NBA Over/Unders Part 3: The Celtics/Heat Divisions | The Bill Simmons Podcast

[@richi1235]

Celtics: 00:06 Knicks: 11:00 76ers: 19:25 Raptors: 30:26 Nets: 37:55 Magic: 43:24 Heat: 50:34 Hawks: 53:34 Hornets: 58:43 Wizards: 01:05:15 Player bets: 01:10:46 Finals Picks: 01:13:00 Locks: 01:13:34

[@connorfalla7960]

Thanks…The fact the ringer is a podcast factory and doesn’t have time stamps on their KZbin is head scratching

[@BlackJezuzBaby]

Thanks!

[@daviddunts7416]

I love this pod every year, you three are great together. 4.5 hours is not enough 😆

[@TheGreektrojan]

Just saying I'm all in on the investor relations segments. Its a winner.

[@hayzer9151]

I zoned out out and watched all 3 of these sitting at my kitchen table

[@Dnero518]

Heroin or Ketamine?

[@kaiferrall]

Amen

[@jeremyv8647]

"I think they can get up for Drummond" 🤣

[@modernway91]

To be fair, I remember a game where completely dominated the Celtics, when he was on the Pistons

[@untexan]

54:20 Russillo’s spite under with Atlanta had me dying

[@williamharris7849]

"100%. Great read"

[@sama2086]

Always the best podcast of the year. Thanks guys

[@Kabraxis8689]

Bill and Ryen missed the Lemon Pepper joke! Love it House!

[@Veggamattic]

So did I.

[@beefhammer270]

Hey it's the Boston division segment, I'm expecting to hear Bill's case on why the Celtics will get 74 wins this season

[@Cog1018]

He took the under!

[@gators9570]

@@Cog1018no he didn’t, House did

[@thewalruswasjason101]

He was fairly conservative actually

[@Flike245]

Gonna be a lot of high fives.

[@untexan]

I was hoping it would turn into a Superfans sketch. “I think they can get 85 wins.” “There are only 82 games in the season.” “Mazzulla will find a way!”

[@deeee4663]

Ryens cam Thomas bit has me crying 😂😂

[@Austinwhite918]

That raptors segment is an all timer 😂

[@bigheff517]

Strange number of raptors fans in the comments, and im assuming theyre raptors fans because there would be no other reason to think theyre not going to be terrible.

[@M-Cherian]

100% agree with Rusillo regarding Embiid. Much as i love Maxey, he can't be the only one with the right attitude and availability. Also, I prefer FIBA rules as well.

[@Sirdutcharlesthe63rd]

Love the takes on the 76ers with the Tyrese optimism and praise, and then just being over Joel.

[@Bu11rush33]

Bill saying “I wanna like Embiid” is so hilarious because the joy he gets bagging on him (and rightfully so) is palpable

[@freemoneyempire9745]

Russilo taking the under on Brooklyn was truly hilarious

[@mikekelly4542]

Nicest Ryen has ever been about the Knicks. Best pods of the year bar none

[@MLDoomsday]

On the raptors, the number is probably around 29.5 cause Scottie got injured and they blatantly tanked for a good month. Basically sat everyone. If they played with a full roster they’re at least a 30 win team.

[@dearmas9068]

Lol. K...

[@peterbrown8362]

@@dearmas9068 LOL. Learn things.

[@dearmas9068]

@@peterbrown8362 son, I know more about this sport than you ever will. I've forgotten more about ball than you will ever know. Typical Canadian cluelessness when it comes to basketball, lol...

[@jimsimonetti2929]

I think that raptors line is at 29.5 cuz they were tanking since their pick was top 6 protected and they sat their guys a bunch to try to get it up there.

[@Paul_pp]

Mazulla was the scapegoat for Smart. Smart made it impossible for Mazulla to coach the way he wanted to and he was in the way of the Jays taking over as the leaders. Smart was playing crunch time minutes over Derick White, if Mazulla wanted to play Dwhite then Smart would have had a melt down. I was tough on Mazulla at times but in my opinion the most important part of being an NBA coach is getting your players to buy in and play both sides of the court and Mazulla did that, going 16-3 in a playoff run.

[@kelvinlee7351]

yup. Smart is a great player but he has major flaws. It was sad to see him go but I'm glad we got Holiday for him

[@TheRulersBack18]

the sixers bit is funny if you sub out embiid and the sixers for tatum and the celtics (until last season). celtics consistently lost to teams with less talent than them, you had tatum and brown talking about individual goals and how they were shifting focus, etc...bc that's what players do. anyway, nothing the sixers do will matter until embiid either gets through an entire season and postseason healthy or they win a championship, so the points aren't invalid. just funny watching two celtics guys (who have rooted for the most talented team in the league since kd left the warriors, but have 1 whole championship in that span) talk about underachieving and misplaced focus

[@jakelovinger3632]

House trying to be subtle with those sideburns

[@evanwrenn402]

The Knicks had a negative net rating with Hartenstein off the floor last year.

[@dearmas9068]

In 2 years we will look back at the Knicks overpaying OG and losing Heart because of it as the first domino of their downfall.

[@The765Das]

Cam Thomas be pulling that bit huh lol

[@mrdylanja]

California Bill doing his 180 takes on Boston are just priceless. Nobody has more bad Boston takes than the LA guy.

[@conyeezy8027]

The raptors segment was hilarious . Good question though who was in competition with them to pay quickly all that money 😂😂😂 and scottie Barnes Iso to win the game is a nightmare 😂😂😂😂 not to mention the cam Thomas shot chucking is so true 😂😂😂😂

[@franksound6922]

You guys are really harsh on Toronto imo. Quickley is a valid bet by their FO. He is good and dedicated. If he can improve his handles and get better at attacking the rim, this contract is good. Barrett was the „throw in“ and his contract too high. He s from Toronto though and still pretty young. Also very mature person. By the time the Raptors become decent again, they can re-sign him on better deal. The Toronto segment was sloppy imo. … felt a bit, like the media punching bag has moved from NY to Toronto now and there s always a team that gets it from talking heads

[@UnprofessionalAthlete]

they will learn this year

[@bigheff517]

I'd take that bet, they're going to suck

[@JStack]

Canadian cope my favorite syrup flavor

[@btowhidi_1713]

Barnes and Gradey will take a major leap this season

[@franksound6922]

@@JStack i m not Canadian and i m not a Raptors fan

[@Shortballa11]

I'd say Jimmy Butler actually wasn't rewarded at all for taking the Heat to 2 finals. People dont consider him a top 10 or 15 player and he's not get a max extension. Imagine any other player in the league taking their team to the NBA finals twice and getting this little respect.

[@jimmyconway6172]

He didn’t get the extension due to his ages Pat Riley doesn’t like extending aging stars

[@TheJakeMarc]

"Embiid wanted no part of the ball in the Knicks series" How the hell did he manage to average 33 PPG then?

[@sama2086]

I think he's referring to the down the stretch/ in the crunch moments. His 4th quarter stats in that series were bad

[@TheJakeMarc]

@@sama2086 I mean, he could barely jump. His knee was shot. He had to keep getting his knee drained. Obviously he wasn't going to be able to perform well in 4th quarters. He even said as much to Maxey he could only go so long.

[@Walrus286]

@@sama2086down the stretch you don’t want to force feed the ball into a double teamed big that is at 50%. Man I get he’s had bad performances but Tobias Harris weighed down this team’s depth for years. Crazy to me that Embiid took the full brunt of the blame with a 180 million dollar player getting 0 points per game

[@NickMachado]

Free throws

[@TheRulersBack18]

@@NickMachado how does an 80+% ft shooter get fts without the ball?

[@danielduncan6370]

The way they speak about The Raptors proves they don’t actually watch any of these teams. They looked at their record last year with 25 games and just assumed they’d be worse. Not knowing that Scottie, RJ, Quickly AND Jakob didn’t play for HALF THE SEASON.

[@Andrew034]

23/24 Raptors with Barnes 22-38 23/24 Raptors with Quickley 12-26 23/24 Raptors with Barrett 11-21 (and that's with Barrett playing much better than he has ever really done in NY, which is unlikely to continue) They were on pace to barely get above 30 wins team even before the trades (with a better team), and their late-season tank brought them to 25, but it's not like there's any evidence that they would've won many of those games with their core guys. The reason RJ and Quickley only played half a season for them was because they gave up a better player for them, and Scottie still played 60 games. This team is awful and it's absurd how Toronto fans don't seem to realize it. It's like there's this weird Masai-cult thing going on, which is blinding hem to how bad his restructuring of this roster has been going back to the trade deadline two years ago.

[@TheRulersBack18]

@@Andrew034 problem is the raptors always have players that fans like in a vacuum (siakam, anunoby, barnes now), but the team's been less than the sum of its parts since the covid year, tbh. ppl were acting like nick nurse was god's gift to coaching, but they were mediocre two years after kawhi left. sixers got eliminated in the 2nd round like they always do. and to your point, masai's incredible job positioning them to pick up someone like kawhi, and then making the kawhi trade and winning a chip has given him a lot of cover for poor roster construction

[@peterbrown8362]

@@Andrew034 Yes, the roster sucks. But they went 2-17 in their final 19 in an obvious tank job.

[@pearson4068]

Rusillo is is really into Kispert.

[@anikahmed7326]

Bill is absolutely terrified of the Knicks

[@stewarthansen6592]

I think Charlotte will be the 10 seed and win 35 games.

[@kobedre4963]

I also belive charlotte is gonna be a play in team this year given if lamelo can play at least 80% of the season

[@themagicman225]

Doesn’t matter how many games lamelo plays. He’s not a winning player. If the hornets sniff 35 wins it will be due to Brandon Miller making a big sophomore leap. Which is possible.

[@JStack]

@@themagicman225oops

[@Shortballa11]

If LaMelo is healthy they are winning 41 games. Him and Brandon Miller are the new splash brothers for real.

[@Shortballa11]

@@themagicman225 and the lie detector test determined that was false. Lamelo played 51 and 75 games his first two years and the Hornets went 33-39 and 43-39 as play in teams. And then Lamelo played 36 and 22 the next two seasons and they went 27-55 and 21-61. kinda crazy the Hornets Wins and losses directly correlate to how much Lamelo plays.

[@daves9664]

why would you bring back those two guys? Were they supposed to let quickley walk?

[@FoodGuy55]

More like the Atlanta Locks amirite?

[@mctaguer]

Bill's gonna keep on saying "Porzingis in February" until it happens. I'll take the over/under on February, Bill: under.

[@peterbrown8362]

While I share their dour assessment of the Raptors roster, they failed to mention that the Raptors deliberately tanked the last 20 games of the season, which is why they finished with just 25 wins.

[@KevinJL]

Big House fan

[@iansullivan2736]

Russillo is right, Tatum did not get enough credit for all he did to help the Celtics win a title, outside of just scoring. Not getting the MVP was evidence of that, even though JB was awesome!

[@andrewa8533]

32 minute mark Russillo lifts up the cap and moves back the non existent hair, was he thinking about his old Jeep Wrangler (TJ) with its new coil suspension that was introduced in 1997? One could only speculate...

[@BigTex8332]

The nets section might've been the worst thing I've ever heard. Mikal Bridges averaged 15.6 points on 53% TS post All-Star break, but it was Cam Thomas' fault? Just say you don't watch Cam Thomas rather than whatever that was I just listened to

[@ineedsaltplease620]

Joe Maz love is hyperbolic

[@myvideos1479]

In Masai we trust. Btw Bill, the Raptors got better when they added Kahwii. Remember when you said the opposite?

[@Andrew034]

Masai, who decided to zag on what should've been an obvious firesale and gave up a first-rounder for Poeltl, didn't trade Van Vleet and let him walk, waited a year to long on the OG and Siakam trades getting back 50 cents on the dollar for them? That Masai? Good luck.

[@dearmas9068]

Nah man. Raps are REALLY bad. Barnes is an overrated, low-impact, stat stuffer. ...and Raps fans DESERVE this.

[@myvideos1479]

Yeah, that dumbass Masai only won a chip and drafted a ROY in the past 5 seasons. I guess he’s also to blame for discovering no names like Vanvleet and Siakim and turning them into all stars. What an embarrassment.

[@royals4lyfe]

2:33 what does Russillo say here?

[@travisallen7675]

From Houston 😂😂😂 referencing his accent from part 1

[@walterzarate4674]

So you arent sure Mikal’s run when he was first traded was real, but Cam Thomas fucked it up? Lol

[@walterzarate4674]

Oh yea russillo definitely does not watch the Nets lol

[@derek85581lj]

This is why the house always wins, so pretty much every good team they pick the over and every bad team they pick the under

[@ollytropics1735]

If you genuinely want to know whay happened to mikal in his second season look at the type of shots hes taking its very different from the first season and from his shot diet prior to his career. Beyond the fact hes taking more shots

[@sama2086]

different in what ways

[@ollytropics1735]

@@sama2086 biggest thing is where he takes his shots from and how the shots are being generate. I actually think with brunson and other ball handlers around him that he will return to form as the nets guy from the first season. Unless he isn't assertive enough to tell the other players to give him the ball

[@walterzarate4674]

@@ollytropics1735he cant dribble lol he’s going to be parked in a corner

[@ollytropics1735]

@@walterzarate4674 inaccurate

[@walterzarate4674]

@@ollytropics1735 cant wait till you’re proven wrong

[@conyeezy8027]

What does lock mean ?

[@TheGr8est11]

“i’ll bet my kids christmas im right on this one”

[@Shortballa11]

it means they are ready to lock in their bet before the season starts. Right now they are just talking about it. They still have a week

[@uthamanj]

The Hornets hate is crazy.

[@dearmas9068]

Its not crazy. They COULD be decent, but they need to prove literally anything before they deserve to be considered.

[@sauceunlimited]

Don’t appreciate the Charlotte slander Bang the over ✅

[@ortforshort7652]

Porzingis is out half a year and he has notoriously come back crippled for months after his injuries. Everything broke right for the Celtics last year. Especially in the playoffs where they played four teams that weren't expected to get out of the first round prior to the playoffs. Knocking the Celtics back only six games seems like a lock under bet. Admit it. The reason Simmons went over is he's a Celtics fan. Why bother explaining? The Knicks are better than the Celtics. For the Knicks, it's a nice fit of four starters. I believe that this core four was Leon Rose's wet dream four years ago. He was Brunson's and Towns' agent and he coveted Anunoby and Bridges as the perfect guys to fit with those two. And the fifth spot in the lineup is interesting because they can change their entire look depending on who they put in - Robinson for rim protection and rebounding, Hart for great defense and grit and he can shoot well enough, and McBride because he can create and shoot well from outside and play D. There is a lot of flexibility to play to the opponent's weakness. With Anunoby, Towns and Bridges around him, plus Kolek looks like the real deal as a reserve point guard, if Thibs keeps Brunson's usage rate as high as last year, he should be incarcerated. Towns will eat up New York, not be intimidated by it. He is a native from New Jersey. He also will have no pressure on him because there is just way too much talent around him for him to expected to carry the load like in Minnesota. Towns' natural game just fits in. If Embiid and George stay healthy, Philly winning it all wouldn't surprise anybody. Big If. Milwaukee was 44-21 when Giannis and Lillard were both in the lineup. That was NOT a failure. If they stay healthy, they are as tough as anybody. The next four can win playoff series if the top four are, at all, compromised by injuries. Cleveland, Indiana and Orlando are all very good teams. And, based on what Miami has done in the playoffs the last five years, as long as they have a healthy Butler, they can't be dismissed.

[@NickMachado]

Cope harder, buddy.

[@ortforshort7652]

@@NickMachado We'll see what happens this year but my take is that last year was a weird one-off

[@nolanmarshall3212]

We still listening to Bill Simmons and the Yes Men in 2024?

[@ercwtzl]

Are we sure Boston isn't going win every game?

[@ethanjoseph2474]

35:59

[@microwaves25]

Stop promoting sports betting. American sports and society is falling down a dark hole with this garbage.

[@MihoyMinoy-si8fb]

It’s really gross. Degeneracy of all kinds is being promoted by the media and by big money corporate interests. It’s sickening.

[@ivantop681]

Raptors aren't that bad.

[@jamesdrummond7684]

as a raptors fan, yes they are. the point remains, what the fuck is the plan. they're bad, but not bad enough to challenge for the best chance at pick 1.

[@davidstenner3136]

Lets tank for Cooper

[@Shortballa11]

@@jamesdrummond7684 Every lottery team has a chance for the number 1 pick. The Pistons been terrible and get the 5th pick every year. The lottery odds are too close for any of it to matter any more.

[@dearmas9068]

Theyre terrible and Raps fans deserve it.

[@Tom_TTT]

Raptors aren’t that bad. It’s obvious Americans don’t watch the team. Last year the win total was low because of injuries and tanking. Atlanta is a mediocre team who will trade Trae after they convey their pick to the Spurs. Not sure what Simmons is smoking but they aren’t a great team.

[@Andrew034]

Seems like Raptors fans are going to be the last ones to realize their team is awful.

[@1800LUNATIC]

Raps went 25-57 with scottie RJ IQ and Poeltl missing 90% of the last 20 games of the season

[@Andrew034]

They were 12-19 when they traded OG, then went 11-20 or so until they shut their guys down. Yes, they tanked at the end, but before tanking, they were basically on pace for a 30 win season. And that's with getting games from OG and Siakam, who are better than any Raptor player on the roster now (expect for Barnes, maybe). They are going to be awful.

[@dearmas9068]

Barnes is a low impact stat stuffer and Raps fans deserve to have a bad team.

[@1800LUNATIC]

@@Andrew034 I think unless they shut down the team they will break 30 wins. The east is horrible it’s really not a lot of wins at all. Scottie broke his hand last season and we instantly lost 16 games in a row, if he’s healthy they will be alright.

[@1800LUNATIC]

@@dearmas9068 Cavs fan? Lol idk why you’re upset

[@dearmas9068]

@@1800LUNATIC you couldn't possibly upset me, son.

[@Shortballa11]

Hornets take was irresponsible. In the two seasons Lamelo played most the games he made the play in. In the two seasons, Lamelo played 35 games or less the Hornets sucked. The correlation seems obvious. Him and Brandon Miller about to lite the league on fire.

[@Andrew034]

In the two seasons Lamelo played most the games they had a reasonably competent NBA team.

[@Shortballa11]

@@Andrew034 Brandon Miller is legit legit. Tre Mann looks like he could strive for sixth man of the year. Miles Bridges is the same Miles Bridges from those two years. Their only question mark is Mark being healthy at the C. What's the issue?

[@dearmas9068]

Nah, man. The Hornets have A LOT to prove before they deserve to be considered. They have talent, sure. Let's see it one time.

[@Shortballa11]

@@dearmas9068 I mean we saw them in the play in 2 years straight in Balls first 2 years. Then he got injured and played less than 40 games two years in a row. That was the issue.

[@TYLERORTIZ2021]

It was weird when they let the kid from the mismatch go but now I get it. Mf’s make good podcast but not good business decisions

[@btowhidi_1713]

Toronto gets no love lol

[@dearmas9068]

Deserves*

[@btowhidi_1713]

@@dearmas9068 just like your mom deserves a lot of love 😉

[@dearmas9068]

@@btowhidi_1713 typical Canadian response

[@Matty-vw8vw]

I'll bet none of Curly, Larry or Moe have ever set foot in Toronto

[@katza831]

Apparently they played a show at the Canadian national exhibition in 1962 in Toronto, had a whole Canadian tour

[@ShadowbanTheHedgehog]

They live in LA. They don’t respect the rest of California let alone the arctic circle 😂

[@NickMachado]

Nobody wants to step foot in Canada.

[@dearmas9068]

Maple Syrup Chicago is a cool city. I've had a lot of fun there. But the Raps are horrible, and Toronto fans deserve it.

[@DreDawg007]

Jimmy butler a hall of famer ?? Miss me with that

[@MatthewMedina-b7l]

He’s a lock. He was the best player on two different Finals teams. 6x All Star and 5x All NBA.

[@Jayhawk92]

Basketball hall of fame is the easiest to get into among the major sports. It's not exclusive to the NBA, so basically, any player that has a good career in the NBA is virtually guaranteed because of the level of competition

[@Shortballa11]

@@MatthewMedina-b7l and 5 all defensive teams

[@Shortballa11]

Vince Carter, Chauncey Billups and Michael Cooper just made the HOF and you dont thing Jimmy will be in? THats laughable

[@dearmas9068]

How could you NOT have Jimmy in the hall?

[@bobbyd1077]

Underrating Charlotte

[@Shortballa11]

yea they are going to look terrible cuz Charlotte is gonna be .500

[@Earl_E_Burd]

They treat House like a third wheel who's not even there

[@Shortballa11]

"Lemon Pepper Wings" went unheard lol

[@e3109781]

Did you guys forget the Bucks?

[@IanVidaurre]

Bucks are not in the Atlantic or Southeast Divisions

[@KevinJL]

Other video

[@dearmas9068]

Check part 2.

[@JonNelson523]

Nobody talks more and says less than Russillo

[@Paul_pp]

@6:00 Rusillo is so smug, The results are the results, of course winning the title changes things.

[@JoeD-gy7cx]

I think almost any coach could have won with that roster imo 🤷‍♂️

[@undiscoveredstars1002]

@@JoeD-gy7cx weird how many coaches haven’t won with better ones? Embiid couldn’t win with a prime horford. Giannis couldn’t with a prime holiday, suddenly they’re a super team coz Tatum is elite

[@JoeD-gy7cx]

@@undiscoveredstars1002 Tatum, Brown, Holiday, White & Porzingis. Yea, I’d say any coach could win with that. They were talking about Mazzulla being a mistake hire, now he’s the perfect coach 🤷‍♂️ Even Doc wouldn’t have choked with this team 🤣

[@undiscoveredstars1002]

@@JoeD-gy7cx hahahahahaha. Kp injured and holiday is 35 😭😭 you’re so mad. Embiid, harden, maxey, 2 mvps and didn’t even make a finals… luka had porzingis shipped out now he’s elite? Damn Tatum really does rise all boats aye, nice

[@JoeD-gy7cx]

@@undiscoveredstars1002 wtf are you talking about ? If anything Brown rises all boats. You really got a hard on for Tatum. All this ball washing is getting a little uncomfortable. 🤣🤣🤣

[@nathanharrison2839]

The thing in the east is I just don’t think the league offers any more resistance than it did last year. The Knicks will be tough I just think they are a class above. 63 wins

[@thewalruswasjason101]

Bwahahahahaha

[@dearmas9068]

The Knicks got worse this offseason. The Cavs, 6ers, and Magic got better.

[@kidcudi908]

Joe house sucks at podcasting

[@malcolmsawyer8555]

Why even do these? The Celtics are 82-0. And 16-0 in the playing off. No concerns at all. Lmso . Garbage

[@dearmas9068]

What is this comment?...

[@therealpeopleofvancouver]

Can't stand their Toronto hate. Barnes third year numbers are compostable to Jason Tatum. Can't wait to for them to eat crow on the raptors. Scottie Barnes hit more clutch shots than Siakim. Three hours of glazing sub par teams to crap on developing teams. Unsubscribe and not going to listen to this for awhile.

[@sama2086]

Not that deep man and even if you like the team you gotta admit Scottie RJ and IQ are expensive compared to what they've shown thus far. Knicks traded the latter two for a reason

[@devxplayerdevelopment]

lol. Let me guess… you’re a Raptors fan? Any unbiased person will tell you Toronto is as mid as it gets in the East. Barnes is a good #3 on a contender, not a #1, and neither is Quickly or RJ.

[@NickMachado]

Ah yes, I remember when they said siakam was better than brown but Scott Barnes? Tatum is a top 5 player, stop it.

[@Veggamattic]

@@NickMachado Huh

[@dearmas9068]

Barnes is a low impact stat stuffer. Toronto is really bad, and Raps fans deserve it.