Inside the mind of a sociopath

[@kyf3173]

It would have been better if they had had a psychologist with her to fact check and expand on some of her answers.

[@ellenstn4188]

Love this idea

[@raincadeify]

Right, because she's quoting "studies" and not the DSM and she's using "sociopath" and "psychopath" interchangeably in a time when the public is fascinated psychopathology. And all this, including writing a book about herself and arranging speaking engagements about the book about herself just strikes me as manipulative and narcissistic more than anything else. To hear her talk about it, it almost sounds like a self-help book, but it's actually about pointing out how devious the acts are that she's capable of getting away with but chooses not to. It's a hero's journey really, lol.

[@FollowmedowntheNumberWhole]

She is a psychiatrist and has a PhD. Check her excellent book.

[@cartergomez5390]

@@raincadeifyoh wow 😮

[@davidg1782]

@@raincadeify You need to rewatch and think about what breaking into houses did for her. She explains she did not get a thrill out of the devious acts. Being in a silent home was peaceful for her.

[@joserrapere5928]

I'm a psychologist and some of the things she said are not quite right. Empathy is something that many are born with, though it is also modeled.

[@eternalbooty]

YAS

[@jabbermocky4520]

Agree. I studied psychology at university ( U-Mass Boston ) and one of our seminars was titled "Examining Consciousness". We used literature, fiction and non-fiction, as well as the DSM and standard psych texts to go deep into human consciousness. Some people really are "born bad" and some "born good" which actually just means most are somewhere in between. Conscience within consciousness is the goal we should aspire towards. The woman in this video has a weak conscience, if any at all. Perhaps because she never HAD to develop one. Or, maybe she's just a bad person. It does happen.

[@melissamcnally4762]

I can honestly say that I too have grown up as a Sociopath amongst other "Cluster B" inclusive diagnoses. I also knew I was different from the others, but as a child, I felt like a victim and couldn't understand the "why me" theory. It wasn't until I was a grown adult that I recognized that only I could change my thought process (Of course with guidance from professionals). I'm now 54 and simply being aware that I am a Sociopath, restricts me from sometimes communicating with people in and out of public. I really think having an actual Sociopath who is "aware" that she is a Sociopath can benefit in educating students/patients in personality disorders. I am not a cured person myself, but I 100% can relate to this!

[@NotAnnaJones]

“Some” of the things she said are not quite right… 😂 I’d say more than some.

[@jessieheartart]

Totally

[@markcrowson]

Sociopaths often seek to understand human behavior and patterns, not out of genuine curiosity but as a means to fit in and manipulate others. They struggle to relate to people on an emotional level and may view themselves as superior to their victims, which can lead them to switch between behaviors or emotions with ease to achieve their goals. Anxiety is overcome by getting over or by another person. When this happens a dopamine jolt is given and in a way rewards them. So , because it feels good they keep at it.

[@Oshunsprite]

Trump. He lives off those dopamine jolts.

[@annettecalvin8412]

Nope. She is manipulating in this interview to make bad behavior ok and explain it away.

[@jabbermocky4520]

That's my takeaway, too.

[@ellenpederson-lewis8557]

There's also a narcissistic bent to this. " look at me"

[@chrisbeadle6287]

Read the book.

[@Sandy-of6gq]

I agree. This could very well be a narcissistic/ dopamine supply for her ie. look at me talking openly about this intimate edgy topic and making you have lots of understanding and even empathy. What exactly is the end goal here- to destigmatize sociopathic (bad) behaviour? It's the one thing that should not be destigmatized

[@sun_rose123]

She even says that people with narcissism are stigmatized, and that when you look at them they are deeply wounded people. I mean yes, but don't normalize their intentions and actions!!!

[@mmnsac7712]

2 things. 1 - She is talking about DBT, not CBT, for those with personality disorders, this distinction is super important. CBT is talk therapy and doesn’t work for those with borderline, narcissism and sociopathy. DBT (dialectical behavioral therapy) often doesn’t work either because often times those with these personality disorders don’t want help, because they don’t inherently recognize their behavior as problematic as this person does. 2 - It’s also interesting that she notes she doesn’t feel shame, guilt or remorse, but then notes her motivations here are to de-stigmatize this condition. So then, what is she feeling, when she is “stigmatized” for her diagnosis and/or behavior, that is strong enough to motivate her to try and effect this societal change in perception? Again she said she doesn’t care what people think. Why take the time to change their perception then? It’s not for her. And it’s not for others because she noted she doesn’t feel altruism. Sociopaths generally get their biggest supply from their ability to manipulate other people and watch the chaos unfold. You have to wonder if this isn’t part of a manipulation to convince people her life and convince others they can change by taking this approach and challenging the science. Obviously I can’t say that with any degree of certainty but it is cause for pause

[@NotAnnaJones]

Yes, agreed.

[@daniellamcgee4251]

I am a living example of someone who had CBT for Borderline Personality Disorder, (and C-PTSD, etc.) just before DBT was a thing. So, a long time ago (mid-to late- 1990s). It worked for me. In 2001 I was re:assessed by multiple independent mental health professionals, and I no longer had that diagnosis. My former psychologist, and I, continue to keep in contact as friends. This is why making blanket statements about what will work for a person with a specific diagnosis, and their degree of willingness to engage in treatment and self care, is not realistic. We are all individuals, even if we have the same diagnosis. We don't all have all the symptoms (for example, my psychologist said I was not manipulative), and have different degrees of awareness, motivation, different experiences, etc. It also depends on the degree of capacity to work with a mental health professional. Also, Borderline Personality Disorder has a huge stigma attached to it, and many mental health professionals are hostile and unwilling to work with anyone with that diagnosis. Receptionists hung up on me many times after enquiring about my diagnosis. It is very difficult to find a respectful, intelligent, aware psychologist/ psychiatrist who has sufficient understanding to go the distance with you. It is not always the patient's/ client's fault if they can't find someone to work with. It is also common for trust to be broken due to treatment by hospital psychiatrists, and P.T.S.D. from hospital admissions. Having diagnoses with stigma was a big problem in psych. wards. I hope that is not the case now. Obviously, money for mental health care is also an obstacle. Some people want therapy. Others don't. Others have mixed feelings. We are all individuals.

[@daniellamcgee4251]

Also, with your 2nd point. Even if a person doesn't care about what others think about them, stigmatization limits life options, and available services, as I described briefly with my experience of Borderline Personality Disorder. However, she said she had treatment to help her develop social emotions, so other people do matter to her now. After treatment, it would make sense that she would want to help de-stigmatize sociopathy. Neuroplasticity allows for structural and chemical change of the brain, that for some people (such as myself) means that some, or all signs and symptoms of that personality disorder are no longer possible. Having fixed views is not helping you understand. Maybe listen to more people with lived experience of mental illness.

[@mariemiles7287]

I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder amd cbt helped me, along with years of one to one counselling and support groups for alcoholism. I think you have to research your own condition and really want to change, though. x

[@daniellamcgee4251]

@@mariemiles7287 Yes, CBT and years of one-to-one counselling helped me, too! Kudos to you! 💪🏆 ✨️

[@jabbermocky4520]

Never trust a thief. This lady describes how being a thief made her feel better about herself. She uses the diagnosis of "sociopathy" as an excuse. But she's just a common thief. Get thieves out of your life, all of 'em. No pity.

[@transsexual_computer_faery]

yep. garbage

[@robinlindberg6339]

Yep. I also feel that putting these people (?) on a pedestal, all in the name of science..... is disgusting. I think the morbid curiosity of "what makes these kinds of people tick" has gone off the Richter chart. The fact that these people get up and stand in front of people and openly claim themselves as what they are...and that that seems to be okay.... These people affect many people's lives around them. - Devastate the lives of people around them. If nothing else, these people are pathological lies, and that in itself is enough to destroy people around them.

[@daniellamcgee4251]

I recommend you learn about mental illness, neuroplasticity and mental illness recovery. Also, she didn't say she stole things to feel better about herself. She said she discovered that she felt more aligned, and calm, being in an exterior environment that matched her internal world, after the jolt of feeling something. She didn't steal anything from those houses. She worked to find that mental balance with a mental health profeseional so that she no longer felt the need to engage in that behaviour. She was explaining behaviour; not excusing it. Even thieves have reasons for stealing. It is antisocial behaviour, so obviously something is abnormal in their brain structure, or brain chemistry. Your capacity to absorb information has evidently been impaired by your pre-existing judgement. Your judgement is based on your feelings, not any data.

[@tbd419]

She downplays the negatives. Doesn’t change who she is at her core.

[@deborahklinlger8565]

My deceased ex was a narcissistic sociopath. He hurt me over & over and no apology. He broke my heart.💔

[@k.s783]

Same. I’ve lived with a sociopathic narcissist for over 20 years and without exaggeration it has completely broken me and ruined my life. My narcissist has been diagnosed with NPD on two occasions by two different mental health professionals. He is successful and well liked in the community but can be incredibly cruel and emotionally abusive at home. My kids have serious trauma from his inability to show empathy and unconditional love. They are both in therapy now. It took many years to realize he was a full fledged sociopath and narcissist as he is a charlatan, a pathological liar and very manipulative. I knew that something was wrong pretty early on, but it has taken years to see the patterns of lying, bullying, passive aggression as narcissists work hard to hide all these behaviors. You don’t see them unless you know to look for them. My narcs mom is also a narcissist who covertly bullied me for years until I broke contract. She thinks of herself as a good Christian but is nothing like a true Christian. She purposely killed her daughter’s bunnies by leaving them in 100 degree heat in a cage for hours. She denied it was intentional but it wasn’t as she talked about how she wanted to get rid of the bunnies just a few days prior. Just pure evil. It’s very isolating to be with a narcissist as they require so much attention and despise any friends you have. I have no friends left. It’s also a bummer that people call everyone a narcissist these days. Very invalidating for people who actually deal with real sociopaths and narcissists.

[@deborahklinlger8565]

@Joe-sg9ll I didn't know him when we married. I was very young when we married. A high school grad no college. I now know more about human behavior . Doesn't matter now I'm very sick & dying no desire to learn more.

[@cynthiahale9336]

@@Joe-sg9llno they don’t. You’re sick.

[@michellec4731]

@@deborahklinlger8565 I'm sorry

[@mialite7959]

Like a true sociopath, she is not telling the truth on a lot of things. She just can't help herself 💫💫💫

[@robotx9285]

Can ya give examples, only a sociopath could want ya belive something without evidence.

[@Joshuaoutoftheforest]

ask her how many lives she has destroyed.

[@secretsquirrel5605]

exactly! that is what i thought when she said "she loves empathy"...she is a black hole.

[@twilfits]

I've been looking..a lot of deflection. I ran into someone likable just like her. No thanks. She looks like a world of hurt

[@michaeljensen4650]

Only a psychopath would attempt to justify their destructive behavior. They do not act in a destructive manner because their lack of empathy bothers them. In fact it does not. She is lying. Whenever a person like this speaks they always have an agenda watch them closely. Lying comes easily to people like this it does not bother them they feel no guilt or shame. She is trying to manipulate her audience into feeling sorry for her. Having no compassion or empathy does not bother people with Antisocial Personality Disorder in the slightest, they are proud of it. It offers them a certain freedom which they are very fond of. Their destructive behavior comes from an emptiness and a feeling of restlessness which they cannot fully understand. Hurting people, lying and manipulating people gives them great pleasure. They are sadistic by nature that is why they are destructive.

[@kerri5595]

Correct, she and someone with NPD can "learn" the appropriate responses but will never actually feel empathy. It is the only treatment we have unfortunately

[@graceg3250]

That’s a psychopath. A sociopath isn’t born that way: they develop that from trauma

[@liberty-matrix]

“Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be banned from thinking so as not to offend the imbeciles.” ~Fyodor Dostoyevsky

[@18_rabbit]

this literally has been happenng with my oldest friend who lives overseas and is not even from my country or culture. He descended into a true almost imbecility after the new-right rose in western countries. He's brasilian living in europe. So sad and pathetic to see.

[@cherylyoke4872]

She said she was in the hospital a lot as a young child. Perhaps that contributed to her difficulty…being detached from her mother so much…

[@Terriwith2arfs]

I think psychopathic/sociopathic disorders overlap. I had an ex-in law who definitely fit both labels. Interesting that now "the professionals" are trying to relabel mental illness, just like society is relabeling everything else. Surprisingly, she chuckles when describing her crimes. Very disconcerting.

[@ShidachiOm]

5 minutes in and there are already so many factually incorrect statements. For example sociopaths do not feel joy, love, fear or anxiety. They are capable of anger. Emotions like compassion, empathy and shame are not "social emotions" they are innate in a healthy human being . A sociopath would categorize them as that for the simple reason that Those emotions are preceded by empathy, Something these people are incapable of feeling. The wiring in their brains that would allow for the feeling of empathy are either missing or damaged. Sociopaths are not capable of empathy other than cognitive empathy which means they can be trained to understand the cues for what another person is feeling. They can rationally understand a person is hurt. But to them it is like a memorizing how to tie a knot or how to bake a cake . It is a set of facts to them. They don't feel it and they don't understand what we feel. This woman mistakenly believes that normal people have been trained to feel a certain way. She cannot understand that we feel that way without training because we respond with empathy when we see someone or something in pain. She does not and she cannot because the parts of the brain responsible for that do not work in her. That is why it is incurable. What a sociopath mostly feels is boredom.

[@indigol9339]

This is correct, like a true sociopath shes manipulating the truth to fit her best intrest

[@LydellAaron]

She could be lying to us right now. Hmmm.

[@robinantonio8870]

And she is

[@NotAnnaJones]

She is. Absolutely

[@ellenpederson-lewis8557]

Yes, she is.

[@mialite7959]

Less than 3 minutes in and she's already lying.

[@MBX887]

😂 👍🏻

[@BonitaBrandt]

She should not have had kids. No matter how much understanding she has of her disability, she is not capable of being a good mother.

[@mariee.5912]

But she's and sounds like a great one.

[@dmpiii]

Where is this comment coming from? What are you basing this on?

[@dblockbass]

Shes seems to be doing better than many other mothers who are afflicted by her condition, and some that arent. I think the operative word here is 'trust' not necessarily 'love'.

[@annereiner8951]

Perhaps her emotionally strong Italien husband is her backup strategy here. He is supposed to do the emotional "labor" regarding their kids, so that they have at least one parent they can emotionally connect to and be well cared for. This is all speculation btw. We probably will never know.

[@ziudra91]

@@mariee.5912 What happens if she has a bad day?

[@julesdrums6167]

She lacks the expertise in personality disorders requisite to adequately explain her behavior and her diagnoses and cluster b personality traits and disorders at large. There is much more than a 40-question qualitative survey involved in the determination of a personality disorder. “Sociopathy” is not even a diagnosis, so I have no idea what under what delusions she conceptualizes this entire issue

[@jabbermocky4520]

I hear a very privileged person excusing her behaviors as an "illness" while they are merely weaknesses of character. Just be glad she is not YOUR mother.

[@melissamcnally4762]

@@jabbermocky4520 Have you yourself been checked for Mental Illness?

[@daniellamcgee4251]

You obviously didn't listen. She explained at the start why she called it sociopathy. You remind me of those egotistical psychiatrists who think that lived experience means nothing. This is her story of living with that particular diagnosis. That lived experience is something you can never know by reading books. Her perspective is from the inside, and she can learn the theory, to have a more complete understanding. You can only look in from the outside, but never really know beyond the theory.

[@Sandy-of6gq]

@@daniellamcgee4251 people like you will literally self destruct defending malicious people who are watching you with delight

[@judepamment1106]

This was so interesting and wish her well .

[@RupaAbdi]

She very cleverly says that she she didn't care what other people thought of her when what she actually means is she didn't care what pain she caused to other people by her socio/psychopathic behavior!

[@BloomByCC]

This is the crux of Patric's story. Sociopaths don't ask to be born sociopaths. Neither do psychopaths. Judging them for the way their brain was formed is not logical. There's so much antithapy in these posts, you would think that many of the people commenting here were sociopaths themselves.

[@enekervis]

She does not understand the meaning of empathy.

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

I fully disagree with her on her explanation about which emotions are natural and which are taught. Jealousy and sadness and empathy are not taught. They are natural and genetic. She thinks they are taught because she thinks they can be learned as she learned them in form of copying other people or mimicking other people because she doesn't feel those emotions.

[@jenniferg6818]

Jesus, i can't even. Also false information.

[@hurricane_valence]

She clearly. Wants this as her identity. I know a lot of people who broke into houses and stole cars who could not fit the criteria for antisocial personality disorder or even conduct disorder as a kid. Just because you break in this steel car, so it's only one component you have to fit 5 of the criteria for conduct disorder and 3 of the criteria for anti social personality disorder. And for the psychopathy checklist, you have to score high. In order to have to be considered psychopathic tendencies. I tried to refrain from watching videos like these. Because I am diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder and I hate it when people come online and try to spread misinformation about it.

[@julesdrums6167]

Oh and not to mention her entire career is based on “being a sociopath”

[@cherylyoke4872]

Remember it’s what you do that defines your character, not how you feel.

[@jacquetracy3194]

Well at least we know what she looks like so we can avoid her.!! I have a relative who is like this .I don't go anywhere near her... 😮

[@daniellamcgee4251]

I guess I shouldn't have been surprised by the degree of stigma in the comments. So many people think that all people with the diagnosis the same, and that they know her, and don't see to be aware of neuroplasticity and change.

[@bigdaddychacha]

I’m no psychologist, but I fear this lady may have been misdiagnosed; somebody told her “sociopath” when they should have said “narcissist.” Jeez, it’s all, “Me, me, me! Just marvel at how unique and clever I am! My feelings, which I do have, are unique and special, unlike all you neurotypicals out there!” All the while, she seems totally allergic to going into detail about any incidents, or getting into the worst ugly stuff she ever did. (Maybe that changes, but I’m about halfway in and I don’t think I can continue listening to her for much longer.)

[@KLewrv2db]

Fascinating! As an empath raised by a covert narc Catholic woman who was the travel agent for guilt trips and the shame game, I would pay thousands to let go of guilt and toxic shame. They are destructive. Thanks for explaining your experience so eloquently. Gonna buy your book!

[@aarynunite]

Empathy is NOT a learned social emotion. She is like a spider telling us all what she "thinks" a fly is feeling.

[@18_rabbit]

yep she is the ultimate black widow.

[@sharonhearne5014]

My younger sister was in this category but in more severe ways than this interviewee. My mother appears to have been this way, as well, so it seems inherited. A second sister is this way but masks it in general when around others so I would describe her as much more socially manipulative and has possessing a secretive life.

[@mayastrong4646]

How can you be a good mother without having emotional love children need love they feel it they know it without you saying it it’s not robotic, and if they don’t feel your emotional love for them, and they feel unloved

[@jabbermocky4520]

"OK, kids, I understand that my actions are hurtful to you but you NEED to give mommy all your caring and forgiveness. YOU need to adjust your conscience DOWN to my level to make me happy." That's what the kids pick up.

[@18_rabbit]

@@jabbermocky4520 the narcissistic mother. Hard to fathom for most of us

[@ScreenProductions]

After this interview Savannah Sellers and the entire audience have not been seen since 😮

[@MB-pf7gv]

Huh?

[@Kay2be2mr]

A mother who is not capable of feeling any guilt is a recipe for disaster for her kids. So she can make any bad decision when it comes to her kids and no matter what the consequences are of that, she won't feel bad about it. That's horrible.

[@AmorYMigas]

“Empathy is overdue for narcissists…..”. Hmmmm. Where is the ton of “tangible help” for their victims? I understand I can have empathy for the narcissist and that they may have incredible pain or shame they’re shielding , but where is the help if they’re family members and we’re dealing with all the devastation of their behaviors? Narcissists can be such outwardly successful people that they’re usually rewarded for their exploits. Sorry. I have a close family member who has literally ruined lives and is still actively hurting others - but she looks to society like a fun, creative success. She says she’s been seeing a therapist - either she lies to the person or that therapist is out of her depth. I’d like to see more help for people to learn to recognize these issues in others and their children and resources for help. How about victim’s funds? Most victims don’t talk. And the narcissist goes to the next fly caught in their web

[@JuMPDesigns]

I think the appearance of "sociopathy" has been and will continue to increase as we are flooded with more and more audiovisual influences that feed us superficial examples of how to express ourselves. Watch a toddler staring into the youtube void for an hour, just sucking in the over dramatic videos with super extra gestures and "WOWWWWWW!!!!!" vibes. Like who is that supposed to even represent?? Not us(suspected sociopaths)

[@18_rabbit]

um, u need to expand on that. What the net and shortform comm's does is increase superficiality in some ppl.

[@JuMPDesigns]

@@18_rabbit "as it is above so it is below". "For every action there is an equal opposite reaction" So yes you're correct, but that also means the counter will increase along with the main culture.

[@MaryLee-q6j]

I view her as brave, and honest, and neurodiverse, and as trying to help children and adults experiencing these brain differences and resultant isolation and admitted harmful/criminal behaviors. She quotes "viewing someone as antisocial or psychopathic reduces empathy in a neurotypical person".... Let's make sure not to allow ourselves to blindly fall into that. She is acknowledging her prior behavior and motivations, and seeking to support others who experience the challenges she experiences. She wants better lives for those individuals, (and thereby the world). As a professional working with children experiencing emotional and behavioral challenges, I hope to increase understanding and ways to support these children, and she is clearly advocating for them on a personal level and in her public awareness efforts and scientific/therapeutic pursuits.

[@j.n.sloane]

Absolutely fascinating conversation on a topic that seems much more complex that I realized. There is so much we really don't understand about mental health and illnesses and it's so difficult to diagnose people. There needs to be more support for various illnesses and treatments for mental illness. We can't let fear and shame control how we tackle these issues. Prison cannot be the only way we deal with it. There has to be a better way.

[@lmiller1413]

She seems to be attention seeking looking for her 15 minutes of fame, wanting people to be impressed with her intelligence..... which seems to be missing. This is nothing to be proud of.

[@flgail5721]

I agree with everything you said.

[@sheribellagee9998]

This is also my gut reaction.

[@twilfits]

She's probably done some damage to bring her here

[@marciloni12]

Yes, I wish people like her realize how destructive they are, regardless of the cause of origin. Just heal and become a civilized citizen. Geeesh!!!🙄

[@beermilkshake]

I disagree completely and I know a lot about the subject. It’s judgements like these that stop these conversations from happening.

[@js6728]

told by a sociopath, of the sociopaths, and still the sociopaths, and taught in the way of a sociopathic

[@richardferrara]

It is what it is. Plain and simple. STAY AWAY

[@BonitaBrandt]

What?!

[@richardferrara]

My heart goes out to the family. Only them

[@mayastrong4646]

Exactly we shouldn’t listen to a psychopath she’s lying anyways there’s lots of things that she saying that are misleading. The reason people don’t have empathy for psychopaths is because they don’t have any empathy and they don’t care whether we have empathy or not for them, so why should we they hurt others it’s like having empathy for a serial killer

[@bellejour559]

@@mayastrong4646I agree with all of this. They lack empathy and often laugh at people who do.

[@bobleonard99]

When I googled "sociopath", the first 10 hits were Trump for President ads.

[@PSA78]

I believe he's was supposed to be more of a covert poster boy for them, now... well... it turned into something of an embarrassment for them. 😂

[@stellaboulton9531]

You are nasty ------ but sooooo original.

[@leeboriack8054]

Her honesty is to be respected, but I can not fully endorse doing away with guilt and shame. For some people it’s the only boundary they understand.

[@dblockbass]

Sounds like you have had dealings directly with someone who has been afflicted. Unfortunately you are absolutely right. I have come across several people in my life with relentless narcissism and sociopathy. Establishing a hard boundary, sometimes guilt and shame, was the only way to get them to stand down. If you are afflicted with this disorder, and you are not aware of it, you will not be equipped to regulate yourself, and the condition can run rampant into very bad, destructive and even worst case scenarios, as the public at large has come to know.

[@jabbermocky4520]

Well, you don't really know if she's being honest. I think she enjoys the sound of her own voice, personally, no matter what the voice says at any given time.

[@raincadeify]

You're calling it "honesty", I'm calling it narcissistic supply.

[@jabbermocky4520]

@@raincadeify And I am in agreement with your assessment.

[@raincadeify]

@@jabbermocky4520 Same. I'm amazed that people are so easily taken in, even when the person is explaining how their lack of scruples makes is easy for them to victimize people, they thank the psychopath for their honesty, smh. It's not "honesty", it's flexing how clever they are, lol.

[@GesangsMeister]

Great interview ❤

[@mariemiles7287]

I think the dark tetrad is very interesting. Its someone who has narcissism, psychopathy, machiavellianism and sadism. I knew someone who showed all these traits. Very fadcinating to watch x

[@saxifrage-q3h]

Her poor kids. Yikes. How corrosive of their innocence.

[@lilahhazan1858]

Thank you for talking, it is very important and very appreciated.

[@geobus3307]

She mentioned having children. I would love to know if her social emotions increased with oxytocin and other hormonal changes during pregnancy and post-partum.

[@melissabrzescinski494]

My ex was a diagnosed sociopath. He had a vasectomy at age 28 and I think it was very responsible of him. I’m curious why others who know about their condition would choose to have kids.

[@kkrenken895]

Nope. She starts manipulating right from the get go. She’s making you think she is the victim. H&$L no!! Maybe she can’t help herself, but we can help ourselves but not being taken in.

[@mikestray76]

You can't learn or be taught empathy. You either have it or you don't, some more or less than others.

[@suki5590]

She was externalizing her feeling of otherness, it was a way to make the external experience match the internal, catharsis, and reduce the cognitive dissonance which is what causes stress

[@SeptemberApril-io1hi]

Excellent interview!

[@piezoification]

Lack of social fear sounds really good, society pretty much sucks!

[@Purple_raven28]

I have limited empathy, it’s just how I was born. The way I get around it is: 1. Imagine myself in some else’s situation 2. I ask myself what would I THINK (not feel cause, again, no empathy) in their situation. 3. Rephrase their own thoughts back to them. They usually find it validating.

[@jandp2941]

Where did she get her PhD?! Shadyyyy

[@JudeScott007]

Not quite safe for bringing kids up with this parent really...I know the damage of narc abuse from my mom...it effected the whole course of my life! Through intense therapy I descoved the truth at 65 and the damage was done...lost time...too late for self esteme to grow as ir should have, etc... so kids...not a prudent idea.

[@armyofone13]

20:22 her point proven in this comment section smh

[@RiverPaisley]

The way she frames this basically validates the dark tetrad and conduct disorder. And we aren’t taught to be aware of others and kind or considerate of others because of how other people will think of us, it’s because we are a collective consciousness. She is attempting to be the most intelligent in the room (typical of this disorder) and ends up just being an example of it. She names the book sociopath, knows it’s not used and used it anyway - typical antisocial personality behaviour. Can’t stand listening to this bs.

[@18_rabbit]

after hearing it a couple times now while then reading some comments , i'm afraid i have to mostly agree with you. She is a smooth talker, and with a fairly imprecise way of explaining things. Unfortunately she's basically saying the quiet part out loud, of so so many americans right now. I am middle aged and savvy and have fallen for these idjits a few times in life. Had a foreign lifelong friend for forty yrs now who just recently revealed that his family believed he arranged an armed robbery of their family biz, when he was about 20 y.o. After seeing his suddenly dark triad views when DJT was elected, i realize that the crime likely was paid for by him! These fake ppl who are actually machievellians and when not too sharp, can be really friggin dangerous!

[@josejrtuti]

She sounds very opportunistic and megalomaniac …. Ultimately chickens won’t feel sorry for foxes being crushed

[@dominique8620]

Super interesting. Thanks for the insight!

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

37:40 This lady is hugely courageous and maybe it's her condition as she calls it a condition of not caring what others think of her that makes her be free from nervousness around others or fear of an audience or worries about social repercussions. I personally find not caring what others think of me courageous and truthful. Society does make us think that if I don't care what others think of me I must have a condition of some sort. But is it a (mental illness condition or genetic) disorder? I say it isn't. Yes she has a reduced sense of affect. But that alone isn't automatically sociopathic. I question the Merck manual or whatever psychiatric manuals are out there dictating to the world what is acceptable and what is not acceptable and now they are even taking another nose dive into wokeism with their avoidance of using some of the older terminology like "psychopath". One sees this happening nowadays increasingly because of hyper triggered socioeconomic groups taking offense and calling everything racist when most things have nothing to do with racism. When society becomes more and more insane so will our socalled manuals become increasingly insane and unreliable that includes Harvard University. We are heading straight into a societal collapse and we all know it. I'm sure Pat Gagne would agree with me on this but can't say it (because if she did say this her book would be cancelled, her KZbin channel would be cancelled or demonetized etc etc). When we can't even use certain words anymore how can we communicate properly with one another? It only leads society into a disaster. That's why I speak out because peace starts with me (and each one of you).

[@xrppornstar9483]

Psychopathy is part of the cluster B mental disorders. It’s super close to narcissistic personality disorder. But interesting there are nuances between the two. But many narcissistic personality disorder traits are exact matches of psychopathy.

[@walterbo7687]

Like Trump

[@scratchpenny]

@@walterbo7687 And both Hillary and Bill Clinton. These behaviors are common with politicians and executives.

[@mialite7959]

@@scratchpenny Trump is off the chart's.

[@scratchpenny]

@@mialite7959 Probably, but it's hard to prove. It's fun to discuss when you see a trend with celebrities and politicians, but there isn't an exact way to diagnose these things, and the DSM often relies on assessment checklists based on what is considered "normal" with flawed baselines. I work in a related field and put very little stock in these psychiatric diagnoses because they don't accomplish much other than a basis for insurance billing and medication. For example, if you are a "psychopath" but rule the world (e.g., high-ranking politician, billionaire, etc.), then how would your condition be considered maladaptive, and why would you ever seek treatment? This disorder has beneficial outcomes for many of these types, so why would they care?

[@mayastrong4646]

people don’t go to retreats to become apathetic. There are ways to work on our self-esteem and quiet. Our minds negative self talk, which is what meditation it’s all about. It’s about being conscious being aware of everything including self awareness psychopaths have no self-awareness. This lady is lying she’s trying to justify not having feelings and not caring and not having shame or guilt but those things are very important. That’s how we have empathy and compassion for others. Without empathy and compassion in this world. It is a cold ugly place we do not go to retreats to become. Not empathetic, we go to open our hearts to more love, more emotion, more empathy, more compassion, and that includes compassion for ourselves and self love she is misleading everyone for why people go to retreats and spiritual communities

[@veridianacarvalho9209]

Thanks for sharing

[@_JackNapier]

Sociopath is not obsolete. It is so widespread that using it as a term of discernment is more about detailing specific conditions or: Narcissist w/Sociopathic tendencies 🃏🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@xrppornstar9483]

She means that she is a psychopath and the term sociopath is an iteration of the definition.

[@hurricane_valence]

Bs not a real psychopath you have to fit criteria You have to have done terrible things and are doing terrible. Thanks and have to have. The emotional deficits behind it to even be considered to have a diagnosis of psychopathic tendencies and antisocial personality disorder.

[@hurricane_valence]

​@@xrppornstar9483 Bs not a real psychopath you have to fit criteria You have to have done terrible things and are doing terrible. Thanks and have to have. The emotional deficits behind it to even be considered to have a diagnosis of psychopathic tendencies and antisocial personality disorder.

[@tmsjones4004]

I wouldn't have her in my life if I were you. Stay away!!

[@Yathome00]

Nope it’s not a treatable personality condition.

[@onemysore6120]

What possible emotion comes from breaking into someone’s home? This sounds compulsive.

[@shawndrahill9216]

I appreciate this piece

[@CYBERETI-uf6sv]

I feel conflicted listening and watching her present with such passion. Do we need to label her sociopath, are there people who are simply mean, cruel, entitled to get what others have.... and not necessarily having a psychopathology. What happened to her in the womb? In infancy? That she would be acting out now? Rather than having psychopathy. Especially as she is able to reflect upon her traits with self empathy.

[@matthewmcnamee4563]

Thank you doctor that was very interesting.

[@RatedArggg]

I would never advise anybody to use Penn Jillette as a mentor. He has a brilliant mind, but he's missing a piece of the puzzle.

[@MB-pf7gv]

Huh?

[@bellejour559]

Karen confessions.

[@jabbermocky4520]

lol. Good description.

[@cherylyoke4872]

I know some nice people named Karen. I dislike this use of the name, as it is irresponsible.

[@MB-pf7gv]

Bigot says what?

[@mimilindelof8951]

The greatest love to her kids.

[@wa1069]

Now to think critically: why would someone who fundamentally lacks the ability to feel empathy shame or guilt want other people to feel empathy for them? Or to feel shame or guilt that we don’t understand them? I am honestly trying to think of any scenario in which this is not cynically self serving at its core and dangerous for the rest of us

[@MB-pf7gv]

Can someone please explain the difference between a narcissist and a sociopath bc lots of ppl are calling her a narcissist but as I listen to her (she is being interviewed based on her book, right?) and she’s talking about herself, I don’t see what’s wrong with that. Why is she a narcissist? And just based on this one thing, I see so much hate on this human being. From what I know, she never hurt anyone. Why are so many strangers piling on with armchair diagnoses and insults?

[@JudeScott007]

I am sad for her kids!

[@Melissab704]

There are different kinds of empathy and some are learned and can be improved upon over the lifespan. On the other hand, there is automatic empathy- when you see someone stub their toe and you have that visceral, reflective response. It’s not something you learn.

[@ellenstn4188]

Fascinating

[@mayastrong4646]

How can you be a good mother without having emotional love children need love they feel it they know it without you saying it it’s not robotic, and if they don’t feel your emotional love for them, and they feel unloved and the things she said about how people go on retreats to learn to not have negative self talk, and this is not well. There are other ways to heal negative self talk and not feeling good about yourself having low self-esteem, the purpose of going to these retreats, as not to not care, and not feel, it’s about growing our empathy. Having empathy for others we have too much apathy in this world right now, and it hurts people. It hurts the world and the Earth there is no good that comes from apathy, spiritual people are learning to be conscious for their mind quiet down we learn to control the mind and meditation and there’s lots and lots of proof on how meditation helps people, but it does not make us not care. We need to care more care more about ourselves to quiet that negative self talk not become psychopaths they don’t care some of the things she saying are very manipulative and untrue and she’s using them as excuses to normalize being a psychopath but a lot of it are lies.

[@18_rabbit]

yes i agree! I see english is not apparently your native tongue but i do grasp what u r saying. She says things frankly like a not bright or clearheaded person who has strong narcissistic traits.

[@mayastrong4646]

@@18_rabbit yeah, I didn’t write that very well. I was running around doing a bunch of things at once. I didn’t proofread it before I sent it and I didn’t use any punctuation. I often talk text

[@SimonGonzales-t8c]

Like trump

[@mmedrano8334]

Some liberals were disappointed Trump didn't get KIA'd . That's sociopathy.

LOL....all politicians u numnuts

[@duaneb21]

From the title, I thought this was going to be about trump.

[@christinascibetta1043]

This is interesting. I don't know that she is lying. There are lots of people like this and she is working on it....most aren't ....

[@Extra_ordinary_lili]

Awesome.

[@carynmartin6053]

Excellent way of redefining these personality disorders! 🎉😊

[@ghostqueen2082]

there is no pill to treat psychopathy which makes iy difficult for familes of the neurodivergent

[@stevengallant6363]

I wonder what Alan Watts would think of her?

[@nicolemaddison2945]

Is this what is now being diagnosed as PDA?

[@SeptemberApril-io1hi]

I don't think its inherent. I do think it starts in the womb. I could be wrong.

[@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084]

I have one unusual trait, which is I don't tend to experience the feeling of guilt, no matter how bad something i do is, especially if only i know i did it.

[@18_rabbit]

wowzers, that's bad.... reeeal bad. It's THE trait we animals need, otherwise.....

[@bettina868]

Insufferable.

[@PatDull-uv6yl]

Sociopaths have normal nrains and generally have suffered trama.. Psychopaths have been found to have abnormalities in brain.... important in trla

[@emanuel77733]

I have 40 and you patric?

[@piezoification]

Praise reward - no adrenaline, deviance yes

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

30:50 I am not so sure if that percentage she talks about of 0.01% violent psychopaths is correct. Seems like the percentage of violent psychopaths is astronomically much higher than that. Seems to me more like 50% it depends on the geographic location of course. In Africa it's more like 90%. In the middle east like 100%?

[@metteroansyvertsen3728]

Im sorry, but I dont trust her.

[@Xanthadu]

Hey, some real journalism!

[@MaryOmalley-hg9pc]

DrBandy X Lee and others have spoken out years ago and the sense of trauma and how it affects the human in their housing, air, water, soil, chemical exposure. Labels are snapshots nothing more and disorders and dysfunctions are more than note trauma related if not a biological medical issue like certain developmental disorders.

[@chefartiebucco22]

×NEW VIDEO TITLE: Interesting interview between two women about sociopathy sponsored by Aspen Ideas Health. Click and figure it out deets yourself. Still workshopping but far more informative than the current title

[@LenorJohnson-ul7tn]

Just like Ricky williamson

[@rubynibs]

Empathy is the intellectual understanding of another's situation. Since roughly 1990, women have used it incorrectly when they should use "sympathy," which is a higher, emotional relating to another. Psychopaths can be empathetic. Sympathy, however, eludes them. The term psychopath was changed to sociopath, which was changed to antisocial personality disorder, all in an attempt to better reflect the disorder. These terms are used interchangeably by professionals.

[@basicallyno1722]

Sociopath and psychopath are two different conditions. And you are wrong about empathy and sympathy. Empathy requires you to actively participate in sharing another’s emotional pain or distress. You feel it with them. It can begin at the intellectual when you imagine yourself in their shoes, but it becomes personal. People do misuse the words.

[@rubynibs]

@@basicallyno1722 wrong. The name of the disorder was changed in the DSM in an attempt to better reflect the disorder. I set diagnoses. As for empathy vs sympathy, check the original meanings, and then look up the prefix of each in the Greek.