War Games: The Battle For Taiwan

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War Games: The Battle For Taiwan

[@oscarm.1417]

"Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face" Mike Tyson

[@taylorwhiting5732]

Sums up Russia's invasion perfectly

[@clintonvincent2801]

Dud if can't take a few hits in the face and a bloodied nose don't fight louser. 😤

[@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle]

@alain did you see Russia's failed attempt to take over Keiv, and then to make their loss look better they claimed that it was their plan all along to retreat?

[@levelazn]

@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle There is no way for us to defend Taiwan without sinking its own pacific fleet via hypersonic missiles. And before any shots are fired. China can simply form a naval blockade to collapse the Taiwanese economy, at the same time seize all taiwnanese business and cut off sending goods to the United States. The us will suffer from hyper inflation due to lack of essentials and enter into recession. There would be mass riots and Chinatowns arming themselves to resist anti Chinese violence. Essentially a civil war would break out. At the sametime there will be protests and civil unrest in major cities due to commodity shortage. layer on top cyber attacks on all fronts crippling communications and knocking out of satellites. America will basically go dark

[@johnsullivan8673]

@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle Russia's first move was no where near aggressive enough. They definitely miscalculated Kiev's control on the military and the civilian population. But make no mistake, despite what the MSM outlets here are telling you, Ukrainians are being grinded down and they're increasingly deploying asymmetrical methods, and Russia hasn't even fully mobilized. Unless NATO is willing to directly intervene, the writings are on the walls.

[@TexasConnor]

The lady who said put some seals on the island by submarine to support the marines has literally no idea about combat and how it works…

[@user-yh1nm1vy3i]

Totally unrealistic. They need some people with actual experience.

[@ChongiFishing]

How about doing this again but with actual generals

[@Flornmonk]

Generals are doing this all the time but we're definitely not allowed to see it.

[@Epic-so3ek]

I somehow feel like that would be cooler…

[@Soshiaircon91]

Listening to these experts analysis on how a war game plays out will certainly rot your brain.

[@HZV1492]

I just lost all my brain cells

[@songun101]

"They get tired..but they don't get scared" 🇺🇲

[@chrisnamaste3572]

Leave that to the Europeans.

[@HellishPestilence]

That's what Americans think about themselves. That's not how the Chinese see you. They see a US army that has never seen a fair fight in almost 80 years. And the Russian experience in Ukraine should really tell us that armies that look good against helpless enemies in the Middle East are no good against enemies who fight back

[@aaronjefferson279]

@@HellishPestilence and what do you think the Chinese think of themselves? Who never had a major war at all?

[@imsusanov2287]

USA only won 2 times against Major power First was Germany in WW2 when USSR destroyed over 85% of german forces by then Second was against Japan when USA asked for USSR to clear Japanese forces in Asia

[@haoruchen4216]

@@aaronjefferson279did America ever lose 20 million people in a war?

[@Saffi____]

No offense but really need to check your "experts" again. There were so many stupid ideas done in this it makes no sense whatsoever. The only one who made real sense was that general.

[@wendigotea6020]

"Stupid ideas" Like what?

[@Saffi____]

@@wendigotea6020 Attacking Japan, attack the US, nuclear strikes etc, all for no reason. A channel called History Legends went over this some time ago so I suggest checking it out. But the basic thing is that these "experts" aren't actually experts and lack the most basic ideas for a war game based on reality.

[@mariohuang9754]

The wargame is pretty unrealistic in the sense that the people representing the Chinese are dumber than reality.

[@edwardblassingamesr983]

You didn't take into consideration south Korea and Europe being pulled into war especially UK

[@danroot84]

That’s because they might strategically sit this out and play a limited logistics role. China has plenty of manpower and influence to consume these fronts if they wish to join into “hot” war. North Korea, at the direction of China, will keep South Korea busy backed by Chinese, and what is left of Russia, in the North. Europe, being so dependent on China for everything other than energy (Russia for that) will backfill American troops but primarily serve as logistics. Keep in mind, they will still be ramping up for Russian conflicts and Russia could have capacity by then to keep EU nations consumed.

[@thilomanten8701]

India would play a part too. To what avail is yet open...

[@billybobhobnob101]

They also didn't take into consideration of Russia and North Korea being pulled into the war

[@davidmoss2576]

@@thilomanten8701 India is not stupid they know if China falls they are next to be stepped on. They would love to see the West fight China but to get involved in any meaningful way is wishful thinking

[@Blankskeen]

@@davidmoss2576 China has been nothing but hostile to India lol

[@TheDocAfro]

I just saw this, and the strategy at 5 mins and some change of attacking US forces in Japan wouldn't bring Japan into war is BEYOND ridiculous. The facilities we use in Japan are shared facilities, meaning that if an attack were to occur there would be a high probability of indirectly attacking Japanese forces, which would bring Japan in this war.

[@pulsatingsausageboy2076]

Wouldn’t even take that. If a single bomb hits Japanese soil that would be enough for them to feel threatened and get involved.

[@dalao2yang]

@@stevelucky7579 ......japan need to worry about it's existence first and only. Any attack to china from Japan will trigger maybe......10 hydrogen bombs I would say from north to south. Then there would be no Japan. I like Japan. It would be tragic if Japan get involved.

[@henryairconcepts2999]

South Korea would join the war too. Pretty soon WW3

[@Riptionator]

The Japanese are blood thirsty for a war with China. They are itching for any reason to join the fight.

[@johnlamarca9439]

Hey! Stop that thinking now! We will tell you what truth is! China slipped a spy into their war strategy room? How do they get access to this classified information? Oh- I know! They turn on NBC news media and watch a nationally televised news broadcast!! Wow!! What a display of military genius!! I feel so safe now! Don’t you?

[@abrahambatherindorkarlsamu3816]

"Wars are created by rich and ambitious men but fought by fools" Thomas Sankara The world will be a better place if we all stop being selfish to assume that we are more powerful than others and should have greater control than others. Someday there is going to be a terrible mistake and the world will never be the same again.

[@mindoftheswarm7]

Truth

[@fm-9129]

Utopian my friend. I see you like quotes. Try this one. “Only the dead have seen the end of war.”

[@ncg8259]

The fools are on the top. Soldiers are just brave.

[@yaboialphapsi-krieger2709]

The general is the only one with a sane and logical mind in this session. These are your so called "experts"?

[@leoslml]

I am Taiwanese, and I want peace and safety for my country, but the wargamers on the Chinese side are stupid in this video. Most likely, China will use a prolonged maritime blockade to weaken Taiwan but leave the airspaces open. Give time to Taiwanese people who are afraid to flee through commercial airlines. Then use militarized fishing boats to invade Taiwanese waters, force Taiwan to fire first, call it a domestic issue, and bombard Taipei till the country losses morale. At the same time threatening nuclear war if any other country intervenes but avoiding direct conflict with all other countries. Well, that would be how I would invade my country. Also how we are preparing against the invasion. God bless Taiwan.

[@ashleyyunlin8159]

At least it lets members of congress role-play and think about how to react when or if China becomes openly militarily aggressive. This is much better than regular NBC content.

[@leoslml]

@@ashleyyunlin8159 isolation will be the key of success for China to invade Taiwan.

[@yohohoho-yohohoho]

Imagine a foreign country from thousands of miles away who violates your sovereign space daily and has literally hundreds of military bases around you and they plan these war games and openly talk about how to contain and destroy you. That's what the US is doing to China. The one who wants peace the most is the mainland but China will defend its own territories from foreign interventions. If you're calling yourself Taiwanese you should read your 'country' that is ROC's constitution. What the current regime in Taipei doing is literally betraying it owns constitution and pursuing a path of treason.

[@ruoyuli4091]

I am Chinese American, china doesn't need to do any of that, all china has to do is nationalize Taiwanese business in china and seize its assets, taiwnese economy will collapse and will have to come to the negotiation table and accept terms and conditions

[@jackma1548]

But US government are recognized Taiwan and China are the same Country. and we United States government wants to Using Taiwan like Ukraine as a tool for counters Russia and China. That all.

[@mike48931]

I find it interesting that the Chinese team went straight to preemptive attacks on the US in not only US territory but also Japanese territory. I personally don’t see China doing either of those things because a preemptive strike on their part would mean even greater conflict. They would draw NATO members into direct conflict. Japan would likely swiftly pass a resolution to convert their capable defense forces into a standard military organization. Korea may even get involved with the prospect of an attack on their soil increasingly likely based on the attacks on Japan. At that point, China and Russias “no-limit” partnership would be tested and if Russia assists them, it would be global conflict and the likely destruction of everything. Given that being the likely outcome of that decision, I think China would simply invade Taiwan with the expectation that the US response will be no different from what’s happening in Ukraine.

[@vice2versa]

Yeah i didnt understand the whole idea of attacking US bases in Japan.

[@badluck5647]

@@vice2versa A preemptive attack that doesn't take out America's ability to attack doesn't make sense. You would have to take out the air bases in Japan, Guam, South Korea, the Philippines, and the carrier strike groups out at the same time. However, this could happen due to a miscalculation on China's part due them believing Americans are cowardly to the China threat.

[@chickaboomboom2726]

WHAT SO LAUGHABLE IS THAT WHITE WESTERN PEOPLE THINKS THEY HAVE THIS ALL FIGURED OUT. BUT WHITE WESTERN PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE OF WHATS COMING AND WHEN ITS COMING.

[@iflaviorodrigo]

Exactly. I stopped watching this nonsense after this idiotic first move from the red team.

[@acim10]

I am from country in Europe which is member of NATO and I don't see why should my country will be part of this conflict? I don't think that single person in my country is ready to die for Taiwan.

[@weijiaofilm]

As a Chinese living in the US, I, honestly, am fascinated to see this idea, to have a war on the paper board instead of putting it into real action. There will be no winners in war. Peace and love!

[@Floridawoodsbanshee]

Peace and love is for the little people. Profit is for the ???

[@timedGuano]

I was most struck by the fact that China automatically gets the initiative-the US and Taiwan can never be 100% sure if this time its just Saber rattling that can be shrugged off or an actual invasion. China essentially gets a guaranteed advantage from that, whatever posture is taken by Taiwan and the USA.

[@LOTUG98]

That's why they keep doing it .

[@dmathmothtutinean8950]

I’ve seen no evidence that anyone has “shrugged off” the possibility of a Chinese attack. Everyone from Australia to the Philippine military to Japan and South Korea has been building new ships and next gen fighters and subs and drones to take out the Covid-19 loving CCP government forces. The USA tried to get along and endorsed allowing the CCP to join the WTO, which, did no good 😡‼️After Covid-19, everyone wants to get a BIG PIECE of the despicable, misanthropic, corrupt CCP and you better believe that🤨🤨‼️

[@kozaiorz]

I spent my childhood growing up with all these threats in Taiwan and so is every Taiwanese people, even till today. Simply recognizing this issue is making me thankful.

[@custossecretus5737]

I agree, it would be easy for China to just sail up to Taiwan without firing a shot and regurgitate its first wave of troops onto Taiwanese beaches to “restore order”. Civil unrest can be staged, plenty of Chinese sleepers in Taiwan and would Taiwan fire first on unarmed troopships? The least amount of collateral means less allies, going hot from day one just draws more and more countries in against China. From Chinas perspective, Taiwan is just another state that’s gone rogue in a civil war decades ago. Few countries actually recognise Taiwan as a country in its own right, so would the world react and on what legal, moral basis would it do so?

[@The_Crazy_Monkey75]

Yes exactly, just like what happened to Russia from the first few days of the invasion. They achieved surprise. The Ukrainians were surprised. Surprised that the Russian military is incompetent, LOL!!

[@yukiokai2650]

Hi, a Japanese here. Mr. Wuthnow said limiting the target to US would delay the involvement of Japan, if I heard him right. I think targeting the US bases in Japan would definitely cause Japan to see the attack as the attack on its soil because, 1. Many of US bases are adjacent to densely developed civilian areas (Naval base in Yokosuka or Sasebo, MCAS iwakuni, Futenma Air station etc etc). Attack on those would certainly inflict damage on civilian areas, and 2. Some bases are shared between US and Japan (e.g. Misawa AFB, oh, and it’s also adjacent to civilian airport too). So again, attack on those would be seen as attack on JSDF as well. I was listening to this whilst cooking my dinner, so sorry if I misheard something. Just wanted to point this out. Either way, it was great discussion.

[@xinliu4097]

Chinese here. Exactly what I thought too. It's in China's interests to confine the war in certain area, meaning area over Taiwan, and also with certain countries, meaning the US only, if possible. So, seems to me, the RED side goes full out for the US bases in the Pacific is not at all wise. Attacking those bases would surely invite retaliations to the targets along China's east coast, where all the best part of our econemy is. Of course we can hit back and make more demage, but the problem is we have much fewer measure to make it happen than the US can do to us. After all, we can not start firing nuclear missles just to revenge a conventional bombing over Shanghai.

[@eastqb]

As Chinese, we will help the Japanese drive away the Americans and free you from the American colonies, so it is best to remain neutral in the event of war. Let the self defense forces protect the people, not be the cannon fodder of the US Army

[@donbarrett3494]

@@eastqb you poor fool, just keep believing what your government tells you, but winning a war against the u.s. wont ever happen.....

[@akro9358]

@@eastqb as an American I assure you that the US is more advanced and ruthless than you might ever expect so don’t hope that an worn out regime will protect you guys if you decide to invade other countries.

[@eastqb]

@@akro9358 Thank you for your reminder, but obviously there are some things you don't know. Taiwan is not a country, and it is not recognized by the United Nations, so the moment the United States sent troops, the United Nations also became a decoration, personally destroying the order created after World War II

[@kna3577]

I used to play board games mainly due to my interest in historical battles, this is a strategic war game.

[@macmcleod1188]

I always liked pushing tin. Whether it was tanks, Wooden Ships*, napoleonics, or Civil War. * and iron men.

[@Icarus931]

Hoooray!!! Wooden ships and Iron Men!!!!

[@hangender]

I too, like war, and games.

[@Jordan-qu9rv]

It always was mate

[@user-nf9xc7ww7m]

Where can I buy these?

[@wesleymills2641]

That's exactly what Japan thought 80 years ago. Here we go again. Somebody gonna try us again.

[@rocky1942racoon]

These people are idiots. China would do everything they could to keep the US out of the war. If they do strike they would be looking to sink the carriers just like in WW2. Carriers are way more important than US military bases in Guam and Japan because you can launch a massive attack from an unknown location.

[@gavinhillick]

It's like Dungeons and Dragons for psychopaths. I love how they tell us to just not think about how this starts. They'll be saying the same thing when it happens for real.

[@wordscatchfire6950]

Grooming the public for WWIII? Awesome....

[@ruoyuli4091]

war mongers war mongering

[@TribeofDanVasco]

Predictive Programming. These people are evil evil

[@wordscatchfire6950]

@@TribeofDanVasco extremely

[@potatopower2144]

Should people not prepare for that possibility? The Chinese have been preparing their people for decades!

[@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263]

@@TribeofDanVasco Is just calling preparing for the worst

[@jeffdanelek2132]

This war game was a waste of time. The moment Chinese forces hit targets on American soil--especially Hawaii--it goes from being a Chinese-Taiwan conflict to becoming a full blown (and probably declared) U.S.-Chinese war. At that point the Chinese will need to be worried about defending its mainland and less about whether it can take Taiwan, which at that point becomes more of an sideshow. The other point that wasn't sufficiently addressed was the role of America's vast nuclear submarine fleet; a handful of these attack boats would quickly annihilate China's surface and submarine fleet, leaving any forces that might have gotten ashore on Taiwan without logistical support. The scenario as laid out in this exercise would be catastrophic for China (though not without significant cost to America and her allies) and likely end in a regime change in Beijing. The only thing that can be done is to convince China that regardless of how much they would like to regain Taiwan, it simply isn't a military reality and they would be better served to join the nations of the world rather than oppose them. If they are truly serious about reunification with Taiwan, they should pursue increasingly closer political and economic ties with the island in the hopes of one day peacefully reunifying through mutual consensus. In other words, Taiwan could vote to become an autonomous province of China while retaining its democratic infrastructure. Any effort to reunify the two China's by force, however, will forever end any chance of China ever regaining it's "lost" territory.

[@hallo84]

Everyone assumes China needs to take taiwan. The realistic scenerio is that China just needs to wipe taiwan off the maps. China has no need for Taiwan. This isn't the donbass where there are ethnic russians who still loves russia. Taiwanese has been indoctrinated in the last 20 years to believe they are no longer chinese thus china has nothing to gain by taking and holding land. It just need to turn everything into waste so that Taiwan cannot be used by the US as a deterance.

[@jayl8034]

I totally agree. This was a waste of time. Surely INTEL would know a conflict was imminent. The US would have 3 Carrier groups in the Pacific east of Taiwan. The Chinese would have all naval assets to interdict any supply to Taiwan as well as submarines to address those US carrier groups. China attacking Alaska??? Really?? Alaska is fuel and radar. Hitting Hawaii or San Diego would instantly make it a China-USA war. China's stratified supply system, and the US' SLBM's weren't even thought of.....

[@jeffdanelek2132]

@@hallo84 It was never about taking land. It was never about the US using Taiwan as a deterant. Taiwan is a symbol of resistance to the irresistible forces of Communism. The fact that Taiwan is doing much better under capitalism and democracy than China is under Communism only points out the failures of Mao's China. As long as Taiwan exists, China can never "feel" like a great nation. Besides, how does one "wipe" an island of over 12,000 square miles off the map?

[@quantum9571]

Wonder why didn't Abraham Lincoln thought of that "hopes of one day peacefully reunifying through mutual consensus"?

[@hughmungus2760]

the capabilities of US submarines is overrated, when use in litoral waters off the chinese coast they would get spotted very easily by the chinese version of SOSUS and dispatched by ASW aircraft launched from the mainland. They also run a huge risk of just blundering into chinese diesel subs that are lying in ambush. They would never get within torpedo range of ships in the taiwan strait and would be spotted the moment they fired off cruise missiles near it. The only use for US subs would be fighting in the open seas and as nuclear deterance.

[@user-lt4zu5pl7c]

This was awful, the "red team" was doing nothing that China would do in a war

[@hereitisagain4880]

It is 3900 km from Philippines to Japan. It is 2000 km from China to japan. The US thinks it can come to the rescue with an air battle over Formosa? Delusional.

[@zadaro]

If you like The View and you wonder what it would be like for the talk show hosts to play war games, this video is for you.

[@derrickdavis7524]

Seriously, they left out cyber, electronic, economic and so many other aspects of any potential war.

[@flossyraven]

@@derrickdavis7524 they can't show/talk about everything obviously 🙄

[@jaydee6268]

This is just to get people talking.

[@MH-be6hr]

Meaning???

[@Rocket_Man.]

@@MH-be6hr free weapons

[@andre0000000007]

amateurs.. no idea at all about strategy. this is like watching kids play war. absolute waste of time.

[@eriksonyw]

I gave u a thumbs up for agreeing that this vid is absolute waste of time. However, those people aren't amateurs though. Instead, I think they are paid behind the door for making propaganda like this along with NBC network. It's shame for the NBC... I once thought that they are better than CNN, FOX news, BBC, and Sky news... guess i was wrong.

[@bigfr3nzy466]

PLAYING CALL OF DUTY IN YOUR MOMS BASEMENT DOES NOT MAKE YOU A MILITARY STRATEGISTS !!!

[@LionRex9250]

The US Air Force General seemed extremely bored during that discussion. Bet he knows much more than he gives away. "Those who know don't speak, and those who don't know speak."

[@Mexican_Hero]

I honestly wanna play this game we're can I get it?

[@jonkoh6149]

any discussion over Taiwan that reduces the situation to a contest between US and China is problematic and especially so when it comes to war gaming like this that excludes the involvement of Americas partners and allies in the Asia Pacific. If they want a war game that is truly representative they need to at a bare minimum include officials from Taiwan and Japan or else the exercise is just going to remain theoretical

[@thiloreichelt4199]

There are more neighbouring countries which might not like China taking control of the whole area.

[@qzhang25]

This is like kindergarten kits playing war games, not military strategist.

[@texajp1946]

china would love for japan to get involved, revenge for ww2

[@stealthytree3860]

It is meant to be theoretical??

[@jasond2454]

Pretty sure PLA is not that stupid not considering all your allies. If you want to try, do it.

[@sinisterone4673]

These types of war games scenarios need to be played out every day with actual military and espionage leadership at the table, to have a proper picture of all possible scenarios played out. Which I’m sure goes on. In my opinion there is a high probability of WW3 from a China/ Taiwan war

[@SwanSong1503]

That IS actual military and espionage leadership

[@joyhouse4625]

This game- invasion proves one thing? Alliance's are needed like in world war 1,2. No one could win a long-term war. I believe everyone should awake up modern warfare is mean strong alliance's 💪.

[@PKay7]

Think tanks like these don’t really show a good sense of actual scenarios and outcomes of a true invasion this same one did one on Ukraine and was so off from what they said to what actually happened. It was very disappointing but predictable. We need real military officials to do these scenarios to get an actual outcome. Like you said this should be done quite often.

[@brianjohnson9368]

These games are played more often than most would realize. Fortunately and unfortunately the takeaways can only be presented to civilian leadership. The final decision come from them. They can listen or "take it under advisement". It's a check/balance benefit to ensure the military is beholden to civilian leadership but it comes at a cost as well.

[@orangemoonglows2692]

i wouldn't put my military/espionage people at that table. they've got better/more important things to do than go on nbc and reveal strategy.

[@schishne7546]

11:47 Explains problem about the air superiority 12:27 Let's send some SEALs

[@anonymlulz8273]

Enjoyed this new south park episode. I love how the characters just want a full blown ww3 totally forgetting China is not a 3rd world country.

[@itmakesyouthink]

Back in the late 70s, it was hypothesised that in a European war, Russia would use nuclear weapons, if there was the possibility that they could be completely destroyed on the ground. It was put forward that if this was going to happen, and to stop a complete collapse of the USSR, they would demonstrate their resolve to go full nuclear. The scenario put forward, was that they would obliterate Perth, on the west coast of Australia, thus indicating that there is always the possibility of total destruction of the west, if the USSR is to fall. The thinking behind this was the USSR could show to the western powers, that they were very serious about their future, by the total destruction of a populated, industrial western city. And the demonstration, though completely horrific, the damage was isolated by distance from the rest of the world. Thankfully the clock never got too midnight....

[@counter-intelligence7902]

As far as I know the battle plans for the sowjet invasion of western Europe became public after the collapse of the Sowjet Union. These plans included prolific use of tactic nuclear weapons on the battlefield. Among other things the sowjet planners wanted to nuke Rhine bridges to hamper support from France and passes in the Alps to counter support from Italy. In one such plan they were using something like 50 tactical nukes just in and around Germany. So this WW3 scenario would have gone nuclear from the start.

[@ozziebugga9725]

@@counter-intelligence7902 Yes, i saw an interview with a Russian general who was in charge of what would have been an amphibious and airborne attack on Denmark in the event of WW3. I forget precisely how many but it was over 30 tactical nukes he was to drop, prior to landing, on Denmark alone.

[@gavinhillick]

Only one nation has people so savage to actually use nuclear weapons. Twice. On civilians. Never forget that. The rest of the world doesn't.

[@itmakesyouthink]

@@gavinhillick You talking about the war where over 60 million people died by conventional weapons and disease.

[@gavinhillick]

@@itmakesyouthink What a pathetic attempt at excusing evil. War isn't licence to massacre civilians just so you can demonstrate a weapon. If you think it is then you're really no better than the losers.

[@kungabagana2748]

This made me laugh

[@noahway13]

Yes. I don't know how this is even slightly realistic.

[@gregb210]

why? are you too simple minded to understand?

[@wolfenwingsable]

This is possibly the worst joke I've seen. No clue about actual capabilities or tacfics.

[@PreppingWithSarge]

“You have to have a peace posture that deters” Like letting a balloon fly over our military bases unchallenged? Like that? 😂

[@iddomargalit-friedman3897]

That was actually pretty smart, allowed more time to analyse, including cyber and encryption. It depends on how much information did the US think the chinese could get from that.

[@joshuachapman247]

Would actually like to see the entire segment of the war game played out. Would make for some great content.

[@lockelamora8099]

CNAS actually did this one time and took input from people online. You can see it on their channel.

[@tonylicata8078]

Just watched this, and it's preposterous. In their scenario, the Chinese strike THREE states and the US does not retaliate by hitting the Chinese mainland? Bad enough if they hit our bases in Guam and Japan, etc., but San Diego? Hawaii? If they did that we'd take out one or more of their major ports--probably Shanghai--which would immediately choke off their export-driven economy. And we wouldn't need to nuke it--cruise missiles launched from submarines would do the job nicely. Xi may be ruthless, but he's not crazy.

[@abelincoln6785]

Hey the goal is to create fear and create a boogeyman. Don't look at the actual problems we have, lets make some up to distract its from reality.

[@carolinabuckeye1]

That was at the end of turn 3. Turn 4 would have seen the Blue team retaliate and escalate.

[@formernavyspook]

It's as if these participants have never heard of a Tomahawk cruise missile launched from an attack submarine, let alone the US Navy's four Ohio-class SSGNs.

[@christopherlee7334]

@@formernavyspook exactly. As soon as the Homeland was hit I'd personally be expecting Radio to be giving the CO an EAM to launch.

[@kimeli]

it will be a nuclear war, can we survive a nuclear war here in the US?

[@smorgan125]

Insane

[@bugstomper4670]

When can I buy the board game?

[@gooner72]

As Helmuth von Moltke said...... "no military plan of operation extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy's main strength." It's a well known saying amongst commanders and has been proven time and time and time again.. The modern short version is "no plan survives the first contact with the enemy" and has been proven time and time again and time again.

[@JamesxKo]

Like Mike Tyson said, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face".

[@svendolepoulsen8734]

"Plans are worthless, but planning is everything." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

[@counted73]

Another EVIL plan of the Satanic government of the US. 😤

[@HT-ww3zg]

@@JamesxKo Perfect!

[@macgurkha1973]

These are the groups that want war with China and other perceived enemy countries. For them, China has become "intolerable" and hence would like to destroy or humiliate China. Basically, they want a rising China and other countries to be subservient and to "know their place" These are the groups 1) Neocons 2) Zionists 3) Evangelical Protestants 4) US/British military suppliers 5) Media Groups 6) "America First" Think Tanks 7) Businesses in direct competition with China

[@freetolook3727]

Strategies & Tactics! Anyone remember that magazine from the 1970's that came with a free board game with every issue?

[@mzfklmzf]

A little tip for saving millions of lives: DO NOT enter the war in the first place!

[@alvaro6094]

I can honestly honestly say I had the honor to have lived next to the generation that fought and died for what was right. They're all gone now. But I won't let them be forgotten. They were kind very brave people and Humanity must never forget what they fought and died for

[@Joel-tz8ct]

How old are you

[@arumba7345]

They died for nothing as humans are constantly shifting but conflict never changes.

[@johnl8428]

It can be your turn to do your country proud to fight and die for the defense of taiwan, if it really comes to war that so many of you are clamoring for

[@makiuo8675]

For the one who from taiwan, a reality show if US attack china military first, otherwise china without any possible to attack US, but that TV show with not catch one's eye , in fact taiwan is part of china , mostly taiwanese will stand with china not US , US will not got any benefit. in fact china govement absolutely not topple down at future , that war will cause the world will not go on the good way , that's why US will not interfere that and also no reason interfere,most of taiwansese belive they are part of china. in fact taiwan is part of china on constitution of taiwan govement. Taiwan's economic was closeness with China ,and 2.7million taiwanese was living china, foreign trade was more then 50% to china, that's why taiwanese will help china and we still do that at moment.

[@ogi5699]

@@arumba7345 ​ nah. If I had to die In any war, it would be in the European theatre of ww2. Germany was trying for literal world occupation and racist supremacy. Most wars are kind of BS. Taiwan and Ukraine are grey areas imo, likewise, many other wars are grey areas.

[@hungnguyen-tr4cn]

Ukraine mistake is to believe Russia will not attack and Ukraine should alert and get military ready for a invasion in first place

[@lindagonzalez5513]

Nah, Ukraine’s mistake was to trust the US ! The US uses other countries to fight proxy wars to fill the pockets of the military industrial complex .

[@royc888]

I hope Maverick, Goose and Iceman will help protect Taiwan's skies when war with China happens

[@shawnxl2419]

Maverick is old and a cult, goose is dead and Iceman has cancer. So when the war breaks out, it's more likely you will be send there.

[@lktan224]

when the days come , all of them need the aid of a walking stick to walk. can they stand all the G forces. 🤣

[@monipenny408]

I heard Tom Cruise just joined Top Gun 2 programme, US will surely win.

[@tailung9841]

The USA doesn't protect anybody. The USA ruins lives.

[@Jamier-wk9fu]

Whats the board game called or how to get the wooden cards

[@bhigh82]

I'll take a 12yr old who plays command and conquer any day over these plebs.

[@DannyChean]

This is the dumbest war game I had seen.

[@oberleutnant4013]

Fully agreed. China will do everything not to pull USA or Japan into the war. Also China will have similar or better air supremacy as Russia has in Ukraine. And unlike Ukraine Taiwan cannot be resupplied by allied nations after the war has started without supporting nations participating in that war.

[@arcs4243]

I am truly worried, if these guys are considered our think tanks on this matter. These are not experts, they have no idea what a real strategy looks like.

[@Dept246]

No way China attacks Japan or Guam. After seeing what happened in Ukraine don’t think China wants an invasion of Taiwan either. An blockade and a bombing of Taiwan would get Taiwan leaders back to the bargaining table.

[@bayonetbrant]

how many have you seen?

[@shawnlee4584]

@@oberleutnant4013 correct! They have no clue what they were talking about…these guys are really funny 😆

[@zachgamr5475]

It's interesting they fail to mentiion India. The Quad has been meeting in force lately and I have huge doubts India would not want to square away their border with China if not exploit Beijing's turned backs to them and go straight for Tibet.

[@brightlight3520]

India would act. Japan would act. But so would Russia , North Korea and China. And thus South Korea would be pulled in right away too.

[@zachgamr5475]

@@brightlight3520 Exactly, I can understand why they would want to roleplay a game of the key actors but I find any real scenario would be a lot more complex and involve many more countries making moves.

[@derekh9209]

@@brightlight3520 I doubt that NK and Russia will act. The former doesn't have money and will to help China. The latter will hold grudges over China's inaction during Ukraine invasion. IF China were losing, Russia might even invade China from the north to 'help' US, just like USSR took 4 islands from Japan at the end of WWII.

[@justice_crash2521]

@@brightlight3520 EZ WW3

[@nighthawk4298]

Lol if india enter into war with china Pakistan also will enter into the war boom ww3 😂

[@happymemories_videography]

If Haiwai is attacked, then that is a sign of Chinese aggression on US Soil, which leads to only one outcome which is the total defeat of China by US forces just like how Japan lost WWII.

[@gpappas5833]

We are a nation of complete sociopaths

[@TonytheTaiwaneseTurtle]

There are some comments questioning whether PLA can be as effective as in the simulation, but this looks more like a stress test scenario: the US forces are initially dispersed, US can only call for limited allies, and perfect coordination of air and amphibious operation of PLA.

[@zhangsen]

但是这场压力测试是没有意义的 台湾不是一个国家 是中国的省份 这是国际公认 美国总喜欢把精力 金钱 花在这些没有意义的事情上 而愚蠢的美国人民 还觉得他们的政府的举动 多正义 不过我能理解 毕竟美国只有200年的历史 还很幼稚 西方总觉得自己是世界 其实只是科技水平 但在文化上 真的弱爆了 中国第一看向西方 看到了马其顿和波斯 那时候我们在春秋战国时期 中国第二次看向西方 看到了罗马帝国 那时候我们叫汉 中国 第三次看向西方时 看到了裂开的罗马帝国 正好我们也裂开了 中国第四次看向西方 看到了萨珊和拜占庭 和更加裂开的欧洲 而我们 统一了 叫唐 中国第五次看向西方 拜占庭还在 英国和法国这两小子也出生了 哦还有个一点也不神圣的罗马 而我们叫宋 中国第六次看向西方 没啥变化 不过欧洲人被蒙古欺负的挺惨 我们也挺惨 不过最后是一家人了 那时候我们叫元 中国第七次看向西方 看到一个叫奥斯曼的帝国 听说欧洲人被打的挺惨 哦对了 传言他们是从中国北方被打跑的突厥人 那时候我们叫明 中国第八次看向西方 发现你们欧洲人 玩起了黑科技 搞工业了 德国这小子也出来了 那时候我们叫清 这次让你们西方人教育了 中国第九次看向西方 就是现在 没黑科技了吧? 该回归正常了 小屁孩们 希望中国第十次 看向西方时 你们还在!

[@Madame702]

US fast attack subs are going to town if they attack. They will take out any ship that go into Taiwan straights.

[@davidc2072]

@@zhangsen China looks west for the 10th time and US and Taiwan take away all their chips like with Huawei. China goes back to the Stone Age since they can only copy others. Last Chinese invention was gunpowder.

[@zannrebel1217]

@@zhangsen Better hope China is still a country then, so they can look a tenth time🤣

[@alexlawson6768]

since china hit the us first i think nato would be involved after that

[@davidcrockett8865]

Great exercise. We need to fast forward our alliance building and preparations. Not having PPP was a strategic mistake

[@trungnguyen2097]

Leave Free or Die Taiwan. I have lived with Communism and suffered. Fight for your Freedom and your children.

[@0utlawactual363]

Red team is not the brightest here… take these people’s opinion with a grain of salt.

[@wimpymcsteel4458]

The Blue Team apparently forgot the big lesson of 9/11. When the twin towers were attacked, that activated Article 5 of Nato, and Nato was involved in the response from that day forward. A pre-emptive attack by China on Guam and US assets in Japan would do the same thing. While that probably would not have changed the actions on the ground in the area, it dramatically escallates the conflict, and economic response around the world.

[@user-nf9xc7ww7m]

Notice that article 5 is very selective and has only been honored when the US was attacked, ignoring the provocations that preceded it. provocations can de-select article 5. Even killing a foreign national in their country (eg Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc) would make article 5 not automatic. The us got it though because they are the biggest player and can do the mafia move: "you should vote for article 5. Would be a shame if we inadvertently sanctioned you as a supporter of terrorism," etc

[@stex477]

@@user-nf9xc7ww7m Attcking Guam, Japan or even south korea is never an option to China. Please ignore these imagnation by the people sit around the table. All I hear is that because these people think China Will attack Taiwan, US should shoot first lol. What a logic!

[@zoka7108]

Read NATO article 6

[@frederickjones2483]

Well taiwan isn't part of NATO so there's your answer

[@matthewjohnson6600]

An attack on any US base or in Guam is a direct attack on the United States. NATO would be obligated in that case. If I was China, I’d be very concerned about attacks coming from the west from NATO forces. I don’t think it would take too much convincing for India to take an active role there.

[@achmadyazir1039]

This is quite sick. What is the matter with Americans?

[@ruoyuli4091]

mainstream media is under the control of NEO-CONs and NEO-Liberals

[@lindagonzalez5513]

I agree with you 💯 % ! They are trying to manufacture consent for war with the American public this is their ploy ! We all need to stand up and say no war ! No sending US troops to die to fill the pockets of the military industrial complex ! No to using our tax payer money for war ! We need to take care of the American ppl and fix our infrastructure!

[@stevencher9968]

US has and will be the main cause of war in the world. These white supremacists think that they of own the right to meddle in every country's internal affairs and politics. They behave as the self appointed savior which in fact is the demon that will bring WW3.

[@thomaslau1214]

America must has its way.

[@ec6133]

China is the one who wants to start all this.. but blame the us instead..

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

The US Marines recently purchased Iron Dome from Israel. Why don’t we give it to Taiwan?

[@user-ew2pw2kq7d]

my question is how did they create the small cubes that has the military vehicles coz im also trying to do this lol

[@jogiunico4702]

If you have an island and want to defend it. What you need: 1. A sea mine belt of thousands of sea mines around your island. No one will reach your island by ship. 2. Air defense with intelligent defense systems and drones and the reduction of landing opportunities for helicopters and aircraft. 3. Tunnel systems and underground structures for the protection of important resources. That is the basis of the defense.

[@slammerw3]

Nice ideas. They should also have long range cruise missiles. So the enemy will know there will be a painful retaliation. Additionally use ballistic missiles to target tunnels, train tracks bridges and other military infrastructure.

[@donsullivan6199]

Yes then in tree months the island would starve to death.

[@ahhahchuang5926]

@@donsullivan6199 Embargo and sabotage Taiwan for period .No ship enter the harbor and oil and gas. No water coming from Fukien Province.

[@kimeli]

then how would it import and export in peace time?

[@elsieschmaltz6754]

Ignoring war doesn't prevent war.Being prepared to protect.

[@rickjames18]

I agree, which is why I get annoyed when people complain about the US military budget despite the protection that budget buys.

[@Thestuffonmainstreet]

It absolutely does

[@monipenny408]

@JZ's Best Friend Where are the Romans now?

[@francesjunedeala8115]

How about considering American will attack Chinese bases, airfield and ports? Your only considering defense, this is war. Take offense is the best defense....

[@aftiger9276]

It's laughable watching them show China flying bombers over South Korea to hit Japan. So much for taking these analyst seriously, they forget that US has a large military in South Korea. No where did they even try to hit the US bases there but left them alone to hit Japan which is much further.

[@harindersingh7040]

What a waste of time. Felt like watching a kid show. 😂

[@helifanodobezanozi7689]

Lol! But you not only watched, but commented, which increased MSNBC's revenue!!!!

[@optimusprime4443]

But u still watched the whole thing didn't you

[@harindersingh7040]

@@helifanodobezanozi7689 I agree but didn’t watch whole,

[@aburden8580]

@@helifanodobezanozi7689 Do you think your comment is constructive and intelligent? Do you enjoy real life, face to face conversation? Should any of us consider revenue? This is a place where different people from around the world can meet. Helifano-go to the library. Stay there.

[@helifanodobezanozi7689]

@@aburden8580 The point is, when you comment on a KZbin video, positive or negative, you boost its visibility. So rather than complaining, the best course of action is NOT to post. (Even a "thumbs down" helps the poster. If you are disappointed, then don't feed the algorithm! Otherwise you are putting it in front of more people. And yes to all of your questions. You should be very concerned with anyone you financially empower! This (KZbin) is actually a commercial enterprise, not a public discussion hall. LOL!!!

[@pondeify]

what a disgusting show - encouraging the public to think this is a game when infact so many innocent people would die.

[@tancheehua2016]

Let's face the reality. US military may still be formidable but stands no chances in South China sea. China missiles are unlike before, it can shoots up to 1000km not to say about their hypersonic missiles which the US has no way to stop. Do you think US will wants to risk it's carrier near them?? Do you think US is willing to sacrifice for Taiwan?? I honestly doubts so.

[@ianmoffet5080]

Maybe but we are drastically uping our hypersonic missiles defense. Not to mention in this scenario the second we get attacked NATO is involved. In the South China Sea our Navy is miles ahead, especially in conjunction with our allies. There are some variables in these scenarios that aren’t accounted for

[@anticommyalwaysbarker82]

We absolutely will. Most Americans hate the CCP and comunism. Even lefty Biden said we would help them. I think it's for sure a ww3 scenario, with total destruction of China and N Korea being the result. Korea is finally reunited and China becomes a nationalist led government.

[@Andrew-BDK]

You can’t compare Afghanistan war with This conflict.

[@parveltstone8214]

Taiwan would likely have more or less a month if warning before china launch an invasion fleet since it would be very difficult to hidden such a large assembly of ships and logistics behind it all, would likely alert everyone especially after Ukraine

[@hughmungus2760]

What if china makes an assembly of that many ships a yearly thing?

[@Juho221]

@@hughmungus2760 That would be likely. Just like it's an everyday thing now that Chinese fighter jets go to Taiwanese airspace

[@lambertlum1087]

@@hughmungus2760 A yearly assembly of a fleet on the scale of D-Day? No one is going to load a million troops on ships for a yearly assembly. if such a fleet assembles, it is for one purpose, and that is the invasion of Taiwan.

[@edwardcardozo8325]

@@hughmungus2760 that would be too much giving the fact that all PLA soldiers are single-son

[@davidmoss2576]

Even if China told Taiwan the time, date, and location of attack they could not stop the outcome. The price of reunification is never too high to the Chinese so there is no way for them to lose. It would be 1 month maybe 6 weeks max.

[@_x__q]

Brought to you by Lockheed Martin.

[@chaselee86]

Can they put this game online? I want to play it.

[@rhou568]

Why are you talking about deterrence and war only? Why are you not letting Taiwan and China negotiate peaceful resolution INTERNALLY? You are only thinking of US interest but not that of any other countries. One factor you have not taken into consideration is that China doesn’t care how many people would sacrifice to achieve its reunification goal. How many American lives are you willing to weigh in?

[@googlemademedoit806]

I feel like the people saying "Oh China would never strike Guam or Japan first" are the same people who said "Putin would never invade Ukraine". The point of Wargaming is to think about what would happen under these different kinds of scenarios. The Blue team's initial thought process is very much in line with current US thinking. The Red team went for an all-in scenario. You have to think about these things to calibrate an appropriate posture ahead of time. The fact people don't understand this is wild. Hope for the Best, expect the worst.

[@qzhang25]

Did Putin attack. NATO countries? If not, why China want to attack USA & Japan?

[@itzpro5951]

Japan and Guam are not like Ukraine

[@googlemademedoit806]

@@itzpro5951 On the contrary I think you are missing the root of the matter. It is irrelevant whether or not you think they would but if they could view it as a winning strategy. That is the only thing that controls who attacks what. The same reasons governed for the attack on Pearl Harbor or the attack on the Soviet Union by the Nazis. The fact you think they are different speaks to the narrow view most people take. If a strategy is viewed as a winning strategy or the most logical to achieve victory then people will take it. Thats the point of the exercise. In fact you see the thinking occur in the video. The attack on Japan is done with the thinking Japan would enter anyways so better to attack now while you can maximize damage to achieve your goals. My point bringing up people thinking Putin would not attack is very simple. They dismissed it outright instead of preparing such a scenario. To think such a Wargame scenario is impossible ironically causes it to become possible. This is because you allow it as a viable strategy as you didn't bother creating a deterrence policy around it. You can not dismiss it and must plan for it.

[@The_Crazy_Monkey75]

Preparing for the worst is a good idea, but is highly unlikely to happen and unrealistic. It's going to be Pearl Harbor all over again. The "China would not strike first against Guam or Japan'' is actually a more realistic scenario and is not comparable to "Putin would not invade Ukraine" scenario. You have to consider the Superpower/superior state vs. a smaller state comparison. The "China would not strike first against Guam/Japan" scenario is actually comparable and based on "Putin will never attack a NATO state directly" scenario. It's Putin's way of preventing NATO from directly intervening with the war in Ukraine. China will certainly take this into account as well. The US strategic ambiguity against Taiwan is advantageous for allies during peacetime, making China think twice about attacking Taiwan. However, this ambiguity will be on China's advantage if they decide to risk it and attack Taiwan because the allies will now be left to think twice if they will risk an all-out-war with China. Pre-emptively attacking the US in Guam/Japan will almost certainly draw the US and even Japan and Australia into the war and this is the total opposite of what China wants.

[@DZ-hh5dw]

When you're so brainwashed that you start to question your own brainwasher

[@madeinbih1]

Taiwan has been preparing for this last 75 years. Let that sink in.

[@bigheadrhino]

But so has China…

[@Robert-xn3dc]

​@@bigheadrhino Sounds like when you see the turtles fight in the nature documentaries.

[@DSandy111]

Taiwan should give every person a rifle.

[@san209nha9]

@@DSandy111 "every person a rifle" won't work nowadays, it is fatal to the ordinary people. Ukrainian army rejected 90% volunteer foreigners who didn't have battle field experience. Build more bunkers like Switzerland and surveillance camera network for the major cities Acquire or produce more robot soldiers, UAV, remote control machine guns and anti-tank launchers, etc Teach people how to fly drone, with bottles of wine.

[@donderstorm1845]

taiwan has barely prepared at all actually. their conscripts have poor morale and equipment, and they barely train for a chinese invasion scenario. taiwan alone has no chance at winning. they are quantitatively and qualitatively much weaker than the PLA. that goes for every part of their military, whether you're talking the navy, air force, army, missiles, etc. everything relies on the US to defend taiwan. in 2022 i'd say the US would defend taiwan. in 2032 or 2042, i'm not so sure.

[@noijinpeed]

The old grandmother was thirsty for war.

[@majorplonquer156]

Good grief. These EXPERTS are so clever they can't even pronounce the President of China's name. How clever is that?

[@stevedavenport1202]

Well, the big difference between Taiwan vs Vietnam/Afghanistan is that Vietnam and Afghanistan had indigenous forces that were actively seeking to expell the USA and had contiguous land borders with continental Asia where fresh supplies could be smuggled in and troops could regroup. In this case, the populatuon of Taiwan would be 100% opposed to the Chinese occupation and would actively see to expel the Chinese.

[@lagrangewei]

have you actually see the poll in Taiwan. while Taiwan people prefer to be selfruled, when ask if they would fight or surrender, the majority choose surrender, they just want to get on with their lives. Taiwan isn't fighting a foreign invader like vietnam or afghanistan did, they are fighting people with political difference, so it more like the union vs confed, and when the confed army fall, the resistance end quickly. but yes you are right about the inability for foreign forces to smuggle supply and weapon into taiwan. taiwan is far harder to intervene and help than afghanistan.

[@tsng2281]

@@lagrangewei Nope, that's not really true. It's a very inaccurate statement to say that all Taiwanese will still view the Mainland Chinese as the "same race, same nation" and will still 'stand in solidarity' with them --- when the same group of people are actually soldiers on the CCP's side invading the island and potentially killing local citizens.

[@lagrangewei]

@@tsng2281 what you said is not what I said. what I said is they will rather surrender then to fight. it has nothing to do with how they view nationalism. for example I am sure majority of afghan don't believe in the taliban, that didn't stop them from surrendering, that is the point.

[@gnoglyr7798]

@@lagrangewei As a 3rd party, I don’t support either side but some of your claims are far fetched. To begin, polling results sound great until a war actually starts. Attitudes shift quickly. Look to the Swedish and Finns on neutrality. In Finland, there was >30% public support for joining NATO in January. By May, that number was 76%. Sweden with centuries of neutrality, had now more people supporting NATO membership than those against in the same period. The Germans who were against weapons export and oil bans. Swiss who were against sanctions. The large number of Ukrainians in the East supporting Russia. All of these switched sides in less than 2 months. Everyone thinks they are peaceful until the first bombs land. When your house is burning, your family scared, injured or dead, when you see the streets you grew up in burning and collapsing - attitudes change and they change fast. Not to surrendering but taking up arms. While I’m not saying the Taiwanese will definitely fight, I do think one should take polling data with a grain of salt - especially in times of war. Also, most polls only asked for a yes/no response to “would you fight”. It did not ask about “fight or surrender”. There is a fundamental difference between the poll’s results and what you are claiming. Saying no to fighting does not mean they will surrender. You then claim that the Taiwanese won’t resist for long because China isn’t a “foreign invader” and move on to compare it with the American civil war. Firstly, yes it is true that during the civil war the North and South were not that different. But China today and Taiwan have significantly different political systems, education, rights, access to information etc and this difference has spanned multiple generations. The same generations that will be most involved during the potential conflict. To say the 2 situations are comparable would be quite a stretch. A China Taiwan conflict would bear more resemblance to Nazi Europe vs UK in 1940 or France vs UK during the Napoleonic era. A channel apart, different political systems, one newly prospering etc. Furthermore, looking back at recent Chinese history, the claim of a short resistance is entirely debatable. The KMT and CCP fought for decades both on the Mainland and in Taiwan. The CCP conducted guerrilla warfare for many years even after losing multiple major battles but they never surrendered. While I’m again not saying the Taiwanese would do this today, I don’t think it can be said that a war will definitely be short simply due to it being of “political differences”. Political wars can similarly stretch on for decades as seen by the many civil wars throughout history that continue even till this day in parts of Africa and Asia.

[@lagrangewei]

@@gnoglyr7798 i speak their language, i spoken to them, i share the same min and hakka blood, i know what they really think. alot of the time, people just look at what the media tell them and they think people who know are being "far fetch", as if the media that has never spend time showing what taiwan really is will give you a better interesting than those who has walk the ground. you can't know a place unless you go there yourself, this is so for taiwan, this is so for china, this is so for any place. the reason I speak out is because there is such a big disconnect with people outside asia view taiwan and how taiwan actually see it. if you can't speak the language, and all the report and finding you know of taiwan is in english, written by people who has an agenda to promote english position on the matter, do you really think you know what is "far fetch"? you talk about the history, but do you think the people of taiwan today actually care about that history? do they actually know anyone personally who is hurt by the war? the war is a distance memory for them. instead what the DPP talk about is how the NATIONALIST OPPRESS THEM. the fighting in taiwan politically is INTERNAL. WHITE TERROR as they call it is use by nationalist to accuse them of being COMMUNIST. and there is an entire process to rehabilitate those accuse of being communist as "patriot" of taiwan. so it is a complicated situation. the Taiwan government of today is not the same as that which fought the Communist on the mainland. your talking point I am very familiar with, but those are in the context of "china", but that is not what taiwan issue is. and really you are comparing china to nazi? germany was an expansionist, however china is a stability power in asia, this is why we propose RCEP, RCEP is not a china project, it started by ASEAN. unless you imply taiwan is the nazi. i really don't see how it is comparable. for 1 nazi vs uk were 2 world power. taiwan is not a world power. and no one in asia even recognsie taiwan as a country. whereas germany and uk are not only independent economies, they has alot of colonies/clientstate to fuel their warmachine, taiwan does not. do you know what taiwan really look like? CUBA. and seriously, the reason why taiwan people don't want to fight is because they know they cannot win. it just that simple. why do you think taiwan military is training how to evac the president from the island? because they know they will likely lose. the mindset of the leadership is completely different, whereas zelensky refuse to even leave kyiv after the war, tsai is already having her security practice how to get her out safely. I just don't see them fighting, if they want to fight they know they MUST PREPARE TO FIGHT, else it would be a slaughter. yet there is no preparation.

[@bneira75]

Very interesting, but I found it unrealistic that China would preemptively attack the United States in its own territory and also Japan. That would be reckless and the surest way to pull in the United States and its allies into the conflict. It would also give political cover to whomever is the President at that time to act. Without an attack on American soil, the public will be very skeptical of involving the Country in a far away war with China, a major power, to defend Taiwan. Recklessness is not the Chinese way, they are anything but reckless. The best way for China would be to defeat Taiwan in a week or two without attacking anyone else but giving a stern warning that intromission would mean war. Then present the World with a fait accompli. If Russians hadn't been so incompetent, they would have gotten away with the invasion of Ukraine before the rest of the World would have had the chance to intervene. The Chinese are aware of that.

[@jimmieraper5807]

You can see the Chinese being hostile like that that's really not how they do business but for most of history China is always a superpower so we're going to have to figure out how to deal with that

[@susanh.352]

How many of those people playing a board game actually have any military experience? Incredible.

[@wendigo63music55]

How many generals have military experience at the level they are currently employed? None - whenever they are successful, they get promoted. The military version of the Peter Principle.

[@michaelesq.atpcfii.9862]

that's quite a military expert panel! 😂😂😂

[@LazyPixcell]

a few key factors that are not considered in their scenario. 1. their scenario is a bit aggressive even for china most likely china will not invade guam or japan US bases. but very likely use a blockade of small ships - even including china's militia of FISHING BOATS as blockade. knowing that US forces might not directly fire a percieved civilian ships. 2. as of current. there are no present US FORCES in the philippines. Unless a aircraft carrier was deployed beforehand to preposition ships and planes. 3. any movement that china that is outside of its territory will be automatically be noticed and cause of alarm for US forces. If China moves a single ship close to japan or guam it will surely be noticed ahead of time.

[@AwesomeBlackDude]

I noticed you missed the best scenario that needs to be mentioned here, where are your evacuation plans for United State citizen?

[@charles8769]

Seeing bong bong in power its more likely the philippines stay out or even help china lowkey

[@bryanjackson8917]

Any hostile move by China - even blockading naval ports - would be seen by the US as an act of war and would mean that the US would immediately bring its full military strength to the defense of Taiwan. China does not want this to happen, so it will not undertake any such foolishness.

[@lumapas]

No u.s. forces here in the Philippines 😤

[@DeclinedMercy]

China's fishing fleet is a part of China's military, which is the only reason they've not ever been fired upon or seized by any of the nations whose waters they routinely plunder. You can't use civilians as a defensive shield in conflict. Some of their Maritime Militia, which blend into the fishing fleet and act as though they are regular fishing ships until activated, actually carry mines and anti-aircraft weapons among other things, plus they can be used to support amphibious landings. By forming a blockade at the command of the PLN with active military hidden amongst them, they would be demonstrating that they are a willing military target. They'll be given a chance to surrender if they don't strike first, but America will absolutely fire upon them.

[@michaelpaddy6021]

These moves doesn't take in consideration that Taiwan will also defend itself.

[@wimpymcsteel4458]

Although it was not stated, I think it did. That was why China only had a foothold on the island by the end of day 3, and the President of Taiwan was still ruling the country.

[@mikenekosama4426]

@@wimpymcsteel4458 No mention was made of how many invading Chinese ships would be wiped out by US/Taiwanese/Australian forces during a marine invasion? Who knows, India might even join in on the fun.

[@khabibnurmagomedov9707]

@@mikenekosama4426 and also there is no mention how many us and Allied forces casualties.

[@davidmoss2576]

@@mikenekosama4426 Do you realize how far Australia is from Taiwan? No way Australia would have the guts to attack Chinese ships they would be at the bottom of the ocean. Not to mention that would give them a reason to invade Australia

[@mikenekosama4426]

@@standown2080 LOL! US nuclear subs are the quietest in the world. That's one reason why Australia dumped the French sub deal and opted for US subs. And Chinese subs are easily detected by Japanese sonar.

[@lscottmanifold9618]

Need a part 2

[@ZackEdwards1234]

This is very dumb. They mapped it out as if China would make all the terrible moves right from the start. They aren't stupid either and most likely wouldn't make any of these initial moves.

[@JD-yz4kr]

You got it!!!

[@DC_10]

The Red team is totally off. China will not strike US bases, Japan, and Australia first. They played too aggressively. The Red team only needs to focus on Taiwan alone and block any possible outside support trying to get to Taiwan. Don't forget China always consider Taiwan issue is an internal affair. It will be a civil war, not an international war.

[@martinbrain395]

Agree with you, Anti-Access/Area Denial

[@solosecondhandstore5087]

Agree with you. Playing aggressively so early in the game by attacking US bases, Japan, and Australia won't do them anything good.

[@andrewchan902]

Agree. Except China is also prepared to act if US start the offensive. Reason -The International countries are interfering with China's internal affair.Unlike US invading other countries, China is protecting its boundaries.

[@Dept246]

The funny thing is that the ROC constitution says that Taiwan is a part of China. But they also consider the communists in Beijing to be illegal.

[@DC_10]

@@andrewchan902 of course, preparing the worst scenario and hope for the best outcome

[@BelloBudo007]

I found this interesting. I've never listened-in on how people think and reason things out in such a way. Of course it could be miles away from reality. None the less I found how people thought things through, most revealing.

[@dimitrisgregan553]

This ppl are psychopaths in this channel

[@user-wi4cs8sg8q]

@一波未平 I think the Chinese people have left their culture behind and become brainwashed by the CCP.

[@youtubeoppressivecensorshi8047]

@一波未平 yes we Will and we will defend them . We won’t make same mistake in Ukraine. We will send a fleet to defeat and humiliate communist Chinese goverment

[@youtubeoppressivecensorshi8047]

@一波未平 no it has not. China had many famines in the last 100 years just like last 20 years there was any growth . The zero Covid policy is failing and back firing . Making china look like a nightmare to live in with no democracy or freedom of speech . I think democracies have better advantage over communist china

[@BrusselsSouth]

@一波未平 The west is doing more officially business with Taiwan now and dont care what China says.

[@EnigmaticDecay]

Zero chance China establishes a beach head that quickly.

[@BS-df8vp]

They don't realise they are losing in ukraine....wow

[@mradobo3935]

"Knock out punch on Guam" That strategy didn't work too well for Japan. It unified the west to enter the war. China hasn't been in a war for over 50 years. That kid needs to go back to playing Call of Duty..

[@stex477]

Nobody in China will think attacking any US base including Guam is an option. Don't be fooled by all these "games".

[@zoka7108]

Japan didn't have double the industrial capacity of the USA

[@mariposabay4006]

China isn't too smart but sometimes they think they are too smart.

[@user-wf2qg7ns5y]

Yeah no experience, even russia againt ukraine are failing

[@adambmorzen]

@@zoka7108 Japan didn’t have to fight the full force of multiple technologically advanced powers either. What industrial capacity advantage China has will be reduced to shreds by the time the war gets going. Like Japan in World War II it’s going to be China on one side and everybody else on the other

[@julientyt]

As a Taiwanese I was like WTF it's not a game but I get the appeal...

[@thomaswayne1852]

It’s a game to the players. Not so much to the locals. Genuinely wonder if you, Julien, want this “played out.”

[@pingq2081]

As a Taiwanese, you should know Taiwan is a province of China and Taiwan is ruled under the Republic of China.

[@mikenekosama4426]

@@pingq2081 LOL! Taiwan in NOT a "province", it IS the Republic of China!

[@____Wolf]

I get where you're coming from but I think you misunderstand the label. The term "war game" is really just used to distinguish the fact that this is purely a hypothetical scenario being discussed, and no one is actually giving out the orders in the scenario for real.

[@johnsullivan8673]

@@mikenekosama4426 You ever looked at the RoC national map?

[@Therealcommenterverified]

tell me what game is this.

[@Andrew-BDK]

You never plan to fail. You fail to plan

[@AJ___USA]

This was so fuckn fascinating to watch, I would pay just to watch retired Generals and experts play war games in different scenarios

[@devin8811]

Same.

[@KINGERTADC_yay]

WTF is this

[@d.adamson5769]

Honestly, its more like a Global FTW, said backwards.

[@Fatboylo1980]

I don’t know but I think this is wishful thinking. You mean to tell me if china preemptively struck Japan , Australia and the USA that china stands a chance?

[@eermirosemh8339]

A HOI4 match with low Tier players would give us a much more logical simulation. This looks like it's straight out of a generic Hollywood movie.

[@gedalyahreback2133]

MORE WAR GAME EPISODES PLEASE

[@wendigo63music55]

Game Of -Thrones- Missiles.

[@technoir2584]

Taiwan would look just like Ukraine. I hope they are building bunkers.

[@julientyt]

Taiwan has been preping since 1949, bunkers are everywhere.

[@siamcharm7904]

most will be annihilated in spite of bunkers.

[@ab9840]

Most of Ukraine is flat. Around 70% of Taiwan is mountainous. Mountainous areas are not easy to conquer.

[@technoir2584]

@@ab9840 Im all for Taiwan. You can see the devistation done to Ukraine with modern conventional weapons. Take the size of every city that Russia has destroyed in Ukraine and compare it to the size of Tiawan. One of these days the military exorcise is going to be an attack. Be ready!

[@ianchen8582]

Most of these ‘bunkers’ are just underground parking, I dunno how effective they will be against missile strikes

[@jfiles640]

taiwan is a country, not just a self goverened island.

[@alvaro6094]

World War II was not about taking another country's resources. It was about saving lives.