🚨 Stephen A., Perk & Shannon DISAGREE during KD legacy debate 🚨 | First Take

🚨 Stephen A., Perk & Shannon DISAGREE during KD legacy debate 🚨 | First Take
On First Take, Stephen A. Smith, Shannon Sharpe and Kendrick Perkins debate whether Kevin Durant joining the Golden State Warriors did more harm than good for his legacy.
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[@Henry_Smith_862]

Golden State won Before him and won After him.

[@tyronpouncey5985]

Facts

[@datsapaddlin]

Well they both done winning now. It’s the younger guys time

[@lacosa24x]

Golden state won because Kyrie and love were hurt next season bron beat them in 7 then they needed KD

[@Bitterman-777]

Unless something changes quick, Garbage State is looking at a decade long rebuild with a new GM

[@MindfulAttraction2.0]

Yeah, but let's be real. They were not going to beat LeBron's team. LeBron was just a complete mismatch for that team. Without Durant, LeBron wins at least two more

[@CoolTy23]

Anytime KD has to LEAD, he’s unhappy 🙄

[@brandonwilliams9560]

Everyone can't be a leader.

[@upholstery1995]

Haha basically

[@CoolTy23]

@@brandonwilliams9560 that’s why everyone (KD) can’t be in the GOAT conversation

[@yajvwj]

Becuz he's not the bus driver😅

[@iamtheonlywilly]

🤔🤔🤔

[@starbucks583]

KD should just work a 9-5. How tf you unhappy. You play ball and make millions. Come be unhappy with us 9-5ers.

[@mohammeddiakite2605]

That's what I be saying couldn't agree more @starbucks583😂

[@kjjr3270]

You speak a lot for someone who doesnt know him. If you are struggling in life thats on you, figure it out yourself.

[@robliberachi]

@@kjjr3270 aren’t you doing the same?

[@YuniqueMane9776]

Huh! I am guessing the quote "money doesn't bring happiness" went over your head!"

[@Disxreet]

@@kjjr3270you’re literally doing the same thing. Dickhead

[@ashamsthomas2490]

Without the stint in Golden State...Kevin Durant is no different from Carmelo Anthony

[@ebwonstia]

Wrong!!! More like Malone, Ewing, barkley, and Nash. Carmelo is nowhere near that level

[@abelsoto1252]

@@ebwonstia KD is higher than those guys too tho.

[@SagaTheFunniest]

More like Allen Iverson but better

[@giiotm8272]

Except KD has like 4 more scoring titles, a MVP & actually took his team to the Finals as the best player.. lmao.

[@ETP1287]

You don’t know ball loser

[@ragnarwillz4115]

I'll say this. The 2 rings KD won in Golden State did more for Curry's legacy than they did his own.

[@edwardcoward1062]

It didn't as the warriors were already going to win. They were tops in offense and defense the years pre kd. They had already beat the cavs for 1 ring. They had a 75% head to head win rate against the healthy cavs while the warriors were healthy (minus steph) over that span. Kd joined in on a forgone conclusion and steph would still have 4 rings 2 mvps.

[@ragnarwillz4115]

@@edwardcoward1062 they had beaten a cavs without their second and third best players. You may not put it in that context but i definitely do. And then I watched the Cavs beat them the following year. No one knows who wind in 17 & 18 if KD stays put, it could have even been the thunder.

[@edwardcoward1062]

@ragnarwillz4115 you're purposely avoiding what I stated. I stated the warriors were tops in offense and defense for those 2 seasons. Please list the teams in all of nba playoff history who were ranked lower in both (rating) categories compared to their opponent and won. I really want you to find this answer for me bc it seems you are trying to overlook the significance of this. I stated the warriors had a 75% head to head win percentage against those cavs when they were healthy and all parties not named steph on the warriors healthy. This holds true even in the 2016 finals. With just steph injured the warriors were up 3-1. It wasn't until iggy, bogut also got injured and green got suspended that the cavs started coming back. Think about it. It took 4 of the 6 top warriors getting injured or suspended for a game including their best player for it to go 7. No one knows what would happen but it's dang sure way more likely that the warriors continue to win. Unless you're saying they'd get 4/6 of their top players injured, suspended for a game again in 2017 and 2018.

[@Kwasi-kc5ej]

Nah. Steph would still have 2 rings without KD and he'd be a FMVP. KD would be Melo🤷🏾a glorified scoring machine with no chips

[@ragnarwillz4115]

@@Kwasi-kc5ej i said did more not defined his legacy

[@jimihendrix5195]

Mistake to join them? No. It was a mistake to leave them mfs.

[@alijordanx8954]

That’s proof he’s not a real champion

[@urbaindelva7869]

​@@alijordanx8954Says who?

[@dontbotherme9009]

⁠@@urbaindelva7869says non casual fans

[@chrisdamon1096]

Paper champion 🗞️📜

[@jasonkamron]

He should go back...seriously though

[@777RL]

He should have stayed with the Warriors. It was a dumpster fire with the Nets and becoming a circus with the Suns.

[@johnsepulvedacruz6428]

Absolutely, what made It worse was he left and the Warriors won with less help

[@hoodie_dro5008]

Yea wouldn’t have mattered if he wasn’t as popular as Steph or even klay there at the time

[@russenterprise6502]

Harden going to Houston cost them a dynasty in OKC

[@russellwestbrookyellingatw9381]

Nah

[@russellwestbrookyellingatw9381]

​@@russenterprise6502 no

[@geelamont4930]

They did Perk dirty with the avg 5 and 5😂

[@JP-jd8wr]

How? It's his numbers. You nerds care too much about stats.

[@leelee-uq5ui]

laughing at 5 and 5 while working 5 to 5 is dirty

[@r.m.90]

Got paid millions for it too.

[@MnJ850]

If you’re a starter on a championship team idc what stats u had. Playing with 4 hof players it’s hard to get numbers

[@muganthediamondlion7506]

That double single hit different

[@cellthegreat4365]

JOHNNY GILL IS THE BEST COMPARISON I EVER HEARD FOR KD

[@kgkg4118]

Most ppl watching this probably have no idea who Johnny is.....

[@jamiethomas5849]

It’s really one of the most accurate comparisons period

[@NotExplicable]

​@@kgkg4118Get on the floor

[@Ysoserious1]

I agree, I was like, *HELL NAW* that's a excellent comparison 😂

[@cellthegreat4365]

@@Ysoserious1 exactly and I use to be a KD fan perk finally had a good take

[@NeilTruick]

Going to GS is not a negative for KD based on the impact to his legacy. What has happened _AFTER_ going to GS is going to have a greater negative effect on his legacy than him being there. Even more so, the fact that GS was able to win a championship _AFTER_ KD left pretty much removes KD from any GOAT conversation. He's a two-time champion, a two-time Finals MVP, an Olympic gold medalist, and a first-ballot Hall of Famer. For many, that résumé should be enough. I don't understand why there is an insistence on elevating him to levels he just doesn't reach based on what he's accomplished.

[@marleycoldburr]

Kevin Durant being Johnny Gill is hilarious

[@Nostalgia9478]

Kds ONE finals appearance with OKC did more for his legacy than his two BUS RIDER Chips with the Warriors Never shouldve left OKC

[@BaithNa]

Wow, you sound bitter, kid 😂 Future generations and historians aren't going to care about any of that. They'll see the rings, the accolades and the highlights. That's all that matters for KDs legacy.

[@Nostalgia9478]

@@BaithNaWow, you sound bitter and delusional, Grandma 🤣😀🤡 Theyll also see the video of Draymond humiliating KD by telling him "We dont need you. LEAVE" and the record books showing the Warriors won before and after him. Meanwhile, KD the Bus Rider never won without his PAPA Steph Cry more 🤪😀🤣😅🤡💯💯💯

[@Disxreet]

@@BaithNabullshit

[@rrichmond14]

​​@@BaithNathey won't. That decision to leave will taint those 2 chips. Especially how he jumped ship

[@lorddj9910]

@@BaithNalmao copium on 1000 nobody even respects his rings right now goofy

[@Because_Truth_Matters]

He has two titles because he ran from the GRIND. What has KD done after he left Golden State? Giannis beat him.Tatum and the Celtics wept him. Jokic sent him home. Anthony Edwards and the Timberwolves swept him🤣😎🙆😭. Y'all say he's skilled and unguardable. Is he though? When dudes play defense on him KD QUITS. He's always running from the GRIND. And he's always played with Hall of Fames only.

[@urbaindelva7869]

What exactly is "the grind"? A lot of fans like you say it, but I doubt that you actually have a clear definition of what it means.

[@specialuser3455]

He means that KD’s history has shown that he cant stay with a team for at least 5+ years (other than OKC), and work with that organization through their losses and problems, rather he prefers to “team hop”. Mark of a great player is one, despite problems, tries to work with the players and organization, taking leadership and trying to help guys get better, not that KD doesnt make his team better. He is a extreme talent, however besides GSW, which was pretty stacked, he’s only carried a team to the finals once. Not to mention he’s been hopping 3-4 four teams in past couple years. Lebron is a good example; for his first stint in Cleveland, he played for 8 years, he did go to Miami, and did win their with a stacked team, HOWEVER, prior to Miami took his Cavs to the finals numerous times, and he has won a chip after Miami as well; w the Lakers and Cleveland again. With how bad Lakers are doing he could have opted for a trade or even within the time of his first stint in Cleveland but he stayed; that’s the mark of a great player.

[@oneangryblackman]

"...weakest move by a superstar ever..."

[@19871987kb]

Yep

[@19871987kb]

Demar Derozan could of gone to that Warriors team and won a ring ,Durrant didn't prove anything in Golden state weaaak

[@jdagreat4595]

Nah lebron move to join bosh and wade was

[@metalnitro99]

@@jdagreat4595 Lebron created a super team, KD joined one.

[@dwaynejones9074]

Why are we talking about this during the playoffs?

[@ultimategamer8330]

Cos lakers and warriors are sitting at home like the rest ofnus

[@swqueen03]

To distract people from the Laker woes because Lebron was a topic last week but since then they’ve redirected fans attention to Kevin Durant.

[@jvtopflight796]

Because media need KD Bron and Steph

[@KhabirBey]

NARRATIVES HAVE RUINED SPORTS

[@QuanPookie]

But it’s good for social media.

[@dontrellmayfieldjr2868]

Facts💯

[@ONGEES]

Best comment!!!

[@WarBucs]

I can't agree with that narrative/stories elevate the game in most cases I think you mean fake narratives ruin sports

[@KhabirBey]

@@WarBucs Appreciate The Correction You’re Absolutely Right.

[@Realest1ne]

“Durant-ing & Raving” How many times y’all gonna use that? Lol

[@sibonisoduma5878]

Ya that's kinda old.😂

[@sean24833]

I was the biggest critic of KD decision to go the Warriors. But i also said that he should've stayed there and rack up as many championship as possible by the 4th ring he wouldve changed people minds.

[@russellwestbrookyellingatw9381]

Nah he def should've left gsw if he wanted any respect.

[@sean24833]

@@russellwestbrookyellingatw9381 bro if he got 4 FMVP he would've gotten his respect

[@Nostalgia9478]

Nope. Hed always be looked at as a Bus Rider in Golden State Even 5 rings wouldnt have changed peoples minds Curry would always be looked at as KDs DADDY

[@8MunchenBayern8]

NO ONE would've cared about those bs stacked rings. Imagine if Kobe lost to the Celtics in 08 then won titles with them after joining them in the summer. Literally NONE of you would have let that go.

[@adeadele-nz6xt]

Nope hes not going to get respect for staying ...yall wanted him to leave and he did , now yall killing him again for leaving lol . The problem i have with KD is he cared too much about what ppl think about him,dts why he made dat stupid decision to come out and play against toronto dt ended in disaster .u cnt please everyone in dis world ,just do whatevr makes u happy .

[@abelsoto1252]

Perk sometimes be talking a lot without saying anything

[@kingofkings3477]

This definitely isn't one of those times.He spoke straight facts about K.D

[@TheVegeta90]

The tarnishment on KD to me is that the team he left beat the team he hot swept by(Golden State vs. Boston). When he was in Brooklyn.

[@SojiRo23]

KD was playing his best ball with the Dubs. Leaving was a mistake. It definitely hurt his legacy.

[@lorddj9910]

Him going there killed his legacy what do you mean?

[@-RJhay]

u on a drug boi joining them already killed his legacy no respect at all he doesn't deserved that 2 titles it was given not earned.

[@slowodanx]

@@-RJhay lmao the logic of a subhuman brainless 12 year old.

[@keithdior1657]

​@@-RJhaysays the key board warrior easy for you gotta play n do it at the end of the day. 🤡

[@TrivellRamey]

It literally hurt his legacy when he joined them

[@gabrielgolden8544]

Nobody respects Kevin’s rings, that’s the problem

[@EliasZ-yy3gc]

I certainly don't!. I lost all respect for him as a basketball player when he joined the warriors. And that's all I remember him for

[@whitepowda1]

KD's rings are made of wood. The rest of Warriors have platinum, diamonds and gold.

[@hdeodh]

KD's move to GSW was the best situaiton for him and that is one of the reason he was so successful.. All he had to do was hoop, there were other people that took care of the other parts.. I think the blowback and media was one of the reason he left... I think the best team right now for KD is the Knicks.. All he has to do is play basketball.. Brunson does the leadership part.

[@Chingiee69]

Kd is top 10 all time talent, maybe top 5. But he’s at best top 15 “greatest” ever maybe even top 20 as years go by. You could make the argument that guys like joker and giannis are already ahead of him despite only 1 ring because even tho KD has two, his were by joining a stacked team that won before and after him. And kd doesn’t have the multiple mvps (and dpoy in the case of giannis).

[@adeadele-nz6xt]

Giannis looked up to KD , KD body at work in basketball is on another level . He might finish top 5 in all time scoring if he continue playing without any long time injury . Its not all about rings or mvps my guy . Kobe got only one MVP does that mean giannis and joker already greater than him ??

[@jacobscholtissek2410]

@@adeadele-nz6xt accumulative scoring means nothing, his flaw is he isnt a leader and for the top 20 Player being a leader is important as accolades.

[@keithdior1657]

Who cares about you stupid theory it isn't fact. Fact is he has more rings than both of them. now sit down with your blah blah mumbo jumbo u have no point 😂

[@tsflnation]

KD isn’t top 10.

[@edwardcoward1062]

Not joining a stacked team. It's by joining curry. Curry is one of 3 players all time to win multiple rings without another top 75 player on his team.

[@nserekoraymond8593]

Monday & Tuesday shows are the best with Shannon on. He brings great energy

[@jokersmoker5450]

S.A.S does so much moonwalking, he must have been a MJ fan growing up.

[@mikeedayrit4068]

​@@isaiahwatkins1502 michael jackson not jordan lmao

[@whatyoutalkinbout71]

I remember being in middle school when KD made that movie Thunderstruck and I just loved the guy. Was one of my favorite players growing up until he made arguably the weakest move in history.

[@keithdior1657]

Cry more 😂

[@whatyoutalkinbout71]

@@keithdior1657 didn’t cry was just disappointed in the coward move

[@datsapaddlin]

He was never gonna get the same love the Warriors big 3 got because he wasn’t home grown. He just helped build up on their legacies more than his own.

[@Nostalgia9478]

HUGE mistake Never shouldve left OKC KD shouldve just worked behind the scenes to get WestBRICK traded NOBODY can win with that guy, not even Ty Lue lol

[@symbarh]

Ty Lue and KD haven't won anything either. lol

[@Nostalgia9478]

@@symbarhToo bad reality vehemently disagrees with you, WestBRICK STAN lol

[@symbarh]

@@Nostalgia9478 ooh cupcake fan

[@Nostalgia9478]

@@symbarh ooh cupcake fan!! Try and make it make sense, BRICKBrook fangirl lol

[@Hopper830]

Getting away from Westbrick was never a mistake. Even Lebron hated playing with him.

[@adeadele-nz6xt]

Did KD tell one of this guys that hes not HAPPY ??? I dont understand all this topics with KD when there lots of other things to talk about

[@Crow44music]

if he stays w GSW he retires w 5 rings 4 finals mvps steph ends w 6 rings both looked at as top 10 maybe top 5 all time and best duo of all time but nahh instead kd left cuz draymond made him salty lol

[@StankyLegggs-nr6gj]

If if if.....

[@PeterJustGames]

I think people would have eventually forgiven him for joining the Warriors if he stayed and stacked rings and Finals MVPs. If he had say 4 rings and 4 Finals MVPs, everyone would have to acknowledge that he was the driving force in those Finals and they would give him a lot of the credit instead of Steph.

[@StankyLegggs-nr6gj]

@@PeterJustGames I'm pretty sure Durant loses sleep over a bunch of emotional idiots 💩🥺👈

[@randomthought6681]

KD = 4 scoring titles = 10 scoring titles

[@user-cs1pi8zg1n]

Different era and Jordan was a volume shooter

[@randomthought6681]

@@user-cs1pi8zg1n yes an era of the big man in the middle. The era when it was frowned upon to think a 6’6 guard could lead anyone to the promise land. The era when he came to a drug infested moribund franchise with no hope. The era when getting to the hoop meant fighting through hand checking, All to confront a power forward and and center waiting in the middle. Also the era where he once scored 37 a game and shot very little 3 pt shots. Not the era of the red carpet ride to the paint with Rudy Gobert , a soft azz lightskinned French guy who got choked by Draymond. Also Jordan averaged around 48-50% shooting from the field as a 6’6 210 lb guard. Thank you for your contribution to this conversation.

[@Gk54493]

Bro hasn’t played in over two decades but you grown men are obsessed with him and constantly bring him up. That’s mad weird and sus.

[@randomthought6681]

@@Gk54493 "Bro" Muhammed Ali hasn't fought in over 40-50 years but people recognize him as the greatest as well. Is that "weird" and "sus" as well, "brah"? Wayne Gresky hasn't played a hockey game in over 30 years and he's widely recognized as the greatest..is that "weird" and "sus" as well, "bro"? Just curious "bro" (gotta love the Gen Z'rs) 🤣

[@leetraviusmckay314]

"man I couldn't stay in my house 10 hours straight" 😂

[@ryanhumor]

KD let TV Bums convince him that the Bay Area didn’t love him. smh. The Bay Area had/has BIG LOVE for KD. He was welcomed and IS welcomed at anytime. #35 in the Rafters🫡🏆

[@seunstealth]

Some of those people now say he shouldn't have left. 🤦🏾‍♂

[@ryanhumor]

@@seunstealth right !?

[@PeterJustGames]

How many iconic moments did KD miss out on by leaving the Warriors? If he stayed with the Warriors, I think we can all agree that he would have won at least 2 more rings. Imagine how many great moments and shots he would have had in those playoff runs? Now we will never know or witness it because he left the Warriors and hasn't had a significant playoff run since then.

[@bpach8919]

Ever since KDs mom talk to SAS he goes soft on him lol

[@choppabrown3741]

KD should’ve just ignored everyone and stayed in GS winning more titles cause everyone is killing him for still not winning a championship after leaving GS

[@apthagreat28]

Kd the Greatest offensive player to ever touch a basketball? Perk got a good coke man 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣😂

[@Djalexander0521]

He doesn’t need to win anything else. He’s an mvp and champion you don’t need to listen to them KD. These narratives are ridiculous. Remember why you play the game for the love of it. You’ve won now go be happy wherever you want to be

[@carlostevezsmith1838]

Can't these shows come up new fresh topics to discuss. Could have sworn I've spoken about this a million times already

[@gokilokis]

Moving to GSW was a chess move by KD and Leaving GSW was an emotional decision. Making a decision on the sole basis of emotion can be detrimental to a man's career.

[@jasonpompey6731]

He could have been in the goat convo if he stayed. The criticism wouldn’t matter after the 4th ring and finals mvp..

[@mrrickstur]

@@jasonpompey6731 people who don’t like thinking critically would believe that lol

[@mrrickstur]

Moving to GSW definitely wasn’t a chess move.

[@jasonpompey6731]

@@mrrickstur your opinion doesn’t matter regarding a championship. A ring is a ring

[@mrrickstur]

@@jasonpompey6731 lol sure, you can go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better. I’m guessing you believe that Bill Russell is better than MJ as well because “11 is more than 6” but to each their own lol

[@Moooo1666]

Where are the Dallas talk?

[@deonh79]

"where ARE the Dallas talk?" good lord

[@DeloFFF]

🥱

[@JP-jd8wr]

You NEED to hear their opinions on the game? Did you not watch it or something? Lol

[@deonh79]

@@JP-jd8wr your syntax off bro.

[@khad9675]

Funny thing about this convo is that why no one questions curry. He blew a 3-1 lead in the finals and recruited KD messed up the league for 3 years and no one says anything 😂

[@DenniDownBad]

I think it's mostly because KD ultimately made the decision. KD had other suitors. Boston, San Antonio, New York, Washington, etc. Hell, worse case scenario you even run it back in OKC but KD chose the 1 team that would damage his legacy the most. No one would've been highly upset with him leaving OKC besides OKC fans but the fact that he left for the team that he and his team BLEW A 3-1 LEAD TO is undoubtedly weak. I don't blame Steph or the rest of the Warriors for the recruiting pitch to KD in general because other teams would have too but I do acknowledge the potential unfair advantage they had in recruiting KD by seeing him in the Hamptons immediately after the Championship Loss.

[@drlee2]

@@DenniDownBad Exactly. This is why a comparison to LeBron joining Miami isn't the same. LeBron didn't join the Celtics after he lost to them in 2010. He instead joined a franchise that could get him the tools to beat the Celtics and get over the hump and back to the Finals, which the Heat did in both 2011 and 2012. Plus, the Heat weren't a superteam until LeBron went there to team up with Wade and Bosh.

[@khad9675]

@@drlee2 no one is talking about lebron, you guys make me sick lol

[@odog402]

that New edition Johnny Gil reference is spot on 😆🤣😆🤣

[@resurrectedainu6751]

Mistake was leaving golden state. Was a spiteful superficial move.

[@crockerakahops90sjumpmantexas]

The mistake was joining the warriors

[@choppabrown3741]

@@crockerakahops90sjumpmantexasNah he shouldn’t have left

[@lorddj9910]

@@choppabrown3741yes it was his biggest mistake joining GS, even he knows it deep down

[@crockerakahops90sjumpmantexas]

@choppabrown3741 Nah it was a coward move. As a man you can't be carrying yourself through life like that and taking the easy route because you're not successful when you do that.

[@theronhuggins]

@@crockerakahops90sjumpmantexasas a man ? Lol this is basketball. Name of the game is to win stfu with that take the high road mentality.

[@JP-jd8wr]

He should have stayed with GS

[@briannaspeezy4258]

Good analogy using New Edition

[@KentonIGuess]

It tarnished his legacy but leaving and never making it back to the finals with the nets and suns has tarnished his legacy even more. At this point he should have stayed with the warriors and dealt with Draymonds trash talk.

[@user-js7mo3wy4z]

So he’s penalized for being the best player on a championship team. That’s like a dude joining the 96 bulls and being better than MJ but it’s discredited lol

[@doubleeph8920]

Stop it! KD got his numbers because Steph sacrificed for him to be successful. KD became the primary scorer but he wasn't what the team tick, that was Steph!

[@Nostalgia9478]

Why are you pretending that KD the BUS RIDER was the best player on the Warriors?? If he was, Draymond wouldnt have told him to "GTFO , we dont need you" Draymond was proven right when they won without him in 2022 lol

[@immortalfit]

Soo much is wrong with the whole argument. Let’s look at the KD warriors vs lebron’s cavs match ups. Steph vs Kyrie … even but give the edge to Steph, kd vs lebron… even but give the edge to lebron… klay vs Kevin love… even both were laser 3 pt shooters, klay was better at 3s love did more defensively. How was this a forgone conclusion . The fact that even lebron saw it as a forgone conclusion shows he’s not the goat

[@ABasedTohan]

It’s revisionist history, people in the moment were calling that series a 50/50

[@Nostalgia9478]

73 win team adds KD isnt a foregone conclusion??? lmaoo Sure thing, buddy Kareem is my GOAT, and I have MJ over Bron all time, but you need to calm down with the hate, LeSkippy Bayless Jr lol

[@Charlie2timez]

You managed to make this about LeBron. Burn those knee pads, champ.

[@immortalfit]

@@Nostalgia9478 not gonna lie , I do hate on lebron as a basketball player. The way he try’s to control the narrative. He is the drake of the nba. When he was in the east, the sixers were tanking , giannis was a rookie, the Celtics were rebuilding. As soon as those teams were up , he dipped . Lebron has never won without a super team and the odds stacked in his favor, the nba blessed him when he came back 3-1 and kyrie had to close it for him, and the bubble is the sorriest championship ever.

[@immortalfit]

@@Charlie2timez the thumbnail is about the kd warriors, and this is an espn video. When is it ever not about lebron and the lakers?

[@skyMcWeeds]

KD's legacy as per Chuck " A BUS RIDER "

[@euro51116]

KD gets all the hate and people calling his rings weak (rightfully so), but no one hesitates saying that Steph is a four time champ when half of them are the very same rings.

[@abdulrahamanawudu2096]

If Steph only had those two titles with KD then you would have a point but clearly Steph is good enough to win without KD's help. KD is struggling to accomplish what he only could while on Steph's team.

[@euro51116]

@@abdulrahamanawudu2096 Everyone says that, but the fact is that doesn't matter. Steph has the backing of being drafted to the one of the greatest teams of all time that was able to surround him with a perfect core his age, who all started peaking at the same time. Thats just draft luck and reflects nothing on the player individually, other than their ability to maximize off of it. Not to say KD was unlucky clearly because OKC was also good, just never good enough and they made some key mistakes along with some injuries that cost them their window. Warriors are equally complicit as KD, they recruited him and got to solidify their legacy (even before 2022) with those same weak rings. You can't call yourself a dynasty with just 2015 and 2022.

[@abdulrahamanawudu2096]

@@euro51116 This is hindsight. KD was drafted to a team that drafted two other top 5 picks back to back after him. The warriors weren't good when Steph got there. Klay was the 11th pick and Draymond was a low 2nd round pick. It's like saying Jokic and Giannis were drafted to great teams just because they won. You can't use the results to now take credit away when nobody even thought they were contenders before they broke out and won. The warriors aren't complicit in anything because like I said earlier, every team wanted KD. KD also gave out a list of teams he wanted to talk to. He was the decision maker not the warriors. Them being a dynasty or not isn't relevant because we're just talking about winning.

[@euro51116]

@@abdulrahamanawudu2096 Im not taking credit away, just adding context. And of course its hindsight, the whole topic is retrospective isn't it? Nothing you've said removes GSW from the same criticism as KD for getting easy rings. We can only criticize what happened, you can't excuse weak moves because "any other team wouldve done the same". Regardless, KD was the best player and difference maker, as well as the biggest reason they won those years as handily as they did. Even if he wasnt considered the leader, it was a team that had natural chemistry, shared leadership, and prided itself on team ball and strength in numbers anyway, unlike the Lebron Cavs or Kobe Lakers. If GSW in 2016 really was the best team of all time they could have decided they didnt need him, but they actively recruited him after the embarassment of the finals. All im saying is that its hypocritical of media and fans to only give KD all the criticism meanwhile letting GSW essentially get ALL the benefit and prestige of being 4 time champs when half of them were the same rings they question KD for. Are we supposed to believe that GSW still win in 17' and 18' no matter what ? Either criticize both the team and player for breaking the league, or give them both the respect they deserve for what they did in those years.

[@abdulrahamanawudu2096]

@@euro51116 If KD was the reason he should be able to replicate it somewhere else, no? We both don't know what would've happened those 3 years and frankly it makes no sense to decline KD just to prove that they were the best team. You can't give both sides the same criticism or praise because one side did not need the other to win. Feel free to disparage the two chips with KD but they still have two without him so what does it change? They would still be champs. All KD needs to do to stop people questioning those two rings is to win elsewhere to prove he also didn't need the warriors to win.

[@jordanferguson124]

KD is the worst elite player to have to lead ur team to a championship 💯 he will never be in the goat conversation until he wins on his own

[@tahnite]

He called that ninja Johnny Gill 🤣

[@Mike-hy8cs]

You cant really say kd would never got a ring without golden state. If he stayed with okc who knows maybe they beat golden state the following year and beat cavs.

[@isaiahwatkins1502]

lmfao stop it

[@basheerumar9615]

How many times are we going to keep talking about this ffs?

[@judon4908]

That New Edition comparison was excellent

[@busydem6161]

Love the New Edition analogy Go Ronnie, Bobby , Ricky, Mike and Ralph and Johnny Go Draymond, Steph, Clay, and Kevin

[@nanobluelectrobuzz9227]

If KD joining the Warriors was a mistake, then LeBron joining the Heat was a mistake as well hurting his legacy too. Keep it equal. Both were super teams.

[@Milehigh_]

True but KD's move was worst because he joined the team that beat him and Golden State was a stacked team already, Lebron going to Miami was the 2nd weakest move to me after Durant's, the Heat still had competition in the finals, no team stood a chance against Golden State with KD in the finals unless an injury happened in which it did

[@nanobluelectrobuzz9227]

@@Milehigh_ I beg to differ. I think D-Wade, Ray Allen Bosh and their bench was stacked. In fact I would trade the Miami Heat team for that Warriors team in a heartbeat. Both were super teams.

[@Milehigh_]

@@nanobluelectrobuzz9227 Golden State was more unstoppable than Miami, The Heat lost to San Antonio & Dallas, the Warriors only lost to Toronto due to KD & Klay's injuries

[@nanobluelectrobuzz9227]

@@Milehigh_ That’s why Jordan is the GOAT. He basically had Pippen as only other high profile player who a lot of points. The rest of his team were just okay at scoring and played decent defense.

[@nanobluelectrobuzz9227]

@@Milehigh_ Any player who joins a super team should be looked at in the same way. I like KD so I can see your point of view. The Heats and Warrior losses doesn’t really matter. It’s about not having a super team. With 2 player and decent team like the Nuggets for example. The Nuggets aren’t a superteam yet they win like a superteam. That’s how I feel at least.

[@wishiknewaname9307]

KD should’ve stayed in Golden State and when he left should’ve went to the Knicks instead of Brooklyn.

[@BuddahHass2360]

Why are they talking about him when you have 8 teams in the playoffs, who cares about KD

[@KMM5821]

They know it will get attention because LeBron fans,curry fans and KD haters will enjoy this

[@OnlyTheReal13]

Big Perk loving Unc analogies 😂

[@Jayballinallday]

Now they saying Kevin Durant should have stayed on the Warriors. The Whole World wanted KD to leave the warriors.

[@trellmix1970]

The johnny gill comparison was spot on

[@fcc950]

Still talking about this

[@ABasedTohan]

4:34 the cap is ridiculous they were young now?

[@jameskent836]

Yes it was a mistake. Curry is a coward too for running to get Durant. They both ruined their legacies they stacked the deck and nobody will care they won 2 together as time goes on.

[@Livingmiracle_]

Are we really saying that lebron won that Cleveland ring by himself????!!!!! Bra 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@abzda1700]

No one else on the team has come close to winning

[@sinarch4025]

He should have been better and won more. Its hard ranking my own list to separate KD from Kawhi. Same amount of chips, same finals mvps, 1 mvp for KD, 2 DPOY for Kawhi, one is an elite scorer of all time, one is an elite defender of all time. Both lead teams and/or stood out on good teams to win finals mvp. Both should have had more success for whatever reason.

[@mrrickstur]

Whether it was a mistake or not is purely subjective, but one thing is for sure: those two rings don’t elevate his rank as a player in the all-time greatest players rankings.

[@Goldenj360]

When has Lebron ever got it done by himself? In Miami? In Cleveland? In LA? Perks argument makes no sense.

[@oblivion85]

Draymond Green: we were winning before you got here.

[@Michael_Page]

It was a mistake to leave. KD showed he was a great team player. The Warriors would have won 5-6 titles if he stayed. Put him in any system/era and he will thrive. With all the different super teams and "LeGM" moves Bron made, in 20 years he never once had a team that was as dominant as the KD Warriors. The Heatles had more talent, but it didn't fit together as well because of Bron's ball dominant style. Not a Durant stan or Bron hater. Bron can be the GOAT (or whoever you like) but to my eyes, the Warriors with KD were playing the best ball I have ever seen.

[@AdamLovesHorror]

It took less than 10’ seconds for SAS to lie.

[@Gk54493]

He went to a 73-9 team that was just in the finals… That hurt his legacy for sure. Those rings don’t really count.

[@AdamLovesHorror]

KD’s basketball skills have NOTHING to do with how many titles he has. If CP3 doesn’t win a title, does that mean he’s not one of the best to play the position? The media is wild. Karl Malone, Stockton, Charles Barkley are incredible players who haven’t won titles. It’s not their fault the bulls did a great job of building around MJ.

[@joeldriver-sp2rg]

KD quitting on his team and fans in OKC after choking away a 3-1 series lead against the Warriors and then actually going to join them is the weakest move in the history of not only the NBA but pro sports. I would challenge anybody to find an all time great in any sport who did something like this. It destroyed his legacy and he will always be remembered for doing this rather than how great of a scorer he was. Those championships were meaningless. The Warriors would have won both of them without him.

[@timothypayton7623]

No they wouldn't have won, if that's the case the warriors wouldn't have blown the 3-1 lead without him if they didn't need him

[@Santana2163]

If KD had stayed after tearing his Achilles, he would’ve been beloved by the fans and local media. Not the same as Steph but it would’ve been close.

[@Raven5321]

Glad SAS mentioned the competition. Thats exactly why we’re all still so angry about that move and why those rings don’t count. All KD gotta do is get another one most people will let that narrative go. He’ll go from 0 to 3 rings instantly. I hope he gets there.

[@srdepr9186]

i see the ratings are down this month 😂

[@natarajanb1905]

Perk is so wrong. Bron didn't go to Cleveland to win it on his own, he made sure he got surrounded by competent players to win. When Bron came back Kyrie was already rocking, so he got Love and a few other players and even then he didn't make the winning shot, it was Kyrie. So Bron should be thankful to Kyrie for that title.

[@jameskent836]

Lebron led the whole series in every stat bro what r u talking about. Big whoop kyrie made a 3 pointer. If kyrie missed and they ran another play to score it’s all the same. They win because LeBron conquered GsW

[@chillzwills6523]

These guys tell half truths.. KD was like Bron.. couldn't win on their own with the teams they had so they both went to chase a ring in places that gave them the best chance on winning. Bron left Miami when he knew time was up with a injured Wade and Bosh Ray Allen retired. So he went back to Cavs to a younger loaded team that again gave him the best chance of winning, then moved on to a talented Lakers team and it worked out.KD went to Brooklyn with a loaded team and a Suns team that just didn't work out.

[@MrDayday4641]

KD's legacy debate?!? KD has a legacy??? He won two titles with a team that won before he got there AND won after he left! His rings are worth less than the ones that you get in the plastic bubbles out of the machines at the grocery store!!!

[@deleonfountain8220]

Going to golden state was at the very least an arguable mistake. Leaving golden state was his biggest mistake.

[@Mainabillionaire]

same topic every 3 days

[@Finessegawdhou]

So why will KD be in the HOF? Nah weak player & hasnt done anything on his own…pigging backing on the Warriors, doesn’t make u a HOFer

[@wlbw1]

I think KD could`ve joined San Antonio Spurs in 2016 and still get 2 rings without the backlash

[@user-op1ig5ji7j]

KD and Shaq are the two greatest/most sensitive players....

[@denimhabersham7383]

Why we keep talking about this

[@therealbigboss101]

This topic is so old now

[@donflo3]

He got swept in the first round. Why is this a ESPN story?

[@hmrhuang]

Some people don't want to be leaders. There's NOTHING wrong with that. KD's biggest weakness is that he listens to outside voices and narratives too much

[@cjohnson0015]

The mistake was him leaving GSW. Him going there was best for his game and how he plays, so never knocked him for that move. But it’s been a struggle ever since he left.

[@Jermaine2099]

The fact that this conversation keeps happening says everything. If it didn’t matter nobody would talk about it, call his rings free, say he needs to win elsewhere, etc.

[@thvts_mack2073]

Kd to Miami

[@UnrulyRebel-hd2pl]

KD would've been greater and people wouldve liked him more if he had team up with bron to go against those golden state warriors trust me

[@duckjackson4403]

Kevin Durant is what we should call the definition of an A- great… looking at his career accolades he hasn’t done too much all this time he’s been a league.

[@ddw-ge1ss]

If he stayed they would have 6+ rings. Everyone would forget the narrative in 100 years.

[@urbaindelva7869]

Going to Golden State did not hurt KD's CAREER because he eventually added 2 rings and 2 MVP awards to his resumé. His legacy, however, is a much different story. It was not just that he went to the Warriors; it was also the circumstances surrounding that decision that tarnished his legacy. He took the "easy road" to a championship in many people's eyes (I used to feel that way, but Idc anymore), and the fact that he hasn't gotten past the second round and has had a lot of drama and dysfunction around him since leaving the Warriors while they eventually won another title makes him look worse. However, I think there is a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to KD as well. The Warriors were not a "stacked" roster when he joined them. I doubt that anyone actually has a clear definition of what that term means. The people who claim that he should've stayed in Golden State to win more rings are probably the same ones who criticized him for going there to do that in the first place. The "bus rider" narrative is easy to use against him now considering he really can't be the "bus driver" at this point due to his age and decline. It's also being used to re-write a lot of his career. Even if he was to help another team win a championship, he would still be called a "bus rider" because people are just hypocrites like that. He gets criticized for having won titles with other good or great players who make things easier for him on the court... just like literally every other all-time great player. Overall, he will go down aa an all-time great and one of the best of his generation, but not on the level he could have if he had made a difference choice.

[@drlee2]

Greatness isn’t just about talent, it’s also about having a competitive spirit. As soon as Durant went to the super team that he choked against in 2016, he lost all credibility. He won 2 cheap, easy rings riding the coattails of 3 other HOF players who knew how to win without him.

[@eljay3390]

The mistake Kevin Durant made was letting the LeBron James fans, and the media promoting LeBron James as the best player ever, convince him to leave Golden State.. I saw it then, the reverse psychology used on Kevin Durant, and he bit.. Now, he won't win another title, not as the main guy