Mogami class

Mogami class

[@Straswa]

Nice vid, the Mogami is my favorite Japanese cruiser, I really like the look of her hybrid refit.

[@gemmamudd7167]

Me too 😊

[@heatherparisi7078]

Very interesting review of an historically enigmatic Treaty Cruiser. Was the Mogami designed with the U.S. Brooklyn class as inspiration? Or was it something more, including the U.S. influence on Treaty designs for pre-War Cruisers. Why maybe? It may have became increasingly critical strategically. As Japan's imperialistic expansion, which predated the second world war by a decade in it's bid to force it's Co-Prosperity Policy, (stated propaganda of the 1930s to justify empire building as European colonies in Asia became increasingly vulnerable with Germany's expansion) urgency became increasingly - well - urgent. So their goals kept being subjected to rising expectations amidst rapidly escalating expectations of a war for control of the Pacific and the raw materials a sustainable Pacific empire required without reliance on Western trade. That high stakes projected war had the IJN assigned to multiple tasks with limited means and production capacities. To underscore the level of urgency and stress involved in naval designs and performance expectations of the pre-War period, the construction of another technical Treaty violating construction effort, the design of the Yamato class concurrently should be examined. Just 1 missing blueprint sheet for the 68k ton Treaty Battleship, (technically post Treaty by IJN rationalization) which violated battleship limits with an unprecedented main armament of 9-18" guns and twice the displacement limit, caused multiple IJNN design personnel to be held in custody and very rigorously interrogated. It turned out to have been shredded, NOT stolen and sent to U.S. or U.K. intelligence agencies. Secrets and paranoia were so rife over such small security incidents, due to the projected expectations including Pacific domination over the U.S., England and the European powers. So, on a smaller scale a similar setting surrounded the construction and "designing/redesigning" efforts regarding the Mogami class. It should also be noted that weight saving via welding versus riveting had been employed by both the German's in building the Graf Spee and her earlier sisters which also cheated on both weight and armorment and Japan was emboldened by, and embraced Germany's methods and results at this point.

[@navyreviewer]

The mogamis came before the Brooklyns. They were a response to the treaties limiting the size and weight of cruisers. Also limited were the allowed diameter of guns they could carry. The Yamatos were NOT treaty limited as the treaty had expired and Japan didnt sign onto its replacement. They violated no treaty... that Japan was part of.

[@WildBillCox13]

Glad to see you're posting again!

[@daqt6079]

I very much enjoyed this video. Thank you for posting it.

[@13thSystem]

Mogami was supposed to be a light cruiser but they decided to put heavy cruiser guns on it. Takao class is the real true Japanese heavy cruiser.

[@peterson7082]

Other way around.

[@carlosrivas1629]

LOL!! there is no way its not top heavy.

[@michaelnaisbitt1639]

I gather from your sigh three quarters of the way through narration this was not your favourite class of light/heavy cruiser. Enjoyed the story and history tho. You put in a lot of research. Well done

[@battleshipfleet]

I really love the content you create! keep it up I always look forward to more :D

[@squirepraggerstope3591]

They died hard in the end, given they were originally such jerry-built jobs, the Mogamis.

[@JasonWolfeYT]

For ships made out of cardboard they took days of bombing to sink if their torpedoes didn't go up.

[@Ccccccccccsssssssssss]

You’re a legend sir!

[@Ultranationalist941]

Best Tier 8

[@patrickmcleod111]

Yeah, but when the Japanese built the Mogami class in the 1930s, they had already been promised by WG that these ships wouldn't be incorporated into the game ANY higher than tier 7!! IMO, they decided to up-gun these ships after realizing they were being bumped up to tier 8.....

[@brianpetersen2364]

You really feel the weakness of the welds when you get broadsided :-(

[@dv2045]

they should had added Tone... and Akaji/Sorju/Hiryu as alternatives to Kaga

[@denkeylee]

Sounds to me, they shouldnt carry torpedoes. They do more damage than the opposition. lol

[@nobby3265]

Favourite heavy cruiser

[@SCjunk]

The Japanese were not lying or being disingenious, they were the foremost experts in Origami, that they used thicker paper than originally specified😂

[@ParallaxVueTwo]

It seems like "broken in two" and "severely damaged" would be somewhat different things, no?

[@whispofwords2590]

ParallaxView well when he says "broken in two" i think he literary means broken into two parts. So say the bow breaks off. Then the ship can be considered as being broken in two and heavily damaged in the same way that the New Orleans and the Minnesota loosing their bows can be

[@jayfelsberg1931]

As noted in any stories on this site, the Long Lance torpedo coulc be just as dangerous to the shi as the enemy, as they were pretty juch of a disaster when hit by anything.

[@69Applekrate]

I wonder- how does one actually know the real tonnage? obviously, they cannot weigh it. So, do they weigh each part as it is attached to the ship? or is there some accurate way to determine weight. curious. thanks

[@sandyopenchosky8928]

69Applekrate wow that's a great one. Do they put it in a lock like in the panama canal

[@Chieftain1966]

69Applekrate The short answer is physics and the longer answer is that you can relatively easliy measure the dimensions of a ship. Then you see how much water it displaces, you use those values and some others and put them into a formula and it spits out the total displacement of the ship or Tonnage. The name for a ships weight displacement kind of gives away the metheod. The formula for Displacement is (Tons) = L x B x D x C / 35 that is for salt water ie ocean going vessel. For more information please see mantis36.expertscolumn.com/article/seamanship-how-find-ship-or-vessel-displacement-sea-water-and-fresh-water I hope you found this helpful.

[@JTA1961]

@@Chieftain1966 thanks. I was expecting the watered down version... 📉😎📈

[@JamesSavik]

Beautiful ships and a nasty handful.

[@johngeverett]

Five triple turrets!?!? A monster of a cruiser! Good thing it had so many problems.

[@patrickmccrann991]

The U. S. Brooklyn class were also armed with 5 triple turrets of 6 inch (152mm) guns. They were a very successful design and the Cleveland class that followed were basically updated Brooklyns.

[@johncook3125]

Good video. Thanks

[@jeans.plescha1480]

Does anyone know the Firing Arcs for her Torpedoes?

[@rueguy378]

My grandfather was a crew member. He said he was shot by Grumman on the deck.

[@Largeportion1000]

Not that I don't believe you but the Grumman had 6x .50 cal this is a round that is the size of your thumb and a velocity of over 2,000 fps you just don't survive a direct hit and yes I have fired one for six years in the RAN from 86 to 91 load including AP APIT T and Ball

[@patrickmccrann991]

@@Largeportion1000 Hellcats were used to dive bomb in the later stages of the war. They would commonly strafe during the dive to suppress AA fire.

[@sandyopenchosky8928]

I didn't like this ship in steel oceans. It has to get to close to use its guns. You get killed by BBS that have a greater view range. Its OK in large battles sometimes its great. But in say 6 on 6 it dies quick. But it does have a lot of guns you can one shot a dd or some heavy cruisers. But that's rare.

[@carlosrivas1629]

You just described IJN cruiser line!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@b.griffin317]

life lession: LOX and Al don't mix.

[@sixsixteensevens297]

Everybody broke the treaty including USA as their ships were over allowed tonnage.

[@whispofwords2590]

But did anyone do it so blatantly and intentionally?

[@tonytrotta9322]

The Northampton Class Cruisers built in 1931 prior to WW2 were 500 tons under weight at 9,500 tons. After the war started these ships were modified to mount an arsenal of AA weapons, Adv. radar, and protection raising the full load to 14,500 tons.

[@juicemeister1984]

Except for britain they kept the treaty limit seriously while making exception, so they technically didn't fake/ignore anything about their ships complying with the treaty if someone can say otherwise then please do

[@eMercody]

@@juicemeister1984 Britain did stretch the rules, on the Nelson (I think) they omitted the weight of part of the torpedo protection as it was a void area filled with fluid. Apparently France strictly followed the treaty and even had some of the best treaty ships in the world.

[@eriknielsen]

My god,this video is a f.....sleepin'pill.

[@b.griffin317]

aluminum cruisers? OMG!

[@patrickmcleod111]

**Its time I finally tell the truth of how the Mikuma was sunk: It happened back during my days flying a Douglas Devastator torpedo bomber in the Pacific. My squadron took off from the Hornet, and headed into battle! I spotted the cruiser Mikuma, and dropped a torpedo a few hundred yards from her, but it was a dud. I realized I NEEDED to sink that cruiser somehow, so I flew back over the Mikuma, dropped to just 25 feet over its mast, and dropped a hand grenade into its stack! I quickly turned away, and heard a huge explosion. I felt the shockwave as my grenade started a fuel fire that immediately set off the magazines, and the whole ship blew up, splitting in half! Being an extremely humble person, I didn't want to take credit for sinking it. So I gave credit to the other members of my squadron.** Lol

[@nickfury3587]

I was your wingman in the other aircraft. This story is true. Good job mate!

[@diamonddog257]

My crew always remembers that ... thx again.

[@TheJKCrawford]

"Oh, good kill, Commander McBragg!" "Quite."

[@barnclebill6333]

I wonder the rate of fire between the 6 inch and the 8 inch guns ? And the range difference between the two guns? I know the punch would definitely would favor the 8 inch, could you use the argument that you could get more rounds on target more often? I just wondering if the refit to a larger gun worth it? Bill

[@fooman2108]

The U.S.S. Hull was fitted with a 'lightweight' 8-inch mount forwards the blast and shock of the gun firing led to the 'starved dog' look of her hull forwards of the super-structure. You mentioned the shock damage to the fourth fleet due to the gun blast, so the Japanese were not the only to make mistakes like that.

[@diamonddog257]

good series;

[@jeffrey8847]

Consider the need for Japan to get as many ships as possible. The old and obsolete state of their fleet of light cruisers keeping the triple 15.5 cm guns would have been better and using the freed-up guns and drydock space to build proper heavy cruisers instead of a halfway design.

[@stumpycatvm7115]

my Lexus is a light cruiser built like a heavy

[@riphaven]

Could be worse, it could of been made in china:-)))

[@russg1801]

So much for Japanese engineering prowess, eh? Remember that not long before in historical terms, Japan was having its warships built in British shipyards.

[@juri8723]

Russ G ok

[@wrongtrack6095]

As a woman of Japanese descent, I know there are very few things in Japan that are top heavy, this may have caused the Naval Engineers to desire something a bit larger up top. And failed to think of the sea keeping qualities. All I can say is men meh!.

[@homested92]

when will we get more?

[@navyreviewer]

Soooon.

[@lividtea2200]

+navyreviewer has it been soon yet?

[@JohnnyDogs1978]

@@lividtea2200 what about now?

[@shangri-leicht8923]

The mogami class is my favourite class of ships and the suzuya is my overall favourite ship

[@navyreviewer]

Cool. She had a pretty solid history.

[@joehuang8894]

Having the same still picture for the entire video stretches the meaning of a "video", more like a lecture.

[@linda1lee2]

1+18 in the AH game VITP

[@mirrorblue100]

Handsome ships but ever since the Yubari the Japanese tried to do too much on too little displacement.

[@jasonparrish9952]

Have you done anything on the Russian Navy

[@navyreviewer]

No. Not yet. Hopefully someday I'll get to them. As a "minor" navy they sure to deserve examination. Especially their submarine work in the baltic.

[@boboala1]

See how important treaties can be? I recommend taxes be increased NOW for all Americans (roughly $978 a year per family) to limit nuclear payloads to only 900 Mega-Trillion tons - enough to poison the Earth until Saint Patrick passes out - vs 100 Mega-Trillion tons. But what about the beasts living south of Borneo? What if they want to eat me? I'm scared again...so, more taxes = I feel safer! Thanks!

[@LostBeaver]

It seems like you're trying to make a joke but for the life of me I don't get it.

[@boboala1]

it's satire. Get this: 1 pound of Plutonium, if ground into fine dust and spread over the Earth, would cause 100% cancer for all people within 6 to 60 years! (Funny to hear from a Beaver as I'm currently writing a children's song/story called 'Beaver McBunny'! You've given me an idea for a 2nd book/chapter: McBunny and The Lost Beaver's Dam...? :)

[@prt464riv]

Surely would be a kindness to site the major gun bores in inches.

[@ronalddavis]

a 203 mm gun is basically an eight incher and a 155 is a six incher.

[@POLMAZURKA]

are you fluent in written Japanese?

[@navyreviewer]

No. The japanes navy isn't even my area of specialty. If you need something translated I recommend the folks at combinedfleet.com. remember that the pre and post surrender Japanese written language is different.

[@HokkaidoCEngineGalaxyExpressTh]

Maya tier 7

[@neonpeanuts8987]

I think you didn't do enough homework on this one. Good try though.

[@carlosrivas1629]

Aluminum hulls are very prone to fire, melting point much lower than steel.