know how bad things could be had we not shown that we not only could but would use force to protect our interests and way of life.

[@td0713]

Explain how Hitler taking over Europe was a threat to American freedom.

[@ziv2liv]

@@scotttaylor9133 Lots of our initiated military actions in the world, creates more resentment toward the US. Not only the US is the world's economic hegemony through controlling the US dollar, but also the miliary hegemony. That comes with a lot of responsibly. As I said, I could not any full-fledged war initiated by the US as a necessary war. Even the Afghanistan war, was way overreaction. I would argue, that lots of local and regional conflicts that required US involvement, could have been better dealt with, in small operation.

[@sne47]

It’s our freedom that creates and allows for opportunity… they go hand in hand❤

[@user-fv1vf5hp9m]

Talking about what we have in common often opens incredible doors!

[@dennisoverholts8396]

This hasbeen one of the best podcasts I have watch and I am grateful for the insight presented here.

[@5dgnt164]

Thank you. ...you are both amazing!!

[@bonita5527]

Jocko thanks for your service. Being in the military gives a young man discipline. I love how sensible, straight forward logical, insightful & intelligent you are. You'd make a great positive contribution to our broken government. You certainly are qualified & upstanding with your good values, morals. Your conflict- resolution & communication skills are truly amazing!!! Keep speaking your hopeful encouraging dialogue to Americans. You make a difference...thank you. God bless

[@markkuykendall5475]

The Navy taught me who I was by teaching me who I wasn't.

[@thenoneckpeoplerepresentat8074]

All that discipline doesn’t help the PTSD so many veterans suffer with.

[@sveinoleaase]

Please the free world needs you. Jocko feels perfect for the job.

[@papamordiop4857]

Jocko is the most strategist in speech that you want in wars.

[@pamelinc]

We need a bunch of guys like Jocko in leadership positions !

[@YouHaveAIDS]

Do we? There are thousands of ex military who have seen his leadership and would strongly disagree. People who have lived with the consequences of his choices

[@doctoruttley]

Clone him. I mean…CLONE HIM NOW! 🫡

[@joshhoodrat451]

A preacher of self discipline , personal responsibility , hard work, being on time, decentralized command, Jocko would be opposed by the establishment and ridiculed and attacked as a white privileged heterosexual male

[@StruggleoftheOutsider]

This whole line displays a fundamental lack of understanding about the fundamental dynamics of how politics work in the world we inhabit.. & the chasm between some school house rock notion of how our "Democratic Republic" is supposed to function / what was taught in Civics class.. Vs. the stark reality of how our largely unelected oligarchy works in reality... I mean no disrespect.. & I like Jocko as well .. but we can't afford to be this naive.. I do not think encouraging celebrity influencers / personalities like Jocko to run for office would be ultimately effective.. & I think he is smart enough to know this.

[@bonita5527]

Brash means ...Rude noisy cocky & arrogant. Your description of Trump's character is right.

[@RiseofMasculine]

I lost my Job in 2023 and Started this KZbin channel to move forward in life. Hope I will Make it and Wish me good luck brothers ❤️

[@DanielGoldMcduckRose]

Your added good luck I hope build mind up as well would the same support.

[@danielthomas8507]

You got this....all the best😊

[@Photik]

Spam every comment. Nice

[@ozonedrone4454]

subbed,

[@jdj777]

I’m proud of you don’t quit! You will make it!

[@vrooks4979]

Whenever I see Jacko I instantly start hearing Guiles theme in my head.

[@toddcofer6491]

Thank you to everyone involved in making this podcast. I learned new ways of thinking and working. ❤ I will begin application today.

[@hob976]

On healthcare 12:05 nobody says "we should have it for free versus we should get top dollar". That's a piss poor way of framing the issue, actually.

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

The Rod Of Asclepius

[@garygeorge9648]

Niether one of those sides has a plan on how to do it either. They have sound bites to gather voters and that is all.

[@ForgingFreedomTV]

How would you frame the two sides of the debate?

[@hob976]

@@ForgingFreedomTV Cool name! And thanks for asking... In short, there's no such thing as free healthcare (anywhere), there's only levels of subsidization coupled with varying qualities of management. On that side of the debate, they think that under a "single payer" system, regardless of quality, healthcare is better spread between "haves and have-nots". On the other hand, there's also no "free market" in healthcare ( anywhere ) but people on this side of the debate want more market directed pricing. To them, healthcare is a good, and all goods are subject to economic laws. They think that, not only does healthcare pricing come down on it's own with less bureaucratic price regulation, but money is directed where consumers want it most. I think I tried to frame both sides fairly. I admit it's easier to say it the dumb way.

[@TheHarry476]

whats so wrong with free health care it is happening in many other countries ...it is a human right is it not especially for the "greatest" country in the world

[@JohnnyMn4monic]

What I truly don't understand is why people are STILL putting faith into our current politicians, as if they will eventually do the right thing. Furthermore, I always hear these people with large followings and who maybe have the ability to get elected say "well that's not what I want to do, I don't want to be a politician", when at the same time, these are the people that are level headed and honest. When are u people going to realize, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF PEOPLE WE NEED TO GET ELECTED! If you don't want to be a politician, GREAT! Run and get elected and then leave after you've done your part. How bad did this country have to get before people with the right minds finally step up and do something??

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

Why are you complaining about everyone else like they need to go become a politician? They have the freedom to do what they want twith their lives. If you want politics changed, rather than crying to some imaginary daddy, go do it yourself.

[@nixob1]

Because they say it doesn't mean that they will do it. Some people are crafty on how they come across to other people in order to gain whatever it is that they may be for their own selfish interest.

[@nixob1]

Just cause you say it doesn't mean it's your real intent

[@braveheart4603]

Well history suggests at has to get very very bad, neigh catastrophic before that happens. And usually there's a big fight to assert power first.

[@DjAboo1]

Fantastic point about people complaining about what they don’t have while other people in other places around the world have even less. Sadhguru once said “when people talk about making it day to day, what does that actually mean? To some it’s making $100 million a day while others see it as getting their hands on enough food to be able to eat twice a day.”.

[@mfallen2023]

"Do you think that China is doi" "YES" lol That's what I love about Jocko. No mealy mouthed response, no 5-min discussion of backstory explaining why it's feasible. Just straight-forward & to the point with authority.

[@loveofinquiry8067]

RFK jr is stepping up. You should have home on your show. Rogan did. Love your talk on philosophy! Kennedy 2024🇺🇸❤️

[@byronfoppola8676]

WTF are you talking about. RFK is a conspiracy nutcase spreading lies that are easily debunked. Rogan spreads disinformation all of the tims!

[@Jancuks04]

50:00 that is what UA got, gradually gaining that sense of freedom and now those who showed them it is possible are turning their backs on them. That is the most controversy that I see from USA, spreading the word of freedom and then on other hand turning their backs.

[@blakezimmerman9004]

Tom, Wow, I understand you may have no control over the KZbin commercials, but this Video had the commercials coming every few minutes and ultimately caused me to stop the video. I normally have Premium but due to inflation I had to make some budget cuts.

[@jamesr792]

Jocko, I appreciate your adult, mature, and well reasoned perspective.

[@PeterA650]

As smart as he is on many topics, he completely lost the plot when he started talking about Ukraine. He keeps thinking that the right strategy is asymmetric insurgency, ignoring what will happen to the civilian population if the front collapses to draw the Russians in and fight an insurgency. There will be a massacre on a level not seen since the Holocaust. Also, Russia doesn't have infinite resources either. It's not the Soviet Union. A 10:1 loss ratio would absolutely crush them. They're almost out of armor already and the main thing they have is artillery and aviation. The reason they've been able to advance a few km this year is because there is massive shortage of 155mm shells. It's that simple. He's so out of touch with the realities of this war that he keeps looking at everything through the prism of his own outdated experience. This war is nothing like the war he fought. It is shattering paradigms daily. For starters, it has finally rendered the tank obsolete. When a $2K drone takes out a $2M tank, the asymmetry is already there.

[@malalamalala6769]

Minute 35. That example of working together, I recall the open door meeting trump had with Shumer and Pelosi about the wall. Jacks is a bit naive about our politics. Does he not think Trump has had those compromising conversations in business? Our government is not run like a business.

[@greenergrl]

Maybe, but then Trump turns around and tries to burn it all down.

[@alfreddurbyn642]

They came after Trump as soon as he announced that he's running and continued till this day, they have thrown everything at him simply because he is there to clean up the mess. Trump says a lot of unexpected and sometimes harsh things but even if I don't agree with it I still respect it more than telling me what I want to hear but doing just the opposite.

[@StacyA406]

Tom is developing into an even more extraordinary person than he was when he started this podcast.

[@Kim-nz1he]

Dropping golden nuggets. Thank you both

[@hawaiiangunner]

Civil War requires two opposing sides at a minimum fighting each other. Civil War is impossible in this country because only one side is willing to fight, and it is not the right.

[@Photik]

Civil War, the movie by A24, is releasing this weekend in theaters. Should be interesting.

[@ChefBardo]

thank you capitan obvious-

[@DO-xo1cz]

Civil war only requires one side willing to do violence. There is only one side that threatens political violence and it is those on the right. Trump is the only one threatening political violence. His followers are the only ones that were willing to betray the country by attacking the capitol building on January 6, 2021. There had not been violence like that since the War of 1812 against the British. Let us hope that cooler heads prevail this time and the right does not listen to Trump’s incitement to violence.

[@Thermopylae2007]

Valid point, but that was also the situation right up to the start of the Spanish Civil War, where the right didn't want a fight until it became obvious that they had no choice. Time will tell whether the American right dies by a thousand concessions/retreats or a conflict ultimately erupts.

[@hawaiiangunner]

@@Thermopylae2007 the phrase I would use is die by apathy

[@user-fk1xe6zf1k]

Either of you, please run for president, you guys are ethic , kind , smart, intelligent and we the people would vote for you, God bless always

[@UrsANDrei]

Never in my life did I hear anyone make more sense!

[@karenlewkowitz5858]

Tom missed the chapter on thr Banality of violence. I get it - difficult to fathom - but there are 1000 cuts daily

[@jessetheghost7843]

The “ kneeling “ you referred to was what the pledge of allegiance was intended to do keep us united. There is a reason they attacked it. Division is at an all time high.

[@Category5]

Never heard Jocko Willink before, but man do I agree with almost everything he said. I am slightly less terrified for my kids.

[@stainlesssteal]

Tom this interview was amazing...I felt like u were approaching this differently....I likes

[@user-ec8gp3ly5x]

Just discovered your channel, and let me just say: YOUVE BEEN KILLN IT WITH THE GUEST SELECTION! LOVE Jocko, JBP, PBD. THIS IS AWESOME

[@seth956]

Unfortunately, everything he said was either extremely vague or idealized platitudes. Very respectable guy, but his ideas are shallow in this interaction.

[@michaelwaldmeier1601]

How do you deal with FJB and people in the Administrative State / judges / politicians / certain ideological groups (delusional or evil authoritarians) who want to take away your rights, property, and freedom?

[@northsky5629]

You're not as smart as you think you are.

[@seth956]

@michaelwaldmeier1601 Don't lose sight of who you are. There is good and evil. Evil has no human allegiance, just useful puppets and ideas. Align yourself towards what is good and realize that the battle has already been won. The shadows have already been punished they just haven't realized it yet.

[@seanwanlass2501]

I felt the same way! I thought I was the only one! Jocko what is your actual stance on the border, endless wars, FJB, DOE, Woke agenda, China/foreign policy. By being vague you are basically protecting your brand. Trying to please the masses doesn’t work. Very vague responses. Presidents are just puppets for the families that run this current 💩 show Corruption in Politics is our biggest issue. 1/3 of the country is insane and 2/3 needs to unite. We aren’t red or blue we are Americans

[@JeepCherokeeful]

That’s on purpose but a correct surface level interpretation.

[@oliverjamito9902]

Remember recognize one another in front of all eyes! Without shame but with boldness!

[@kriswalter560]

Thank you for this discussion. Perfect timing. In particular, I loved the whole George Washington and Galadriel section.

[@tomt5039]

So much wisdom placed in this 3 hour episode.

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

Minerva The Goddess Of Wisdom

[@ArizonaBaySwimming]

You CANNOT reason with an enemy who seeks to destroy you. You can only force them to submit.

[@gammills08]

Just found your podcast on the CIA SPY one and these are killer. Subscribing. Good stuff man. 👍🏼

[@WillbWriting]

27:25 paradoxically the louder we talk at people, the less they hear.

[@mattmorrison9379]

Some learn better while being yelled at lol

[@rayoflight959]

The other big elephant in the world room is a certain section of a certain tribe. I'd love to ask Jocko about that!

[@dennisoverholts8396]

Way to go Jocko not falling into the male frmale trap. Love how you are consistent and true to your values and ideals

[@chetmcdonald]

Seals- they always have a mouthful and an opinion. Team Delta- they just keep their mouth shut and do their job. Always consider the source.

[@jacobwaddell6075]

Jocko = LEGEND

[@joshhoodrat451]

A preacher of self discipline , personal responsibility , hard work, being on time, decentralized command, Jocko would be opposed by the establishment and ridiculed and attacked as a white privileged heterosexual male

[@angelosenteio]

A culture without shared beliefs is doomed.

[@johnalexander5738]

Nice to hear logic, humility, strength and realistic.

[@Alexandra-be4hz]

thank you for everything you are doing to uplevel the people who are available for that

[@hamedalghizawi2580]

I am never impressed by guys like Jocko whose job is to do what they are told and not ask questions. His understanding of war is incredibly narrow because of this.

[@priscillamichelle1889]

Top 5 stupidest comments I have ever seen. Congratulations

[@BattleBladeWarrior]

I totally understand where you're coming from, but I'd give the guys more credit than that. Not asking questions doesn't mean soldiers don't see whats going on, or don't still wonder how or why they're being told to do certain things. Aa soldier is like an employee in a company. You may question your manager/ceo's business strategy yourself, but at the end of the day, you're being paid to perform your job, so you wouldn't necessarily call one out or demand an explanation, because you aren't owed one if its not applicable to your job. If anything, I think Jocko and most soldiers have the best perspective. Just because they're not constantly challenging their leaders authority doesn't mean they don't still see whats going on. It just means they understand they have a job to do, and if they want to question their commanders, they can do it off mission. America didn't get to where it is now because the soldiers don't question their commanders, far from it. It got this way because the majority of the civilian population don't question anything, and blindly follow those in charge. Soldiers/veterans are actually some of the most vocal.

[@moshpuppy13]

Agree. War is a racket.

[@colettespencer3357]

You don't understand his job. That's ok. It's covert so you wouldn't. None of us do. It's not as simplistic as doing what one is told.

[@northsky5629]

You can sit with the rest of the women while us men protect our freedom

[@nilsdannemann]

"Human flourishing is my aim. And thinking from first principles is my philosophy." Amen to that! 👍👍👍 You would probaby enjoy Cardano and everything it stands for. That being said, I'd love to see Charles Hoskinson on the show.

[@patrickkalin4437]

Don't think he's into memecoins

[@klmorg63]

When I hear Jocko say he doesn’t want that job, I would direct him to a book called Extreme Ownership! He’s pretty familiar with its tenets, but I fear money has become his new passion!

[@stephenreich4102]

Aint no surf in DC Jocko! Good to see Jockco on the Pod.

[@winter151]

While I agree with him on the majority of the things he is talking about, there a few that the is straight up wrong about. Like "America protects freedom" bit, for example. America does not protect freedom outside of America, quite the opposite actually. Those kids in other countries that don't have beds and bedrooms that he is talking about, those are often the countries that America invaded and destroyed for their natural resources, or because "America" didn't like their socio-economic structure, and they urgently needed some "democracy" brought to those countries. If someone is critical of the USA Today, it's usually because of the US foreign policies, including all the covert operations and regime change operations that America always finds itself involved in. We cannot sit here and discuss how great America is, while the US government is stealing close 70,000 barrels of oil a day in Syria (which is 80% of their daily oil production), or while our government funds the genocide in GAZA...

[@davidmangold9666]

Well said,, thanks to you for speaking up for humanity

[@joshhoodrat451]

A preacher of self discipline , personal responsibility , hard work, being on time, decentralized command, Jocko would be opposed by the establishment and ridiculed and attacked as a white privileged heterosexual male

[@deepdiver849]

This goes to shows that Americans in the military or media are either ignorant or deliberately trying to act dumb...

[@MellyBelle]

Well said. America protects its interests. Economic interests. The end. And that's what other nations do, too- to the extent they can.

[@Cuefrost101]

People's hearts need to change before values take root 💓

[@jordangombach8280]

Hey Tom, Great conversation! It is really refreshing to see two intelligent individuals having an in depth conversation about principles and philosophy in an age of reactionary content and "drive by" media. I noticed around 39 minutes Jocko was talking about trillion dollar bills being introduced without elected officials having time to review the content of said bills. That leads me to a question (technically two) I would like to ask you: Are you aware of the Citizen's United v. FEC Supreme Court case in 2010? In a nutshell, the decision by the court effectively allowed lobbying funds & efforts to be protected as free speech under the first amendment and gave rise to the Super PACs that seem to have a stranglehold on our elected officials. I've dumbed that down quite a bit but would encourage you to look into it further, as the effects of the decision have skewed the dialogue of our political discourse toward lobbying interests as opposed to populace interests, in my opinion. I very firmly believe that after 14 years, the unchecked lobbying and vast amounts of funding that funnels into political campaigns has severely compromised the ability of our elected officials to enact legislation that benefits their constituents, rather legislation being introduced heavily favors the interest of lobbying/ special interest groups who these officials rely on to fund their next campaigns. This topic doesn't seem to be discussed much in the overarching narrative of political discourse, so I was just curious to see what your thoughts are on this subject. Thanks, Jordan

[@MrJkenner]

I like these guys a lot, but there is a certain naiveté about how things really work that underlies this conversation. I don't know if they're trying to walk a line but as much as they say they don't want to get into politics, at times, they sound like politicians, especially Jocko.

[@MrJkenner]

I'll give an example too: if you look at early videos of Trump after he won the election, he actually did try to take a more conciliatory tone until Comey showed up at Trump Tower with the debunked Steele Dossier. Trump knew it was a pathetic attempt to blackmail him that he saw thru. Surprisingly, there is a PBS Frontline that documents the moment Trump realized he would have anything but a normal presidency. I'll see if I can find the link.

[@johnandrews1975]

Jocko please run

[@correykrickeberg4254]

Great interview. Can't say I agree with everything, but great interview. Specifically, NATO had nothing to do with Russia in Georgia, Chechnya, Syria, 2014 Ukranian conflict, African conflicts that Russia started. There is absolutely no indication that Russia will stop if they are allowed to win in Ukraine. If they win, Russia will be much stronger and have more incentive to go deeper into Europe. The Europeans know this and are armming themselves. The only EU country (France) with nukes says they may put troops in Ukraine. Germany is considering a nuclear program. The way to keep this from getting worse is to give Ukraine every single thing they want so that we aren't drawn into another European war. We weren't able to stay out of WWI or WWII even though we tried very hard. Substitute Russia for Germany and China for Japan and the incentives are very similar. Russia is a land locked country with insecure borders. China has no oil and it is very easy to block them in the Indian Ocean. My other voice of contention is that manufacturing isn't so easy to solve although Jovko's company in NC is a shining way forward. Productivity is what allowed his clothing company to beat out Asian clothing manufacturers. We can increase Productivity on higher ticket items and beat out low cost manufacturers. However, there are thousands of low value add, but necessary, parts in a car (for example). The low value add parts need to be built in a place (like yesterday's Asia) with low-level skills because labor costs are appropriately low. The high-value add is designing a vehicle and then assembling it. The high value add can be done here at home, but we need other areas with lower labor costs to manufacture the parts that are more simple. Otherwise, the costs of our cars, phones, machinery, etc will quintuple. We have to be really careful that inflation doesn't destroy any gains in wages just because we want to produce at home. It isn't going to be simple to deglobalize, but it's happening for sure

[@RunningWithSauce]

So wrong. Forgive the book but its a complex situation. When NATO was formed Russia enjoyed a near 1000 mile buffer zone of threats to its own sovereignty. Its no secret NATO nations do not align with Russia on philosophy. This "gentlemen's agreement" has been geopolitically known for a long time. Remember America's response with Russia moved missiles to cuba? Same concept. In 2014 after the Russian invasion of Crimea political scientist John J. Mearsheimer wrote a paper attributing the blame towards the West for this Russian aggression by allowing NATO to expand and encroach too far towards Russia. Despite uncomfortable reading this idea is closer to the truth. Ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union Western powers led by the United States have pushed for NATO expansion. This first took place in 1999 with Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic joining the alliance and then in 2004 another large expansion occurred with Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania joining from the north with Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia to the south. NATO was gradually moving east towards Russian borders despite promising in the past that it wouldn’t. This is an important geopolitical issue because despite the huge size of Russia three quarters of its population lives within an area between the borders of Europe and the Ural Mountains. Russia’s most important cities, including the capital city of Moscow, are all geographically located close to Europe. As a land power Russia’s vulnerability is its closeness to Europe and the flat expanse of land belonging to the North European Plain that divides the two is susceptible to invasion. Historically Russia has always relied on this huge land mass to act as a buffer zone between its enemies and any encroachment on this is taken very seriously by Moscow. To put this into context prior to the expansion of NATO Moscow sat behind a 1,000-mile buffer zone, this has now been reduced to just 200 miles. So, faced with this perceived threat from NATO slowly encroaching upon the Russian border and diminishing this important buffer zone what theoretical approach to international security has Putin adopted to deal with this issue? Within international security studies ‘Realism’ theory explores the idea that the word is full of anarchy and views the world as it is rather than how we wish it to be. Despite the wishful thinking that others view NATO simply as a defensive alliance promoting cooperation between nation states the reality is that Putin views NATO as a hostile military alliance, and one that is now encroaching upon his doorstep. Under realism the only way a nation state can ensure its security is with the appropriation of power. Russia has certainly appropriated military power with nuclear weapons, the largest military in Europe and the world’s fifth biggest annual defence budget (in 2021). In recent years Ukraine has politically shifted away from Russia with a forced change of government that has focused more towards the West and has generated talks of joining NATO. This has caused tensions with Moscow and has struck debate among Western countries and the United States. Nation states like Ukraine should be free to join whatever political alliance they want to, but if Russia has a genuine security concern then this should be recognised and taken into consideration. Is there corruption in Ukraine, undoubtably yes, but probably no more or no less than any other average country in Eastern Europe. Are there elements of Nazism present in Ukraine, again regrettably yes. However, these issues are domestic criminal matters to be resolved by Ukraine internally, they do not give Putin ‘jus ad bellum’ (justice in war/the right to go to war) and to allow his nation state to use military force against another nation state. Putin has securitized these issues and has socially constructed the idea that Ukraine’s military and Nazism is a security threat to Russia. Within international security studies the constructivism theory explores the idea that a nation state can ‘securitize’ an issue with another nation state to the point where it can become an existential threat compelling them to act. After invading Ukraine Putin promoted the idea that he was forced to act in order to protect the rights of people living there whilst safeguarding Russia’s security in the process. In reality, like a geopolitical game of chess, Putin’s actions were due to the fact that he would prefer to control and influence Ukraine himself rather than the West and at the same time by doing so he believes he is securing the integrity of his borders and maintaining that all important buffer zone between Russia and NATO.

[@user-ly7th6sx7l]

For anyone who has any strong hate towards the US, does not understand how good we have it and our responsibility to protect and continue to nurture it. No country is perfect and no one group of people has done anything perfectly. However, it takes more bravery and sense of responsibility to accept the wrong doings and flaws, and move forward in collaboration to build a brighter future. Individual sovereignty is worth protecting for all people. It’s also important to acknowledge that the US could have been a far worse force of power, and that what makes this country great is the reason why many people want to immigrate here. Americans must understand this to continue to fight for personal liberty and freedom for all. Without this understand, we will crumble in the hands of those that will use our ignorance and emotional instability to their advantage and agenda. Treat each other with kindness even though you disagree with each other. You’re more likely to have more in common with those around you than you really think.

[@CentralPerspective-my2ev]

There is no negotiation or solutions talking with Russia about quitting the war.

[@MS-wz9jm]

This is the problem with the US - hypocrisy. The US was willing to go to nuclear war because it didn't want Russian forces in the sovereign country of Cuba in 1962. Well Russia has the same objection in Ukraine - completely fair. To add to that Ukraine has a massive Russian population. Since the war started in 2014 Ukraine slaughtered over 10,000 Russian civilians yet the US thinks Russia should just sit back? The US in comparison only lost 3,000 civilians on 9/11 and then went to war destroying the middle east.

[@CentralPerspective-my2ev]

@@MS-wz9jm We have a huge population of Mexican citizens living in the United States of America. We don’t let Mexico come and attack us. Russia has normal relations with Mexico yet we are not taking over Mexico either because they doing business with Russia. Your argument is laughable and lies. Russia killed millions of Ukrainians and sent them all over to Siberia and put Russians in eastern Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine is UKRAINE. IT HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED ALONG WITH CRIMEA AS UKRAINE SINCE THE USSR EVAPORATED INTO RUIN BECAUSE $$$ problems with corrupt government. Now stop your propaganda and lies. It’s obvious you are trying to send a BS message to sway people against Ukraine. 🤣. Why not just fix the plumbing and install utilities in the rest of the country and stop stealing toilets from your neighbors.

[@JamesWitte]

Jocko is what a true American looks like.

[@saminsomerset]

Certainly he represents the best of America.. unfortunately most Americans are not like him at all

[@maryolson8519]

A True American! I totally agree that we Americans have become so Spoiled, Entitled and Ungrateful. 😢😢

[@joshhoodrat451]

A preacher of self discipline , personal responsibility , hard work, being on time, decentralized command, Jocko would be opposed by the establishment and ridiculed and attacked as a white privileged heterosexual male

[@moshpuppy13]

😂😅😂

[@JanRiffler]

The power to stir up a whole nation of solid, egotistical and utilitarian individuals, and to persuade them that their greatest privilege is to set out and get themselves killed at the uttermost ends of the earth, with no hope of gain for themselves or their children and almost without their understanding against or for whom they are fighting, or why, is a simply incredible phenomenon which makes one afraid when one comes to think about it.

[@scotchbarrel4429]

I would pay to watch a movie about Washington, but only in the same vein as they did Braveheart, and in the way he has been described here, sounds like an amazing warrior.

[@None-lh5mx]

Pushes Tulsi Gabbard. Cringe. Pisses me off how so many of these SEALs are anti-2A.

[@SafeInstinct]

As someone who is not American - but definitely believes in the American idea - seeing Trump as a strong man is extremely difficult for me. In my eyes and most people outside the US, Trump is sickly weak, close-minded and a man with enormously weak self-esteem. Trump is incredibly easy to manipulate. All that is required; praise him, tell him how strong he is, how smart he is and what a good leader he is - and his narcissism and self-absorption will make him do anything you want from him... just ask Putin and Kim Jong-un

[@TrueLife..]

Trump has the literal speaking capacity of a child. The guy is a nasty freak and criminal that has openly admitted to things which suggest he is probably also a rapist or certainly engaged in sexual assault. The only goons that consider him a 'strong man' are on a spectrum of room temp iq to egregiously ignorant. I can't stand Biden but my God trump is next level.

[@bhocatbho]

I am not American either and I completely disagree. Look at the track records. With Trump, the world has been more secure, there were no wars at the door of Europe and the economy was running. Look instead at how disastrous has been the Biden administration. Moreover, look at the equally disastrous Barack administration which gave us instability in the Middle East thanks to his cursed Arab spring. Trump is so strong that he does not fear confronting the entire establishment.

[@TheHarry476]

You took it straight out of my words...its unfortunate that trump is viewed as brazen brush and strong ...he is unfortunately just a bully and is practically the opposite of what Jocko described to be a great leader. it is also unfortunate that Tom (unfortunately or fortunately showed where your allegiance is to) insinuated and led Jocko to agree that President Biden is weak and demented (we all agree he has declined in age and slower ) The state of the union address jacked up or not President Biden faced America handled himself well even in front of his biggest critics amid the booing and shouts he didn't loose ground and came swinging who "jacked up" could have such control and poise and hang around well after the address shaking hands...... however the parts that the "media" exposes are his weak ones compared to trump who is mostly incoherent and repeatedly lies and has nothing of substance and is always incendiary on most times no policy no progress all he says is me. me . me. While President Biden is not in the media all the time however policies are being made and things are improving he is always looking for a uniting common ground and so does the Democratic party i would not say it for the Maga party that has lost direction is dysfunctional and ineffective.......and the question of Biden as a CEO Jocko did not exhaust the answer just saying!!!