War Games: The Battle For Taiwan

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War Games: The Battle For Taiwan

[@oscarm.1417]

"Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face" Mike Tyson

[@taylorwhiting5732]

Sums up Russia's invasion perfectly

[@clintonvincent2801]

Dud if can't take a few hits in the face and a bloodied nose don't fight louser. 😤

[@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle]

@alain did you see Russia's failed attempt to take over Keiv, and then to make their loss look better they claimed that it was their plan all along to retreat?

[@levelazn]

@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle There is no way for us to defend Taiwan without sinking its own pacific fleet via hypersonic missiles. And before any shots are fired. China can simply form a naval blockade to collapse the Taiwanese economy, at the same time seize all taiwnanese business and cut off sending goods to the United States. The us will suffer from hyper inflation due to lack of essentials and enter into recession. There would be mass riots and Chinatowns arming themselves to resist anti Chinese violence. Essentially a civil war would break out. At the sametime there will be protests and civil unrest in major cities due to commodity shortage. layer on top cyber attacks on all fronts crippling communications and knocking out of satellites. America will basically go dark

[@johnsullivan8673]

@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle Russia's first move was no where near aggressive enough. They definitely miscalculated Kiev's control on the military and the civilian population. But make no mistake, despite what the MSM outlets here are telling you, Ukrainians are being grinded down and they're increasingly deploying asymmetrical methods, and Russia hasn't even fully mobilized. Unless NATO is willing to directly intervene, the writings are on the walls.

[@TexasConnor]

The lady who said put some seals on the island by submarine to support the marines has literally no idea about combat and how it works…

[@RenéSaussy]

Totally unrealistic. They need some people with actual experience.

[@RealEstateMan85]

I know right- one of them almost said “let’s just scare the Chinese by igniting a nuclear in the Pacific off the coast of Taiwan to show our power” in the atmosphere? Does she not think that the jetstream and all the nuclear waste that thing would pump out? Smh dumb. The last thing you wanna do is to even bring it to that level of war did breakout. You’re just giving them an excuse to do something stupid.

[@tongxia6557]

Actually, she does Maybe you are not familiar with how SOG works. To be honest, I don't well understand it either, but I have seen them

[@scaryghost5721]

She learned that from the opening of Modern Warfare 3

[@ChongiFishing]

How about doing this again but with actual generals

[@Flornmonk]

Generals are doing this all the time but we're definitely not allowed to see it.

[@Epic-so3ek]

I somehow feel like that would be cooler…

[@Soshiaircon91]

Listening to these experts analysis on how a war game plays out will certainly rot your brain.

[@TheDocAfro]

I just saw this, and the strategy at 5 mins and some change of attacking US forces in Japan wouldn't bring Japan into war is BEYOND ridiculous. The facilities we use in Japan are shared facilities, meaning that if an attack were to occur there would be a high probability of indirectly attacking Japanese forces, which would bring Japan in this war.

[@pulsatingsausageboy2076]

Wouldn’t even take that. If a single bomb hits Japanese soil that would be enough for them to feel threatened and get involved.

[@dalao2yang]

@@stevelucky7579 ......japan need to worry about it's existence first and only. Any attack to china from Japan will trigger maybe......10 hydrogen bombs I would say from north to south. Then there would be no Japan. I like Japan. It would be tragic if Japan get involved.

[@henryairconcepts2999]

South Korea would join the war too. Pretty soon WW3

[@Riptionator]

The Japanese are blood thirsty for a war with China. They are itching for any reason to join the fight.

[@johnlamarca9439]

Hey! Stop that thinking now! We will tell you what truth is! China slipped a spy into their war strategy room? How do they get access to this classified information? Oh- I know! They turn on NBC news media and watch a nationally televised news broadcast!! Wow!! What a display of military genius!! I feel so safe now! Don’t you?

[@mike48931]

I find it interesting that the Chinese team went straight to preemptive attacks on the US in not only US territory but also Japanese territory. I personally don’t see China doing either of those things because a preemptive strike on their part would mean even greater conflict. They would draw NATO members into direct conflict. Japan would likely swiftly pass a resolution to convert their capable defense forces into a standard military organization. Korea may even get involved with the prospect of an attack on their soil increasingly likely based on the attacks on Japan. At that point, China and Russias “no-limit” partnership would be tested and if Russia assists them, it would be global conflict and the likely destruction of everything. Given that being the likely outcome of that decision, I think China would simply invade Taiwan with the expectation that the US response will be no different from what’s happening in Ukraine.

[@vice2versa]

Yeah i didnt understand the whole idea of attacking US bases in Japan.

[@badluck5647]

@@vice2versa A preemptive attack that doesn't take out America's ability to attack doesn't make sense. You would have to take out the air bases in Japan, Guam, South Korea, the Philippines, and the carrier strike groups out at the same time. However, this could happen due to a miscalculation on China's part due them believing Americans are cowardly to the China threat.

[@chickaboomboom2726]

WHAT SO LAUGHABLE IS THAT WHITE WESTERN PEOPLE THINKS THEY HAVE THIS ALL FIGURED OUT. BUT WHITE WESTERN PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE OF WHATS COMING AND WHEN ITS COMING.

[@iflaviorodrigo]

Exactly. I stopped watching this nonsense after this idiotic first move from the red team.

[@acim10]

I am from country in Europe which is member of NATO and I don't see why should my country will be part of this conflict? I don't think that single person in my country is ready to die for Taiwan.

[@yukiokai2650]

Hi, a Japanese here. Mr. Wuthnow said limiting the target to US would delay the involvement of Japan, if I heard him right. I think targeting the US bases in Japan would definitely cause Japan to see the attack as the attack on its soil because, 1. Many of US bases are adjacent to densely developed civilian areas (Naval base in Yokosuka or Sasebo, MCAS iwakuni, Futenma Air station etc etc). Attack on those would certainly inflict damage on civilian areas, and 2. Some bases are shared between US and Japan (e.g. Misawa AFB, oh, and it’s also adjacent to civilian airport too). So again, attack on those would be seen as attack on JSDF as well. I was listening to this whilst cooking my dinner, so sorry if I misheard something. Just wanted to point this out. Either way, it was great discussion.

[@xinliu4097]

Chinese here. Exactly what I thought too. It's in China's interests to confine the war in certain area, meaning area over Taiwan, and also with certain countries, meaning the US only, if possible. So, seems to me, the RED side goes full out for the US bases in the Pacific is not at all wise. Attacking those bases would surely invite retaliations to the targets along China's east coast, where all the best part of our econemy is. Of course we can hit back and make more demage, but the problem is we have much fewer measure to make it happen than the US can do to us. After all, we can not start firing nuclear missles just to revenge a conventional bombing over Shanghai.

[@eastqb]

As Chinese, we will help the Japanese drive away the Americans and free you from the American colonies, so it is best to remain neutral in the event of war. Let the self defense forces protect the people, not be the cannon fodder of the US Army

[@donbarrett3494]

@@eastqb you poor fool, just keep believing what your government tells you, but winning a war against the u.s. wont ever happen.....

[@akro9358]

@@eastqb as an American I assure you that the US is more advanced and ruthless than you might ever expect so don’t hope that an worn out regime will protect you guys if you decide to invade other countries.

[@eastqb]

@@akro9358 Thank you for your reminder, but obviously there are some things you don't know. Taiwan is not a country, and it is not recognized by the United Nations, so the moment the United States sent troops, the United Nations also became a decoration, personally destroying the order created after World War II

[@Saffi____]

No offense but really need to check your "experts" again. There were so many stupid ideas done in this it makes no sense whatsoever. The only one who made real sense was that general.

[@wendigotea6020]

"Stupid ideas" Like what?

[@Saffi____]

@@wendigotea6020 Attacking Japan, attack the US, nuclear strikes etc, all for no reason. A channel called History Legends went over this some time ago so I suggest checking it out. But the basic thing is that these "experts" aren't actually experts and lack the most basic ideas for a war game based on reality.

[@edwardblassingamesr983]

You didn't take into consideration south Korea and Europe being pulled into war especially UK

[@danroot84]

That’s because they might strategically sit this out and play a limited logistics role. China has plenty of manpower and influence to consume these fronts if they wish to join into “hot” war. North Korea, at the direction of China, will keep South Korea busy backed by Chinese, and what is left of Russia, in the North. Europe, being so dependent on China for everything other than energy (Russia for that) will backfill American troops but primarily serve as logistics. Keep in mind, they will still be ramping up for Russian conflicts and Russia could have capacity by then to keep EU nations consumed.

[@thilomanten8701]

India would play a part too. To what avail is yet open...

[@billybobhobnob101]

They also didn't take into consideration of Russia and North Korea being pulled into the war

[@davidmoss2576]

@@thilomanten8701 India is not stupid they know if China falls they are next to be stepped on. They would love to see the West fight China but to get involved in any meaningful way is wishful thinking

[@Blankskeen]

@@davidmoss2576 China has been nothing but hostile to India lol

[@gooner72]

As Helmuth von Moltke said...... "no military plan of operation extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy's main strength." It's a well known saying amongst commanders and has been proven time and time and time again.. The modern short version is "no plan survives the first contact with the enemy" and has been proven time and time again and time again.

[@JamesxKo]

Like Mike Tyson said, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face".

[@svendolepoulsen8734]

"Plans are worthless, but planning is everything." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

[@counted73]

Another EVIL plan of the Satanic government of the US. 😤

[@HT-ww3zg]

@@JamesxKo Perfect!

[@macgurkha1973]

These are the groups that want war with China and other perceived enemy countries. For them, China has become "intolerable" and hence would like to destroy or humiliate China. Basically, they want a rising China and other countries to be subservient and to "know their place" These are the groups 1) Neocons 2) Zionists 3) Evangelical Protestants 4) US/British military suppliers 5) Media Groups 6) "America First" Think Tanks 7) Businesses in direct competition with China

[@kna3577]

I used to play board games mainly due to my interest in historical battles, this is a strategic war game.

[@macmcleod1188]

I always liked pushing tin. Whether it was tanks, Wooden Ships*, napoleonics, or Civil War. * and iron men.

[@Icarus931]

Hoooray!!! Wooden ships and Iron Men!!!!

[@hangender]

I too, like war, and games.

[@Jordan-qu9rv]

It always was mate

[@리주민]

Where can I buy these?

[@abrahambatherindorkarlsamu3816]

"Wars are created by rich and ambitious men but fought by fools" Thomas Sankara The world will be a better place if we all stop being selfish to assume that we are more powerful than others and should have greater control than others. Someday there is going to be a terrible mistake and the world will never be the same again.

[@mindoftheswarm7]

Truth

[@fm-9129]

Utopian my friend. I see you like quotes. Try this one. “Only the dead have seen the end of war.”

[@ncg8259]

The fools are on the top. Soldiers are just brave.

[@nightdragon1710]

Yeah china need to be stopped

[@jonkoh6149]

any discussion over Taiwan that reduces the situation to a contest between US and China is problematic and especially so when it comes to war gaming like this that excludes the involvement of Americas partners and allies in the Asia Pacific. If they want a war game that is truly representative they need to at a bare minimum include officials from Taiwan and Japan or else the exercise is just going to remain theoretical

[@thiloreichelt4199]

There are more neighbouring countries which might not like China taking control of the whole area.

[@qzhang25]

This is like kindergarten kits playing war games, not military strategist.

[@texajp1946]

china would love for japan to get involved, revenge for ww2

[@stealthytree3860]

It is meant to be theoretical??

[@jasond2454]

Pretty sure PLA is not that stupid not considering all your allies. If you want to try, do it.

[@songun101]

"They get tired..but they don't get scared" 🇺🇲

[@chrisnamaste3572]

Leave that to the Europeans.

[@HellishPestilence]

That's what Americans think about themselves. That's not how the Chinese see you. They see a US army that has never seen a fair fight in almost 80 years. And the Russian experience in Ukraine should really tell us that armies that look good against helpless enemies in the Middle East are no good against enemies who fight back

[@aaronjefferson279]

@@HellishPestilence and what do you think the Chinese think of themselves? Who never had a major war at all?

[@imsusanov2287]

USA only won 2 times against Major power First was Germany in WW2 when USSR destroyed over 85% of german forces by then Second was against Japan when USA asked for USSR to clear Japanese forces in Asia

[@haoruchen4216]

@@aaronjefferson279did America ever lose 20 million people in a war?

[@joshuachapman247]

Would actually like to see the entire segment of the war game played out. Would make for some great content.

[@lockelamora8099]

CNAS actually did this one time and took input from people online. You can see it on their channel.

[@weijiaofilm]

As a Chinese living in the US, I, honestly, am fascinated to see this idea, to have a war on the paper board instead of putting it into real action. There will be no winners in war. Peace and love!

[@Floridawoodsbanshee]

Peace and love is for the little people. Profit is for the ???

[@TMarkLenthall]

Back in the late 70s, it was hypothesised that in a European war, Russia would use nuclear weapons, if there was the possibility that they could be completely destroyed on the ground. It was put forward that if this was going to happen, and to stop a complete collapse of the USSR, they would demonstrate their resolve to go full nuclear. The scenario put forward, was that they would obliterate Perth, on the west coast of Australia, thus indicating that there is always the possibility of total destruction of the west, if the USSR is to fall. The thinking behind this was the USSR could show to the western powers, that they were very serious about their future, by the total destruction of a populated, industrial western city. And the demonstration, though completely horrific, the damage was isolated by distance from the rest of the world. Thankfully the clock never got too midnight....

[@counter-intelligence7902]

As far as I know the battle plans for the sowjet invasion of western Europe became public after the collapse of the Sowjet Union. These plans included prolific use of tactic nuclear weapons on the battlefield. Among other things the sowjet planners wanted to nuke Rhine bridges to hamper support from France and passes in the Alps to counter support from Italy. In one such plan they were using something like 50 tactical nukes just in and around Germany. So this WW3 scenario would have gone nuclear from the start.

[@ozziebugga9725]

@@counter-intelligence7902 Yes, i saw an interview with a Russian general who was in charge of what would have been an amphibious and airborne attack on Denmark in the event of WW3. I forget precisely how many but it was over 30 tactical nukes he was to drop, prior to landing, on Denmark alone.

[@gavinhillick]

Only one nation has people so savage to actually use nuclear weapons. Twice. On civilians. Never forget that. The rest of the world doesn't.

[@TMarkLenthall]

@@gavinhillick You talking about the war where over 60 million people died by conventional weapons and disease.

[@gavinhillick]

@@TMarkLenthall What a pathetic attempt at excusing evil. War isn't licence to massacre civilians just so you can demonstrate a weapon. If you think it is then you're really no better than the losers.

[@zadaro]

If you like The View and you wonder what it would be like for the talk show hosts to play war games, this video is for you.

[@derrickdavis7524]

Seriously, they left out cyber, electronic, economic and so many other aspects of any potential war.

[@flossyraven]

@@derrickdavis7524 they can't show/talk about everything obviously 🙄

[@jaydee6268]

This is just to get people talking.

[@MH-be6hr]

Meaning???

[@Rocket_Man.]

@@MH-be6hr free weapons

[@sinisterone4673]

These types of war games scenarios need to be played out every day with actual military and espionage leadership at the table, to have a proper picture of all possible scenarios played out. Which I’m sure goes on. In my opinion there is a high probability of WW3 from a China/ Taiwan war

[@Pyyyyrrrooo]

That IS actual military and espionage leadership

[@joyhouse4625]

This game- invasion proves one thing? Alliance's are needed like in world war 1,2. No one could win a long-term war. I believe everyone should awake up modern warfare is mean strong alliance's 💪.

[@PKay7]

Think tanks like these don’t really show a good sense of actual scenarios and outcomes of a true invasion this same one did one on Ukraine and was so off from what they said to what actually happened. It was very disappointing but predictable. We need real military officials to do these scenarios to get an actual outcome. Like you said this should be done quite often.

[@brianjohnson9368]

These games are played more often than most would realize. Fortunately and unfortunately the takeaways can only be presented to civilian leadership. The final decision come from them. They can listen or "take it under advisement". It's a check/balance benefit to ensure the military is beholden to civilian leadership but it comes at a cost as well.

[@orangemoonglows2692]

i wouldn't put my military/espionage people at that table. they've got better/more important things to do than go on nbc and reveal strategy.

[@timedGuano]

I was most struck by the fact that China automatically gets the initiative-the US and Taiwan can never be 100% sure if this time its just Saber rattling that can be shrugged off or an actual invasion. China essentially gets a guaranteed advantage from that, whatever posture is taken by Taiwan and the USA.

[@LOTUG98]

That's why they keep doing it .

[@dmathmothtutinean8950]

I’ve seen no evidence that anyone has “shrugged off” the possibility of a Chinese attack. Everyone from Australia to the Philippine military to Japan and South Korea has been building new ships and next gen fighters and subs and drones to take out the Covid-19 loving CCP government forces. The USA tried to get along and endorsed allowing the CCP to join the WTO, which, did no good 😡‼️After Covid-19, everyone wants to get a BIG PIECE of the despicable, misanthropic, corrupt CCP and you better believe that🤨🤨‼️

[@anniejiajia]

I spent my childhood growing up with all these threats in Taiwan and so is every Taiwanese people, even till today. Simply recognizing this issue is making me thankful.

[@custossecretus5737]

I agree, it would be easy for China to just sail up to Taiwan without firing a shot and regurgitate its first wave of troops onto Taiwanese beaches to “restore order”. Civil unrest can be staged, plenty of Chinese sleepers in Taiwan and would Taiwan fire first on unarmed troopships? The least amount of collateral means less allies, going hot from day one just draws more and more countries in against China. From Chinas perspective, Taiwan is just another state that’s gone rogue in a civil war decades ago. Few countries actually recognise Taiwan as a country in its own right, so would the world react and on what legal, moral basis would it do so?

[@The_Crazy_Monkey75]

Yes exactly, just like what happened to Russia from the first few days of the invasion. They achieved surprise. The Ukrainians were surprised. Surprised that the Russian military is incompetent, LOL!!

[@royc888]

I hope Maverick, Goose and Iceman will help protect Taiwan's skies when war with China happens

[@shawnxl2419]

Maverick is old and a cult, goose is dead and Iceman has cancer. So when the war breaks out, it's more likely you will be send there.

[@lktan224]

when the days come , all of them need the aid of a walking stick to walk. can they stand all the G forces. 🤣

[@tailung9841]

The USA doesn't protect anybody. The USA ruins lives.

[@DannyChean]

This is the dumbest war game I had seen.

[@oberleutnant4013]

Fully agreed. China will do everything not to pull USA or Japan into the war. Also China will have similar or better air supremacy as Russia has in Ukraine. And unlike Ukraine Taiwan cannot be resupplied by allied nations after the war has started without supporting nations participating in that war.

[@arcs4243]

I am truly worried, if these guys are considered our think tanks on this matter. These are not experts, they have no idea what a real strategy looks like.

[@Dept246]

No way China attacks Japan or Guam. After seeing what happened in Ukraine don’t think China wants an invasion of Taiwan either. An blockade and a bombing of Taiwan would get Taiwan leaders back to the bargaining table.

[@bayonetbrant]

how many have you seen?

[@shawnlee4584]

@@oberleutnant4013 correct! They have no clue what they were talking about…these guys are really funny 😆

[@harindersingh7040]

What a waste of time. Felt like watching a kid show. 😂

[@helifanodobezanozi7689]

Lol! But you not only watched, but commented, which increased MSNBC's revenue!!!!

[@optimusprime4443]

But u still watched the whole thing didn't you

[@harindersingh7040]

@@helifanodobezanozi7689 I agree but didn’t watch whole,

[@aburden8580]

@@helifanodobezanozi7689 Do you think your comment is constructive and intelligent? Do you enjoy real life, face to face conversation? Should any of us consider revenue? This is a place where different people from around the world can meet. Helifano-go to the library. Stay there.

[@helifanodobezanozi7689]

@@aburden8580 The point is, when you comment on a KZbin video, positive or negative, you boost its visibility. So rather than complaining, the best course of action is NOT to post. (Even a "thumbs down" helps the poster. If you are disappointed, then don't feed the algorithm! Otherwise you are putting it in front of more people. And yes to all of your questions. You should be very concerned with anyone you financially empower! This (KZbin) is actually a commercial enterprise, not a public discussion hall. LOL!!!

[@alvaro6094]

I can honestly honestly say I had the honor to have lived next to the generation that fought and died for what was right. They're all gone now. But I won't let them be forgotten. They were kind very brave people and Humanity must never forget what they fought and died for

[@Joel-tz8ct]

How old are you

[@arumba7345]

They died for nothing as humans are constantly shifting but conflict never changes.

[@johnl8428]

It can be your turn to do your country proud to fight and die for the defense of taiwan, if it really comes to war that so many of you are clamoring for

[@makiuo8675]

For the one who from taiwan, a reality show if US attack china military first, otherwise china without any possible to attack US, but that TV show with not catch one's eye , in fact taiwan is part of china , mostly taiwanese will stand with china not US , US will not got any benefit. in fact china govement absolutely not topple down at future , that war will cause the world will not go on the good way , that's why US will not interfere that and also no reason interfere,most of taiwansese belive they are part of china. in fact taiwan is part of china on constitution of taiwan govement. Taiwan's economic was closeness with China ,and 2.7million taiwanese was living china, foreign trade was more then 50% to china, that's why taiwanese will help china and we still do that at moment.

[@ogi5699]

@@arumba7345 ​ nah. If I had to die In any war, it would be in the European theatre of ww2. Germany was trying for literal world occupation and racist supremacy. Most wars are kind of BS. Taiwan and Ukraine are grey areas imo, likewise, many other wars are grey areas.

[@elsieschmaltz6754]

Ignoring war doesn't prevent war.Being prepared to protect.

[@rickjames18]

I agree, which is why I get annoyed when people complain about the US military budget despite the protection that budget buys.

[@Thestuffonmainstreet]

It absolutely does

[@TonytheTaiwaneseTurtle]

There are some comments questioning whether PLA can be as effective as in the simulation, but this looks more like a stress test scenario: the US forces are initially dispersed, US can only call for limited allies, and perfect coordination of air and amphibious operation of PLA.

[@zhangsen]

但是这场压力测试是没有意义的 台湾不是一个国家 是中国的省份 这是国际公认 美国总喜欢把精力 金钱 花在这些没有意义的事情上 而愚蠢的美国人民 还觉得他们的政府的举动 多正义 不过我能理解 毕竟美国只有200年的历史 还很幼稚 西方总觉得自己是世界 其实只是科技水平 但在文化上 真的弱爆了 中国第一看向西方 看到了马其顿和波斯 那时候我们在春秋战国时期 中国第二次看向西方 看到了罗马帝国 那时候我们叫汉 中国 第三次看向西方时 看到了裂开的罗马帝国 正好我们也裂开了 中国第四次看向西方 看到了萨珊和拜占庭 和更加裂开的欧洲 而我们 统一了 叫唐 中国第五次看向西方 拜占庭还在 英国和法国这两小子也出生了 哦还有个一点也不神圣的罗马 而我们叫宋 中国第六次看向西方 没啥变化 不过欧洲人被蒙古欺负的挺惨 我们也挺惨 不过最后是一家人了 那时候我们叫元 中国第七次看向西方 看到一个叫奥斯曼的帝国 听说欧洲人被打的挺惨 哦对了 传言他们是从中国北方被打跑的突厥人 那时候我们叫明 中国第八次看向西方 发现你们欧洲人 玩起了黑科技 搞工业了 德国这小子也出来了 那时候我们叫清 这次让你们西方人教育了 中国第九次看向西方 就是现在 没黑科技了吧? 该回归正常了 小屁孩们 希望中国第十次 看向西方时 你们还在!

[@Madame702]

US fast attack subs are going to town if they attack. They will take out any ship that go into Taiwan straights.

[@davidc2072]

@@zhangsen China looks west for the 10th time and US and Taiwan take away all their chips like with Huawei. China goes back to the Stone Age since they can only copy others. Last Chinese invention was gunpowder.

[@zannrebel1217]

@@zhangsen Better hope China is still a country then, so they can look a tenth time🤣

[@alexlawson6768]

since china hit the us first i think nato would be involved after that

[@user-lt4zu5pl7c]

This was awful, the "red team" was doing nothing that China would do in a war

[@mikehunt9788]

The wargame is pretty unrealistic in the sense that the people representing the Chinese are dumber than reality.

[@awesomeaxiegameplays7296]

I agree.

[@jeffdanelek2132]

This war game was a waste of time. The moment Chinese forces hit targets on American soil--especially Hawaii--it goes from being a Chinese-Taiwan conflict to becoming a full blown (and probably declared) U.S.-Chinese war. At that point the Chinese will need to be worried about defending its mainland and less about whether it can take Taiwan, which at that point becomes more of an sideshow. The other point that wasn't sufficiently addressed was the role of America's vast nuclear submarine fleet; a handful of these attack boats would quickly annihilate China's surface and submarine fleet, leaving any forces that might have gotten ashore on Taiwan without logistical support. The scenario as laid out in this exercise would be catastrophic for China (though not without significant cost to America and her allies) and likely end in a regime change in Beijing. The only thing that can be done is to convince China that regardless of how much they would like to regain Taiwan, it simply isn't a military reality and they would be better served to join the nations of the world rather than oppose them. If they are truly serious about reunification with Taiwan, they should pursue increasingly closer political and economic ties with the island in the hopes of one day peacefully reunifying through mutual consensus. In other words, Taiwan could vote to become an autonomous province of China while retaining its democratic infrastructure. Any effort to reunify the two China's by force, however, will forever end any chance of China ever regaining it's "lost" territory.

[@hallo84]

Everyone assumes China needs to take taiwan. The realistic scenerio is that China just needs to wipe taiwan off the maps. China has no need for Taiwan. This isn't the donbass where there are ethnic russians who still loves russia. Taiwanese has been indoctrinated in the last 20 years to believe they are no longer chinese thus china has nothing to gain by taking and holding land. It just need to turn everything into waste so that Taiwan cannot be used by the US as a deterance.

[@jayl8034]

I totally agree. This was a waste of time. Surely INTEL would know a conflict was imminent. The US would have 3 Carrier groups in the Pacific east of Taiwan. The Chinese would have all naval assets to interdict any supply to Taiwan as well as submarines to address those US carrier groups. China attacking Alaska??? Really?? Alaska is fuel and radar. Hitting Hawaii or San Diego would instantly make it a China-USA war. China's stratified supply system, and the US' SLBM's weren't even thought of.....

[@jeffdanelek2132]

@@hallo84 It was never about taking land. It was never about the US using Taiwan as a deterant. Taiwan is a symbol of resistance to the irresistible forces of Communism. The fact that Taiwan is doing much better under capitalism and democracy than China is under Communism only points out the failures of Mao's China. As long as Taiwan exists, China can never "feel" like a great nation. Besides, how does one "wipe" an island of over 12,000 square miles off the map?

[@quantum9571]

Wonder why didn't Abraham Lincoln thought of that "hopes of one day peacefully reunifying through mutual consensus"?

[@hughmungus2760]

the capabilities of US submarines is overrated, when use in litoral waters off the chinese coast they would get spotted very easily by the chinese version of SOSUS and dispatched by ASW aircraft launched from the mainland. They also run a huge risk of just blundering into chinese diesel subs that are lying in ambush. They would never get within torpedo range of ships in the taiwan strait and would be spotted the moment they fired off cruise missiles near it. The only use for US subs would be fighting in the open seas and as nuclear deterance.

[@BelloBudo007]

I found this interesting. I've never listened-in on how people think and reason things out in such a way. Of course it could be miles away from reality. None the less I found how people thought things through, most revealing.

[@dimitrisgregan553]

This ppl are psychopaths in this channel

[@RevolutionaryGuitar]

@一波未平 I think the Chinese people have left their culture behind and become brainwashed by the CCP.

[@youtubeoppressivecensorshi8047]

@一波未平 yes we Will and we will defend them . We won’t make same mistake in Ukraine. We will send a fleet to defeat and humiliate communist Chinese goverment

[@youtubeoppressivecensorshi8047]

@一波未平 no it has not. China had many famines in the last 100 years just like last 20 years there was any growth . The zero Covid policy is failing and back firing . Making china look like a nightmare to live in with no democracy or freedom of speech . I think democracies have better advantage over communist china

[@BrusselsSouth]

@一波未平 The west is doing more officially business with Taiwan now and dont care what China says.

[@Airdrifting]

US: Having 6000 nukes and dozens of nuclear submarines. China adds a few nukes for self-protection. US: We are very concerned and this is posing a great threat to the free world.

[@HZV1492]

I just lost all my brain cells

[@tonylicata8078]

Just watched this, and it's preposterous. In their scenario, the Chinese strike THREE states and the US does not retaliate by hitting the Chinese mainland? Bad enough if they hit our bases in Guam and Japan, etc., but San Diego? Hawaii? If they did that we'd take out one or more of their major ports--probably Shanghai--which would immediately choke off their export-driven economy. And we wouldn't need to nuke it--cruise missiles launched from submarines would do the job nicely. Xi may be ruthless, but he's not crazy.

[@abelincoln6785]

Hey the goal is to create fear and create a boogeyman. Don't look at the actual problems we have, lets make some up to distract its from reality.

[@carolinabuckeye1]

That was at the end of turn 3. Turn 4 would have seen the Blue team retaliate and escalate.

[@formernavyspook]

It's as if these participants have never heard of a Tomahawk cruise missile launched from an attack submarine, let alone the US Navy's four Ohio-class SSGNs.

[@christopherlee7334]

@@formernavyspook exactly. As soon as the Homeland was hit I'd personally be expecting Radio to be giving the CO an EAM to launch.

[@kimeli]

it will be a nuclear war, can we survive a nuclear war here in the US?

[@hungnguyen-tr4cn]

Ukraine mistake is to believe Russia will not attack and Ukraine should alert and get military ready for a invasion in first place

[@lindagonzalez5513]

Nah, Ukraine’s mistake was to trust the US ! The US uses other countries to fight proxy wars to fill the pockets of the military industrial complex .

[@zachgamr99]

It's interesting they fail to mentiion India. The Quad has been meeting in force lately and I have huge doubts India would not want to square away their border with China if not exploit Beijing's turned backs to them and go straight for Tibet.

[@brightlight3520]

India would act. Japan would act. But so would Russia , North Korea and China. And thus South Korea would be pulled in right away too.

[@zachgamr99]

@@brightlight3520 Exactly, I can understand why they would want to roleplay a game of the key actors but I find any real scenario would be a lot more complex and involve many more countries making moves.

[@derekh9209]

@@brightlight3520 I doubt that NK and Russia will act. The former doesn't have money and will to help China. The latter will hold grudges over China's inaction during Ukraine invasion. IF China were losing, Russia might even invade China from the north to 'help' US, just like USSR took 4 islands from Japan at the end of WWII.

[@justice_crash2521]

@@brightlight3520 EZ WW3

[@nighthawk4298]

Lol if india enter into war with china Pakistan also will enter into the war boom ww3 😂

[@yaboialphapsi-krieger2709]

The general is the only one with a sane and logical mind in this session. These are your so called "experts"?

[@wordscatchfire6950]

Grooming the public for WWIII? Awesome....

[@ruoyuli4091]

war mongers war mongering

[@Estebanlc25]

Predictive Programming. These people are evil evil

[@wordscatchfire6950]

@@Estebanlc25 extremely

[@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263]

@@Estebanlc25 Is just calling preparing for the worst

[@LazyPixcell]

a few key factors that are not considered in their scenario. 1. their scenario is a bit aggressive even for china most likely china will not invade guam or japan US bases. but very likely use a blockade of small ships - even including china's militia of FISHING BOATS as blockade. knowing that US forces might not directly fire a percieved civilian ships. 2. as of current. there are no present US FORCES in the philippines. Unless a aircraft carrier was deployed beforehand to preposition ships and planes. 3. any movement that china that is outside of its territory will be automatically be noticed and cause of alarm for US forces. If China moves a single ship close to japan or guam it will surely be noticed ahead of time.

[@AwesomeBlackDude]

I noticed you missed the best scenario that needs to be mentioned here, where are your evacuation plans for United State citizen?

[@charles8769]

Seeing bong bong in power its more likely the philippines stay out or even help china lowkey

[@bryanjackson8917]

Any hostile move by China - even blockading naval ports - would be seen by the US as an act of war and would mean that the US would immediately bring its full military strength to the defense of Taiwan. China does not want this to happen, so it will not undertake any such foolishness.

[@lumapas]

No u.s. forces here in the Philippines 😤

[@DeclinedMercy]

China's fishing fleet is a part of China's military, which is the only reason they've not ever been fired upon or seized by any of the nations whose waters they routinely plunder. You can't use civilians as a defensive shield in conflict. Some of their Maritime Militia, which blend into the fishing fleet and act as though they are regular fishing ships until activated, actually carry mines and anti-aircraft weapons among other things, plus they can be used to support amphibious landings. By forming a blockade at the command of the PLN with active military hidden amongst them, they would be demonstrating that they are a willing military target. They'll be given a chance to surrender if they don't strike first, but America will absolutely fire upon them.

[@achmadyazir1039]

This is quite sick. What is the matter with Americans?

[@ruoyuli4091]

mainstream media is under the control of NEO-CONs and NEO-Liberals

[@lindagonzalez5513]

I agree with you 💯 % ! They are trying to manufacture consent for war with the American public this is their ploy ! We all need to stand up and say no war ! No sending US troops to die to fill the pockets of the military industrial complex ! No to using our tax payer money for war ! We need to take care of the American ppl and fix our infrastructure!

[@stevencher9968]

US has and will be the main cause of war in the world. These white supremacists think that they of own the right to meddle in every country's internal affairs and politics. They behave as the self appointed savior which in fact is the demon that will bring WW3.

[@thomaslau1214]

America must has its way.

[@ec6133]

China is the one who wants to start all this.. but blame the us instead..

[@wolfenwingsable]

This is possibly the worst joke I've seen. No clue about actual capabilities or tacfics.

[@_x__q]

Brought to you by Lockheed Martin.

[@jogiunico4702]

If you have an island and want to defend it. What you need: 1. A sea mine belt of thousands of sea mines around your island. No one will reach your island by ship. 2. Air defense with intelligent defense systems and drones and the reduction of landing opportunities for helicopters and aircraft. 3. Tunnel systems and underground structures for the protection of important resources. That is the basis of the defense.

[@slammerw3]

Nice ideas. They should also have long range cruise missiles. So the enemy will know there will be a painful retaliation. Additionally use ballistic missiles to target tunnels, train tracks bridges and other military infrastructure.

[@donsullivan6199]

Yes then in tree months the island would starve to death.

[@ahhahchuang5926]

@@donsullivan6199 Embargo and sabotage Taiwan for period .No ship enter the harbor and oil and gas. No water coming from Fukien Province.

[@kimeli]

then how would it import and export in peace time?

[@madeinbih1]

Taiwan has been preparing for this last 75 years. Let that sink in.

[@bigheadrhino]

But so has China…

[@Robert-xn3dc]

​@@bigheadrhino Sounds like when you see the turtles fight in the nature documentaries.

[@DSandy111]

Taiwan should give every person a rifle.

[@san209nha9]

@@DSandy111 "every person a rifle" won't work nowadays, it is fatal to the ordinary people. Ukrainian army rejected 90% volunteer foreigners who didn't have battle field experience. Build more bunkers like Switzerland and surveillance camera network for the major cities Acquire or produce more robot soldiers, UAV, remote control machine guns and anti-tank launchers, etc Teach people how to fly drone, with bottles of wine.

[@donderstorm1845]

taiwan has barely prepared at all actually. their conscripts have poor morale and equipment, and they barely train for a chinese invasion scenario. taiwan alone has no chance at winning. they are quantitatively and qualitatively much weaker than the PLA. that goes for every part of their military, whether you're talking the navy, air force, army, missiles, etc. everything relies on the US to defend taiwan. in 2022 i'd say the US would defend taiwan. in 2032 or 2042, i'm not so sure.

[@hereitisagain4880]

It is 3900 km from Philippines to Japan. It is 2000 km from China to japan. The US thinks it can come to the rescue with an air battle over Formosa? Delusional.

[@michaelpaddy6021]

These moves doesn't take in consideration that Taiwan will also defend itself.

[@wimpymcsteel4458]

Although it was not stated, I think it did. That was why China only had a foothold on the island by the end of day 3, and the President of Taiwan was still ruling the country.

[@mikenekosama4426]

@@wimpymcsteel4458 No mention was made of how many invading Chinese ships would be wiped out by US/Taiwanese/Australian forces during a marine invasion? Who knows, India might even join in on the fun.

[@khabibnurmagomedov9707]

@@mikenekosama4426 and also there is no mention how many us and Allied forces casualties.

[@davidmoss2576]

@@mikenekosama4426 Do you realize how far Australia is from Taiwan? No way Australia would have the guts to attack Chinese ships they would be at the bottom of the ocean. Not to mention that would give them a reason to invade Australia

[@mikenekosama4426]

@@standown2080 LOL! US nuclear subs are the quietest in the world. That's one reason why Australia dumped the French sub deal and opted for US subs. And Chinese subs are easily detected by Japanese sonar.

[@kungabagana2748]

This made me laugh

[@noahway13]

Yes. I don't know how this is even slightly realistic.

[@gregb210]

why? are you too simple minded to understand?

[@AJxxxxxxxx]

This was so fuckn fascinating to watch, I would pay just to watch retired Generals and experts play war games in different scenarios

[@devin8811]

Same.

[@mzfklmzf]

A little tip for saving millions of lives: DO NOT enter the war in the first place!

[@freetolook3727]

Strategies & Tactics! Anyone remember that magazine from the 1970's that came with a free board game with every issue?

[@davidcrockett8865]

Great exercise. We need to fast forward our alliance building and preparations. Not having PPP was a strategic mistake

[@markhensley4397]

What happened with the use of one or two aircraft carriers to project power? I was surprised no aircraft carrier was even mentioned. Therefore, it would seem this War Game was unrealistic, perhaps even a waste of time, because naval assets were underutilized in crucial moments. The US would never go into a fight as gamed and not utilize at least one aircraft carrier which has the firepower of a standing country in the middle of the ocean. The other thing that jumped out to me, the US response was timid and reactionary. The Chinese side was out aggressive, they went for the jugular. The Under-Secretary was not much help in the matter. If we go into a war with China we need to win! In comparison, the Blue Team was soft compared to the Red Team. I am well aware we are looking at human casualties, I would rather us die winning than die with a tie.

[@hughmungus2760]

@Cool Sparkz True, even right now its an open question if US carriers can survive 1000km off the chinese coastline, losing a single carrier would be a catastrophic blow to the US military, way more than losing an airbase just because on an airbase things are far more spread out.

[@keyboardmanyoutube9700]

@Cool Sparkz same thing with all the Taiwanese missiles aimed at China’s ships so what’s your point

[@keyboardmanyoutube9700]

@@hughmungus2760 same thing with all the Taiwanese missiles aimed at China’s ships so what’s your point

[@keyboardmanyoutube9700]

@@catherina7792 same thing with all the Taiwanese missiles aimed at China’s ships so what’s your point

[@hughmungus2760]

@@keyboardmanyoutube9700 Taiwan's missiles are slow, short range and few in number.

[@PreppingWithSarge]

“You have to have a peace posture that deters” Like letting a balloon fly over our military bases unchallenged? Like that? 😂

[@iddomargalit-friedman3897]

That was actually pretty smart, allowed more time to analyse, including cyber and encryption. It depends on how much information did the US think the chinese could get from that.

[@Ricardo-lb4so]

Then, as conclussion of first 48 hour campaign analysis. China has learned that for a succesful strategic strike it must hit US air base in Okinawa (heavily striken) and the carrier task force deployed in South China sea (the carrier being disabled or sunk) simultaneously. If China goes to set foot on taiwan, it would need to disable the US response forces nearby. And to keep a close eye on Guam and Clark base in Luzon. China probably already have eyes on the sky on that target linked to their hypersonic middle range BM.

[@julientyt]

As a Taiwanese I was like WTF it's not a game but I get the appeal...

[@thomaswayne1852]

It’s a game to the players. Not so much to the locals. Genuinely wonder if you, Julien, want this “played out.”

[@pingq2081]

As a Taiwanese, you should know Taiwan is a province of China and Taiwan is ruled under the Republic of China.

[@mikenekosama4426]

@@pingq2081 LOL! Taiwan in NOT a "province", it IS the Republic of China!

[@____Wolf]

I get where you're coming from but I think you misunderstand the label. The term "war game" is really just used to distinguish the fact that this is purely a hypothetical scenario being discussed, and no one is actually giving out the orders in the scenario for real.

[@johnsullivan8673]

@@mikenekosama4426 You ever looked at the RoC national map?

[@mradobo3935]

"Knock out punch on Guam" That strategy didn't work too well for Japan. It unified the west to enter the war. China hasn't been in a war for over 50 years. That kid needs to go back to playing Call of Duty..

[@stex477]

Nobody in China will think attacking any US base including Guam is an option. Don't be fooled by all these "games".

[@zoka7108]

Japan didn't have double the industrial capacity of the USA

[@mariposabay4006]

China isn't too smart but sometimes they think they are too smart.

[@simpleman-v6t]

Yeah no experience, even russia againt ukraine are failing

[@adambmorzen]

@@zoka7108 Japan didn’t have to fight the full force of multiple technologically advanced powers either. What industrial capacity advantage China has will be reduced to shreds by the time the war gets going. Like Japan in World War II it’s going to be China on one side and everybody else on the other

[@alvaro6094]

World War II was not about taking another country's resources. It was about saving lives.

[@andre0000000007]

amateurs.. no idea at all about strategy. this is like watching kids play war. absolute waste of time.

[@eriksonyw]

I gave u a thumbs up for agreeing that this vid is absolute waste of time. However, those people aren't amateurs though. Instead, I think they are paid behind the door for making propaganda like this along with NBC network. It's shame for the NBC... I once thought that they are better than CNN, FOX news, BBC, and Sky news... guess i was wrong.

[@bigfr3nzy466]

PLAYING CALL OF DUTY IN YOUR MOMS BASEMENT DOES NOT MAKE YOU A MILITARY STRATEGISTS !!!

[@lookarabbit2888]

Japan said they will defend Taiwan, USA said they defend Japan. China said they would nuke if they had to fight Japan.... Yeah this wouldn't go well.

[@darrylweaver7462]

Amphibious actions are complexed and difficult! The multi domain inter operability is crazy!! So,, tactically and operationally, I do not understand how they think that the PLA are even close to pulling this off clean. A build up on the Chinese coast triggers an alert. US PACOM assest are heavily air defended. And coastal sustainment nodes are first targeted. Finally the ferry trip without embark and disembark bottlenecks is 4 hours you are talking about a D Day scale movement. 4 times the distance while heavily defended by Taiwan Japan Australia and the US. ASSUMING THEY DONT COMPLETELY SCREW UP!! Then after that, now a ground fight!! I think this team missed on this scenario.

[@georgewashington7982]

The thing with these war games they always put the most dangerous scenario possible that could happen. Which is a good thing. Doing war games where the US always wins wouldn’t help recognize our weakness. They do these war games for a reason, to prepare for the worst so in future battles we can win

[@mikenekosama4426]

@@georgewashington7982 Did they even consider Taiwanese defenses against invading Chinese ships? Or Taiwanese booby-traps on its western coast?

[@georgewashington7982]

@@mikenekosama4426 why tf are you asking me as if I played the game? 🤣

[@mcb4067]

@@mikenekosama4426 China has over 17,000 fishing boats and would mass them to absorb a lot of missiles. But i keep imagining a whole bunch of sunk ships along taiwans shoreline and wonder if it would block the next wave from coming. its really is beyond the imagination to see how this would play out

[@LoneBrowncoat]

@alain Troll account: kzbin.info/door/gLLXKTLOWRzTVopfVVuPAQabout

[@LionRex9250]

The US Air Force General seemed extremely bored during that discussion. Bet he knows much more than he gives away. "Those who know don't speak, and those who don't know speak."

[@billthehat6973]

been war gaming ( board games not computer games ) since the mid-60's, and this "round table" approach is very much like the way it is done at high government levels. IMO, when the Chinese hit Pearl, the US would go nuts and launch the nukes, at the very least on the invasion embarcation ports.

[@redleader2211]

no they absolutely would not. nukes only get introduced if China is insane enough to go beyond conventional weapons.

[@mcomeadow]

At which point it would be goodbye world....

[@bluecrossfire1984]

I think I disagree with this panels outcome. Once the Chinese attacked Hawaii and hit Japan, the "gloves would be off" and the war would move past Tawain. It would become a serious world war and China could not win that war, especially with the multitude of nations against them at that point.

[@davidmoss2576]

You are clearly not up to date on world military matters. The only way for the US not to lose is a nuclear war. So basically total destruction of the world and for what? What was the prize?

[@christopherlee7334]

As soon as Hawaii is hit it would escalate to strategic nuclear strikes

[@bneira75]

Very interesting, but I found it unrealistic that China would preemptively attack the United States in its own territory and also Japan. That would be reckless and the surest way to pull in the United States and its allies into the conflict. It would also give political cover to whomever is the President at that time to act. Without an attack on American soil, the public will be very skeptical of involving the Country in a far away war with China, a major power, to defend Taiwan. Recklessness is not the Chinese way, they are anything but reckless. The best way for China would be to defeat Taiwan in a week or two without attacking anyone else but giving a stern warning that intromission would mean war. Then present the World with a fait accompli. If Russians hadn't been so incompetent, they would have gotten away with the invasion of Ukraine before the rest of the World would have had the chance to intervene. The Chinese are aware of that.

[@jimmieraper5807]

You can see the Chinese being hostile like that that's really not how they do business but for most of history China is always a superpower so we're going to have to figure out how to deal with that

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

The US Marines recently purchased Iron Dome from Israel. Why don’t we give it to Taiwan?

[@feels.like.coffee]

This should be turned into a new series on Geek and Sundry

[@gedalyahreback2133]

MORE WAR GAME EPISODES PLEASE

[@wendigo63music55]

Game Of -Thrones- Missiles.

[@ericsinclair5424]

I think the US response was way to muted in this simulation. After having Hawaii bombed and attempted bombings of California and Alaska the USA would almost certainly retaliate against a high profile target such as Beijing.

[@thesswb4463]

It would also cause NATO/OTAN to be forced to get Involved

[@Nafets-C]

@@thesswb4463 and then nato will collectively try to invade china which will you know, just donating the lives of young soldiers. And then, desperation comes, how bout exchange of nuclear warheads. That would be wonderful to erase the cities of china beijing shanghai, and cities of usa new york california and all major european cities. That's a fantastic way of ending our lives

[@Naples-Florida]

Then, I think China will certainly retaliate against US high profile targets such as NY and DC.

[@gregb210]

I agree with Eric.

[@GTRNights]

Agreed, before it even got to that point, attacking US in Japan was an attack on NATO and would trigger Article 5. The Red Team has no idea what China would do, or how they would do it. A pre-emptive strike against US/NATO would be the dumbest thing they could do.

[@trungnguyen2097]

Leave Free or Die Taiwan. I have lived with Communism and suffered. Fight for your Freedom and your children.

[@philipstewart4474]

Strange game… the only way to win is not to play… “how about a nice game of chess” 🙏

[@mariposabay4006]

That's a good advice for China.

[@user-mv6he6gl8m]

Tick-tack-toe - Great movie! Dr Strangelove and MAD might be mentioned too...

[@davidmoss2576]

@@mariposabay4006 China isn't coming to Gulf of Mexico playing war games

[@LoneBrowncoat]

@@user-mv6he6gl8m ....On The Beach

[@schishne7546]

11:47 Explains problem about the air superiority 12:27 Let's send some SEALs

[@new15ronaldo]

This was a missed opportunity to introduce the game battleship to a whole new generation. Very dissatisfied.

[@tjk3430]

Battleship is too easy like Guess Who?

[@christopheryeung1944]

Absolutely ridiculous that an American is playing the Chinese side and suggesting "first strikes" on Guam and Japan by China. China has never executed a preemptive strike in the history of the nation's founding. It is simply not something the state would do.

[@jakel8627]

As a Brit, I'm patriotic for the west and even the USA. I want our side to win. However, strategically speaking, what if just let Taiwan defend itself? Can China actually occupy it without essentially committing genocide? The cost of war could be so huge. We can solve this diplomatically.

[@Lee_NE_87]

Sadly, the loss of microchips 92% of the advanced chips come from that island. We can’t make cell phones let alone advanced military weapons anymore. Beyond that, Taiwan can defend itself to some degree. The problem is that ratio to deter china gets smaller and smaller. Thus the need for added support from elsewhere increases. An interesting kicker in this to me would be Honk Kong and how they react as there might be enough unrest that they revolt and supply Anti Chinese forces a staging point to cut into the china mainland.

[@CruizerTom]

Also, China having control of Taiwan would mean that the choke belt established around China preventing them from accessing the Pacific Ocean without passing by US allied bases would be compromised. The US doesn't want that, as it would be a tremendous strategic gain for China. Chinese submarines freely cruising in the Pacific Ocean understandably doesn't put The Pentagon at ease.

[@wendigo63music55]

Or with laughing gas attack.

[@gavinhillick]

It's like Dungeons and Dragons for psychopaths. I love how they tell us to just not think about how this starts. They'll be saying the same thing when it happens for real.

[@aegis1321]

hahaha

[@grantzeng6436]

It would only benefit US military complex. American, mind your own business! Let Chinese people solve their own issue.

[@leoslml]

Taiwanese are not Chinese. That is like saying "American, mind your own business! Let caucasian people solve their own issue." Taiwan will defend itself if there is an invasion. Taiwan is preparing for an invasion. But a clear stance of support of Taiwan from the free world could prevent the war outright.

[@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263]

Chinese people? There are Austronesian in Taiwan. GTFO Northern Chinese. if we gonna go ethnicities, this is supposed to be just Hokkien, Hakka, Hokchew and Austronesians Issues. GTFO northern Chinese

[@baguette2816]

Guys just remember that war games are designed where the “friendly” forces are significantly nerfed as sort of a “worst case scenario” so that we can learn what needs to be improved. If we win every war game then there’s no lessons to be learned, which leaves us unprepared.

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

IF Taiwan is truly part of China. Which according to history it certainly is. Why would or should the US be involved in this conflict?

[@mrsentencename7334]

It’s a democratic country now mate. As a Brit I say we go take back… everywhere. Muppet

[@fargr5926]

USA broke its promise in Cairo Declaration 1943, handed China to USSR through Yalta treaty, then waited for China to take Taiwan. But Korean war instead happened, then USA regret. Then USA used Taiwan to handle China for decades, now it's time for USA to determine what's the next step.

[@roberttaylor5997]

Would you also say that according to history, Ireland is surely part of the UK? Taiwan and mainland China have effectively been apart for nearly 130 years since Taiwan was ceded to Japan by Qing-dynasty China in 1895, with only four years "together" from 1945 to 1949 while the Nationalists were losing the civil war. Before Japanese rule, the history of large-scale Chinese migration into Taiwan went back only 300 years, and the Qing government never effectively ruled the whole island.

[@jl2494]

@@roberttaylor5997 Taiwan was part of china and taken way by Japan, and returned to China after WWII. Chinese Nationalists lost mainland china to Chinese communists, but kept Taiwan under its control. Both Chinese Nationalists and Chinese communists recognized TaiWan was part of China, and both wanted to unite whole china. War between Mainland China and Taiwan, if that happens, will be pure civil war.

[@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263]

it is not according to History lmaoooo. Taiwan aboriginals are Austronesian

[@parveltstone8214]

Taiwan would likely have more or less a month if warning before china launch an invasion fleet since it would be very difficult to hidden such a large assembly of ships and logistics behind it all, would likely alert everyone especially after Ukraine

[@hughmungus2760]

What if china makes an assembly of that many ships a yearly thing?

[@Juho221]

@@hughmungus2760 That would be likely. Just like it's an everyday thing now that Chinese fighter jets go to Taiwanese airspace

[@lambertlum1087]

@@hughmungus2760 A yearly assembly of a fleet on the scale of D-Day? No one is going to load a million troops on ships for a yearly assembly. if such a fleet assembles, it is for one purpose, and that is the invasion of Taiwan.

[@edwardcardozo8325]

@@hughmungus2760 that would be too much giving the fact that all PLA soldiers are single-son

[@davidmoss2576]

Even if China told Taiwan the time, date, and location of attack they could not stop the outcome. The price of reunification is never too high to the Chinese so there is no way for them to lose. It would be 1 month maybe 6 weeks max.

[@BearFlagRebel]

Why the government should fund computer gaming developers. Distribute the war games to the public and see the resolution of each scenario. Have a game that simulates from the strategic to the tactical level.

[@DSandy111]

Why does the govt have to fund computer gaming developers? Come on man! 😏

[@BearFlagRebel]

@@DSandy111 because I like wargames. 😀

[@davidmoss2576]

The Pentagon already war game this scenario to death.

[@bhigh82]

I'll take a 12yr old who plays command and conquer any day over these plebs.

[@marloyt7786]

Red team's first move is to attack guam much like how Japan's first move in WW2 was to attack pearl harbor in hopes to crush American capabilities in the pacific. However, we all know how that ended.

[@timber_wulf5775]

Guam isn’t even a first line naval base. It’s a base that exists for supply and support. But the airforce base is a different story

[@delanofernandes6471]

First of all murica wont fight china they wont even safe ukraine they rather watch and send some weapons second of all china is not japan. China economy and navy amount and population and army amount and tanks amount is just way bigger and china has a bigger navy

[@timber_wulf5775]

@@delanofernandes6471 china has a bigger navy but they do not have a bigger combat fleet. Their subfleet is a literal joke too

[@delanofernandes6471]

@@timber_wulf5775 something china has that US does not have is hypersonic missles. They go at insane speed and go way lower than normal missles wich makes the radars to detect it later. Normal rockets get shot in a bow and land on its target in one straight line. The hypersonic missle can maneuver verry good in mid air making it even harder combined with the low attitude and the speed they go with it will be a sertan hit if fired towards a aircraft carrier

[@bugstomper4670]

When can I buy the board game?

[@Dan-cn2rj]

I have a feeling better qualified men were passed over for female representation.

[@Dan-cn2rj]

On that note why was the literal general silent

[@aftiger9276]

It's laughable watching them show China flying bombers over South Korea to hit Japan. So much for taking these analyst seriously, they forget that US has a large military in South Korea. No where did they even try to hit the US bases there but left them alone to hit Japan which is much further.

[@ShortyTW867]

Why did they fail to mention that the USAF has global stealth reach via B2, along with low level B1. Also, they acted as if an amphibious landing, especially on Taiwan was just a matter of showing up and walking up the beach after firing some missile at Taipei. WTF!! Taiwan's geography would be night mare for even the US Marines to land on (hence why we didn't in WW2) and they have over 80 years of experience and prep. China has never done one amphibious landing ever. In fact, the last war China was way back in 1979 and they were push out of Vietnam. I think it's good to be prepared, but I really believe you're giving China way more credit than they merit. It sounds like you guys have been watching Fox "news" for too long and you are stating to believe that rabble they're insecently spewing. China is good at copying, which more than suggested that they lack true ingenuity and integrity. It is also know that their military is deeply corrupt. Why was none of this taken into consideration? This whole thing makes me think, "Hmmmmm..."

[@lagrangewei]

from the mainland, u can board a helicopter and fly straight over the presidential office of taiwan. it is within air assault range. they don't even need to land on the beach to capture the president. this is why the latest ROCA plans has shifted division away from the coast and into the city. because they now realise the PLA doesn't even need to do D-Day to win, they can win by air so they have to defend the city from air assault. and this means the coast is now even more undermen, in fact they only have 1/3 of the men required to effectively defend the beach. my country is the only country to have military unit in taiwan. US may have personal in taiwan but they do not have formations. so as the only country to have train in and seen the operation of both PLA and ROCA in their respectative country, I really don't think Taiwan is ready or even interested to defend themselves. for one, we are not threaten by any country, and yet we have 2 year conscription just like south korea. do you have any idea how long military service is in Taiwan? 4 month. can you even use an ATGM properly in 4 month? i am not even sure u can get past basic training in 4 month! these are not soldier that can fight. the fact that the government doesn't have the poltical will to have their citizen serve for 2 years, is very telling, they care more about making money then fighting. because you are asking the population to give up 20 month of private sector salary by going from 4 month to 2 years. that's what they are really thinking about.

[@lagrangewei]

US think they can use Taiwan as a wall against China, but Taiwan is not a wall, it is a door. the geography of Taiwan is actually problematic for the defender. because the island is divide by a mountain range in the center that run north to south. and all the cities of taiwan are on the side facing the mainland in the west of the island. I travel alot in taiwan, and the entire network literally depend on a couple of highway to link the country north to south. which mean it is very easy to cut the city of from each other since there is a mountain in the middle. there is an airbase on the east side, but that is it. and a single airbase cannot turn the tide of war. so if the side facing mainland fall, it is over. they don't need to take the mountain, they don't need to take the east coast. in fact I believe they will just allow those that want to "escape" mainland rule to leave into the eastern part of the country. and that will be when we see the real loyalty of the people appear, how many would abandon their home and job leave to the east just to be "free"... I really don't think Beijing intent to capture Taiwan by force, if they enter Taiwan, it would be under the claim of "defending the people from chaos", all they need is to wait for some kind of protest, and protest happen in democracy all the time, put a few sinper in the protest like what US did in ukraine, chaos will begin and China would come in as a "peacekeeper". since UN recognise Taiwan belong to China, there is nothing anyone can say against that.

[@hughmungus2760]

US strategic bomber fleets are limited by the kind of weapons they carry, subsonic tomahawks that rely on GPS satellites still functioning arent going to cut it. China will absolutely shoot down US satellites if it feels the war is getting serious. And the US losing the ability to locate and track chinese naval assets at standoff ranges will put the US and china on equal ground.

[@hughmungus2760]

US strategic bomber fleets are limited by the kind of weapons they carry, subsonic tomahawks that rely on GPS satellites still functioning arent going to cut it. China will absolutely shoot down US satellites if it feels the war is getting serious. And the US losing the ability to locate and track chinese naval assets at standoff ranges will put the US and china on equal ground. Taiwan will basically be the next azovstal. it will be bombed and blockaded until they run out of ammo and fuel.

[@marinaclarasanchezsuarez2905]

lol

[@monteziggler3776]

This is some high school model UN level stuff...everyone involved should be embarrassed

[@thebigwarthog]

China would lose due to a naval blockade and the only way out would be to ship goods and fuel via Russia.

[@everythingisfine9988]

Russia can't ship anything. They're pretty much blocked. And all the oil goes through the streets of Malacca which can be easily cut off by the US, India, Australia and a whole host of other nations.

[@Asskiller2011]

But blockage of what? Chinese export products? But China selling products all over the world including U.S and western countries. If you just block the crude oil China already have many pipe line that the transport from land. Moreover, US don't have any military edge over in South China Sea. Blockage could more like another way around.

[@donderstorm1845]

the only imports china really needs for survival is oil. they can stockpile, ration, and increase overland imports to survive for at least several years. then you'd have to ask the question whether taiwan can last as long under a blockade. the answer is no. it's a tiny island with a large population. china can't be blockaded near china because of large missile stockpiles, so it'd have to be done at the 2nd island chain. this means taiwan gets blockaded as well by the PLA.

[@levelazn]

@@everythingisfine9988 There is no way for us to defend Taiwan without sinking its own pacific fleet via hypersonic missiles. And before any shots are fired. China can simply form a naval blockade to collapse the Taiwanese economy, at the same time seize all taiwnanese business and cut off sending goods to the United States. The us will suffer from hyper inflation due to lack of essentials and enter into recession. There would be mass riots and Chinatowns arming themselves to resist anti Chinese violence. Essentially a civil war would break out. At the sametime there will be protests and civil unrest in major cities due to commodity shortage. layer on top cyber attacks on all fronts crippling communications and knocking out of satellites. America will basically go dark

[@everythingisfine9988]

@@levelazn go dark? The United States has been an energy exporter since 2019. Are you familiar with the technology called "fracking"? And as far as China's blockade. China has no natural oil resources and could only get some. And I mean "some" oil from Russia vast majority comes on boat via the Middle East. Something the Japanese or Indian or Australian and American navies can easily block. China would turn into a bronze age civilization within a year. What else are you going to say? The Russians are a powerful military?? I think these dictators are proving exactly how effective they are at doing anything right.

[@alvaro6094]

The new generation of Americans have forgotten what the great grandfathers fought and died for.

[@KINGERTADC_yay]

WTF is this

[@adamson5779]

Honestly, its more like a Global FTW, said backwards.

[@sevrent2811]

By the way, right now as we speak China is building 5-7 destroyers simultaneously. Meanwhile, we can only build like 2 at the same time. By the end of this decade, it's very much possible that China's navy will catch up with ours. China is also launching their first supercarrier this summer, becoming the only country outside the US to have one. This is not a Soviet Union cold war 2.0. We are in much more dire straits than we have ever been in the cold war. The Soviets have never been this much of a threat throughout their history. Everyone needs to know this, everyone needs to focus on it, and pressure congressmen/women to move move move.

[@rickjames18]

I agree, the threat is real, and the US needs to plan ahead but do not fall for CCP propaganda either. China is doing a lot worse than most would suspect. As for the PLAN, well, they may have the ships soon but no experience in how to use them. Either way, the US needs to take this more seriously and start funding the military like we mean business.

[@sevrent2811]

@@rickjames18 The Chinese are moving to seriously train their soldiers to operate ships. Right now as we speak China is doing Carrier ops off the coast of Taiwan, practicing for the real deal. Assuming that they are just incompetent is a bet I don't want to make. We have to assume and prepare for the worst in order to succeed decisively The US needs to invest in short term assets, and set up strategic moves with allies in the region. Giving Taiwan weapons such as artillery, air defense, and anti-ship missiles should be a top priority. We cant hope to match Chinese shipbuilding capacity in this decade. We need to buy anti-ship missiles, and hypersonics to counter the PLAN. While also making massive investments to build and modernize our ship yards so we can build more ships. The current FY-23 budget proposal is wildly inadequate

[@rickjames18]

@@sevrent2811 The current budget plan for the next decade is completely insane not just 23. The Navy is actually decommissioning a lot more than they are building to save money or future plans. As for training, yes the Chinese are training and no we should not underestimate them at all but the CCP tactics and training are not modern to say the least. Like I said, I agree, the US needs to take this issue a lot more seriously. Taiwan should be focusing on asymmetric warfare and what you said is part of that.

[@yummytummy88]

@@sevrent2811 The Chinese has been training their soldiers since WW2, given the Korea War where US and UN can't defeat the North Korean and the Chinese volunteer army during the 50s with second tier weapons. What make you think the US has superior military might against China, now or next 10 or 20 years. Like the Japanese said after they bombed pearl harbor, never wake the sleepy gaint, in this case the dragon.

[@tsng2281]

@@rickjames18 I'm just going to paste a previous comment I've made: I think it's better for Western countries to be a bit more humble and assume their opponents to be a bit stronger than they appear to be -- and make plans based on the worse case scenario. So less statements about how China would eventually fail but more cautious preparations for how to combat a powerful China, and then if China were less powerful it'll just be a relief for the West

[@smorgan125]

Insane

[@jfiles640]

taiwan is a country, not just a self goverened island.

[@avus-kw2f213]

The underestimation of North Korea is shocking & if these are experts i’m a whole lot better than I think I am

[@daxtynminn3415]

North Korea is unlikey to get involved and I think China prefers it that way.

[@avus-kw2f213]

@@daxtynminn3415 I doubt America would take troops away from South Korea when North Korea is literally in the suburbs of Seoul

[@YT.Gameion]

The only problem with North Korea is their secrecy they may say they have something, but then later is proven false. Most of their claims are bs. They instead end the world than summiting the free world same as Russia. China is less likely because the U.S and China depend on each other

[@michaelsauer9129]

@@daxtynminn3415 Or just the opposite. Use the DPRK as a diversion and when the US is distracted hit Tawain then. Of course there is probably a plan for that too.

[@whirledpeas1663]

Advertising for the Military Industrial Complex.

[@Luisito-id1bx]

Exactly. I don't understand how all the fools commenting in this thread don't see the real purpose behind this segment. They want to normalize the concept of war in the eye of the American public. This is insane.

[@technoir2584]

Taiwan would look just like Ukraine. I hope they are building bunkers.

[@julientyt]

Taiwan has been preping since 1949, bunkers are everywhere.

[@siamcharm7904]

most will be annihilated in spite of bunkers.

[@ab9840]

Most of Ukraine is flat. Around 70% of Taiwan is mountainous. Mountainous areas are not easy to conquer.

[@technoir2584]

@@ab9840 Im all for Taiwan. You can see the devistation done to Ukraine with modern conventional weapons. Take the size of every city that Russia has destroyed in Ukraine and compare it to the size of Tiawan. One of these days the military exorcise is going to be an attack. Be ready!

[@ianchen8582]

Most of these ‘bunkers’ are just underground parking, I dunno how effective they will be against missile strikes

[@Andrew-BDK]

You can’t compare Afghanistan war with This conflict.

[@fliu5282]

You people totally ignored the Info on U.S. Pacific 7th Fleet patroling the Taiwan Strait with USS Ohio (SSGN 726) is the first of her class of ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs) and guided missile submarines (SSGNs) carrying Nuclear Warhead.

[@hughmungus2760]

@John Grigg not anymore, china has a full suite of ASW aircraft all coming online in these past few years.

[@michaelsauer9129]

The Ohio class SSGNs are scheduled to be retired at about the time of this scenario, along with some other Navy ships, many are worried about the reduction on capability this will cause and suggest that the time chosen here would be the ideal time for China to make its move. Some new block Virginia's will have augmented standoff land attack capability, but nothing as concentrated as the converted Ohios. None of the SSBNs are now or will be anywhere neat the Tawain straights. And would not be used unlkess China uses as nuike first - and more then likely it would have to be on vs US soil or major overseas base or fleet.

[@pjhoody]

can one do this for a living in the private sector and does it pay well?

[@clintonvincent2801]

😅 hahaha 😄awesome that would be...

[@ruoyuli4091]

you can work for inifinti ward and come up with creative story lines

[@elchicano187]

The world seems to be going to 💩 let us hope all this stops and peace prevails ☮️

[@theshittybowman]

Absolutely.

[@lindagonzalez5513]

Agreed !

[@susanh.352]

How many of those people playing a board game actually have any military experience? Incredible.

[@wendigo63music55]

How many generals have military experience at the level they are currently employed? None - whenever they are successful, they get promoted. The military version of the Peter Principle.